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Fishing is a cruel sport/hobby, * 2
    #18842536 - 09/14/13 09:19 PM (10 years, 5 months ago)

As a nature enthusiast and lover i decided to gander over here to The Great Outdoors thread. Immediately I noticed the large amounts of fishing related threads all from a similar perspective so I decided to create my own.

Now i can understand the excitement and thrill that is associated with fishing and also other social aspects that can be included in the experience.

I am more able to empathize with the fisher whom relies on it as a source of vital food necessary for survival as apposed to sport and recreational.

I just cant seem to understand how it can be seen as humane to rip jaws, flesh, chunks, bits, tear fins, descale, terrify, and suffocate these beautiful forms of life. To cause them to bleed and to loose eyes for fun and enjoyment.

Surly that's not the purpose to maim these fish and aquatic animals, but there is no way to ensure that you are not injuring these fish while using needle sharp fish hooks and lures.

Not only does it cause physical harm but there are numerous study's on the effects on overall breeding habits, migrations, and environmental impacts that fishing has on the natural environment.

Fish are living creatures as you and I and some species can sense pain very similarly to us. However most sense pain in different ways very uncompareable.

Surely i am not the only one who sees fishing as a negative and harmful sport.


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Re: Fishing is a cruel sport/hobby, [Re: Ras Rising]
    #18842575 - 09/14/13 09:30 PM (10 years, 5 months ago)

a fish would fuck you up if you were the size of a food source. Fish don't give a shit if you are an innocent baby bird or a tadpole just getting it's way in the world. They also don't just attack to survive. Fish will fuck up shit for no apparent reason at all.

The world is a cruel place. I believe a fish getting caught is the least of it's worries (assuming we are talking catch and release) but that's my take.

Animals die in millions of ways that are much more cruel than how humans do it.


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Re: Fishing is a cruel sport/hobby, [Re: audiophoenix]
    #18842612 - 09/14/13 09:42 PM (10 years, 5 months ago)

But i dont think excusing humans of hurting a living creature (regardless of its instincts and violent behavior) simply because nature has ways more cruel than how humans would hurt them is a viable excuse for doing so. I guess personally i think humans having greater cognitive and conscious capacity would be more endearing and compassionate for the forms of life we live with. I would also like to think we could as a collective whole value all forms of life even if they are not conscious as we are that means we can control what happens to them and the environment and ultimately the universe so really there is no excuse.


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Re: Fishing is a cruel sport/hobby, [Re: Ras Rising] * 1
    #18845070 - 09/15/13 03:34 PM (10 years, 5 months ago)

I freedive spearfish. I don't really consider it a sport, i guess it's somewhat of a hobby, but it's mainly a way of life for me. I eat what ever I kill, and I give the less palatable parts to my chickens. Bones go in the compost pile. Everything is used.

I wouldn't say what I do is cruel. It's just a way for me to feel alive and obtain food. It's a level playing field out there in the ocean. Plenty of sharks out there that could kill me if they wanted to. I don't consider them "cruel" they're just doing what they do to survive, and so am I. Such is life.


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Re: Fishing is a cruel sport/hobby, [Re: ButteredToast]
    #18845975 - 09/15/13 07:36 PM (10 years, 5 months ago)

few life forms are aware of their own mortality.


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Re: Fishing is a cruel sport/hobby, [Re: Rockhound]
    #18846665 - 09/15/13 10:16 PM (10 years, 5 months ago)

I fish but I throw everything I catch back unless it is hooked in the gills and it will die.
As long as you don't fish illegally I don't think fishing is especially cruel.
It is impossible to get food to your table without killing animals, same goes for shelter, power, water and all other things we need to live.
I shouldn't even have to mention all things we have but not need.
Modern recreational fishing if done legally is very humane and is selective.
You can't fish more than one fish at a time unless you use nets or have a whole bunch of rods trolling.


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Re: Fishing is a cruel sport/hobby, [Re: Psilopsychosis]
    #18847298 - 09/16/13 12:45 AM (10 years, 5 months ago)

pink salmon


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Re: Fishing is a cruel sport/hobby, [Re: Psilopsychosis]
    #18847727 - 09/16/13 05:28 AM (10 years, 5 months ago)

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Psilopsychosis said:
I fish but I throw everything I catch back unless it is hooked in the gills and it will die.
As long as you don't fish illegally I don't think fishing is especially cruel.
It is impossible to get food to your table without killing animals, same goes for shelter, power, water and all other things we need to live.
I shouldn't even have to mention all things we have but not need.
Modern recreational fishing if done legally is very humane and is selective.
You can't fish more than one fish at a time unless you use nets or have a
whole bunch of rods trolling.




