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st1llnox
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Re: Psychedelics and hearing voices [Re: KingKnowledge]
#18852405 - 09/17/13 05:10 AM (10 years, 4 months ago) |
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KingKnowledge said: NMDA site action is usually linked to PCP and the positive-schizophrenic side effects associated if that is any help 
Interesting and valuable input, especially as it addresses and abets the notion I had that mainstream psychiatry may be mistaken in thinking dopamine is solely responsible for the positive symptoms.
Thank you SOOO much for that input!
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Saeis
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Re: Psychedelics and hearing voices [Re: ILikeACID]
#18852408 - 09/17/13 05:13 AM (10 years, 4 months ago) |
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Gonna chime in and concur with what other people have said:
It's a bad idea to have her try psyhs, even mushies could be too much for her mind to handle.
I don't have schizophrenia, but I've hallucinated voices while tripping that grew louder and louder until my body jolted... I could imagine the same thing would happen to a much higher degree to someone who already hears voices.
Best advice would be to get her to a psychiatrist and at least attempt treatment. Schizophrenia is a possibility here, and you don't want to make it worse.
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st1llnox
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Re: Psychedelics and hearing voices [Re: Saeis]
#18852413 - 09/17/13 05:20 AM (10 years, 4 months ago) |
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Saeis said: Gonna chime in and concur with what other people have said:
It's a bad idea to have her try psyhs, even mushies could be too much for her mind to handle.
I don't have schizophrenia, but I've hallucinated voices while tripping that grew louder and louder until my body jolted... I could imagine the same thing would happen to a much higher degree to someone who already hears voices.
Best advice would be to get her to a psychiatrist and at least attempt treatment. Schizophrenia is a possibility here, and you don't want to make it worse.
She's already been in treatment for some time. I wasn't suggesting I'd possibly dose her, but I wanted to know (given what I read about LSD treatments for psychotic children in the 60s) if this is a potential last resort option.
Unfortunately, her treatment is failing her so as a few have done before her, she's turned to me for an outside, but well-educated, input.
My hunch about NMDA seems to be very much supported by some of the input here, which though I suspected this I hadn't actually seen before (the evidence supporting this). I've given her a practical suggestion for an adjunct pharmacological agent for the antipsychotic that has at least finally helped her a little bit, but I've told her not to act on this until she has her doctor on board and until he can make sure to monitor the rest of her treatment and general health with respect to my pharmacotherapy suggestion.
Thanks all for your input.
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circastes
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Re: Psychedelics and hearing voices [Re: st1llnox]
#18854065 - 09/17/13 03:30 PM (10 years, 4 months ago) |
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I wouldn't put down the antipsychotics too much. They work for positive symptoms to a degree, then they probably do some atrophy or something, but it's a brain you're trying to fix here, it's not as simple as introduce some molecule and its fixed. The brain is more complex than anything known, it's no surprise we have side effects etc. but those positive symptoms suck so I just take them and wait for the brain to heal, one day I'll be off them but a few years still...
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st1llnox
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Re: Psychedelics and hearing voices [Re: circastes]
#18854824 - 09/17/13 06:31 PM (10 years, 4 months ago) |
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circastes said: I wouldn't put down the antipsychotics too much. They work for positive symptoms to a degree, then they probably do some atrophy or something, but it's a brain you're trying to fix here, it's not as simple as introduce some molecule and its fixed. The brain is more complex than anything known, it's no surprise we have side effects etc. but those positive symptoms suck so I just take them and wait for the brain to heal, one day I'll be off them but a few years still...
Hey, I will admit I have large reason to be biased although I do think they're a bit more dangerous than we give them credit for.
If they can improve someone's quality of life, then GREAT!!!
And yeah, they have been shown to atrophy the brain but so has long-term therapeutic amphetamine use. My prescriptions right now? Adderall and Restoril PRN (Benzos too may cause some sort of brain damage, but I won't get in to why I'm taking them right now).
I met a woman in a psych ward who had been on Risperdal for 30+ years, literally, and she was sharp as a tack. She could name off about ever street address she'd ever had occasion to go to in her life, as well as seemed to remember about everyone and their relations to eachother.
She was a little forgetful and rambly, but it was very consistent and she repeated herself enough times that I recognized the more important addresses and people.
I wish you the best of luck, sir! May your treatment go well and I hope that better solutions continue to come out for you and others who are affected, and that you'll be able to successfully transition off of them in due course.
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