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Re: "Cuz he's black" -- A poem I heard that moved me and that I'd like to share with The Pub. [Re: Lynnch] 2
#18857365 - 09/18/13 10:33 AM (10 years, 6 months ago) |
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Everlong, qman, luvdemshrooms, qman, Gilgamesh18, zappaisgod, VivaLaMushie said: I'm white and privileged so I don't even attempt to understand what it's like to be a person of a different race.
My comment had nothing to do with understanding "what it's like to be a person of a different race." I simply commented on the fact that the author of the poem felt the need to mention Trayvon Martin as some sort of innocent child who was hunted down. It's a load of bullshit and discredits the work.
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Lynnch said: But my point is that rather than saying 'Huh, maybe growing up black in this country is difficult, I wonder what we could do to help those people', you all jump straight to finding excuses to say 'Fuck em, they deserve it, not my problem.'
I never said growing up black isn't difficult. It just so happens that I don't care about black boys who assault someone and get shot, nor do I think they should get some poetic mention like they were some innocent child. I don't care about thugs regardless of what color they are.
The poem goes on about how scared black youths should be, when most of the violence they face is from each other.
Fuck, you know what would happen to my pastey white ass if I walked through a ghetto in the city? I run a high risk of being shot, stabbed, and robbed just because the color of my skin.
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Re: "Cuz he's black" -- A poem I heard that moved me and that I'd like to share with The Pub. [Re: Patlal]
#18857372 - 09/18/13 10:35 AM (10 years, 6 months ago) |
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Patlal said: That was touching. That was the truth
Another foreigner opining on the US race situation.
Its very easy to have an opinion, your broadcast your problems around the world.
You think what you see on TV and read in the press has any bearing on reality? Oh you kidder, you. Hollywood and the press are completely invested in finding victims. If they can't find them they invent them. That is how the make their money.
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Re: "Cuz he's black" -- A poem I heard that moved me and that I'd like to share with The Pub. [Re: Lynnch] 2
#18857373 - 09/18/13 10:35 AM (10 years, 6 months ago) |
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Lynnch said: What I see is that we're barely one generation out from the time where the racists were forced, kicking and screaming, to treat people of color with equality. It's not difficult to understand that remnants of systemic racism still exist today.
But my point is that rather than saying 'Huh, maybe growing up black in this country is difficult, I wonder what we could do to help those people', you all jump straight to finding excuses to say 'Fuck em, they deserve it, not my problem.'
"you all jump straight to finding excuses to say "fuck em, they deserve it, not my problem."
You're making stuff up dude, where in this thread did anyone say any of those things?
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Re: "Cuz he's black" -- A poem I heard that moved me and that I'd like to share with The Pub. [Re: Lynnch]
#18857378 - 09/18/13 10:37 AM (10 years, 6 months ago) |
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Lynnch said: What I see is that we're barely one generation out from the time where the racists were forced, kicking and screaming, to treat people of color with equality. It's not difficult to understand that remnants of systemic racism still exist today.
But my point is that rather than saying 'Huh, maybe growing up black in this country is difficult, I wonder what we could do to help those people', you all jump straight to finding excuses to say 'Fuck em, they deserve it, not my problem.'
Any time we try to help them it's taken as an admission of guilt. Welfare, food stamps and affirmative action have only deepened the racial divide and given complacency to people who might otherwise make something of themselves.
How do you recommend we help them? If the media stopped all portrayals of violent or materialistic black culture the black community would cry racist censorship. We can't force their fathers to stay with the family. You come in here criticizing everyone for not talking about solutions, yet you offer none of your own.
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Re: "Cuz he's black" -- A poem I heard that moved me and that I'd like to share with The Pub. [Re: qman]
#18857391 - 09/18/13 10:40 AM (10 years, 6 months ago) |
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im curious on your opinion on the issue, you made a statement earlier on that they should fear each other more than cops
and then you just rag on people for their opinions being wrong
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Re: "Cuz he's black" -- A poem I heard that moved me and that I'd like to share with The Pub. [Re: qman]
#18857398 - 09/18/13 10:44 AM (10 years, 6 months ago) |
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Re: "Cuz he's black" -- A poem I heard that moved me and that I'd like to share with The Pub. [Re: Envix]
#18857412 - 09/18/13 10:47 AM (10 years, 6 months ago) |
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fact: playing centuries old blame game dosnt benefit anyone, white or black
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Re: "Cuz he's black" -- A poem I heard that moved me and that I'd like to share with The Pub. [Re: RiderOnTheStorm]
#18857429 - 09/18/13 10:54 AM (10 years, 6 months ago) |
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RiderOnTheStorm said: Welfare, food stamps and affirmative action have only deepened the racial divide and given complacency to people who might otherwise make something of themselves.