Its very possible to get food to your table without the killing of animals, and same got shelter power and all the other things we need to live. Yes animal products are convenient and easy to convert but there are better materials for all our needs.


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Re: Fishing is a cruel sport/hobby, [Re: Ras Rising]
    #18847734 - 09/16/13 05:32 AM (10 years, 5 months ago)

Im hearing a lot of the same arguments though based on a fishes knowing of their surroundings, natural selection, and some loosely based recreation when done by a single pole not massive fish farming, netting etc. But i guess i was really looking for some one to re-butt some moral and ethical stances I had touched upon. Because yes they can and perhaps will get killed other ways maybe more cruel than out own hand. But we are still the ones who have the power, the ones who are in control and have a moral choice and can make a educated decision and unless it is life or death, or something your culture and peoples has survived off of for hundreds of years i think its a moral grey area.


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Re: Fishing is a cruel sport/hobby, [Re: loco801]
    #18847738 - 09/16/13 05:33 AM (10 years, 5 months ago)

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loco801 said:
pink salmon





They are beautiful fish arnt they... im just unsure of your point :P and it would be nice to see these... not on land seems outlandish :P


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Re: Fishing is a cruel sport/hobby, [Re: Ras Rising]
    #18848033 - 09/16/13 08:04 AM (10 years, 5 months ago)

When I throw a fresh-caught fillet on the campfire, I feel no remorse, only a tingling in my taste buds and anticipation of a tender piece of lemon pepper meat filling my belly. Op, is it possible you are ascribing advanced mammal emotions  to fish? Very few animals, such as humans, elephants, dolphins, and a few other primates, seem to hold reverence for dead relatives, and self-aware of their own motality. Even single-celled organisms respond to their enviromnent.


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Re: Fishing is a cruel sport/hobby, [Re: Rockhound] * 1
    #18848220 - 09/16/13 09:22 AM (10 years, 5 months ago)

guys, i just about wrote a long post responding to the OP, but as an ethical sportsman, i find its just a waste of time to argue with these type of folks, its usually best to let it go. BUT,OP, ill be thinking about this post, the next time i drive my stainless steel gig through a flounder,feel the crunch of metal crushing bone and see him flopping his last breath away...and then i will go home and enjoy eating my prize with no remorse what so ever. :cool:  have a nice day.


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Re: Fishing is a cruel sport/hobby, [Re: Ras Rising]
    #18848580 - 09/16/13 11:13 AM (10 years, 5 months ago)

I go fishing quite a lot, for a hobby and for food. I smoked these up and they're quite delicious. I guess there wan't a point besides showing what I caught. But to make a point, pink salmon are abundant and most you dont catch anyways. Plus, native kings are illegal to take. There is fishing rules like "barbless hooks" and limits for a reason.


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Re: Fishing is a cruel sport/hobby, [Re: flat1]
    #18849773 - 09/16/13 03:46 PM (10 years, 5 months ago)

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guys, i just about wrote a long post responding to the OP, but as an ethical sportsman, i find its just a waste of time to argue with these type of folks, its usually best to let it go. BUT,OP, ill be thinking about this post, the next time i drive my stainless steel gig through a flounder,feel the crunch of metal crushing bone and see him flopping his last breath away...and then i will go home and enjoy eating my prize with no remorse what so ever. :cool:  have a nice day.




Im not trying to argue im stating points and validating them if anything its more of a debate. I'm really trying to stay open minded and see and understand it fully from both perspectives. Im just surprised as to how many pro-fishing enthusiasts there are and the lack there of ones opposing on this site just to point out a demographic. I'm not telling you to stop, although i believe it would come with great benefit, instead im trying to have you to think and ponder on the opposite view and really and truly consider the actions and activities we choose to partake in, Namely fishing.


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Re: Fishing is a cruel sport/hobby, [Re: Ras Rising]
    #18849877 - 09/16/13 04:05 PM (10 years, 5 months ago)

Interesting that you see it as "we are humans therefore we have an emotional obligation" but the decision making that goes into whether to fish or not is due to us being creatures of logic.  And once you see that emotions don't factor into the equation of most fisherman, it can't be used to argue for or against it. 

In my personal opinion it comes down to time consumption and the hint of grey you speak is the same color everything in nature is stained with.  Anyone out there fishing one at a time they can't be doing anymore damage than another apex level predator.  As long as the system stays sustainable we have a privilege to enjoy the land we work hard to preserve.


