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    #18849316 - 09/16/13 01:59 PM (10 years, 5 months ago)

I feel life, freedom, and happiness come from within. This is nothing new of course, and in this post I seek to offer nothing new...but to share with you a simple something, something that I have found.

I am sharing here because, despite the obvious dislike I have garnered since my arrival from many of you, I feel a sort of connection with all of you. I have shared my inner-most thoughts and beliefs with you, things I do not share with anyone...I came here claiming answers and to disrupt dogma..yours and my own, subconsciously perhaps, and I have come to realize that I have accomplished this within myself.


I had to go without for awhile, and while out I lost myself. When I went in, I found me. And I was so out.. I did not like what I found, but alas, I am here, and now that I have seen the truth of my condition, I can move forward. It is as simple as that.

Moving forward. Truth. Acceptance. Surrender.

Love.

Just thinking about it...My eyes feel tears.
What does Love want, but the best!

I sought the worst...I lived it, I was killing me!

The best deals with betterment.

Bettering the self that I have so degraded with drugs, self-destruction, self-defeat, fear and a deluded positivity amongst all horrors that had me near-death without even really realizing it. I saw, with clarity, several life paths...and I will choose which one I will go up. The path I was on was...a bad one, and also a maturing one.


Now, my wanderlust is overwhelming. We are always travelling, always changing. I want to direct it. I want to save myself, and...Now,


I feel something real. I feel this...feeling..I cannot quite describe it, but I know what it is. It feels better than anything, than it goes..but I know that it is there.


I have had this simple realization...and I had it awhile ago before being struck with what I now realize as "depression."

I have realized that I love myself...and that somewhere a long time I had forgotten what Love is.

It is simple.

Better yourself in Everything, and Everything will be better. Let yourself be flooded with feeling. Do not numb it out. Even if its horrible. Feel it out. Then own it.

Feel the feels.

We choose our destinies, there are many life paths all ending the same..with

the End.


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Re: Simplicity [Re: hTx] * 1
    #18849804 - 09/16/13 03:53 PM (10 years, 5 months ago)

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hTx said:
I feel life, freedom, and happiness come from within. This is nothing new of course, and in this post I seek to offer nothing new...but to share with you a simple something, something that I have found.

I am sharing here because, despite the obvious dislike I have garnered since my arrival from many of you, I feel a sort of connection with all of you. I have shared my inner-most thoughts and beliefs with you, things I do not share with anyone...I came here claiming answers and to disrupt dogma..yours and my own, subconsciously perhaps, and I have come to realize that I have accomplished this within myself.


I had to go without for awhile, and while out I lost myself. When I went in, I found me. And I was so out.. I did not like what I found, but alas, I am here, and now that I have seen the truth of my condition, I can move forward. It is as simple as that.

Moving forward. Truth. Acceptance. Surrender.

Love.

Just thinking about it...My eyes feel tears.
What does Love want, but the best!

I sought the worst...I lived it, I was killing me!

The best deals with betterment.

Bettering the self that I have so degraded with drugs, self-destruction, self-defeat, fear and a deluded positivity amongst all horrors that had me near-death without even really realizing it. I saw, with clarity, several life paths...and I will choose which one I will go up. The path I was on was...a bad one, and also a maturing one.


Now, my wanderlust is overwhelming. We are always travelling, always changing. I want to direct it. I want to save myself, and...Now,


I feel something real. I feel this...feeling..I cannot quite describe it, but I know what it is. It feels better than anything, than it goes..but I know that it is there.


I have had this simple realization...and I had it awhile ago before being struck with what I now realize as "depression."

I have realized that I love myself...and that somewhere a long time I had forgotten what Love is.

It is simple.

Better yourself in Everything, and Everything will be better. Let yourself be flooded with feeling. Do not numb it out. Even if its horrible. Feel it out. Then own it.

Feel the feels.

We choose our destinies, there are many life paths all ending the same..with

the End.




I find it interesting that you use so many words to describe such an easily communicated concept and label it as simplicity

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Re: Simplicity [Re: Repertoire89]
    #18849884 - 09/16/13 04:06 PM (10 years, 5 months ago)

I'm just showing off.

:smirk:

Could do without the first two paragraphs but ferk it, I'm all feelsy atm and I've missed yous guys.
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Re: Simplicity [Re: hTx]
    #18849911 - 09/16/13 04:11 PM (10 years, 5 months ago)

I find it interesting that you use the words "easily communicated concept" and than find it interesting that I labeled it as simplicity.

