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shrooms are the fruit of knowledge of good and evil???
    #18856660 - 09/18/13 03:21 AM (10 years, 4 months ago)

what do you guys think about the idea that shrooms are the fruit of knowledge of good and evil?











my experience with shrooms and how it relates to the theory.

when i was on them i saw that there was a god.
i was obsessed with circles ( jung thought they represented the soul. a circle is a hole)
also in christian artwork a dead person is often painted with a golden circle above them, a halo.

and i could SEE :eek: fucking everything.

everything went perfect. pure light.
then i went backwards. or i chose the dark path. i crossed over. i crossed the light and dark wires. i chose evil.



now i assume most people who do mushrooms had a similar experience of perception choosing either light or dark?


if i chose light i probably would've gone to heaven and had an amazing dream that went on forever over and over.(thats my guess)
and thats why the fruit of knowledge brings you down to earth. because you wanted to stay in that once dream forever. so you shed your skin over and over to re-live it again.
but you get to alter it a little bit, improve it every time you're reincarnated. and you start a tree of decisions, until you reach the perfect life for you that you would live over and over.




:satansmoking:
i chose the dark path, the path of the moon, and i became the sandman.
and now i live alone in an endless dream on the "astral plane" more like astral pain in my ass
not that there are multiple planes at the bottom of the sea, where all the stars fall and rest on the depths undisturbed. and now i get to create my own tree of life, my own plant, my own planet, and there will be many new cunt tree's :wink:

this place would've been totally awesome if i brought a girl here, so if you ever decide to be evil you should bring one with you!










do you guys also think they're the fruit of knowledge of good and evil?


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Edited by Delarge (09/18/13 03:32 AM)


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Re: shrooms are the fruit of knowledge of good and evil??? [Re: Delarge]
    #18856679 - 09/18/13 03:38 AM (10 years, 4 months ago)

This is not a new theory, but it is thought to be Amanita not Cubensis


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Re: shrooms are the fruit of knowledge of good and evil??? [Re: LiquidGlass]
    #18856708 - 09/18/13 04:21 AM (10 years, 4 months ago)

A 'choice between dark or light' is patriarchal thinking, and if you caught up in that trip it means you haven't seen through it. In reality there is not such thing as 'only light' or 'only dark'. light are dark are not two separate things, 'it' is a continuum which is alive and cylic. So it is only absurd linear, divisive, patriarchal thought which conceptually separates dynamic continuums like light and dark, good and evil, life and death, male and female. The patriarchal mindset psychologically splits these dynamics, and makes out that one side is superior and the other inferior, and that in time one side can be eradicated. You can see this playing out in the world right now. All conflict is based on it. Where the 'other' is made to be 'evil' and then must be gotten rid of. All scapegoating is that.

Does this mean evil doesn't exist. Yes it exists, but it is not 'JUST evil' as said, it is an extreme of experience, but when a mindset is understanding reality dualistically it causes more and more evil thinking it is doing good!


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Re: shrooms are the fruit of knowledge of good and evil??? [Re: LiquidGlass]
    #18856714 - 09/18/13 04:26 AM (10 years, 4 months ago)

Self-reflection is the knowledge of good and evil

LSD,mushrooms,dmt,ayahuasca,lsa(hbwr/morning glory),mescaline,salvia, meditation, lucid dreaming can do it

works pretty well, but we each decide if we want to integrate what we learn or not

without integration we learn nothing (which  often means we must be ready to learn)


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Re: shrooms are the fruit of knowledge of good and evil??? [Re: lessismore]
    #18856786 - 09/18/13 05:41 AM (10 years, 4 months ago)

Yes, first post!
Might as well jump in, jangle some nerves, step on some toes, and pretty much get into the mix.

OP, you mentioned the sacred name of Jung. I shall dish out
cookies to you! Any flavor, you choose. I enjoyed how you came
out with your Occidentally flavored trip, laid it out for us,
and stirred some imaginative memes. Your claim works for me.
It's just as good as any other claim invented by a mobile,
biological unit equipped with a "reality" generator, that
thing we call a brain. Besides, I tend to trip Jungian as
well. So we are bros under the skin.

