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    #18844859 - 09/15/13 02:47 PM (10 years, 4 months ago)

My guide and journal how to grow peyote and other lophophora cacti from seed.


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Hello fellow cactus enthusiasts. This is my first good success lophophora cultivation from seed.

I buy'd seeds as name of lophophora williamsii v. pentagona and v. koehresii. At the moment I don't know for sure what side there is what but I have sow them like the way that koehresii are at another side and pentagona are at another side.

Growing medium has been first sand, coconut coir, soil, perlite, pumice, and various rocks and small amount of crushed eggshells. I use 10Watt heating pad with timer and now they are under 125Watt fluoro light. First months till this months they has been getting random direct sun about 30minutes and living at table where window has given them shady but good place where is light.

First of all, I have never succeed so much what comes with germinating and keeping seedlings alive now when I use heating pad and miniature greenhouse.

This is the greenhouse I use. It has worked very good and when I buy'd it heating pad comes with the greenhouse. Lophophora tray are about 30cm x 20cm


I have done plastic tray myself where is growing medium about 3cm(+1inch) ..Later when seedlings has getting older at age of 3months or so, I have sow sand and some soil to surface of them. Also I have once sprayed very small amount of fertilized water with NPK value of 0-4-8 and once with nitrogen fertilizer. I use rain water to them and keep them now few days without spraying water at all and about once per week I give them water "shower" of rain water. I will grown these over winter under artificial lights and heat pad cause of sowing of seeds was late date and first dormancy they will going to get after 2014 season.

Temperatures inside the greenhouse are about +35-40C at day time, they got now 14hours day and 10hours night. I have moved them few days ago under 125Watt 2500K fluoro bulb cause of saving space.

I am trying to update there pictures every month or later when I see necessary I take pics and show close pics and pics from total. There has been few rotted seedlings and I don't have count them but as far as I see this project, it's going okay. They got last night(14th of September) rainwater spray after being dry for a while.

When winter comes, I turn probably these to some kind of small dormancy with still heat pad on but imitating the light cycle maybe dropping it to 10hours per day.. Possible 12/12hours light cycle and maybe before spring I keep them dry and shut down heat pad and keep them one month without water and heat, only giving short day like 10-12hours.. This is just a plan and doesn't know will I do that or do I give their first winter after summer of 2014. Possible drying these when they are over 6months and giving cold period without water for month ain't bad idea in my mind to imitate nature.. Also Probably next summer I show these direct sun light but only very small amount or filtered sun. But enough of it.. If project goes good as I have planned as it has been good project, I hope I get nice plants after next growing season.

There is littlebit over one year old peyote plants grown from my seeds with lack of water and fertilizers. These are very hard grown without any heat support and only two survivors from dozens of seeds. Now with heat pads "sudden rot deaths" has not happened actually so much, maybe one or two.

Actually some seedlings are as big as these one but they have not similar "adult" color on skin and these young ones tap root are 3-4cm long. Now these are growing above heat pad and will going to get their first dormant this winter. So for compare I have these specimens seed grown without any extra heat support and so on, button size is small but size of roots are fine and when I repot these, they had delightful tap root.

Wish me luck with this seedling tray!:eskimokiss:

There is first pics taken at 30th day of June.


These pictures are taken at 30th day of July.


Pics from 19th day of August. After these pics I have "sow" new soil to surface to support them.


And pictures I took today at 15th day of September. At this point I have sow big grain sand and fertile soil on top of the original soil. New layer are about 2-3mm thick and new soil has buried them good cause they was more or less columnar so it supports the young lophophoras.


Update is coming as "fast" as lophophora plants are growing. I have failed so many loph growing from seed so at least I know lots of what not to do when growing these. Later I will start to see difference more better between seedlings what are on the another side of container and what are on the another side. At the moment I don't know and it's not important to know where is v. koehresii and v. pentagona variants. I just know another side seedlings looks different than another side but later I know for sure what plant is koehresii and what is pentagona.

I possible write new posts instead of updating this single post, you are welcome to say comments on my project. I have also another tray above heat pad where I have sown peyote seeds from my own plants. But this thread is kind of a blog from my miniature greenhouse what imitating desert environment and I possible keep this plastic cup over the greenhouse long time.. there is hole what I can open and they are actually used to dry air little by little.
It's good to keep day heat on. Possible when these are older, I take this off after watering so humidity of air doesn't rise.. And keep this capturing heat only when there is dry environment. These are actually starting to used to dry soil and showers of water already, I probably start soon bottom watering after first totally dried soil.

At the moment, it's going good! I recommend cheap heating pads for growing lophophora from day one to two years or more. I have also experiment going on with adult arioarpus and peyote using heat pads for them cause probably cold climate growing requires some extra heat to success these plants survival. Last projects I have got has been difficult, many advice say it's good to spray surface of soil moist when it's drying but with that tek and my climate without heat pads, that kind of tek kill small cactus plants to rot so without heat pads in my climate and growing from seed, watering is more than tricky and never know after watering how many rotten seedlings there are in container.

Some of plants now seems to start take fine color what peyote should, also growth speed are nice compared to my previous attempts to grow peyote from seed.

What I have learned trough many mistakes, in cold climate cactus growing, without extra heat growth rate is very slow cause in worst case cactus has to be in dormancy over half of the year and especially growing from seed, do not underestimate low temperatures at day time.. It makes watering very hard..

So.. Later I post more pics, trying to post pictures from every month so you can see the growth rate in my miniature greenhouse desert what seems to work very good! Growth speed has been surprised me, these can take lots of water, plump up without rotting and I am waiting the day when I have peyote plants with color of adults. :bow2:

These equipments are very good for all cold climate peyote growers. Compared to price, these ain't even expensive, 10Watt heat pad is not consume electricity more than regular light bulb. My situation needs artificial lights but this can be done at windowsill as long as sun light is not burn seedlings.. For example north windowsill are good for giving light to young seedlings, or any windowsill are good as long as sun light is filtered.:thumbup:


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Re: Lophophora Cultivation from seed with mini-greenhouse and heating pad. [Blog style project going] [Re: intelligentlife] * 1
    #18845101 - 09/15/13 03:43 PM (10 years, 4 months ago)

Cool man, looking good. I also have some v. pentagona seeds but I haven't got around to sprouting them yet.