:tongue2:

This whole simple thing is getting complicated...

the evolution of the thread!


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Re: Simplicity [Re: Repertoire89] * 1
    #18849928 - 09/16/13 04:14 PM (10 years, 5 months ago)

I find it interesting that you find it interesting, to chastise the Op for using too many words. His simplicity whether false or not, does not imply prose, therefore why do you feel the need to bring up this superfluous point.

As if you had any insight that was not based on the surface, then you would realize, as I do, that the Op is not merely telling a story, or making a statement, he is performing a type of therapy. I sense that this thread is more beneficial for the Op than it is for those reading it, although it could help those who are experiencing a similar situation.

And as for your statement, one of the most universal paradoxes is that simplicity is extremely complex. As, for example, we can look at everything in the observable universe, and we pick one object for this study. A simple object, let your imagination picture. Then this simple concept has other concepts entwined into it, like a fractal, layers upon layers, so much so, that it is nigh on impossible for humans to comprehend it as it is, in all its forms. Therefore simple is not always simply that.

This is off topic, and a weak example, but nonetheless, I use it to expose your weakness of thought. Why are there so many people, jumping the gun without giving any consideration of what they are talking about.

Anyway, I reproach you, not to offend you, but for you to think.

And Op, well done on seeing the light. I wish you the best.


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Re: Simplicity [Re: oropal]
    #18850025 - 09/16/13 04:33 PM (10 years, 5 months ago)

Thank you oropal. yourapal :wink:

"And as for your statement, one of the most universal paradoxes is that simplicity is extremely complex. As, for example, we can look at everything in the observable universe, and we pick one object for this study. A simple object, let your imagination picture. Then this simple concept has other concepts entwined into it, like a fractal, layers upon layers, so much so, that it is nigh on impossible for humans to comprehend it as it is, in all its forms. Therefore simple is not always simply that."


This.

I was just about to make a thread on the multi-dimensional aspect of language...(multi-dimensional may not be the write word hehe) but I think that this will suffice.

Coded language?

What is that? Its strange that a single sentence or word can have many different meanings at once for many different perceptions...and that life too can be like this.

And just when it gets complicated, it gets simple again.

:takingnotes:

I am a strange loop indeed.


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    #18850075 - 09/16/13 04:42 PM (10 years, 5 months ago)

Yeah you should look at the study of linguistics and semantics. I am sure you will find alot of interesting material. Here is website which you can use to download free e - books on a host of topics. Including the aforementioned.  aaaaarg.org


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    #18850113 - 09/16/13 04:48 PM (10 years, 5 months ago)

You should also look at the concept of ying and yang, a bit of a cliche, but if you really attempt to go deep into its meaning, it may be very interesting. Opposites, harmonies etc etc Very interesting field of thought, if you tackle it deeply, and not with a superficial glance, as most will.

Again good luck, and good night.


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Re: Simplicity [Re: oropal]
    #18850163 - 09/16/13 04:57 PM (10 years, 5 months ago)

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oropal said:
I find it interesting that you find it interesting, to chastise the Op for using too many words. His simplicity whether false or not, does not imply prose, therefore why do you feel the need to bring up this superfluous point.

As if you had any insight that was not based on the surface, then you would realize, as I do, that the Op is not merely telling a story, or making a statement, he is performing a type of therapy. I sense that this thread is more beneficial for the Op than it is for those reading it, although it could help those who are experiencing a similar situation.

And as for your statement, one of the most universal paradoxes is that simplicity is extremely complex. As, for example, we can look at everything in the observable universe, and we pick one object for this study. A simple object, let your imagination picture. Then this simple concept has other concepts entwined into it, like a fractal, layers upon layers, so much so, that it is nigh on impossible for humans to comprehend it as it is, in all its forms. Therefore simple is not always simply that.

This is off topic, and a weak example, but nonetheless, I use it to expose your weakness of thought. Why are there so many people, jumping the gun without giving any consideration of what they are talking about.

Anyway, I reproach you, not to offend you, but for you to think.

And Op, well done on seeing the light. I wish you the best.




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Re: Simplicity [Re: hTx]
    #18850323 - 09/16/13 05:39 PM (10 years, 5 months ago)

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hTx said:
I feel life, freedom, and happiness come from within. This is nothing new of course, and in this post I seek to offer nothing new...but to share with you a simple something, something that I have found.

