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ID: Psilocybe Semilanceata
#18848622 - 09/16/13 11:23 AM (10 years, 4 months ago) |
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Hey!
So, the weather here in Finland is perfect right now for some mushrooms, including Liberty Caps. Since this is my first year hunting I'd appreciate some help with my first ones found. I went several days checking on new ones and old specimens developing over time. All were found on the same field in the right kind of sedge grass. Although some of these remind a bit of Liberty Caps, I'm quite sure all of these aren't.
Habitat: Well fertilized pasture land; beside and near, but not directly on dung.
Gills: Black-dark to light brown
Stem: 5-10 cm, hollow, not flexy.
Cap: As in picture, varying depending on moisture.
Spore print color: Black/dark brown (POSSIBLY even slightly purple)
Bruising: No bruising really. Possibly a bit darkish in the old specimens.
http://postimg.org/gallery/biurqjec/61044782/ http://postimg.org/gallery/89p6tgg8/f0f40b8d/
If some experienced (preferably several) people could go through these pictures quickly and inform me if these are P. Semilanceatas. If not, what could they be? (Psathyrella marcescibilis?)
Thanks a bunch!
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Re: ID: Psilocybe Semilanceata [Re: bulipap]
#18848803 - 09/16/13 12:07 PM (10 years, 4 months ago) |
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Hey! Im estonian - I say they are not libs. Notice that the cap is not having slimey layer, the stem is too dark. I meet those fellas on the same field I get my Lib's, just dont pick those. They grow among libs and near to them.
Panaeolus Acuminatus - maybe some panaeolus species?
Edited by botha (09/16/13 12:15 PM)
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Re: ID: Psilocybe Semilanceata [Re: bulipap]
#18848890 - 09/16/13 12:24 PM (10 years, 4 months ago) |
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This is not liberty caps
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Re: ID: Psilocybe Semilanceata [Re: botha]
#18849045 - 09/16/13 12:57 PM (10 years, 4 months ago) |
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Yes, a bit as I expected. Always good to know though. Thank you both very much for the fast reply!
Happy hunting!
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Re: ID: Psilocybe Semilanceata [Re: botha]
#18849056 - 09/16/13 12:59 PM (10 years, 4 months ago) |
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botha said: Hey! Im estonian - I say they are not libs. Notice that the cap is not having slimey layer, the stem is too dark. I meet those fellas on the same field I get my Lib's, just dont pick those. They grow among libs and near to them.
Panaeolus Acuminatus - maybe some panaeolus species?
Id go with P acuminatus as well.
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Re: ID: Psilocybe Semilanceata [Re: bulipap] 1
#18849152 - 09/16/13 01:20 PM (10 years, 4 months ago) |
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bulipap said: Hey!
So, the weather here in Finland is perfect right now for some mushrooms, including Liberty Caps. Since this is my first year hunting I'd appreciate some help with my first ones found. I went several days checking on new ones and old specimens developing over time. All were found on the same field in the right kind of sedge grass. Although some of these remind a bit of Liberty Caps, I'm quite sure all of these aren't.
Stem: 5-10 cm, hollow, not flexy.
Hey!
Mushroom hunting weather was good last week but probably won't be good again until later this week - too warm and too dry over almost all of the country. When night temps are getting down to 8c again, time to go hunting. Only thing you'll likely find right now is 4 day old specimens that are mostly deteriorated.
P. Semilanceata never has a hollow stem and it is always flexible and strong like shiny, twisted sinew. None of your finds are semis.
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Awesome, thanks Psylosymonreturns and Silokki (suippumadonlakki)! Better just be patient and go searching later this week again...
Also, what is considered as too dry? I mean is the seasons humidity during the night enough or do these mushrooms require frequent rainfall?
Thank you very much!
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Re: ID: Psilocybe Semilanceata [Re: bulipap]
#18849479 - 09/16/13 02:46 PM (10 years, 4 months ago) |
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I think that below 10C degrees and night mist is doing the trick also. It hadn`t been raining for a week when I went to check second time this year. It was early morning, no rain, sun was shining but grass and soil was really wet from night mist and I found my first 30 fellas
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Re: ID: Psilocybe Semilanceata [Re: bulipap]
#18851235 - 09/16/13 08:56 PM (10 years, 4 months ago) |
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bulipap said:
Also, what is considered as too dry? I mean is the seasons humidity during the night enough or do these mushrooms require frequent rainfall?
