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iloveweed
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3rd grow attempt. Crossing my fingers on this one.
#18847748 - 09/16/13 05:38 AM (10 years, 5 months ago) |
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I grew mushrooms successfully a year or two ago by buying about 12 pre sterilized jars plus spores online and doing the pf tek. Ended up with about two ounces of dried mushies.
That was a year or two ago. Now I figure its time to get a little more serious and do this shit by myself. I started with 16 quart size jars which i inoculated with 4 different types of cubes. Sadly 3/4 of my "strains" were lost to contamination. All I have left is the pe mushies. Anyways, tell me what you guys think so far. I've had these in the fruiting chamber almost a week now so I'm expecting to start seeing some pinning soon.
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Re: 3rd grow attempt. Crossing my fingers on this one. [Re: iloveweed]
#18847755 - 09/16/13 05:42 AM (10 years, 5 months ago) |
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I am looking at substrate material that is no where near full colonization.
Why are you fruiting it?
What is the substrate?
What was the spawn?
How long did you let them colonize for before fruiting them?
What tek did you follow?
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Re: 3rd grow attempt. Crossing my fingers on this one. [Re: PussyFart]
#18847765 - 09/16/13 05:48 AM (10 years, 5 months ago) |
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I'm a novice, but I am pretty sure an ultra sonic humidifier is not enough for FAE in your greenhouse. From others that I have seen, they have attached a cool mist or something to that in addition to the ultrasonic for both humidity and FAE. Your looks like it's just connected to the ultrasonic. Please correct me if I am wrong though. There is enough misinformation from people already. Those trays don't look fully colonized as well, making it more susceptible to contamination.
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Re: 3rd grow attempt. Crossing my fingers on this one. [Re: PussyFart]
#18847790 - 09/16/13 05:59 AM (10 years, 5 months ago) |
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Colonized on rye grain. I let consolidate in quart sized jars for one week after full colonization. The spawn is vermiculite and coco coir. It is a 50/50 mix if my memory is correct. I layered about an inch of spawn below and above the colonized substrate then kept trays covered with foil for one week before fruiting them. I'll search the forums for the tel that I used so I can refer you to it. Maybe I shouldn't have fruited so soon?
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Re: 3rd grow attempt. Crossing my fingers on this one. [Re: PussyFart]
#18847793 - 09/16/13 06:02 AM (10 years, 5 months ago) |
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Re: 3rd grow attempt. Crossing my fingers on this one. [Re: Carion]
#18847806 - 09/16/13 06:09 AM (10 years, 5 months ago) |
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The Fae seems pretty good but I've only been able to keep humidity around 70%. I could have added another humidifier and I probably will next time. I've had one successful grow using a shotgun style terrarium and manually misting and fanning. This works better then that from both a humidity and Fae standpoint so I think I will be OK there. I am worried about contams though!
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Re: 3rd grow attempt. Crossing my fingers on this one. [Re: iloveweed]
#18847811 - 09/16/13 06:13 AM (10 years, 5 months ago) |
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iloveweed said: Colonized on rye grain. I let consolidate in quart sized jars for one week after full colonization. The spawn is vermiculite and coco coir.
The rye grain is the spawn, the substrate is coir/verm.
There is no need to let grains consolidate.....ever...You want to spawn young and vigorous mycellium, not slow and consolidated mycellium.
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iloveweed said: It is a 50/50 mix if my memory is correct.
How did you prepare the coir/verm.
What tek?
Did you sterilize it or pasteurize it?
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iloveweed said: I layered about an inch of spawn below and above the colonized substrate then kept trays covered with foil for one week before fruiting them.
Again, you are confusing spawn and substrate.
Coir/verm is the substrate, and the grains are spawn.
You should have mixed the grains evenly with the substrate, not layer it.
You keep them covered until they are fully colonized before fruiting, not just one week.
You want high co2 levels for colonization and lots of fresh air for fruiting.
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iloveweed said: I am worried about contams though!
If the substrate material was pasteurized, and the spawn was fully colonized, there should be no worry of contam.
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Re: 3rd grow attempt. Crossing my fingers on this one. [Re: iloveweed]
#18847812 - 09/16/13 06:13 AM (10 years, 5 months ago) |
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iloveweed said: I layered about an inch of spawn below and above the colonized substrate
This statement does not make sense to me
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Re: 3rd grow attempt. Crossing my fingers on this one. [Re: iloveweed]
#18847816 - 09/16/13 06:14 AM (10 years, 5 months ago) |
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iloveweed said: The Fae seems pretty good but I've only been able to keep humidity around 70%. I could have added another humidifier and I probably will next time. I've had one successful grow using a shotgun style terrarium and manually misting and fanning. This works better then that from both a humidity and Fae standpoint so I think I will be OK there. I am worried about contams though!