I am sharing here because, despite the obvious dislike I have garnered since my arrival from many of you, I feel a sort of connection with all of you. I have shared my inner-most thoughts and beliefs with you, things I do not share with anyone...I came here claiming answers and to disrupt dogma..yours and my own, subconsciously perhaps, and I have come to realize that I have accomplished this within myself.


I had to go without for awhile, and while out I lost myself. When I went in, I found me. And I was so out.. I did not like what I found, but alas, I am here, and now that I have seen the truth of my condition, I can move forward. It is as simple as that.

Moving forward. Truth. Acceptance. Surrender.

Love.

Just thinking about it...My eyes feel tears.
What does Love want, but the best!

I sought the worst...I lived it, I was killing me!

The best deals with betterment.

Bettering the self that I have so degraded with drugs, self-destruction, self-defeat, fear and a deluded positivity amongst all horrors that had me near-death without even really realizing it. I saw, with clarity, several life paths...and I will choose which one I will go up. The path I was on was...a bad one, and also a maturing one.


Now, my wanderlust is overwhelming. We are always travelling, always changing. I want to direct it. I want to save myself, and...Now,


I feel something real. I feel this...feeling..I cannot quite describe it, but I know what it is. It feels better than anything, than it goes..but I know that it is there.


I have had this simple realization...and I had it awhile ago before being struck with what I now realize as "depression."

I have realized that I love myself...and that somewhere a long time I had forgotten what Love is.

It is simple.

Better yourself in Everything, and Everything will be better. Let yourself be flooded with feeling. Do not numb it out. Even if its horrible. Feel it out. Then own it.

Feel the feels.

We choose our destinies, there are many life paths all ending the same..with

the End.




This calls for some Kate Bush.

Feel It.



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Re: Simplicity [Re: hTx]
    #18850646 - 09/16/13 06:44 PM (10 years, 5 months ago)

Quote:

hTx said:

I have had this simple realization...and I had it awhile ago before being struck with what I now realize as "depression."

I have realized that I love myself...and that somewhere a long time I had forgotten what Love is.

It is simple.

Better yourself in Everything, and Everything will be better. Let yourself be flooded with feeling. Do not numb it out. Even if its horrible. Feel it out. Then own it.

Feel the feels.

We choose our destinies, there are many life paths all ending the same..with

the End.




you have the choice to live in love/freedom/joy/spontaneity/flow or guilt/sin/fear/separation/paralysis. the decision is yours. in every single moment...no one can make it for you. you can live in love or die in shame.

guilt/fear/pain is obliterated through love...and that's the BEAUTY of this process. no matter how much PAIN you experience in this life, you can still free yourself, in any moment.

why? because love obliterates fear/sin....sin is the ILLUSION we have created. Love is the reality. and that's why life, in it's essence is perfect. because the reality of love is always here for us. it is only through our FORGETTING that we experience a reality without love....


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Re: Simplicity [Re: resonant111]
    #18850659 - 09/16/13 06:46 PM (10 years, 5 months ago)

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you have the choice to live in love/freedom/joy/spontaneity/flow or guilt/sin/fear/separation/paralysis. the decision is yours. in every single moment...no one can make it for you. you can live in love or die in shame.

guilt/fear/pain is obliterated through love...and that's the BEAUTY of this process. no matter how much PAIN you experience in this life, you can still free yourself, in any moment.

why? because love obliterates fear/sin....sin is the ILLUSION we have created. Love is the reality. and that's why life, in it's essence is perfect. because the reality of love is always here for us. it is only through our FORGETTING that we experience a reality without love....




I think this thread should be in spirituality and mysticism, I avoid that forum to get around threads like this.


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Re: Simplicity [Re: resonant111]
    #18850668 - 09/16/13 06:47 PM (10 years, 5 months ago)

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resonant111 said:
Quote:

hTx said:

I have had this simple realization...and I had it awhile ago before being struck with what I now realize as "depression."

I have realized that I love myself...and that somewhere a long time I had forgotten what Love is.

It is simple.

Better yourself in Everything, and Everything will be better. Let yourself be flooded with feeling. Do not numb it out. Even if its horrible. Feel it out. Then own it.

Feel the feels.

We choose our destinies, there are many life paths all ending the same..with

the End.




you have the choice to live in love/freedom/joy/spontaneity/flow or guilt/sin/fear/separation/paralysis. the decision is yours. in every single moment...no one can make it for you. you can live in love or die in shame.

guilt/fear/pain is obliterated through love...and that's the BEAUTY of this process. no matter how much PAIN you experience in this life, you can still free yourself, in any moment.

why? because love obliterates fear/sin....sin is the ILLUSION we have created. Love is the reality. and that's why life, in it's essence is perfect. because the reality of love is always here for us. it is only through our FORGETTING that we experience a reality without love....




its essence.  not it's essence.