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Re: Lophophora Cultivation from seed with mini-greenhouse and heating pad. [Blog style project going] [Re: psi] * 1
    #18845285 - 09/15/13 04:42 PM (10 years, 4 months ago)

Is going very nice!!:smile:

Looking forward for the next months!


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    #18845565 - 09/15/13 05:57 PM (10 years, 4 months ago)

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Very nice indeed!

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Re: Lophophora Cultivation from seed with mini-greenhouse and heating pad. [Blog style project going] [Re: Nature Boy] * 1
    #18852839 - 09/17/13 09:31 AM (10 years, 4 months ago)

:congrats:

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Re: Lophophora Cultivation from seed with mini-greenhouse and heating pad. [Blog style project going] [Re: applesmasher420] * 1
    #18896786 - 09/27/13 12:00 AM (10 years, 4 months ago)

Update coming soon, posted accidentally this. :shrug:¨

Pics are taken at 27th day of September. Light cycle is now 13/11. I have reduced light cycle from 16/8 to 15/9, then 14/10 and now it's 13/11.. Mid-winter my plan is keep 10/14 light period and "dormant" them trough the way of light cycle they got. Same times gives light to and heat to many other cactus so these are living with them but under own fluoro light and own heat pad.

Take a look from my seedling tray, I keep now random watering, I have not watered these for many many days.. Age are between +3months or less than 3months, some of them has sprouted earlier and some later.

Anyone have idea what appearance seedlings are koehresii and what pentagona? Another are more fat and with small spines visible, another ones are more slim and small young spines are very very small or probably there are no good spines at all.. Only I know I have sow 50 seeds of each variant but different side of the tray. Feel free to comment what and possible just for fun try to guess what seedlings are what.. I will say probably next summer I have the answer what seedlings has been koehresii and what has been var. pentagona. I buy'd them both as lophophora williamsii variants but later I find out koehresii are lophophora diffusa or is it?
..Only I know koehresii can be find from nature between the williamsii and diffusa zones.:sun:

They seems to like my artificial desert environment! :dancer:



I just don't tell these they are from north of the arctic circle so they don't feel cold! :heart:

First time ever I have succeed loph growing from seed this way good! Learned trough mistakes.. Growth speed is quite fast and I keep dry and moist periods to these young plants. Probably I water these at next week to make sure none of these rot and I loooooove hard grown plants! Previous times I have tried to grow lophs from seed about 6-8 times, everyone I have failed except this, now I know for sure what not to do so it's good way to go!

Very exited to my self too with this and share my artificial desert from beginning to who knows how far.. Some of these are bigger than my one year old peyote plants but I doubt roots are not so big than my +1year old peyotes, also color of these ain't similar "adults" yet but they seems the color of skin start to turn more deep green slowly. I threat these like regular cactus now except they are inside the miniature greenhouse but I have all holes and doors open there, only plastic dome to keep heat inside.

Cause of I have sow koehresii seeds to another side and pentagona variant seeds to another side, now the difference between seedlings is visible but I still not know what is pentagona seedling appearance and what is koehresii.. Another side seedlings doesn't have so much small spines instead of another side plants are bigger and they have these cute small pines, I have found on plump up to surface after being underground cause of shrinking before new water shower with rain water or fertilized water. I have fertilized only once with 0-4-8 NPK. Small amount of neem and dimethoat used to keep pests away but very rarely, usually pure rain water is the water I have used.

Possible later I will show pics there from another seedling tray of lophophora but this tray is my priority tray where I took pics and update them to you so you can follow the growth speed and so on. Watering days I don't say cause I don't know for sure, I water when I am sure soil is dry enough.. These will survive in dry like now they are when I took pics.:thumbup:

Updates coming when I have time, cause seedlings grow fast, update rate is faster. Hope you want to see the process going on.:bow2:

I have make count that 50 loph.wil. var. koehresii and 50 loph.will. var. pentagona seeds are sown and now I have counted about 60-70 seedlings there so good germination rate cause aprox 5-10plants has died suddenly to rot, reason unknown..

Also I don't know do I have count one seedling two times or not and cause of I have add layer of sand and soil to surface, don't know do I have found every seedling from the tray. As you can see from one picture, there is one seedling only very small tip visible at soil level and there if few of them buried and they shrink below soil after + one week dry period but plump nicely above the soil.

Light spectrum coloration is 2700K Planned to use 2700K+6400K bulbs but now I have only one 2700K bulb big enough to give light, my bulb patter with both colorations and 76Watt of power is hard to adjust for these.. I don't see still it's bad that light spectrum is 2700K, cause overall I want to these think it's winter and growth has to be go slow even I use heat pads but day lenght will be shorter than night to imitate summer and drop the average day temperature for seedlings by that way.


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Re: Lophophora Cultivation from seed with mini-greenhouse and heating pad. [Blog style project going] [Re: intelligentlife] * 1
    #18905278 - 09/29/13 12:30 AM (10 years, 4 months ago)

Actually pic on my last post. There is ~2weeks without watering so I keep them long time without water. Just water yesterday evening before lights and heaters shut down these babies.:tongue2:

Winter is coming, heat pad using I turn to 10/14 or 12/12 cycle, I let them know it's winter and probably let them dehydrate.. But in 2weeks time, I have not seen visible dehydration. Tough cacti!:thumbup:


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Re: Lophophora Cultivation from seed with mini-greenhouse and heating pad. [Blog style project going] [Re: intelligentlife] * 1
    #18906912 - 09/29/13 12:17 PM (10 years, 4 months ago)

They look really happy!!! The soil mix you are using looks perfect

How long will you let them grow before you separate and repot them?


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    #18907162 - 09/29/13 01:29 PM (10 years, 4 months ago)

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weilii-coyote said:
They look really happy!!! The soil mix you are using looks perfect

How long will you let them grow before you separate and repot them?




As long as they have epidermis like adult ones.. At 3months of age, I give them 2weeks or 1week between watering. They are still under the plastic dome, humidity rise when I give so much rain water shower that water comes out from bottom.