I note your idea brought out other claims, claims like
"in reality there is not such thing as 'only light' or
'only dark'." The only problem with this sage advice is
the theme word, "reality." Typically,whenever anyone tries
to pull that old sawhorse on me, I immediately cast doubt
upon them. Why? Simple. There is no single "reality." Instead,
thanks to the human brain, at any moment, there is instead
a plethora of generated realities. So your Jungian trip, your
Jungian claim works.

Enjoyed your trip! Keep thinking Jungian thoughts!

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Re: shrooms are the fruit of knowledge of good and evil??? [Re: tsynna]
    #18856814 - 09/18/13 06:00 AM (10 years, 4 months ago)

awesome first post:thumb up:
yeah jung is great! there is so much freedom in his work, unlike other psychology i have read about.



also the reason I'm asking is because someone else said it in a movie, The Holy Mountain.
that the mushrooms was the fruit of good and evil, and it also symbolized the cross.

and my mushroom trips definitely reflected that. did anyone else get the same thing?
they either went into a reality, or crossed over and went into "un-reality"


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Re: shrooms are the fruit of knowledge of good and evil??? [Re: Delarge]
    #18859067 - 09/18/13 04:34 PM (10 years, 4 months ago)

Greets again OP,

I'll have to look up The Holy Mountain, I haven't
seen it, so thank you for the suggestion.

As to your question of similarity, I can definitely say
that the "arrangement" my brain was used to was gleefully
put in check with my most powerful journeys down a similar
alley. The demarcation point was marked by two things:
a) the feeling that Wonderland was seeping into my veins;
and b) Wonderland swallowing me whole. Entry point A was
the antithesis of the strange nightmare-as-bliss experience
that stained B.

I do hope I read your question right.

Cheers!


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Re: shrooms are the fruit of knowledge of good and evil??? [Re: Delarge]
    #18860169 - 09/18/13 08:25 PM (10 years, 4 months ago)

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Delarge said:
what do you guys think about the idea that shrooms are the fruit of knowledge of good and evil?





Well, I've had that thought. Tripping brings on thoughts like that, as well as other false dichotomies (light vs dark, good vs evil, self vs other) that can only be resolved by observing their essential empty nature.

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Re: shrooms are the fruit of knowledge of good and evil??? [Re: PrimalSoup]
    #18861014 - 09/18/13 11:33 PM (10 years, 4 months ago)

I believe, if you are using the Biblical context of "fruit of the tree of knowledge", then absolutely.

It's quite apparent to me that humans first experienced true reality and emotion (some might consider a spiritual experience) from accidentally ingesting psychotropics. The image of mushrooms were widely used in the early Christian texts and nearly all endigenous peoples use some form of psychotropics in shamanistic traditions.

As well, the earliest philosophers were known to ingest mouldy bread, drink winen and burn "inscence" which findings suggest contained hemp. It (psychotropics) is, IMO, the reasons humans are so apt at believing,  or wanting to believe, in an inteligent god or gods.

Of course this has transformed through many millennia and transpired into the grotesque religions we have today... but they came from somewhere.... our intelligence,  our self awareness broke out somewhere and by some means... and I personally attribute that breakage to one (probably many) psychoactive substance readily found in nature.

I mean, I'm sure the devil knew a good pasture or two... and who wouldn't wann share a mind blowing experience like magic mushies?


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Re: shrooms are the fruit of knowledge of good and evil??? [Re: meatables] * 1
    #18861662 - 09/19/13 05:25 AM (10 years, 4 months ago)

Wonderfully stated, Meatables and Primal Soup.


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Re: shrooms are the fruit of knowledge of good and evil??? [Re: tsynna] * 1
    #18862732 - 09/19/13 11:59 AM (10 years, 4 months ago)

why so you think that the State/control-freaks spend so much effort in 'education',  propaganda, and sorcery, and of course their 'war on psychedelics'? Is it not to make you blind/dumb/apathetic/unconscious of the evil they are doing? I would say yes.