I think you would have been better off to just fruit these trays in a sgfc as well
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Re: 3rd grow attempt. Crossing my fingers on this one. [Re: Stromrider]
#18847818 - 09/16/13 06:15 AM (10 years, 5 months ago) |
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psillyshroomer said:
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iloveweed said: I layered about an inch of spawn below and above the colonized substrate
This statement does not make sense to me 
He is confusing spawn and substrate.
He meant the exact opposite.
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Re: 3rd grow attempt. Crossing my fingers on this one. [Re: PussyFart]
#18847821 - 09/16/13 06:17 AM (10 years, 5 months ago) |
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Notahacker420 said:
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psillyshroomer said:
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iloveweed said: I layered about an inch of spawn below and above the colonized substrate
This statement does not make sense to me 
He is confusing spawn and substrate.
He meant the exact opposite.
Yeah I got that after I read your post
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Re: 3rd grow attempt. Crossing my fingers on this one. [Re: Stromrider]
#18847832 - 09/16/13 06:24 AM (10 years, 5 months ago) |
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Sorry but I mixed up the terms spawn and substrate. Obvious newb here.. By layer I meant casing layer. Should have mixed substrate and spawn instead of layering it? I guess I didn't fully understand the casing layer concept but I thought I followed the tek correctly.
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Re: 3rd grow attempt. Crossing my fingers on this one. [Re: iloveweed]
#18847838 - 09/16/13 06:27 AM (10 years, 5 months ago) |
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You would let your substrate fully colonize and then apply a casing layer
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Re: 3rd grow attempt. Crossing my fingers on this one. [Re: PussyFart]
#18847840 - 09/16/13 06:28 AM (10 years, 5 months ago) |
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You don't need to let grains consolidate!? Well that's some dam good info thanks. I thought it made them more resistant to contams? That must be for different substrates? Thanks for your help I thought I knew a thing or two but apparently I have a lot to learn
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Re: 3rd grow attempt. Crossing my fingers on this one. [Re: PrinceShroom]
#18847848 - 09/16/13 06:33 AM (10 years, 5 months ago) |
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PrinceShroom said: You would let your substrate fully colonize and then apply a casing layer
Did you look at the ten I am using? It uses two casing layers. Please correct me if I'm wrong
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Re: 3rd grow attempt. Crossing my fingers on this one. [Re: iloveweed]
#18847851 - 09/16/13 06:35 AM (10 years, 5 months ago) |
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No need for a casing layer if you are growing cubes. Just mix your spawn and substrate and let it colonize
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Re: 3rd grow attempt. Crossing my fingers on this one. [Re: iloveweed]
#18847855 - 09/16/13 06:39 AM (10 years, 5 months ago) |
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iloveweed said: You don't need to let grains consolidate!? Well that's some dam good info thanks. I thought it made them more resistant to contams? That must be for different substrates? Thanks for your help I thought I knew a thing or two but apparently I have a lot to learn
Grains = no consolidation before spawning to substrate... pf cakes = let consolidate 1 week before birthing....
Using bulk substrate as a casing layer doesn't work because a casing layer is supposed to be NON nutritious.. coir is about as nutritious as poo..so don't use it for a casing.. a simple casing is straight verm, you just put a 1/4'' layer on top of your FULLY colonized substrate OR a better casing would be peat/verm/gypsum/and agricultural hydrated lime as a ph buffer. This will create the perfect micro-climate for you fruits...that being said...you don't need a casing for cubes.... you just don't..

This is how the surface of your substrate should look.
Edited by Nakor420 (09/16/13 06:41 AM)
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Re: 3rd grow attempt. Crossing my fingers on this one. [Re: Stromrider]
#18847858 - 09/16/13 06:41 AM (10 years, 5 months ago) |
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iloveweed said:
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PrinceShroom said: You would let your substrate fully colonize and then apply a casing layer
Did you look at the ten I am using? It uses two casing layers. Please correct me if I'm wrong
Thats just wrong you dont need two casing layers.
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psillyshroomer said: No need for a casing layer if you are growing cubes. Just mix your spawn and substrate and let it colonize 
un Yea unless your using straight grains a casing is unnecassary.
You only let cakes consolidate.
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Re: 3rd grow attempt. Crossing my fingers on this one. [Re: PrinceShroom]
#18847868 - 09/16/13 06:45 AM (10 years, 5 months ago) |
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PrinceShroom said:
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iloveweed said:
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PrinceShroom said: You would let your substrate fully colonize and then apply a casing layer
Did you look at the ten I am using? It uses two casing layers. Please correct me if I'm wrong
Thats just wrong you dont need two casing layers.
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psillyshroomer said: No need for a casing layer if you are growing cubes. Just mix your spawn and substrate and let it colonize 
un Yea unless your using straight grains a casing is unnecassary.
You only let cakes consolidate.
Yes I should have been more clear on that. Thanks for clearing that up. You earned 5 shrooms
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Re: 3rd grow attempt. Crossing my fingers on this one. [Re: Stromrider]
#18847872 - 09/16/13 06:47 AM (10 years, 5 months ago) |
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Op next time try using some more up to date teks like some of the ones in hackers sig
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