I have used lots of different ingredients to make soil mixture without further thinking, I just "know" what is okay soil to do. Later I have add layers of fertile soil and sand over the layer where I have sow seeds.

Actually there are all of these at list below at the moment as soil, but I have not add everything at once and some ingredients are used to make new top layer after 2months.

These I have used:
-cactus soil (sown to surface after seedlings are "old" enough just in case this contains fertilizers)
-crushed and dried chicken egg shells (very small amount)
-pumicide (volcanic rock, major component)
-various rocks almost everything from outdoors
-expanded clay aggregate (major component)
-big grain sand (this has been there all the time and later I have sown more of this to surface with cactus soil)
-coconut coir (enough to hold moisture)
-perlite (major component)

Majority of the soil is expanded clay aggregate, coconut coir and pumicide and rest of these are randomly add to mixture.

Every time I give lots of spraying water to surface of soil, the cactus soil will go deeper between the rocks and same time makes soil mixture fertile. Once I have sprayed 0-4-8 NPK fertilizer. Now I let whole soil dry before new big amount of water and seedlings are at +35-40C temperature at day.

After every watering the soil surface will "change" by the way that layers will mix more and more and fertile top layer soil will fertilize the plants.

I have planned to keep dry season for them at mid winter, maybe cold one.. Possible they are at spring big enough and not looking anymore like fragile seedlings so then I can keep one or two months dry without heating pad and then at summer I start again growth season, also light periods I planned to change for winter to 10-12hours(maybe 8hours) per day.. Another option is that I just grow them over the winter and next summer and give first winter to them when I have separated the koehresii and pentagona to their own pots. This takes time before I can ID what side is growing koehresii.. I think I don't need to wait till flowering cause they looks at the moment different. Another side seedlings are bigger, round and have "spines" ..another side seedlings are actually almost without no spines at all and more smaller what I suspect to be koehresii. There is at middle point where these two are mixed together but it doesn't matter, in year or two I can separate koehresii and pentagona peyote separately.

Before that, I just grow them in this tray and wait that they are really good size enough and have good roots before I transplant anything. Transplanting causes only stress to plants and probably I loss some this age lophs to rot when moving so I am waiting enough. At this time I post monthly update from this same tray and possible later after transplant when I know what side of the tray koehresii are I transplant them and start showing pics from two trays.

I have under project small peyote, small diffusa and waiting trichocereus seeds too in mail to get some trichocereus peruviana plants to grow too.. But this thread is focused only for this tray and the life line of these lophophora plants. Hope I can give you guys a year or two time line of lophophora growing by taking pics from the tray where they grow. This is fun operation to me and some good information to someone who needs or want to look the growth speed of lophophora cactus.

Now only ~3months are passed but I try to report if I remember every periods of dry and how long they has been on dry and hot conditions.. I have never kept totally closed plastic dome even at the time when I have start to germinate seeds in the miniature greenhouse had holes at the side of the actual plastic dome what captures heat and humidity. I have managed to keep the humidity high enough to success lophophora germination even sometimes soil surface has dried but first two months when it dries I have sprayed water to keep soil humid.

Actually by letting air flow and using plastic dome where are holes already even when germinating it has help possible to keep mold away, at first two months soil surface has gone dry and new spray of water at their first weeks has make an effect that more seeds has germinated and after new watering I have find out new sprouting from the soil.

I am very hopeful with this, first time using heat pads and this is the way I like to go cause in my climate there is serious lack of heat present and germinating lophophora at temperatures when days are hot and nights are cool gives benefit. If not count the plastic dome above the seedling tray, I treat these like adult cactus but don't fertilize them like adults. They got new water shower every two week what I have seen it's "safe" time period to avoid rotting with watering. Also some shriking doesn't matter at all anymore, they are fine good size plants for their age and I like to go hard grown way by keeping dry periods at this age but not so long dry periods what they can survive in their natural habitat..

Lophophora are very good cactus and actually with heat pad and miniature greenhouse, easy to grow and they will do very good at young age even they don't get water for long time. For example I watered these yesterday for good again and before that was 2week time period without any water given to them at all. I have read somewhere that 50days old seedling can survive ~10days without water and 100days old seedling survive without water over ~50days and so on in case of day time is hot anyway. Anyway, these has got their first 2week dry period at age of below 3months and in the pitures there is not any signs of dehydration visible. I meant my last update, picture is taken when they has been 2weeks without water and seems very plump up still. However, my daytime to these seedlings are now 13hours with extra heat and 11hours night and no extra heat and possible I turn it to 12/12 to keep them over winter. When summer comes, I start to give longer days to these and midsummer ofc they got 24hour light per day cause there is no sunset at midsummer..

I hope this project will success without problems and can I can offer nice information with "time lapse" photos so it's good information of growth speed of lophophora.


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Re: Lophophora Cultivation from seed with mini-greenhouse and heating pad. [Blog style project going] [Re: intelligentlife] * 1
    #18934451 - 10/05/13 02:25 AM (10 years, 3 months ago)

Update.

Day is 5th of October to these pictures. Just took few photos from these. One seedling has show it's weakness and rot. It doesn't deserve to live, not good tolerance enough :lol:

I have also add very small amount of fertile cactus soil to surface so after every water shower small amount of nutrients and fertilizers will mix to the soil. I watered these 8 days ago with strong shower of water cause soil was over week ago bone dry.

There is some pics.

I took pics from left and right side of tray and attach them together to get more wide picture and every seedlings is visible ofc


Some pics with text written to picture


Random pictures




Maybe too early update and actually growth cannot be seen, but cause of one weak one rotted, also variegata suspect seedling and one what has spent some time under soil and I found it, I think to update some.

As I have write to picture, weak genetics doesn't survive and rotted seedling was just one what doesn't have enough tolerance to water. Instead seedlings around it and seedlings in the tray has not show signs of over watering. I think it's natural selection and only best genetics have chance to grow to adult cactus plants.:dancer:

Seedlings what rot and another are in good shape, in my mind this kind of weak genetics doesn't deserve to live. I removed carefully rotten seedling away and arrange funeral so big that whole nation cry and this day is international sorrow day, also trance party arranged to memory of the lost cactus lasts 6days! AAWW YEEAH!.... :headbang: :rockon:

NOES! fuk it! ..I throw it to compost tray and don't give a shit about one small bad genetic seedling! Cause everyone in my small desert environment lophophora community live their happy life and actually maturing day by day, month after month, year after year.. :pipesmoke:


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    #19012432 - 10/22/13 07:47 AM (10 years, 3 months ago)

Some update..