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Unfounded nonsense. Welfare is what allowed my mom to start her own business rather than working minimum wage jobs to pay for our food. Welfare is what allowed me to focus on schoolwork and go to college rather than working at a young age and failing out of school. Welfare helps MANY people improve themselves because it frees up time and mental resources that would otherwise go towards basic survival. You're buying into the totally false ideal of the "welfare queen" that isn't based in reality aside from one or two shitty people - and there are shitty people who abuse EVERY possible humanitarian effort so it doesn't make sense to say we shouldn't help people because one or two people out of a sample size abuse the help.
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Re: "Cuz he's black" -- A poem I heard that moved me and that I'd like to share with The Pub. [Re: hidenseek1]
#18857443 - 09/18/13 11:00 AM (10 years, 6 months ago) |
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hidenseek1 said: fact: playing centuries old blame game dosnt benefit anyone, white or black
people have a long history of fucking each other over. its not a race thing, however i cant think of any other culture of people who have enslaved and sold their own people
oh wait, america has done that!
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Re: "Cuz he's black" -- A poem I heard that moved me and that I'd like to share with The Pub. [Re: RiderOnTheStorm]
#18857447 - 09/18/13 11:03 AM (10 years, 6 months ago) |
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Everlong said: My comment had nothing to do with understanding "what it's like to be a person of a different race." I simply commented on the fact that the author of the poem felt the need to mention Trayvon Martin as some sort of innocent child who was hunted down. It's a load of bullshit and discredits the work.
The fact that you think that that one line mention of a name discredits the work shows how little you understand of the black community's perspective on that event, and how little you understood of the larger point of the piece. It's not about how much fear they should feel. It's in a way saying that much of the problems are caused by that fear.
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RiderOnTheStorm said: You come in here criticizing everyone for not talking about solutions, yet you offer none of your own.
I explained my point. The first step to a solution is admitting there's a problem. I think it would go a long way if we changed the perception that 'this is just the way it is'.
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Re: "Cuz he's black" -- A poem I heard that moved me and that I'd like to share with The Pub. [Re: JoieDeVivre]
#18857472 - 09/18/13 11:10 AM (10 years, 6 months ago) |
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RiderOnTheStorm said: Welfare, food stamps and affirmative action have only deepened the racial divide and given complacency to people who might otherwise make something of themselves.
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Unfounded nonsense. Welfare is what allowed my mom to start her own business rather than working minimum wage jobs to pay for our food. Welfare is what allowed me to focus on schoolwork and go to college rather than working at a young age and failing out of school. Welfare helps MANY people improve themselves because it frees up time and mental resources that would otherwise go towards basic survival. You're buying into the totally false ideal of the "welfare queen" that isn't based in reality aside from one or two shitty people - and there are shitty people who abuse EVERY possible humanitarian effort so it doesn't make sense to say we shouldn't help people because one or two people out of a sample size abuse the help.
Joie if I was given free money beacause I was poor you think I would start a business hell no I would sit around and get drunk. I believe the majority of humans are lazy and the best way to correct this human defect is to make it so that working brings in more money not welfare.
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Re: "Cuz he's black" -- A poem I heard that moved me and that I'd like to share with The Pub. [Re: hidenseek1] 1
#18857498 - 09/18/13 11:16 AM (10 years, 6 months ago) |
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hidenseek1 said: im curious on your opinion on the issue, you made a statement earlier on that they should fear each other more than cops
and then you just rag on people for their opinions being wrong
The majority of the pain and inequality in the black culture is self inflicted, the failure of black leadership is not acknowledging the real problem. Until they admit to themselves that much of their destiny is in their own hands, and instead of always blaming others for their ill fate, they take self responsibility for their behavior, until that happens nothing will improve.
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Re: "Cuz he's black" -- A poem I heard that moved me and that I'd like to share with The Pub. [Re: Lynnch] 3
#18857508 - 09/18/13 11:17 AM (10 years, 6 months ago) |
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What about the white peoples ' community and how they felt when that baseball player was shot dead by two black boys and a white guy because they were "bored"?
Much different story though, Trayvon was shot because he attacked Zimmerman. That white guy killed was out jogging.
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Re: "Cuz he's black" -- A poem I heard that moved me and that I'd like to share with The Pub. [Re: Envix]
#18857532 - 09/18/13 11:26 AM (10 years, 6 months ago) |
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hidenseek1 said: fact: playing centuries old blame game dosnt benefit anyone, white or black
people have a long history of fucking each other over. its not a race thing, however i cant think of any other culture of people who have enslaved and sold their own people
oh wait, america has done that!
if you consider different tribes of native the same people, they took slaves i believe
also back when people spoke latin(i think rome) the slave was part of the family, not sure where they got their slaves though
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Re: "Cuz he's black" -- A poem I heard that moved me and that I'd like to share with The Pub. [Re: JoieDeVivre] 2
#18857539 - 09/18/13 11:28 AM (10 years, 6 months ago) |
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RiderOnTheStorm said: Welfare, food stamps and affirmative action have only deepened the racial divide and given complacency to people who might otherwise make something of themselves.