If the fog is heavy enough to leave the tall grass wet until noon and the ground is not rock hard and cracked, then that is good enough. If the ground is rock hard and cracked on a sunny day, then that spot will never be good enough even after heavy rains.
Grounds where the dirt has been machined are not so good. Mowing is OK, though, not a bad thing at all.
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Thank you SideNote and Suippumadonlakki very much!
One more probably quite obvious question tho. Why is it worthwhile going mushroom hunting early in the mornings? Beside the fact that you can search more incognito, are some/all mushrooms (like the Liberty Caps) more visible in the cold and damp mornings? I have also tried searching for answers without any luck...
Thanks!
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Re: ID: Psilocybe Semilanceata [Re: bulipap]
#18858613 - 09/18/13 03:09 PM (10 years, 4 months ago) |
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No real reason. Just felt like a great fresh Autumn morning
But yes, finding a field of your own can be really time-consuming. I haven`t managed yet. Using fields that are known for their magic..
Edited by SideNote (09/18/13 03:15 PM)
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Re: ID: Psilocybe Semilanceata [Re: SideNote]
#18861181 - 09/19/13 12:32 AM (10 years, 4 months ago) |
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Perfect. Although I'm definitely not a mornining person, I love the feeling of freshness in the morning.  Thanks!
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Re: ID: Psilocybe Semilanceata [Re: bulipap]
#18861789 - 09/19/13 07:14 AM (10 years, 4 months ago) |
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bulipap said: Thank you SideNote and Suippumadonlakki very much!
One more probably quite obvious question tho. Why is it worthwhile going mushroom hunting early in the mornings? Beside the fact that you can search more incognito, are some/all mushrooms (like the Liberty Caps) more visible in the cold and damp mornings? I have also tried searching for answers without any luck...
Thanks!
For successful hunting of any small, well camoflauged, difficult to find mushroom, you should study and intimately learn the behaviour of it's mycelium.
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Time to put your boots on, bulipap, they're flushing right now.
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If the fog is heavy enough to leave the tall grass wet until noon and the ground is not rock hard and cracked, then that is good enough. If the ground is rock hard and cracked on a sunny day, then that spot will never be good enough even after heavy rains.
Grounds where the dirt has been machined are not so good. Mowing is OK, though, not a bad thing at all.
I had to bump this thread. This advice will save you hours trying to find liberty caps. Thanks.
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YesSir suippumadonlakki! I appreciate you helping me out!
Today morning I went to a local golf course searching for a couple of hours (http://postimg.org/gallery/3ztowxba/5fe2cd73/). Too bad I didn't find any Libs beside a snake (which I, with my unalertness, almost stepped on). Tomorrow morning I'm planning on going to the same pasture field I was last time (OP pictures) and some kind of new field I stumbled across today (http://postimg.org/image/mzai6bl0x/). Do all these places look promising to you?
Once again, thank you very much!
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dRe: ID: Psilocybe Semilanceata [Re: bulipap]
#18871188 - 09/21/13 08:26 AM (10 years, 4 months ago) |
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Not Liberty caps, steams are too narrow, brittle and dark
Liberty caps have off-white stalks that are stronger and thicker and their caps are nicer to look at(more solid, with a sharper point on top)
These are also not Psilocybe Conifer because their caps are too light(not amber) and not translucent enough
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dRe: ID: Psilocybe Semilanceata [Re: Herbgarden]
#18871226 - 09/21/13 08:43 AM (10 years, 4 months ago) |
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Thanks for another confirmation Herbgarden!
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Re: ID: Psilocybe Semilanceata [Re: bulipap]
#18874655 - 09/22/13 03:57 AM (10 years, 4 months ago) |
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bulipap said: YesSir suippumadonlakki! I appreciate you helping me out!
Today morning I went to a local golf course searching for a couple of hours (http://postimg.org/gallery/3ztowxba/5fe2cd73/). Too bad I didn't find any Libs beside a snake (which I, with my unalertness, almost stepped on). Tomorrow morning I'm planning on going to the same pasture field I was last time (OP pictures) and some kind of new field I stumbled across today (http://postimg.org/image/mzai6bl0x/). Do all these places look promising to you?
Once again, thank you very much!
Those spots don't look good to me - too tall and thick.
You need to find a spot where there are grasses of lots of mixed light and dark colors (the more mixed colors the better), sedge grass clumps (nurmilauha) here and there, and exposed bits of bare ground here and there. Best spot will always be on the south side of openings (that is, the part of the opening that faces the north. In this part of the opening, look for the lowest ground spots because they hold more moisture.