Seedlings starting to show some fine epidermis coloration. Last time watering I lost about 20 seedlings to rot.. They was not so tolerant or something, I have not watered so much amounts of water cause the big watering caused abut 1/3 of the seedlings rot. These are survivors left. Pictures are taken at 22th day of October.




These are seedlings survived and many indeed rotted to my big watering after last update.. I have now keep them without water or watered very small amounts directly to the base of seedlings and small spraying. I let them shrink good before water again. Still last watering killed almost that 2/3 of seedlings...
In my mind seedlings what died they are not deserve to keep on living if they cannot manage water at that age so much... Well I keep going update this..
Seedlings starting to take new coloration to skin.. :dancer:


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    #19084045 - 11/04/13 02:37 AM (10 years, 2 months ago)

Some update.

4th of November. Light and heating cycle is going at 12/12 hour.

I took some pictures from tray, seedlings starting to show some signs of maturing little by little.:yesnod:



So these are soon about 5 month old. I have reduce watering and let the young ones spent time in dry for weeks, today I sprayed small amount of water for them.

Some seedlings have starting to show rib formation and epidermis starts to go more darker color. They are under 125W 2700K fluoro light. I probably give first (filtered)sun light for these next summer or so.

From 100 seeds sow, now there is about 45 seedlings alive. Mass death happens some time ago when I water maybe too much or something, but still I have these survivors going on and seems good. I have hold on watering on purpose to imitate some winter time for these young ones.

I hope I have good size young lophophora next summer, difference is starting to see now... but I still don't know what side is koehresii and what is regular williamsii v. "pentagona" ...I think I have idea what is koehresii but that will find out later what side of the tray are koehresii lophs. Probably age of 1year at next summer I repot these youngsters to own pots. One seedling seems to be variagate, very pale colored compared to another, except tip of it are pale-green. Well.. I can confirm that later. :awesome:


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    #19084122 - 11/04/13 03:54 AM (10 years, 2 months ago)

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    #19087160 - 11/04/13 07:57 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

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    #19130305 - 11/13/13 08:20 AM (10 years, 2 months ago)

13th of November it is! I actually water spray today these seedlings in tray and think myself to add some photos here also.

I moved these under stronger light environment and also take plastic dome away from them. I have start to see difference of seedlings and I am almost sure the smaller seedlings on another side are l. koehresii and bigger and more deeper color with small visible ribs are possible l. williamsii pentagona

Seedlings are now roughly 5month old. I can't upload all photos from them. Some seedlings are very shriveled and small and almost hiding or possible germinated very late. I take upload photos from biggest seedlings in tray. Also I have start to suspect I may have one variegate seedling there and it's marked to pictures to yellow circle.

I am not sure is there one variegate cactus or not but coloring is not same than all other seedlings.

There are sum pics taken from possible "pentagona" side of tray:


I suspect this side is koehresii seedlings with one possible variegate marked to picture:


These should be then lophophora williamsii v. pentagona, some rib formation can be seen from seedlings this side of tray:


My suspects of loph. koehresii are based to appearance of seedlings cause one side seedlings are obviously smaller and another side are bigger and ribs are starting to be visible. Well.. That will be later more visible when these starts to take more adult appearance. Only thing I know I have sow 50 l. koehresii and 50 l.w. pentagona seeds to tray and I have not mixed them. Both are sown to different side of tray but I have forget what side is what.. :lol:

Seedlings are anyway doing good! I can really see heating mat with mini-greenhouse are worth of money! :dancer:
..my climate is not so good to grow cacti from seed without excess heat from bottom anyway, too cold or cool temperature over year.. Also night and day temperature change seems to benefit especially lophophora seedlings.:thumbup:

Well, there is the update then.. I probably make updating cycle more longer, anyway, I was bored so I think to photograph this tray and upload some pics.
Any comments about discolored seedling?
..can it be possibly some sort of variegate?
all other seedlings have normal coloration except that one marked in picture.. it's very pale and I have not seen similar loph seedling in my trays.. I have more seedling trays but this is only I keep "blog" there from day one to unknown date.


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    #19173980 - 11/22/13 08:10 AM (10 years, 2 months ago)

Some update. I need to get seedlings away from tray cause I find out there was too packed soil.

Anyway, I used regular spoon to get seedlings away without causing damage to fragile roots.


Then I take clay pot and mixed new growing medium from perlite, coco coir and pumicide. Planted seedlings carefully and then add small layer of pumidice and other rocks to top.


Close up photo. Seedlings has plump up cause new growing medium is better and I dare to water them better without fear of root rot. These are now 5months old or so.


So. I have now all lophs grows mixed in one pot. I transplant seedlings to new pot at 18th day so they have been on their new pot now 4 days. I succeed at transplanting and not a single seedling died cause of it. They had good root system but I hope now when pot is more deeper and better drainage these can grow better roots. I think I grow these as crowded long time from now on. My plan was transplant these at next summer but as I said I find out old soil was just too packed and it doesn't had good drainage.


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    #19234922 - 12/06/13 02:13 AM (10 years, 1 month ago)

6th day of December.

Plants has been adjusted to their new clay pot. I have kept this pot above heat pad and used airy plastic dome to keep heat but humidity doesn't stay in there so much.

Anyway, there are some close shot pics etc from lohpophora mixture pot. There has been deaths along seedlings but it proofs only the best of seedlings has survived to this day! :dancer:



I done approx count of plants what was little bit under 40 lophophora are now alive from 100 seeds. Germination rate was good but I have lost to rot some plants or some of them has just died.

Plants seems to love their new growing medium what is not anymore goes packed so much! Yesterday I give some water shower for them after 2 weeks of drought.