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Re: Simplicity [Re: Repertoire89]
    #18850676 - 09/16/13 06:49 PM (10 years, 5 months ago)

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Repertoire89 said:
Quote:

resonant111 said:

you have the choice to live in love/freedom/joy/spontaneity/flow or guilt/sin/fear/separation/paralysis. the decision is yours. in every single moment...no one can make it for you. you can live in love or die in shame.

guilt/fear/pain is obliterated through love...and that's the BEAUTY of this process. no matter how much PAIN you experience in this life, you can still free yourself, in any moment.

why? because love obliterates fear/sin....sin is the ILLUSION we have created. Love is the reality. and that's why life, in it's essence is perfect. because the reality of love is always here for us. it is only through our FORGETTING that we experience a reality without love....




I think this thread should be in spirituality and mysticism, I avoid that forum to get around threads like this.




haha i know what i posted comes off biblical as shit, but it's true....at least in my own life experience.

everything revolves around the duality of love and fear. and if you're stuck in fear/guilt/shame, whatever, that's a bad place to be. sounds alot like hell to me :shocked:

and you're right this thread seems more like it should be in the spirituality section but whatevas....


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Re: Simplicity [Re: resonant111]
    #18850719 - 09/16/13 06:59 PM (10 years, 5 months ago)

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    #18851364 - 09/16/13 09:19 PM (10 years, 5 months ago)

I used to post threads like these, but then I found something better, namely, masturbating in the mirror.


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Re: Simplicity [Re: Repertoire89]
    #18851677 - 09/16/13 10:29 PM (10 years, 5 months ago)

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Repertoire89 said:
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resonant111 said:

you have the choice to live in love/freedom/joy/spontaneity/flow or guilt/sin/fear/separation/paralysis. the decision is yours. in every single moment...no one can make it for you. you can live in love or die in shame.

guilt/fear/pain is obliterated through love...and that's the BEAUTY of this process. no matter how much PAIN you experience in this life, you can still free yourself, in any moment.

why? because love obliterates fear/sin....sin is the ILLUSION we have created. Love is the reality. and that's why life, in it's essence is perfect. because the reality of love is always here for us. it is only through our FORGETTING that we experience a reality without love....




I think this thread should be in spirituality and mysticism, I avoid that forum to get around threads like this.



You say this, prove it..I told you in the title of the thread, this one was simple..I do however admit that I had fun with the semantics, and there is more to Simplicity than meets the I.

complexity must start somewhere..(the Omega Point perhaps?):grin:


Whats the difference between spirituality and philosophy, and how does OP not apply?


I'm just getting warmed up, I do not apologize for your annoyance.

and also..
Why did you get involved in this thread to begin with if you are trying to avoid threads like this?

Because of semantics?

Does the word love piss you off?

Need a hug bro?


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Re: Simplicity [Re: hTx]
    #18851769 - 09/16/13 10:53 PM (10 years, 5 months ago)

Quote:

hTx said:
I feel life, freedom, and happiness come from within. This is nothing new of course, and in this post I seek to offer nothing new...but to share with you a simple something, something that I have found.

I am sharing here because, despite the obvious dislike I have garnered since my arrival from many of you, I feel a sort of connection with all of you. I have shared my inner-most thoughts and beliefs with you, things I do not share with anyone...I came here claiming answers and to disrupt dogma..yours and my own, subconsciously perhaps, and I have come to realize that I have accomplished this within myself.


I had to go without for awhile, and while out I lost myself. When I went in, I found me. And I was so out.. I did not like what I found, but alas, I am here, and now that I have seen the truth of my condition, I can move forward. It is as simple as that.

Moving forward. Truth. Acceptance. Surrender.

Love.

Just thinking about it...My eyes feel tears.
What does Love want, but the best!

I sought the worst...I lived it, I was killing me!

The best deals with betterment.

Bettering the self that I have so degraded with drugs, self-destruction, self-defeat, fear and a deluded positivity amongst all horrors that had me near-death without even really realizing it. I saw, with clarity, several life paths...and I will choose which one I will go up. The path I was on was...a bad one, and also a maturing one.


Now, my wanderlust is overwhelming. We are always travelling, always changing. I want to direct it. I want to save myself, and...Now,


I feel something real. I feel this...feeling..I cannot quite describe it, but I know what it is. It feels better than anything, than it goes..but I know that it is there.