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Re: Fishing is a cruel sport/hobby, [Re: loco801]
    #18850115 - 09/16/13 04:48 PM (10 years, 5 months ago)





I don't agree with huge nets taking out entire schools of tuna.  I believe in catch and release but I also believe in taking some for the table.  I always try to respect the animal and I even do a small ceremony of thanks when I harvest a fish or any animal.    Hunting and fishing is often a ceremonial thing to most even if they don't really realize it.


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Re: Fishing is a cruel sport/hobby, [Re: Ras Rising]
    #18852837 - 09/17/13 09:29 AM (10 years, 5 months ago)

sorry if i came off as a hard-ass about it, but this post brought back

a memory from a few years ago. i was sittign down at a local pier

fishing for shark(which i release, as humanly as poosible) and this

group of anti-fisherman walked up to us and started harrassing us

about how fishing is so "cruel and inhumane" and other stuff. well we

told them to leave us alone, so while they were walking away they

stopped by our cooler and procced to start throwing all of our DEAD

bait in the water,while screaming "swim away little fishey!"

(i guess wasting my DEAD bait is saving the mullets life...) needless

to say, we chased em off them pier and they were lucky to not be

swimming back to shore! so sorry im a lil edgy on this subject>


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Re: Fishing is a cruel sport/hobby, [Re: Ras Rising]
    #18852904 - 09/17/13 09:58 AM (10 years, 5 months ago)

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Im hearing a lot of the same arguments though based on a fishes knowing of their surroundings, natural selection, and some loosely based recreation when done by a single pole not massive fish farming, netting etc. But i guess i was really looking for some one to re-butt some moral and ethical stances I had touched upon. Because yes they can and perhaps will get killed other ways maybe more cruel than out own hand. But we are still the ones who have the power, the ones who are in control and have a moral choice and can make a educated decision and unless it is life or death, or something your culture and peoples has survived off of for hundreds of years i think its a moral grey area.


So you are trying to apply social morays against the laws of natural selection ? I catch and release all my fish unless it is a tasty variety but how is any different than either cutting down a tree or pounding a foot long spike into it at the Rainbow Children thing. How do you know that tree does not feel? If you shear a sheep to stay warm does the sheep get cold ? These are moral questions you should be asking yourself. Most of the Shroomerites as well as other outdoorsmen I know under stand this DO NOT WASTE. How do you know that the plant you just ate was not intended for a Groundhog or Rabbit. Then here comes Mr Bunny saying damn some CRUEL SOB DONE STOLE WHAT I WAS GONNA EAT ALL WINTER. Ponder that.


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Re: Fishing is a cruel sport/hobby, [Re: flat1]
    #18852919 - 09/17/13 10:02 AM (10 years, 5 months ago)

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flat1 said:
sorry if i came off as a hard-ass about it, but this post brought back

a memory from a few years ago. i was sittign down at a local pier

fishing for shark(which i release, as humanly as poosible) and this

group of anti-fisherman walked up to us and started harrassing us

about how fishing is so "cruel and inhumane" and other stuff. well we

told them to leave us alone, so while they were walking away they

stopped by our cooler and procced to start throwing all of our DEAD

bait in the water,while screaming "swim away little fishey!"

(i guess wasting my DEAD bait is saving the mullets life...) needless

to say, we chased em off them pier and they were lucky to not be

swimming back to shore! so sorry im a lil edgy on this subject>



Man they started a chum line for ya :laugh2: You should have kept them at it all night. BTW where was this?


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Re: Fishing is a cruel sport/hobby, [Re: r00tuuu123]
    #18853309 - 09/17/13 12:10 PM (10 years, 5 months ago)

Driving in cars kills so much wildlife. I can see all the frogs, toads, snakes, turtles, mice, rabbits, squirrels, raccoon, possums etc splattered and spread across the highways.  Most people are so oblivious to the fact that they are killing stuff almost every time they drive down a country road. I try to notice the critters and try to avoid them.  But being a passenger I notice just how many are on the road and how oblivious drivers can be.

Sorry its off topic.  But since we are talking about being cruel and killing animals.  Lets talk about all the wasted life we obliviously crush on our way to the mall or what ever.

spring rains bring out all the frogs and salamanders and they migrate from the forests to the bodies of water to do it for a few nights.  On their way across roads they get annihilated by the thousands.  IMO certain roads should be closed a few days during the wet breading season.


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