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    #19234969 - 12/06/13 02:29 AM (10 years, 1 month ago)

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    #19234995 - 12/06/13 02:47 AM (10 years, 1 month ago)

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    #19331761 - 12/27/13 05:05 AM (10 years, 1 month ago)

Update from the day 27th of december..
Lophs have been officially without any humidity dome some time now.. ~1month

Almost month lasting drought are very visible now!

Epiermis is very cool, dark green and these were very shrink and some of the plants seems they are almost hide somewhere in the pot.

Pic 1


Pic 2


Two pics taken with flashlight few hour later.. It's easier to see smallest seedlings in pot in pics. These starts to look like adult ones from epidermis. <3

No doubt I start using long drought periods even at summer to get plant size very compact and skin appearance close to "perfect" ..in order to just grow ornamental plants as priority.

These are very dehydrated but ok.. I give these good water shower, I will see later when they plump up again.

Age of seedlings are +6months now. Going good. I was on the road 2 weeks and no one has care of my seedlings but I don't see any problems, seems they are better to leave alone. :lol:

I can update some pics when these plump up some.. Now they are hard to photograph because they're shrink between rocks etc..:awesome:

I achieved same size and appearance in 6months compared to +12months old peyote grown without heating pad and constant lack of water present. I strongly suggest to use good (and cheap) heating equipment to mimic desert environment to cacti. They simply tolerate lots of water when temperatures vary similar to desert environments. :thumbup:

I can strongly suggest to indoor peyote(or tricho as well) to obtain timer and heating pad, light can be got from windowsill. Just add a timer to control day-night time temperature changes.:headbang:


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    #19333013 - 12/27/13 01:26 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

:congrats: Keep up the good work!!!

Have you had success grafting any of the seedlings?


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    #19333121 - 12/27/13 02:02 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

I like your style intelligentlife. Seems you know the key to keeping cacti compact. They grow to be beautiful babies. :awebig:


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    #19333181 - 12/27/13 02:23 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

This is grafted, got root rot. First success to pereskiopsis.

Because of rot I decided to graft and when I get back home from trip I see scion is growing atm

I would not want to graft these more, mostly I have tried to grafting to seedlings what have basically "died" to rotting root. Only toughest have been basically survived..

I have few lophophora trays where is williamsii, diffusa, koehresii etc.. One is mostly full of diffusa, another tray is full of williamsii but I have throw few koehresii to both trays..

These plants are l. williamsii and l. koehresii mixed together.. I will see later from size and ribs what is koehresii and what is williamsii so I can separate them.. I just want to let them grow crowded and ID the plants separately later.. I have limited amount of space anyway and these are basically for decoration and hobby..

Anyway, it has cross my mind I probably graft peyotes only and then try to get as much as possible grafted active plants and maybe test out the potency of grafted one. I'm interested of plants grafted on permanent stock.. They can be harvested and let them produce offshoots. It will take it's own time but after year or two and enough of tricho/blue myrtle/etc stocks and peyote scions, I think I'm able to produce a plants I can harvest as well.. I slowly increase my grafted peyote amount. Maybe test out ingestion of grafted grown after few years when they produce enough mass.

I can buy relatively cheap small peyote cactus plants and graft them to columnars.. Then just wait and when scion is big enough, I think to cut top off and let it offshoot by leaving some behind.

But my point with this is not ingestion at all. Loph on pereskiopsis at picture are probably koehresii saved from root rot and succeed to attach woody pereskiosis. By growing peyote without pereskiopsis and probably harvest some, it's just my way I want to do it, low maintenance growing but faster than own root plant.:sunny:

Because of injury of another hand, I have difficulties to handle so small scions and stocks what pereskiopsis grafts need, easier way is just to buy cheap amount of young below 1cm diameter seedlings and start grafting them to trichocereus or anykind of faster plant. I have plant to start pereskiopsis graft farm with peyote but I need to invent a tek how I can do it.. I have seriously injured another hand so it's tricky with them.. Only way I can see pereskiopsis worth of it I graft later scion to permanent stock to let it grow slower but way more bigger.:lol:


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    #19333341 - 12/27/13 03:12 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

Far out man!I guess we all know what your favorite type of plants are:awethumb:


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    #19335755 - 12/28/13 06:30 AM (10 years, 1 month ago)

I just took photo from plants, they seems they like water shower I give them yesterday, smallest lophs have been risen to surface and are easier to detect now.:thumbup:

Sorry about second picture, it's not focused where I wanted but there can be seen how plants have been stretch between rocks to surface.

Nothing much, I think these drink few days before they are full plump up.. And then I let the shrink back to small again.. :awesome:

Next summer these will going to have some occasional direct sun also..:sun:


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    #19403319 - 01/11/14 11:15 AM (10 years, 20 days ago)

Some update. Pics taken at 11th of January 2014

I haven't watered them since last update. They stay plump up about 8-9days and now they're little bit shrink but I just don't want to water these.. Need to wait till they starts to shrink more!

From 100 seeds sown, after one too big flood to bad growing medium what wipe out most of rot prone specimens, there are now the "survivors" everyone in one pot. Next watering will be with some fertilizers..

Pics:


I think I hold watering week or two more t complete full one month without water.. These are still some plump up even they're not anymore so firm than week ago. Also beautiful color have come back by holding the water from plants. :pipesmoke:

Nothing much more with this update tho. just wanted to share some pics for you.. These have some grey coloration with maturing epidermis visible.. And I use only shit fluoro lights, 2700K and 6500K color temperature.

There is still one someway discolored very small seedling, can you spot it?
I'm not sure is there variagate or just common discoloration what turns normal. Time will tell..

Next watering will be fertilized.. and long drought before summer.. So when first hot temperatures hit, I can water very thirsty plants for good! :gangsta:

These are just looking very cute when kept long drought between watering.. :strokebeard:


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    #19403464 - 01/11/14 11:52 AM (10 years, 20 days ago)

I like how you said" when first hot temperature hits" .

Whats the hottest its ever gotten? Enlighten me intelligent.


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    #19403826 - 01/11/14 01:16 PM (10 years, 20 days ago)

Quote:

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I like how you said" when first hot temperature hits" .

Whats the hottest its ever gotten? Enlighten me intelligent.


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Last summer was ~20 days of +30-32C temperatures.

