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can LSD cause Ergotism?
    #18847489 - 09/16/13 02:36 AM (10 years, 5 months ago)

i mean, if it's like a bad batch, or something?

or am i dumb for even asking


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Re: can LSD cause Ergotism? [Re: Legend]
    #18847502 - 09/16/13 02:47 AM (10 years, 5 months ago)

Is ergotism something you would get from the fungus on the ergot or something?, that make people go crazy and become a 'Witch'? I dout it, unless they skipped a lot of steps in making it... but I have n o idea. Hahah. I always thought the people that went crazy from ergot were just trippin, but I'm sure there's a lot of other shit in there besides lsd. Again, I have no idea, but good question!


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Re: can LSD cause Ergotism? [Re: Legend]
    #18847505 - 09/16/13 02:51 AM (10 years, 5 months ago)

Well, from what I seem to remember, LSD is a subproduct from ergot. So, if the chemist is not so stupid to infect the product with the fungi, it shouldnt. And, even if he'd be so, I dont know if the fungi will be able to grow on the blotter or to produce spores, neither if the spores can cause ergotism. I dont think so btw.


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Re: can LSD cause Ergotism? [Re: Brown Buffalo]
    #18847753 - 09/16/13 05:41 AM (10 years, 5 months ago)

If the chemist is highly unexperienced, yes, there is a chance a batch of LSD can be lethal. In this case, what you would be ingesting wouldn't actually be LSD. LSD cannot cause ergotism itself.


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Re: can LSD cause Ergotism? [Re: MushyMatt]
    #18847815 - 09/16/13 06:14 AM (10 years, 5 months ago)

I thought LSD was supposed to shatter the ego?

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Re: can LSD cause Ergotism? [Re: Legend]
    #18847823 - 09/16/13 06:18 AM (10 years, 5 months ago)

First, no.

However, it would be interesting to know more about the exact symptoms of ergot poisoning. Aside from psychedelic effects, I bet that it's mostly vasoconstriction. It also causes seizures though, which is interesting.

I bet that ergot poisoning looks a lot like overdose on other psychedelics (25i, 2CT7, Bromodragonfly, etc). In fact, I bet that ergot poisoning and psychedelic overdose are the same thing.


Edited by nooneman (09/16/13 06:19 AM)


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Re: can LSD cause Ergotism? [Re: MushyMatt]
    #18848044 - 09/16/13 08:13 AM (10 years, 5 months ago)

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MushyMatt said:
If the chemist is highly unexperienced, yes, there is a chance a batch of LSD can be lethal. In this case, what you would be ingesting wouldn't actually be LSD. LSD cannot cause ergotism itself.




And unless you knew this chemist personally and were one of his guinea pigs... The chances of getting "bad LSD" is VERY VERY slim to none.


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Re: can LSD cause Ergotism? [Re: danlennon3]
    #18848402 - 09/16/13 10:26 AM (10 years, 5 months ago)

i would hope harmful doses of ergot alkaloids wouldn't fit on a peice of paper or a drop of liquid.


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Re: can LSD cause Ergotism? [Re: Legend]
    #18848409 - 09/16/13 10:28 AM (10 years, 5 months ago)

I don't think LSD would be able to cause ergotism as it's derived...
Maybe if you got liquid and had a really improperly synthesized batch...

I really don't know though, just theorizing.


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Re: can LSD cause Ergotism? [Re: deadwk]
    #18848735 - 09/16/13 11:56 AM (10 years, 5 months ago)

There is a single gcms on erowid showing many synth impurities but that should be at a really low concentration


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Re: can LSD cause Ergotism? [Re: nooneman]
    #18850241 - 09/16/13 05:15 PM (10 years, 5 months ago)

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nooneman said:
However, it would be interesting to know more about the exact symptoms of ergot poisoning. Aside from psychedelic effects, I bet that it's mostly vasoconstriction. It also causes seizures though, which is interesting.







I'm very curious about the vasoconstrictive properties / potential of LSD (and other typical psychedelics, in general) myself.


Regarding the seizures-- where are you getting this info?  Can you point me to any cases where people had a seizure from taking confirmed (not just alleged / assumed) LSD?


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