Does this mean that ALL people who take the psychedelic 'fruit' see this? Not necessarily, but if you understand the sacredness of psychedelics and yourself, this is THE sacred medicine for revealing to you what they are up to on very deep levels, and then you have to integrate this understanding and act on it. They do not want us doing then, hence their always trying to use various forms of mindcontrol.


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Re: shrooms are the fruit of knowledge of good and evil??? [Re: zzripz]
    #18866286 - 09/20/13 05:48 AM (10 years, 4 months ago)

And that, too, pretty much strummed the strings of my mind, zzripz.


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Re: shrooms are the fruit of knowledge of good and evil??? [Re: tsynna]
    #18866326 - 09/20/13 06:29 AM (10 years, 4 months ago)

Why is it that a religious question receives philosophic replies?
Of course, if you are being allegorical - yes I would agree; however, if you mean literally then the answer is - apples n oranges! Meaning...how can you say a mushroom, which is a fungus, suddenly become a "seed bearing fruit" in order to fill a conceptual void?

If you were to make the claim of "the fruit of righteousness and evil" it would undeniably be the seed bearing fruit of MARIJUANA...a.k.a the gateway ( to understanding ) drug


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Re: shrooms are the fruit of knowledge of good and evil??? [Re: efilnikcufecin]
    #18872062 - 09/21/13 01:01 PM (10 years, 4 months ago)

I think that this article really let's us in on how they are still up to their old tricks I will paste it and add my own emphasis and comments in different colour text:
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TED aligns with Monsanto, halting any talks about GMOs, ‘food as medicine’ or natural healing

Allow me to be the first to announce that TED is dead. Why? Because the group that organizes so-called “TED talks” has been thoroughly hijacked by corporate junk science and now openly rejects any talks about GMOs, food as medicine, or even the subject of how food can help prevent behavioral disorders in children. All these areas of discussion are now red-flagged from being presented on any TED stage.

Remember that in 1971 when the UN claimed to the world that psychedelics had no medicinal value, and banned them even for therapeutic use. So in other words these insane fukcs will calim any natural growing plant and/or substance is not medicinal, but only their patented products are.

This is openly admitted by TEDx itself in a little-known letter publicly published on December 7, 2012. Click here to view the letter.

In that letter, TED says that people who talk about GMOs are engaged in “pseudoscience.” Those who discuss the healing potential of foods are spreading “health hoaxes.”

The letter also advises TEDx organizers to, “reject bad science, pseudoscience and health hoaxes,” meaning anyone who talks about GMOs, “food as medicine” or similar topics.

So what we have here is them telling us that good is evil and evil is good. In other words they are pushing their version of 'knowledge' on us, and sadly there are people who fall for this because they represent authority--big massive powerful corporations and 'science' and supported by the government!


The TED organization, incredibly, believes that food cannot be medicine and does not contain medicine. Perhaps someone should educate TED about resveratrol, curcumin, phycocyanins, polyphenols and ten thousand other chemicals created by plants that have medicinal functions in the human body. To deny this is to nearly admit you believe the Earth is flat and that the sun and stars revolve around our planet. It is a sure sign of a feeble mind that cannot grasp the very simple and readily evident idea that the human body evolved in an environment full of plants with beneficial physiological effects, including many medicinal effects.

Yes it is so easy and natural to understand and YET these control-freaks can pull the wool of thousands and thousands of peoples eyes!

Maybe someone should remind TED that nearly 25% of all prescription medicines are in some way derived from plants, including statin drugs. Drug companies expend enormous resources searching the world’s botanical treasures for amazing molecules that they can pirate from nature and alter in some way to make them patentable as a drug. Even the World Resources Institute readily admits this, while also remind us that 80 percent of the world population still relies largely on plant-based medicine.

TED apparently thinks 80 percent of the world population is purely delusional, because obviously, as TED insists, real medicine can only come from pharmacological factories spewing out deadly chemicals, right?