Commonly cloudy rain day are +8-15C.. Thunder rain can be +20C

If it's not "hot" but normal shiny day ad wind doesn't blow from north typically temperatures are around +18-25C or so.

Even I am far away at north.. There is warm because eastern atlantic ocean current are warm always. there are rarely wind from north at summer.. Winter happens polar vortex winds what can hit there(this year they seems to hit states...

Anyway, sahara desert at equator and africa coast heat eastern atlantic and that warm current allow us very mild weather compared to I'm above arctic circle.

Whole north europe is basically warm beause of that ocean current and it keeps also arctic sea year around open.. If you know city of Murmansk in Russia, they have harbor where water never freeze at ocean beause of that current and we benefit from it also.

If High pressure air hit there and stay above us like last summer happened.. We had long time +30C temps at May..

Instead of summer 2012 was so mild not even all native plants have time to bloom.. basically spring changed directly to fall.. Shortest summe I've ever seen was 2012.. And 2013 hottest.. 300km north from there measured +32C at end of May and this kind of temps have never been measured in history so north..

So.. There is sub-arctic climate..


There are some statistics.. about my climate. But past few year have not been like statistics.. Climate is totally different than it have been in the past. There is more warmer and longer summer in general.. I will wait and see what kind of 2014 summer are going to be.. If it's like 2013, it's hard time for native wild life.. Arctic wildlife are very slowly recovering and few degree average increase can wipe out lots of endangered species of plants there. Also trees are there about 6-8meter tall maximum.. But without east atlantic warm current and heating effect of africa, this part of the world would more way more colder..  I'm just worried about climate change reported to happen over few years now.. More easily it can be seen there..:rolleyes:

Some small information: Days are getting longer/shorter 6-7minutes/day.. about 1hour/week.. Mid-summer there is no night and day last 2months before first dark times comes.. then starts to come frosts with dark also. Winter is opposite.. 2months long depressive darkness with 1hour of dusk at mid-winter.:tongue2:


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    #19404137 - 01/11/14 02:29 PM (10 years, 19 days ago)

I did a converison on 32 celcius and thats pretty hot.

Off topic but do you get depressed when there is no sun?


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    #19404264 - 01/11/14 03:01 PM (10 years, 19 days ago)

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I did a converison on 32 celcius and thats pretty hot.

Off topic but do you get depressed when there is no sun?




Holy crap ferrel,I'm suffering from mild depression from the lack of sun right now,and My sister and I were just discussing this!


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    #19404323 - 01/11/14 03:14 PM (10 years, 19 days ago)

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I did a converison on 32 celcius and thats pretty hot.

Off topic but do you get depressed when there is no sun?




It's common, come visit me at mid-winter and spent one month in darkness and cold.. It's depressing and brain chemistry changes when eyes doesn't receive sun or bright light.

But the glory and joy when first good sun rays starts to shine, you never forget it! Also summer when it's never dark, sun shines from north at mid-night etc..

Common depression over winter around there is scientifically proven thing, people feel more tired because lack of light brains are full of melatonin hormone, and also human is day living mammal. Constant feeling of dark and no sun causes depression and tired feeling.. It will effect your mind trust me...

I don't say strong lights help things out but mentally, there need to be adjusted but it's so hard.. Because of tough winters, there are celebrated mid-summer widely, mid-summer are holiday there, it's important day for people there..

Anyway, about depression at winter time, it's very normal if you're in the dark and cold months and months, it's getting very hard, depression comes and fatigue follows..

I can sleep 20hours directly over one day at winter, human system are so complex.. But when your eyes doesn't have used to sunshine for months, it will effect you, and when you starts to see sun, the joy and glory is very nice, also the times when snow starts smelting, sun shines more and more higher and so on, first hot day and everything, then it's worth of it.. and you don't even remember whole dark winter nor care about it... Seem everyone "woke up" and got some buzz when summer is coming.. People more around, talk, have fun etc..

You should basically experience whole year in arctic, from fall to next fall, you can experience coming winter, long dark winter, fast coming spring, sudden summer, 2months long day, fall, late fall and winter again... Then you can feel the coming depression of fall and mood light of spring.. It's hard to explain but everyone depress because sun disappear or day's get too short.:lol:

There is dramatically vary from winter to summer.. Summer max can me around +30C hot and dry.. And winter minimum can go to -40C... Afaik -42C=-42F, is it? or some close number?

Now it's very funny outdoors, every hour temperature vary from -22C to -34C now.. Odd.


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    #19404731 - 01/11/14 04:50 PM (10 years, 19 days ago)

Oh I forgot to add update photo from one seedling from this patch I have grafted to pereskiopsis and saved from root rot.

Root rot cactus was mutilated and now it's a funny mudstick... :dancer:


First photo taken at 12/27/2013 and second at 01/11/2014..

Even this is not part of this thread but some comparsion.. Graft have been done somewhere at beginning of December or something, don't remember correctly because this was just experiment and accidentally succeed graft.. :gangsta:

I can update this root rot saved specimen grafted after 5months of growth, it rotted slowly and basically I had no choice than try graft what succeed..

Hope I see how big button I ca grow from this, then degraft or keep attached to pereskiopsis and use this as mother plant when pollinating fricii or koehresii.. Assuming this is koehresii what I will find out fast. :dawerp:


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    #19405015 - 01/11/14 06:01 PM (10 years, 19 days ago)

I like that 8ne man, I want to graft my alberto vojtechii buttons but I got now stock.


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    #19431569 - 01/17/14 01:33 AM (10 years, 14 days ago)

17th of January.
Quick update, want to show picture about plants plump up a bit.

3days after shower of fertilized water.



I suspect there is one variegate coming! Maybe? I can't be sure yet but seems it's not like another seedlings what comes coloration of epidermis, not sure yet tho. :sunny:


Project going good even I have lost almost half of the plants to rot.. Well they was not strong enough anyway for me then.:lol:

I have increase day time few hours, seedling pot are standing above heat mat and they have been adjusted to dry air now for few weeks. End of the month they reach age of 7 months or so.


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    #19431618 - 01/17/14 01:45 AM (10 years, 14 days ago)

There is always some safety in numbers :tongue2: 

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Looking good, IL. :thumbup:


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    #19500178 - 01/31/14 07:44 AM (10 years, 5 hours ago)

Good work, i just done the same thing,waiting for first greens.