I have had this simple realization...and I had it awhile ago before being struck with what I now realize as "depression."

I have realized that I love myself...and that somewhere a long time I had forgotten what Love is.

It is simple.

Better yourself in Everything, and Everything will be better. Let yourself be flooded with feeling. Do not numb it out. Even if its horrible. Feel it out. Then own it.

Feel the feels.

We choose our destinies, there are many life paths all ending the same..with

the End.




This is preaching, there is nothing offered to be debated.

Whatever this has to do with psychology or sociology is presented in blank statements, proselytizing half baked spiritual mumbo jumbo.

Since this has been an enduring habit of yours I'll probably just wind up putting you on ignore and save myself the annoyance.



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Does the word love piss you off?

Need a hug bro?




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Re: Simplicity [Re: Repertoire89]
    #18852042 - 09/17/13 12:21 AM (10 years, 5 months ago)

preach
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verb
gerund or present participle: preaching

    1.
    deliver a sermon or religious address to an assembled group of people, typically in church.

ser·mon
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noun: sermon; plural noun: sermons

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    a talk on a religious or moral subject, esp. one given during a church service and based on a passage from the Bible.


:rolleyes:

Its not preaching, its simply the truth. You cannot debate it because the logic is sound. This annoys you.
What is spiritual about defining love for ones self as the betterment of ones self?
What is philosophical about it?

Many have said love for ones self is acceptance and why change what you love? Why fix what ain't broken?


I say that this is only part of the story, to come into acceptance we must get past denial. That we are broken. We are incomplete, as described in the mathematics of Godels incompleteness theorem.

That true love (can we agree on this much?) is an intense affection, a caring, for anything or anyone. This means that you do not wish to harm but to better. Why do we find it hard to love ourselves? Why do we suffer so?

What is it within us that harms us?
Lack of intelligence?
Something metaphysical, perhaps?

To love oneself is to better oneself, to better oneself is to better humanity. Why do we debate philosophy and mysticism if not to better ourselves?

Ignore me if it makes you happy. Filter out what makes you uncomfortable. We do so already, and so, in comfort, we can feel as if we are on top of things. Even if we are most definitely not.

For the past two months, ever since my surgery, I had somehow gotten addicted to heroin...something I was adamant about curing! How foolish I am.
Literally the day before I shot up heroin for the first time I was on the shroomery posting about how I wanted to start an underground treatment movement..and than I ended up becoming what I sought to cure. I think perhaps a part of me ventured into the abyss too experience it, to better know what I was dealing with.

"Battle not with monsters, lest ye become a monster, and if you gaze into the abyss, the abyss gazes also into you."
Friedrich Nietzsche

The truth of this statement has never been more clear, as it happened to me, and I think here it happened as well. But, I think also, that this has to happen to come into any sort of understanding with what we are dealing with.
Off-topic but, I am curious..
You once said "I like you, cheers." with a 5 shroom rating that you retracted. Not that it really matters, but what happened?

Now, every post I make, although I have not changed positions in regards to what I post, you seek to mock me.

Why?


I point out something pretty simple, that we must take full responsibility for our condition, and only when we do this can we progress, only when you want the best will you seek betterment. That something within myself has lied to me as to whats best. If that something has lied to me, than surely it must be lying to another.
I think the debate lies in whats best.

Do we know whats best? Can we?

I do not know what is best, but I know the direction I was heading in was not it. Perhaps whats best is that simple.

Direction away from harm. The oldest, the first known thing, has always been this. 


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Re: Simplicity [Re: hTx]
    #18852076 - 09/17/13 12:33 AM (10 years, 5 months ago)

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hTx said:

Its not preaching, its simply the truth. You cannot debate it because the logic is sound. This annoys you.




First half of first sentence: statement.
Second half of sentence: statement.
Second sentence: statement.
Third sentence: statement.

All four of these statements are unsubstantiated.




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hTx said:
You once said "I like you, cheers." with a 5 shroom rating that you retracted. Not that it really matters, but what happened?

Now, every post I make, although I have not changed positions in regards to what I post, you seek to mock me.

Why?




I'm pretty sure that rating was never retracted, when you opt-out of ratings all the ratings you gave others are deleted. As far as why I seemingly mock you, if I disagree with anyone I point it out and outline why, life is too short for apologies.

There are too many questions and statements in your message for me to sort through. Is this simplicity?


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