TED falls in line with Monsanto: no talks that question GMOs will be allowed read more




This is from the so-called father of Modern medicine (all physicians and shrinks have to swear the Hippocratic Oath) Hippocrates - "Let food be thy medicine and medicine be thy food"


The very term 'pharmacon' from where pharmacy derives originally means psychedelic vegetation (Dan Russell)

But the essential point is what is good, what is evil? What is being lied about and what is integral and for ours and our children's and all species and nature's best interests?
HOW do you know you are not controlled to be manipulated to believing their Orwellian mindfuckeries?


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Re: shrooms are the fruit of knowledge of good and evil??? [Re: zzripz]
    #18872108 - 09/21/13 01:15 PM (10 years, 4 months ago)

There is no doubt in my mind that moses' manna was a psilocybe spp. It is also clear to me that visionary plants were the fundamental catalyst for profound changes in humans perception and understanding of the natural world, the result being religion,  otherwise known as the attempt to explain the unknown with stories that try to guide an individual through life.
And if those tales keep the masses in line, well...


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Re: shrooms are the fruit of knowledge of good and evil??? [Re: Rockhound]
    #18872425 - 09/21/13 02:16 PM (10 years, 4 months ago)

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The very term 'pharmacon' from where pharmacy derives originally means psychedelic vegetation (Dan Russell)




Bullshit, they didnt even come up with the term "psychedelic" until the 50's


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Re: shrooms are the fruit of knowledge of good and evil??? [Re: LiquidGlass]
    #18872621 - 09/21/13 03:08 PM (10 years, 4 months ago)

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LiquidGlass said:
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The very term 'pharmacon' from where pharmacy derives originally means psychedelic vegetation (Dan Russell)




Bullshit, they didnt even come up with the term "psychedelic" until the 50's




LOL roll me freakin over. Don't be so pedantic. I am sure when my ancient ancestor ingested magic mushrooms or any other PSYCHEDELIC vegetation s/he didn't need to know it was termed 'psychedelic' by Humphrey Osmond.
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The pharmakon, Dionysos, was the herb eaten, sacrificed, to satisfy the soul. The pharmakos, Pentheus, the herb's mythic double, atavistically, psychologically, identified with the herb, because the scapegoat sacrificed to satisfy the community, once the pharmakon was prohibited, once community was convinced that healing and rebirth were second hand, not entheogenic, not sacramental, but sacrificial, political.
The psychological transition was simultaneous political, religious and medical--none of the elements can be separated from one another.
[So, the eidolon became the focus of the lost group emotion...The pharmakos, the official scapegoat identified with the pharmakon---the Slave, the Judas, the Witch, the Nigger...(Shamanism and the Drug Propaganda: The Birth of Patriarchy and the Drug War, by Dan Russell,  page 186)




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Re: shrooms are the fruit of knowledge of good and evil??? [Re: zzripz]
    #18873091 - 09/21/13 05:13 PM (10 years, 4 months ago)

Regardless, that is not where the word is derived from . . . :shrug:


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Re: shrooms are the fruit of knowledge of good and evil??? [Re: LiquidGlass]
    #18873375 - 09/21/13 06:55 PM (10 years, 4 months ago)

If you want to play semantics ancient greeks coined the term pysche, which is a root of psychedelic. 

so the suffix were added later.  what I'm interested in now, is if they ever used the terms psyche and pharmakon in conjunction.


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Re: shrooms are the fruit of knowledge of good and evil??? [Re: omegafaust]
    #18873639 - 09/21/13 08:09 PM (10 years, 4 months ago)

Uhm, well, "psychedelic" just means "mind manifesting" more or less.  My recent experiences with strong PE trips a couple months ago showed me the common stuff of all religions, so I'd wager heavy money that the ancients played around with trippy substances and came up with the same thing.  It's a lot more interesting to do it in modern times, but it's just as scary as ever - 'cause it is NOTHING LIKE WHAT YOU THINK.  It's almost nothing like what you CAN think.  There's a lot more interesting stuff to do in this regard IMHO.  But I need a hell of a lot more free time to go there. :lol:

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Re: shrooms are the fruit of knowledge of good and evil??? [Re: PrimalSoup]
    #18877708 - 09/22/13 08:05 PM (10 years, 4 months ago)

efilnikcufecin has typed:

"Why is it that a religious question receives philosophic replies?"