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    #19524294 - 02/05/14 09:07 AM (9 years, 11 months ago)

Some update.. Pictures from 5th day of February.

Plants are now under small fluoro tube and I'm waiting day time light getting longer so I can add these to windowsill soon.. These are watered 1,5weeks ago but still appearance is kinda plumped.



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    #19564515 - 02/14/14 01:58 AM (9 years, 11 months ago)

It's valentine's day..14th of February. Some different updates about.
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I am pretty confidence I have one variegate lohp.. This is clearly discolored one. :inlove3:

I would like to graft this but I don't trust my skills to risk this.:eskimokiss:

Pereskiopsis graft update from root rot saved lophophopra from this patch


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    #19574449 - 02/16/14 11:41 AM (9 years, 11 months ago)

Great thread mate! Im going to go through this thread when I get the chance tonight. Im getting ready for my first 'from seed' grow…

Ive been storing the seeds for about six months in a dark container, the seed were found in various tuffs of hair on the original peyote plant.

I recently went out and bought some local made cactus soil and pot.

I was wondering if I'm taking the right steps though.

1. Put soil in pot.
2.Pat seeds into surface of soil
3. Put aquarium or granite rock chipping on surface.
4. Put soil/pot into plastic container to create green house effect?

Do I need to let the seeds breath from the green house at anytime?

Watering?

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    #19578225 - 02/17/14 04:32 AM (9 years, 11 months ago)

To avoid mold I would not use any organic material first.

Also more seeds have age, harder they are to germinate, also heating from below help germination.

I suggest just to use coco coir, perlite and pumicide&rocks. Nothing more, that kind of growing medium doesn't mold. Fertlizers can be add trough water spray later, rest minerals cactus will have from small rocks under the soil.

It goes basically like you said, add tray inside plastic dome what capture heat and humidity. High temperature from heat mat helps heat stay in and it will mimic desert climate with hot days and cool nights.

So you just add growing medium to pot. Then:
-Soak the growing medium for good, moist but not wet.
-Sow seeds on top of soil(don't bury) and forget them there.
-Add your pot inside of somekind plastic transparent dome with drainage holes at top and below.
-Use heat mat if possible with timer, day time on, night time off.

And yes you can open the humid dome daily basis if you want, there is no harm if most of the time dome is above the seedlings and small amount of time away. My plants are at the moment above heat mat and under fluoro light and I have not used humid dome for long time for them. I my watering cycle is 2-3weeks at the moment.

Holes at top and heating mat causes passive air circulation, hot air always rise up and if there is small holes, it causes air circulation.

I would avoid organic material and use liquid fertilizers and add organic material on after first transplant when your peyote plants have dry and moist seasons. Later on after watering, you don't need a plastic dome. But otherwise when it's dry you can use "mini-greenhouse" with heat mat to capture heat and let cactus enjoy.

If you are going to use organic soil, keep it in microwave for one minute or more before you use it, it's very likely soil have mold, that's why I like to use only rock and coco coir with perlite.

You can later on see when transplanting your seedlings are literally attached to small rocks and perlite with roots. Also peyote doesn't actually need hardly any organic material in soil, you can give fertilizers naturally comes from decaying organic material by using common cactus fertilizer with small dosages. Fertilizers can cause moss above rocky surface but it doesn't cause harm to seedlings.

More I would worry old seedlings, one year old seeds can germinate good but later on when they are older, it's more likely seeds doesn't germinate.

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Few photos for fun, 17th day of February.. Takes quite long time after watering before these seedlings plump up like this.


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    #19638065 - 03/02/14 03:04 AM (9 years, 10 months ago)

Pics from today.

2nd day of March.

I think after summer, koehresii and williamsii can be seen and separated to their own pots after this pot is starts to go too small.


I have taken the discolored seedling and grafted it to pereskiopsis.. I hope it starts to grow on top of it so I can see is it really variegate type.. If so, I hope it attach and I can grow it as grafted and maybe degraft after it's getting bigger. I show pics later from that graft, if it have success..:tongue2:

This is gone ok but survival rate of seedlings was ~30% ..from 100 seeds I have these ~30seedlings(including grafted ones)

Well, toughest and most water tolerant ones have survived.. I hope my another projects go better with lophophora, lessons learned. I have spot out two head seedling growing in another tray full of peyote. :smirk:


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    #19638356 - 03/02/14 06:23 AM (9 years, 10 months ago)

your lophs are gorgeous. I use a very similar method when germinating cacti from seed. I find nothing works like a good ole heating pad and a ziploc container.


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    #19674904 - 03/10/14 05:38 AM (9 years, 10 months ago)

Introducing some spring sun for my plants, soon about 9months old. These haven't got a drink of water for a while.

10th of March




I think to keep these in drought week more, giving some sun and next period of sunny weather, I water these :sun:


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    #19674922 - 03/10/14 05:52 AM (9 years, 10 months ago)

They are beautiful! :awetongue:

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    #19684793 - 03/12/14 09:20 AM (9 years, 10 months ago)

Story from koehresii what got root rot from this patch! There is much of luck and not luck at all during time of this specimen. Now it's on it's journey back to own roots! :lol:

12/27/2013 (Suddenly I realize my first graft have attached!)


01/03/2014 (Growing...)


01/11/2014 (After this I forgot to take pics for long time)


03/12/2014 (I remember to take picture!)


When I was taking pics from other grafts, I accidentally hit my camera to scion, drop off! (Well, got my self a cutting)


Waiting to dry and then I plant it sit on the shady windowsill and wait this button starts to grow roots. Then I have root rot, grafted, degrafted l. koehresii growing on it's own root again!

I probably can later plant this among each other to pot where all this date sow lophs spent time!


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    #19718955 - 03/19/14 02:34 PM (9 years, 10 months ago)

19th day of March.

Plants have been enjoyed windowsill light and occasional sun about 10days now and taking some tan. I watered these few days ago first time after I have moved these to environment where all adult plants are. :smile:

All lophophoras taken some tan from evening direct sun


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    #19754077 - 03/27/14 06:37 AM (9 years, 10 months ago)

27th of March. I just took picture same time I took photos from flowers :smile:

I have started watering from bottom for these, before I just sprayed so much water from top and let excess come out from below, not I dip the pot to water like I do for adults.