Semis grow from the roots of the dying sedges, sometimes right up from the middle of the clump, sometimes on the bare ground or short healthy grass that is up to a few meters away (the sedge roots are really long).
Look for a spot where the grass is like this:
https://mycotopia.net/forums/attachments/holding-tank/101216d1222085321-p-semilanceata-hab1.jpg
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Today I went looking again for a couple of hour without luck. Not even close to giving up though, I really need this! Next hunting session in a couple of days again.
Also, everything I needed to know in one post. You're awesome!! Thank you!
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Re: ID: Psilocybe Semilanceata [Re: bulipap] 1
#18875673 - 09/22/13 12:11 PM (10 years, 4 months ago) |
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Don't give up. It usually takes a person several years of searching to be able to find semis on their own.
When the weather conditions are right and you find the right kind of environment, it's simply impossible that they are not there unless somebody came before you and pulled them out of the ground. Impossible because spores of each type of mushroom are broadcasted by the hundreds of trillions per every square kilometer and they will colonize every suitable environment that exists (even the edge of trails inside deep forests, if the right kind of grass is on the edge of those trails). You can walk right on top of them 5 times in the short grass, with almost no speed at all, and still not see them. The problem isn't that they are not there, the problem is with your eyes. When you spot one, just sit down and look around and the others will appear - you will wonder how you didn't see the others when you were standing up. Then you will start to find your intuition.
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Listen to suippumadonlakki and look for places with nurmilauha (Deschampsia cespitosa) or cow/sheep/horse pastures with short green grass mixed with lots of moss (Rhytidiadelphus squarrosus).
The places you hunt now has the wrong grass/ground.
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Perfect! Just what I needed: some perspective! Since I just recently started mushroom hunting, perspective is a great thing! I still have a bunch of studying with the mycelium of different mushrooms. Really interesting actually. Maybe P. Pelloculosa would be another more easier-to-find alternative. Semis are more potent and beautiful though..
Stoked! Gotta' go hunting soon again. Thank you very much suippumadonlakki and also "the drug sausage", knarkkorven!
I'll inform you guys when I find something promising.
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Re: ID: Psilocybe Semilanceata [Re: bulipap]
#18879510 - 09/23/13 07:48 AM (10 years, 4 months ago) |
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still nothing in estonia, the ground is too dry. maybe better luck next weekend... it should rain
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Re: ID: Psilocybe Semilanceata [Re: madis503]
#18879617 - 09/23/13 08:40 AM (10 years, 4 months ago) |
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All mushrooms are beautiful, if you ask me. I just love taking photos of all of them.
Actually, there has only been one reported finding of P. Pelliculosa in Finland (this is not really their territory), according to Wikipedia. I suspected that I had found a colony a month ago in a nice, cool forest, but it turned out to be something else. It made for some very nice photos, though!
Mycology is a fascinating science, far stranger than we can suppose.
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I see. Then P. Pelliculosa probably isn't my second alternative. Oh and yes, all mushrooms sure are beautiful and frankly I find them somehow so mystical.. Guess that's one of the reasons I've started to love them recently.
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Re: ID: Psilocybe Semilanceata [Re: bulipap]
#18879988 - 09/23/13 10:28 AM (10 years, 4 months ago) |
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bulipap said: I see. Then P. Pelliculosa probably isn't my second alternative. Oh and yes, all mushrooms sure are beautiful and frankly I find them somehow so mystical.. Guess that's one of the reasons I've started to love them recently. 
Your second alternative should be Panaeolus cinctulus,(Reunuskirjoheltta).
Good luck for your future hunts.
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so you are saying that libs go from pins to rotting in a 4 day time span???
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Go for semilaceata, it's far more common than the others. Even if you would find pelliculosa, they are weaker and you would need a lot more.
And it's to late for cinctulus now.
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Re: ID: Psilocybe Semilanceata [Re: knarkkorven]
#18881537 - 09/23/13 05:46 PM (10 years, 4 months ago) |
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knarkkorven said: Go for semilaceata, it's far more common than the others. Even if you would find pelliculosa, they are weaker and you would need a lot more.
And it's to late for cinctulus now.
Well I meant in future years for that cinctulus comment. I have found cinctulus fruiting in early October in a few years ago, but yes better time is in summer months.
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andrewjossi said: so you are saying that libs go from pins to rotting in a 4 day time span???
4 to 5 days being the maximum duration of existence for a given fruit.
