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azur
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misidentified mushrooms
#18853413 - 09/17/13 12:46 PM (10 years, 4 months ago) |
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http://blogs.phoenixnewtimes.com/valleyfever/2013/09/arizona_highways_magazine_acci.php
Arizona Highways magazine won't be hitting the newsstands this month, after it wrongly identified a certain mushroom as being edible.Let's just say that while most people wouldn't consider the fly agaric mushroom to be edible, hippies at a Phish concert might.Turns out, the mushroom has some psychoactive properties, and can cause unwanted physical effects, too.Arizona Highways -- which is well-regarded for its photography -- posted the following note on its website:PHOENIX (September 13, 2013) - Arizona Highways magazine today announced its October 2013 issue features an item on page 13, in which the fly agaric mushroom is identified as being edible. The fly agaric mushroom should not be consumed in its raw form because of its unpredictable psychotropic and physical effects."This issue will not be sold on newsstands, and we are alerting our subscribers to the mistake. We regret the error," said Win Holden, publisher of Arizona Highways magazine.FYI, there are other mushrooms from the same genus that are considered deadly, so you might not want to utilize this new knowledge to go tripping. These aren't "magic mushrooms" in the traditional sense, as they don't contain any psilocybin.To check out just what kind of effects one might get from consuming these mushrooms, though, we consulted Erowid, the nonprofit psychoactive drug resource.Here's an excerpt of one account:Arriving back into the street a dark border had appeared around my vision and it seemed to be threatening to engulf the edges of my swirling world. I realized that my kaleidoscopic wonder land was under attack and I marched forward in a positive manner focusing on the deep lush colors of the gray stones of the sidewalk, keeping the darkness at bay with three deep breaths and a single focus. My body was trying to shut down all auxiliary and non-vital functions (like consciousness) and focus on staying alive. But I'd be dammed if I were going to miss this! All of a sudden I was aware of a huge pounding in my chest like a hundred dogs were jumping inside me and trying desperately to escape! With every third pound of the dogs, the black border was getting nearer until after 9 pounds I was winking out of existence and appearing some distance up the street. POUND! I'm by a phone box. POUND! I'm holding on to a traffic light. POUND! I'm standing in the middle of the street and there's a guy who's going by in a car looking at me and he says, "Are you ok mate?" I stare at him with my mouth open and wonder why he's asking that. POUND! I'm sitting on a bus bench and feeling like millions of fishhooks are hooked into every part of me and are pulling in all directions. POUND! I struggle to the bathroom of the food court I'm in and look at myself in the mirror. A frightened ghost stares back at me. Drenched in sweat. Skin white and waxen. Eyes yellow, rimmed and shot with red. Pupils going huge, tiny, huge, tiny, huge, tiny. And when they would go tiny all sight would gray over. I went to the toilet and pissed a long stream of reddish brown piss that smelt like the forest just after the rain, when the sun has come out and is shining down hot on everything. I then fell to the floor feeling so strange... it was like being encased in pine needles and a huge evil poisonous cow pat which was killing me, while my entire body had been filled with some sort of witchy brew made of poisonous toadstools and Earl Grey tea. I vomited huge amounts of lumpy witch brew into the dunny and fell to the tiles, my last thought before surrendering myself to the inky embrace of the void, being a future conversation my mother was having with someone who asked "Where's Weston?" her answer being "Oh, he died on the floor of a bathroom from an overdose of poisonous toadstools."Um, yeah -- it sounds like you might want to consider not eating those.
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azur
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Re: misidentified mushrooms [Re: azur]
#18853420 - 09/17/13 12:48 PM (10 years, 4 months ago) |
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Sorry for not breaking into paragraphs. On my phone and it's acting wacky. Good read though. Click the link. Nice to see they mentioned erowid
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Re: misidentified mushrooms [Re: azur]
#18853464 - 09/17/13 01:00 PM (10 years, 4 months ago) |
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A interesting documentary about Amanita Muscaria.
I think it has been unfairly judged. But then again I recommend no one to use it. Firstly you have to find the right dose for yourself, which most likely will include a lot of puking with no real good effects. It surely isn't Magic Mushrooms, but that doesn't make it uninteresting.
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Re: misidentified mushrooms [Re: TripperLing]
#18853594 - 09/17/13 01:42 PM (10 years, 4 months ago) |
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not to defend phish-heads necessarily but I'm pretty sure they're mostly 'experienced' enough to not eat amanitas at a show.
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Re: misidentified mushrooms [Re: TripperLing]
#18853679 - 09/17/13 02:06 PM (10 years, 4 months ago) |
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Amanitas sounds more like a deleriant than a hallucinogen. No thanks.
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Re: misidentified mushrooms [Re: azur]
#18854374 - 09/17/13 04:41 PM (10 years, 4 months ago) |
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To go so far as to say they're "inedible" is pure bullshit.
There are ways of preparing them without having to die for a trip.
They also have few reported deaths.
pretty shitty article IMO
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yob
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Re: misidentified mushrooms [Re: Angel_Above]
#18854995 - 09/17/13 07:05 PM (10 years, 4 months ago) |
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Quote:
ToiletDuk said: Amanitas sounds more like a deleriant than a hallucinogen. No thanks.
Actutally it acts more like some Z-drugs such as zolpidem (ambien).
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Angel_Above said: To go so far as to say they're "inedible" is pure bullshit.
There are ways of preparing them without having to die for a trip.