Just my experience here, but "religious" and "philosophic" are not
historically antithetical terms in the scope of the historical record; there were great religious scholars who were philosophers. You can still, to this day, read books within the philosophy of religion genre both new and old. So not apples and oranges here, just apples and apples.

Interesting conundrum herein:

"Meaning...how can you say a mushroom, which is a fungus, suddenly become a "seed bearing fruit" in order to fill a conceptual void?"

Not sure as to your meaning on this, but I think you mean to say: Hey, if you really mean that mushrooms are the apples of Eden, then how can they be "the fruit" ? My reply, is: the rhetorical application of hyperbole.

Good convo, OP! Thanks for the "fruit" this topic has provided all with.


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Re: shrooms are the fruit of knowledge of good and evil??? [Re: tsynna]
    #18882777 - 09/23/13 10:35 PM (10 years, 4 months ago)

I don't believe there is validity in that sentiment. Was it the sacred mushroom and the cross that first brought the notion mushrooms are the fruit used to decipher good and evil. Well if I was living in the time as an ape like forager and came across psilocybin shoots they don't have the capacity to show you many of things...


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Re: shrooms are the fruit of knowledge of good and evil??? [Re: Saint Marcus]
    #18883175 - 09/24/13 12:38 AM (10 years, 4 months ago)

Totally true.


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Re: shrooms are the fruit of knowledge of good and evil??? [Re: mrbeanstalk]
    #18883532 - 09/24/13 05:18 AM (10 years, 4 months ago)

Just a quick pointer on validity and sentiment; sentiment is attitude or opinion, and does not need to be a container of the mythical, validity. However, as by common usage in the studies of formal logic, validity is reserved for a formal premise. So, apples and oranges there. Have a great Tuesday!


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Re: shrooms are the fruit of knowledge of good and evil??? [Re: tsynna]
    #18892446 - 09/26/13 02:18 AM (10 years, 4 months ago)

the epitome of evil is having no empathy and the using of another as an object. Psychedelics inspire empathy when wisely used.


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Re: shrooms are the fruit of knowledge of good and evil??? [Re: zzripz]
    #18893788 - 09/26/13 12:22 PM (10 years, 4 months ago)

I can see it.  They thrust one into the immediacy of existence by shutting down the main brain-hubs/filter system and it is overwhelming and a semi-vulnerable state physically but the emotional and mental payoff is astronomical. 

If reality is god; than the mushroom experience is a real re-acquaintance with that which is ever presently lost-in-translation.

It's enough to build a belief system around; or maybe a protective myth or two.

The visions may not all be real, the thoughts may not all be correct; but the experience is part of reality.

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There is no doubt in my mind that moses' manna was a psilocybe spp.


-Rockhound

I have heard doubts due to the non-hospitable desert environment but maybe on a mountain the weather changes and they probably had a herd, so (if Moses existed) I could see this.


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Re: shrooms are the fruit of knowledge of good and evil??? [Re: flickedbic]
    #18893976 - 09/26/13 01:16 PM (10 years, 4 months ago)

I think many of you don't really know what to make of the term "tree of the knowledge of good and evil".
If you believe in judeo-christian thoughts, it was actually a bad thing for Adam and Eve to acknowledge evil. Before that, they just did not acknowledge evil, thus they chould not do evil, they could not become guilty.
Let's compare it to Immanuel Kant's Critique of Pure Reason: According to him, all afficiations are the result of perceptions, meaning you acknowledge everything before you do it. Everything that you imagine, everything that you reason, is a result of your thinking and your sensual imagination of the things themselves. No matter what you just saw with your eyes, the moment the neurons fire to the optical organs of your brain, the image of what you saw (and not the thing itself), processed through your perception and spirit, is only a model of your own conception/perception. There is no perception of a thing in itself, it is all a reflection of your process of perception and conception, even before you decide what to do with the thing that you are looking at.