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Wow, what an incredible wealth of information. You guys sure know what you're talking about.
Now when the night frost has begun, about how long will the Semilanceatas survive before declining in numbers?
Thanks!
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Re: ID: Psilocybe Semilanceata [Re: bulipap]
#18897404 - 09/27/13 04:14 AM (10 years, 4 months ago) |
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Now when the night frost has begun, about how long will the Semilanceatas survive before declining in numbers?
I think I might have found the answer to my question myself in another post.
"One or two evened out frosts shouldn't be much of a problem. However, if you have 3 or 4 consecutive frosts, expect your season to come to an end." -scyrusurcys
This is what I was looking for. I think I might have gotten a bit too spoiled to search for the answer myself when I know there are such helpful people here.
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Re: ID: Psilocybe Semilanceata [Re: bulipap]
#18897409 - 09/27/13 04:18 AM (10 years, 4 months ago) |
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For those who don't know:
"[...] It is not likely that the first frost will kill mycelium. Native species to the PNW, such as the liberty cap are adapted to the frost and won't die from it. Constant freezing temperatures will almost certainly end the mushroom picking season, but there are exceptions with microclimates. The first few overnight frosts won't harm much, but when it is staying icy all day, then the season will be coming to an end. The mycelium will simply go dormant, or into a slow rate of growth." -Blek
http://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/6234849
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Re: ID: Psilocybe Semilanceata [Re: bulipap]
#18897449 - 09/27/13 05:19 AM (10 years, 4 months ago) |
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bulipap said: For those who don't know:
"[...] It is not likely that the first frost will kill mycelium. Native species to the PNW, such as the liberty cap are adapted to the frost and won't die from it. Constant freezing temperatures will almost certainly end the mushroom picking season, but there are exceptions with microclimates. The first few overnight frosts won't harm much, but when it is staying icy all day, then the season will be coming to an end. The mycelium will simply go dormant, or into a slow rate of growth." -Blek
http://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/6234849
Love this forum!
Thanks for very nice info to you, too!
I am also wondering about ideal temperature ranges for libs. From what I understand, they prefere colder temps, so warm sunny september deleays start of a season, and I would imagine temperatures less than 15C during midday are good. But anything more specyfic for day max/night minimum? Right now here in Poland we got 12 - 15C of midday temp, and 2-5C at the coldest late night. Couple degrees less should be better?
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Re: ID: Psilocybe Semilanceata [Re: Psiledehysp]
#18897553 - 09/27/13 06:50 AM (10 years, 4 months ago) |
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Please someone correct me if I'm wrong but from what I have understood, the conditions you're describing seem quite perfect. I don't think there's a minimum midday temperature, it's just the frost at night that might damage them. "night temperatures <10°C, day temperatures <15°C", is what most sources say.
I also found this: "The best hunting time is when it's cold enough to want to wear your gloves. A good sign of when the season is coming to its end is when the ground freezes for several nights in a row or you get snow that stays on the ground for more than a day.". The gloves might be a good reminder!
Good luck and hopefully we'll both find something this year!
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Re: ID: Psilocybe Semilanceata [Re: bulipap]
#18899383 - 09/27/13 04:11 PM (10 years, 4 months ago) |
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Good luck to You Too, and nice find again. I already found some, but small ammounts so far. Going again soon, hope for a fruitfull Mother Nature.
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Re: ID: Psilocybe Semilanceata [Re: Psiledehysp]
#18905669 - 09/29/13 02:50 AM (10 years, 4 months ago) |
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At least the problem in Finland now is the drought that has already lasted for nearly 5 months. Unless rain starts to fall, there won't be anything popping up in the grasses.
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Oh so it wasn't just me? Yesterday I went for a couple of hours to a spot that I believe seemed great but found nothing. Have you found anything promising this year?
Also, what would be considerd enough rain for them to start to start showing up?
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Re: ID: Psilocybe Semilanceata [Re: bulipap]
#18910257 - 09/30/13 07:41 AM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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I've found about 400 during the past 3 weeks from a combination of 6 spots. I found fresh ones yesterday and today, first time in more than a week.
Still, I'm just saying, I should have easily found 10 times that amount by now but we've had something less than 2cm of rain during the past 4 months and it just does not convince itself to rain even now.
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Well... Guess I can't blame anything else than my so called "spots" and my attention when seeking those little goodies.. Hopefully it'll come with time. With that amount I would be loaded for ages. But I guess the standard for what's much changes over time. And yes, I do believe you, it sure has been dry..
Nice job!
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