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Unfounded nonsense. Welfare is what allowed my mom to start her own business rather than working minimum wage jobs to pay for our food. Welfare is what allowed me to focus on schoolwork and go to college rather than working at a young age and failing out of school. Welfare helps MANY people improve themselves because it frees up time and mental resources that would otherwise go towards basic survival. You're buying into the totally false ideal of the "welfare queen" that isn't based in reality aside from one or two shitty people - and there are shitty people who abuse EVERY possible humanitarian effort so it doesn't make sense to say we shouldn't help people because one or two people out of a sample size abuse the help.
ORLY? Are you going to deny that there are millions of welfare queens with several children, by choice, by different absent fathers? One or two? Methinks it is you living in a fantasyland. Long term permanent wards of the state producing progeny that is also likely to be long term wards of the state.
Did you repay the money?
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Re: "Cuz he's black" -- A poem I heard that moved me and that I'd like to share with The Pub. [Re: zappaisgod] 2
#18857545 - 09/18/13 11:29 AM (10 years, 6 months ago) |
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I know many college students who go to school and have jobs......
Too many people suck the teets of the government.
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Re: "Cuz he's black" -- A poem I heard that moved me and that I'd like to share with The Pub. [Re: JoieDeVivre] 2
#18857551 - 09/18/13 11:30 AM (10 years, 6 months ago) |
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RiderOnTheStorm said: Welfare, food stamps and affirmative action have only deepened the racial divide and given complacency to people who might otherwise make something of themselves.
Unfounded nonsense. Welfare is what allowed my mom to start her own business rather than working minimum wage jobs to pay for our food. Welfare is what allowed me to focus on schoolwork and go to college rather than working at a young age and failing out of school. Welfare helps MANY people improve themselves because it frees up time and mental resources that would otherwise go towards basic survival. You're buying into the totally false ideal of the "welfare queen" that isn't based in reality aside from one or two shitty people - and there are shitty people who abuse EVERY possible humanitarian effort so it doesn't make sense to say we shouldn't help people because one or two people out of a sample size abuse the help.
That's a joke.
I've worked with a lot of low income homebuyers and renters over the years and have seen how common it is to abuse every facet of government assistance possible to boost one's income while selling drugs, using drugs, working for cash on the side, or just not working at all. It was the most frequent form of income I saw listed on credit applications for years.
I know a single black male who gets $6,000 a month from the government in the form of disability checks (not a veteran or actually disabled), Rx prescriptions he sells, food stamps, welfare checks for his kids, and unemployment insurance as often as possible. He then sells weed on top of this.
I don't think you can reasonably deny that there is a prevalent subculture especially found within the black community that takes pride in and feels entitled to cheating government assistance programs, if you can it's only because you've spent too much time sitting in classrooms and not enough time sitting in offices. My assertion was only that welfare, handouts and affirmative action are largely detrimental to the advancement of our black communities, not that everyone who uses welfare is scamming the system or that welfare should be abolished entirely.
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Re: "Cuz he's black" -- A poem I heard that moved me and that I'd like to share with The Pub. [Re: Lynnch]
#18857554 - 09/18/13 11:30 AM (10 years, 6 months ago) |
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Everlong said: My comment had nothing to do with understanding "what it's like to be a person of a different race." I simply commented on the fact that the author of the poem felt the need to mention Trayvon Martin as some sort of innocent child who was hunted down. It's a load of bullshit and discredits the work.
The fact that you think that that one line mention of a name discredits the work shows how little you understand of the black community's perspective on that event, and how little you understood of the larger point of the piece. It's not about how much fear they should feel. It's in a way saying that much of the problems are caused by that fear.
It completely discredits it, and if you don't see that then you are blind.
I feel like you aren't really replying to my actual posts, rather just going "Nu-uh!" without providing any real substance. I believe I understand the black community's perspective on the Trayvon Martin incident pretty well.
Where did I suggest the poem is about how much fear a black youth should feel? Because I didn't.
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Re: "Cuz he's black" -- A poem I heard that moved me and that I'd like to share with The Pub. [Re: zappaisgod]
#18857555 - 09/18/13 11:30 AM (10 years, 6 months ago) |
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So tired of hearing about fucking Trayvon
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Re: "Cuz he's black" -- A poem I heard that moved me and that I'd like to share with The Pub. [Re: Gilgamesh18]
#18857561 - 09/18/13 11:31 AM (10 years, 6 months ago) |
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B_BOY said: blacks used to have slaves also, but i am sure you wouldn't know that considering you bias opinion on white people.
False it was white corruption that caused this Africa was a UTOPIA before the white man came and raped the land
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