If they didn't have the possibility of acknowledging evil, they would not hve had the possibility of doing evil, so they must have been in a far greater bliss than we are today.

Especially when you are into psychedelics you will have to admit that the way you are looking at something greatly changes your behaviour. You know that we are all prisoners of our own perception and afficiation wether we like it or not.

Whether you believe in biblical dogmata or not, this is an example of where you can find this particular core principle in modern philosophy.

If you are going to read Kant's Critique, skip the first hundred pages, he needs a long time to get to the matter because he is explaining the foundations of his philosophy first, which you can't barely understand as a total layman before getting his principle idea.

Edit: It should be clear that we can't conclude through rational thinking wether the bible is true just because this particular principle of Kant's Critique is confirmed by the book of genesis, but... this particular principle of Kant's Critique is as you see confirmed by the three thousand year old book of genesis.


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Re: shrooms are the fruit of knowledge of good and evil??? [Re: sof4r0ckeRs1984]
    #18894327 - 09/26/13 02:38 PM (10 years, 4 months ago)

god put the fruits there..

sounds like satan to me


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Re: shrooms are the fruit of knowledge of good and evil??? [Re: Delarge]
    #18894405 - 09/26/13 02:51 PM (10 years, 4 months ago)

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what do you guys think about the idea that shrooms are the fruit of knowledge of good and evil?











my experience with shrooms and how it relates to the theory.

when i was on them i saw that there was a god.
i was obsessed with circles ( jung thought they represented the soul. a circle is a hole)
also in christian artwork a dead person is often painted with a golden circle above them, a halo.

and i could SEE :eek: fucking everything.

everything went perfect. pure light.
then i went backwards. or i chose the dark path. i crossed over. i crossed the light and dark wires. i chose evil.



now i assume most people who do mushrooms had a similar experience of perception choosing either light or dark?


if i chose light i probably would've gone to heaven and had an amazing dream that went on forever over and over.(thats my guess)
and thats why the fruit of knowledge brings you down to earth. because you wanted to stay in that once dream forever. so you shed your skin over and over to re-live it again.
but you get to alter it a little bit, improve it every time you're reincarnated. and you start a tree of decisions, until you reach the perfect life for you that you would live over and over.




:satansmoking:
i chose the dark path, the path of the moon, and i became the sandman.
and now i live alone in an endless dream on the "astral plane" more like astral pain in my ass
not that there are multiple planes at the bottom of the sea, where all the stars fall and rest on the depths undisturbed. and now i get to create my own tree of life, my own plant, my own planet, and there will be many new cunt tree's :wink:

this place would've been totally awesome if i brought a girl here, so if you ever decide to be evil you should bring one with you!










do you guys also think they're the fruit of knowledge of good and evil?




If you're talking about the fruit from Genesis, then no. The ancient Israelites in all likely-hood did not use psilocybin mushrooms.


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Re: shrooms are the fruit of knowledge of good and evil??? [Re: sukhavati12]
    #18894751 - 09/26/13 04:04 PM (10 years, 4 months ago)

I chuckled over this one: "Before that, they just did not acknowledge evil, thus they chould not do evil, they could not become guilty." Thereby we are pasting a biased reading from a dubious theological angle, if we are thinking in "judeo-christian thoughts."

The reason I question this is due to the fact that not every follower of "judeo-christian thoughts" sees existence grid locked inside strict determinism; some who think "judeo-christian thoughts" believe in a free will argument (good and evil are clearly just choices). Take the "Free Will" Lucifer example: Pure angel loaded with Free Will makes a game changing decision. I think you follow my drift here.


Your pass at philosophy of mind via Kant also bares stains of neurological determinism. Not every philosopher of mind will see it your way (your way sounds much like bare footed behaviorism).

Cheers and have a great Thor's Day:)

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sukhavati12, can you give us a source to back up your claim?