They also have few reported deaths.
pretty shitty article IMO
Yep, it is traditionally eaten in some cultures as cuisine. Just gotta boil and drain it.
Also it is worth noting that in the experience they cited the guy consumed 10 caps.
Edited by yob (09/17/13 07:32 PM)
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Re: misidentified mushrooms [Re: yob]
#18863222 - 09/19/13 02:04 PM (10 years, 4 months ago) |
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These mushrooms has been known used by shamans in here north as a medicine. Also shamans has probably consume these to enter the realm of gods. I think they have used also psilocybin mushrooms. However, this can be eaten without effects by extracting the poison away with water. This mushroom is food in some parts of the world, these will dip to the water and add heat, then water will be discarded, then add new water and again discard the water and after few times these mushrooms are edible without poison.
Also as a old folk medicine this has been used for joint pain. Some shamans has been consumed these by what they are, some native shamans has eaten amanita muscaria mushrooms to reindeer's and then drink their urine to get effects without physical bad effects what reindeer liver destroy. Compound causing hallucinations will not break down and therefor urine from reindeer are psychoactive
This story about shamans give mushrooms to reindeer's and then collect the psychoactive urine are traditionally transfer from mouth to mouth story and therefor I don't have any proof has this been done by native people living north. However, in the past these has been commonly expensive and shamans has trade for example animals or food in case to get these mushrooms.. The fact that mammals urine are as psychoactive as mushroom dose is eaten are true cause it will not break in liver and comes out in urine without metabolism.. Only "bad stuff" of the mushrooms has been told as a folk story that shamans has extracted the good stuff from mushrooms drinking reindeer urine after reindeer has been consumed lots of amanita muscaria mushrooms and therefor liver has been metabolized the "bad compounds" away.
Only true story is these mushrooms in the pas has commonly used along native shamans in. Also I have heard stories of vikings eat these mushrooms to get in to berserk state of mind in war and there has some proof of that kind of using about this mushroom.
I know lots of stories about this mushroom in there north and there are only folk tradition way to tell story how to extract the goods from mushrooms using reindeer liver and then drink the urine of reindeer, but this argument doesn't have any solid proof.. It's only known that mammal who consume the these mushrooms has as potent urine as the dose of the amanita muscaria. But knowing ancient shamanism as tradition there and stories of the religions before church as get people to hold, I would not wonder shamans has been drink reindeer urine to get only one compound ingested. As nasty as it sounds, in fact reindeer urine isn't so bad for human to drink but I have no first hand experience or any kind of experience drinking urine, it makes me feel bad to even think about it.
But all over the north at russia, finland, sweden and norway, native shamans has been indeed consumed these amanita muscarias and in the past vikings has been consumed these to get berserk state of mind to kill in war. There is still arguments against vikings and their using this mushroom to get berserk mind at ancient warfare but it's possible.. These who say vikings has not consume these for berserk say it's impossible to fight when compounds effects to central nervous system.. However, effects to mind can be totally different and I don't question the fact that in the past this mushroom has been used to eat to get berserk in warfare.. I don't know the doses and possible no one knows for sure.. ..Lots of stories behind this beautiful mushroom and I have heard them since I was a child till modern day. Also the fact that native shamans has used psilocybin mushrooms is more likely cause liberty caps can be easily found from there where is reindeer's.. Possible even today natives can use liberty caps as sacrament but they refuse to talk about that cause of legal issues but I know some people who has been with them and seen they use liberty caps to get them in the good mood when meditating together... True or false about liberty caps, I don't know.. But amanita muscaria used by native shamans is fact and I have not heard about their deadly effects, only head that they trip is not fun and different from another psychedelics.
About making food from these mushrooms, I have heard it's japanese food. They just extract the psychoactive compounds away with water and use mushroom flesh.. In there north are used another mushroom what is deadly when consuming and get the poison away from it has been used this water extraction technique to make it edible, it has been even used today so I don't see why amanita muscaria cannot be used as edible.. However the process of extraction need to be done good to get rid of toxins.. I my country people use mushrooms commonly deadly as food after doing water extraction to get rid of poison... why not use same technique of extraction cannot be used to amanita muscaria and use mushroom as food?
Mushroom what used as food cause it's very good taste is Gyromitra esculenta. There is reports of deaths cause water extraction need to be done to get rid of cells killing poison. Even today this mushroom are eaten but daily consuming is not recommend cause after several extractions there can be still some poison left and it builds up to human system, but one meal of these delicious mushrooms are not deadly if it's proceed very good and with care and discarded the water extraction of toxins by repeating this several times before delicious mushroom are safe to eat.
Same tek I have heard japanese use to eat amanita muscaria mushrooms as food.. I don't know for sure but if more deadly mushrooms are eaten even today there, why not amanitas are used too as food by using simple water extraction and discard the water away several times to make mushroom non-toxic.. With toxins what are not water soluble, I would not even try to eat.
If deadly mushrooms are used to eat there as food, why same tek to remove poison from amanita muscaria cannot be done and say it's edible if right chef know's what they are doing when preparing amanita muscaria for food?
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i appreciate the effort but that cut/paste job hurt my head.
mmmm, piss!
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Re: misidentified mushrooms [Re: lurkmode]
#18874792 - 09/22/13 06:16 AM (10 years, 4 months ago) |
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i love how the post someone ODing as the average effects if you take and thats why its bad to do it. fucking dumb people i guess we shouldnt take vicodin because if you take 30 at once you start to turn blue and go into respiratory depression
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