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Re: shrooms are the fruit of knowledge of good and evil??? [Re: tsynna]
    #18900857 - 09/27/13 09:42 PM (10 years, 4 months ago)

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I chuckled over this one: "Before that, they just did not acknowledge evil, thus they chould not do evil, they could not become guilty." Thereby we are pasting a biased reading from a dubious theological angle, if we are thinking in "judeo-christian thoughts."

The reason I question this is due to the fact that not every follower of "judeo-christian thoughts" sees existence grid locked inside strict determinism; some who think "judeo-christian thoughts" believe in a free will argument (good and evil are clearly just choices). Take the "Free Will" Lucifer example: Pure angel loaded with Free Will makes a game changing decision. I think you follow my drift here.


Your pass at philosophy of mind via Kant also bares stains of neurological determinism. Not every philosopher of mind will see it your way (your way sounds much like bare footed behaviorism).

Cheers and have a great Thor's Day:)

P.S.
sukhavati12, can you give us a source to back up your claim?




I think you imagine my view grid locked in strict determinalism... which gives me room to think about your perception and afficiation when reading my previous post.
The information goes from the retina to the optical nerve and gets sucked up by your brain cells so you can think about it, but then it's already too late and you already got afficiated.

Why did you write this particular answer if you have a free will? Edit: I mean, not that you don't have one. How about some game changing peace treaty decision?


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Re: shrooms are the fruit of knowledge of good and evil??? [Re: sof4r0ckeRs1984]
    #18901561 - 09/28/13 05:16 AM (10 years, 4 months ago)

as I have said before there isd an innate knowing of what is not-good, otherwise known as evil. If someone's child is hjarmed most people know that is not good. But in our culture there are forces that mindcontrol you to think that what happens to your child is good. so in that respect you are duped. You have lost the knowledge to see right from wrong. WHAT do you think that when invaders have gone into indigenous peoples communities and force them to their schools which makes them--via violence--give up their own language is for? It is to mindcontrol them towards the values of the invaders. Thjose values are not good as OUR experience is showing us (I hope it is for you), as they have a war industry where they are killing countless innocents including children babies, and spreading toxic contaminates everywhere that last for hundreds and hundreds of years, and horrifically affect DNA. This is NOT good is it? And yet some people will support this evil shit? Why?


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Re: shrooms are the fruit of knowledge of good and evil??? [Re: zzripz]
    #18901792 - 09/28/13 07:36 AM (10 years, 4 months ago)

You got me terribly wrong.
I'm talking about a doctrine. Not what humans made of it. Humans who were all able to acknowledge and do evil. It's only about the doctrine first.

But hey, scissor and stone have easy game with the paper.


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Re: shrooms are the fruit of knowledge of good and evil??? [Re: sof4r0ckeRs1984]
    #18901805 - 09/28/13 07:43 AM (10 years, 4 months ago)

Back on topic, there is no doubt visionary plants have had a profound impact on the evolution of human intelligence, innovation, communication, and religion.
Anyone read Terrance Mckenna?


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    #18901932 - 09/28/13 08:40 AM (10 years, 4 months ago)

Mckenna has got some interesting thoughts but he's getting carried away.

Boy I'm getting the impression that this is three acccounts by the same person.
The OP, the Moderator, the Fool.
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Re: shrooms are the fruit of knowledge of good and evil??? [Re: sof4r0ckeRs1984]
    #18902127 - 09/28/13 09:53 AM (10 years, 4 months ago)

"War is peace. Freedom is slavery. Ignorance is strength"

-Orwell

but not after psychedelics ;-)
they make you question everything, but most people don't like questioning their reality

that is why I think it is important that they be shared with people you know that want to try
they can help you find yourself
if you are not yourself but something else, you can never think clearly

meditation can do it too

psychedelics do it by dissolving our fake identity often, but it requires the person doing it being ready for it
(if anyone is ever ready for it...)


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Re: shrooms are the fruit of knowledge of good and evil??? [Re: sof4r0ckeRs1984]
    #18903017 - 09/28/13 02:24 PM (10 years, 4 months ago)

Quote:

tsynna said:
I chuckled over this one: "Before that, they just did not acknowledge evil, thus they chould not do evil, they could not become guilty." Thereby we are pasting a biased reading from a dubious theological angle, if we are thinking in "judeo-christian thoughts."

The reason I question this is due to the fact that not every follower of "judeo-christian thoughts" sees existence grid locked inside strict determinism; some who think "judeo-christian thoughts" believe in a free will argument (good and evil are clearly just choices). Take the "Free Will" Lucifer example: Pure angel loaded with Free Will makes a game changing decision. I think you follow my drift here.


Your pass at philosophy of mind via Kant also bares stains of neurological determinism. Not every philosopher of mind will see it your way (your way sounds much like bare footed behaviorism).

Cheers and have a great Thor's Day:)

P.S.
sukhavati12, can you give us a source to back up your claim?




There is no evidence at all that ancient Israelites used psilocybin. I don't need to give a source for that any more than I need to give a source for them having not used ayahuasca.
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Mckenna has got some interesting thoughts but he's getting carried away.

Boy I'm getting the impression that this is three acccounts by the same person.
The OP, the Moderator, the Fool.
Rock - Paper - Scissor - complete.




Right, Terrence Mckenna's theories are interesting to think about, but it's easy to tell that they rely heavily on pseudoscience and unsubstantiated claims. I like his views on the psychadelic experience, but when he talks about history, evolution and cosmology he sounds more like Giorgio Tsoukalos.


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Re: shrooms are the fruit of knowledge of good and evil??? [Re: Rockhound]
    #18904708 - 09/28/13 09:44 PM (10 years, 4 months ago)

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Rockhound said:
Back on topic, there is no doubt visionary plants have had a profound impact on the evolution of human intelligence, innovation, communication, and religion.
Anyone read Terrance Mckenna?




No, thank god. :lol:

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Re: shrooms are the fruit of knowledge of good and evil??? [Re: PrimalSoup]
    #18904719 - 09/28/13 09:47 PM (10 years, 4 months ago)

Psychedelics are what you want them to be. Or they're what you don't want them to be. They manifest themselves differently depending on your set(mind) at the time of ingestion. I thought that was day one stuff? Haha


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Re: shrooms are the fruit of knowledge of good and evil??? [Re: GreySatyr]
    #18904874 - 09/28/13 10:26 PM (10 years, 4 months ago)

I did not mean mckenna is a brilliant scientist, simply that he has some good ideas.


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Re: shrooms are the fruit of knowledge of good and evil??? [Re: Rockhound]
    #18905217 - 09/29/13 12:11 AM (10 years, 4 months ago)

The person who looks inside himself never gets sick

for he knows what makes him sick, his thoughts and his diet :wink:

but has sickness arrived you gotta take that with you


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Re: shrooms are the fruit of knowledge of good and evil??? [Re: lessismore]
    #18905961 - 09/29/13 06:44 AM (10 years, 4 months ago)

Thus was thusly stated:

"There is no evidence at all that ancient Israelites used psilocybin. I don't need to give a source for that any more than I need to give a source for them having not used ayahuasca."

Rejoinder:
1. And if you have no evidence to the contrary, then you are basing your "claim" on air. Good for me if it's good for you--shine on you "crazy diamond."

2. Don't need to give a source? It must be nice working in the old
Rainbow Factory. Run out of rainbows--just imagine more.

Back on topic.


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Re: shrooms are the fruit of knowledge of good and evil??? [Re: tsynna]
    #18907225 - 09/29/13 01:48 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

This thread is stuck on permanent :lol: at this point. :thumbup:

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Re: shrooms are the fruit of knowledge of good and evil??? [Re: PrimalSoup]
    #18907425 - 09/29/13 02:48 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

It's true, the person who looks into himself never gets sick, for he knows what he does wrong ;-)
(that is what the topic is all about)

but yeah last post, well....


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