I see occasional direct sun light have done wonders and color of the plants is just:Awemazing:

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    #19771974 - 03/31/14 06:32 AM (9 years, 9 months ago)

I decided for fun to take pics at close range, haven't done that for a while.

Pics are Taken at 31st day of March




I like some lime-green coloration and also very deep gray, also those bluish one are beautiful.. Sun have done wonders for these.. Also these "suffer" from drought also. I haven't watered even I have think I water, just purposely keep them dry, it's hot and sunny.. Soon I dip this pot to pool of water and let soil soak totally.. I randomly water these by dip pot to pool of water or just spray so much water to these plants skin excess water comes out from drainage hole.

Soon I know and can ID what cactus is williamsii and what is koehresii.. Even this age so far, I see there is different looking ones but can't say what is williamsii. Few williamsii I can ID but there are most of the plants I am not sure about is it koehresii or williamsii.. :gangsta:

Well, nothing more, just some close accurate photos, as accurate as my old cellphone camera allow me to take.

Few pics was blurry and I deleted them, but I tried to take pics almost every spot of the pot from close range.


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    #19827980 - 04/11/14 11:34 AM (9 years, 9 months ago)

I was today in good mood and took pics and look this pot of lophs..

They are totally grown, few plants have started to get in touch with lophs next to them.

I tried to took close up photos from randomly.. My camera is old cellphone camera with digital zoom so I can't use much of a zoom without ruining quality of pics.

11th day of April 2014

Whole pot of lophs at picture below. I am starting to see some ID already from few plants what is williamsii and what is koehresii, but I let these grow together enough time.. Lophs seems to like grow as crowded


Pics from top angle:




Pics from different angle:




Biggest plant diameter is 1,5cm, then few 0,9-1,4cm.. average diameter is somewhere at 1cm..

I am kinda satisfied to speed of growth. 1,5cm peyote cactus button under one year.

Next watering going to be after I see plants starts to shrink. At beginning of month I dip this pot to pool of water, these can take now more longer time before they even starts to shrink. Plants stays firm kinda long time and behave like adults.. also they have been few weeks enjoying spring sun and can take it good. Ofc these got shade from  bigger columns and only have direct evening sun.. So far, none of these have got sunburn and seems sun have done only good for these, it's very nice to see they have starting to take their own forms and so on.

Next winter is going to be first winter for these.. If I can ID williamsii separate from koehresii before winter, I probably do it before season of 2015 starts. Before I can't ID all williamsii, I grow these in this pot, I have no rush to transplant these anyways.. I just don't have any excess space in my garden.. But somehow I like these as they are, with lophs, no need to hurry with watering and their growth, except all I can say, pretty fast I have achieved to grow these to size of 1cm.. I wonder how these are after season of 2014.. Some williamsii I can spot for sure but there are few I am not sure.. :awesome:

I wonder how long it takes these are at age of flowering.. Growth speed probably slow down after this season because I start to give hibernation seasons also..

What about you think of these? I have fertilized these trough water spray some time ago, rest minerals and stuff they will have from rocks in growing medium.:sunny:


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    #19827989 - 04/11/14 11:37 AM (9 years, 9 months ago)

:awethumb:

Those lophs are incredibly beautiful, IL! Well done! I :heart: the color spectrum you've got going on these ones. :smile: :bongload:


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    #19828093 - 04/11/14 12:08 PM (9 years, 9 months ago)

One word say everything: SUN:sunny:

Also few failures with growing from seed teach much more than same amount of succeed cultivation. :schoolsout:


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    #19910841 - 04/28/14 08:47 AM (9 years, 8 months ago)

Again new pics! It's starts to get little crowded! Pics are taken at 28th day of April

Close up pics:


Photo from top taken at cloudy day at their spot:


These are adjusted very well to same conditions I have adult peyote plants.. These have spent about 2 months at windowsill where they have got spring sun every evening.. early morning and day time trichocereus columns give shade for lophs I have. :thumbup:

These are so awesome! I wonder what size these are after end of season.. I have skip last winter and after end of season, these plants will going to have rest period like adults do.

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I am really enjoying your blog. They have grown up so fast!!


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They look awesome intelligent
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Wow
They grew fast
How did you do that ._.


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    #19985859 - 05/14/14 07:24 AM (9 years, 8 months ago)

Well my trick is basically extra heating with grow lights and later on heating with sun light. Grow medium is coco coir, perlite and pumice with some random rocks. Seems to work fine. :thumbup:

There is some pics I took while watering. Plants look kinda plump, it's time to give them long drought to get them in to flat shape!

I hope at end of the summer I can separate williamsii from others, but I don't want to rush, seems this pot is ok enough time before it's time to transplant williamsii to own pot and others to own. Seeds was labeled koehresii and williamsii and these are survivors from all 100 seeds I sow. Some just rot and some died to too damp grow medium and over watering at age of 3-4months or so.

I just don't want to disturb the plants at the moment and seems there are enough space to grow.. Now it's waiting till plants start to shrivel before I water again. :sun:

14th day of May, 2014.





I have sow these late June so these are year old plants in few weeks.
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    #20010321 - 05/19/14 02:59 PM (9 years, 8 months ago)

I should not water these guys last time I water my other lophs!



Shit happens, so I watered too early by accident! :lol:


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    #20010372 - 05/19/14 03:11 PM (9 years, 8 months ago)

Dont I know. This morning I had to cut away rot from my turbinicarpus pseudopectinatus cv. inermis. Dried out the cutting and hopefully it lives.

they look really good there IL. How old are them babies?


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Dont I know. This morning I had to cut away rot from my turbinicarpus pseudopectinatus cv. inermis. Dried out the cutting and hopefully it lives.

they look really good there IL. How old are them babies?




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    #20014182 - 05/20/14 10:37 AM (9 years, 8 months ago)

They are pretty big for a year
I usually baby mine for no more than a couple of months. Then its survival of the fittest. Which is probably not the best way to grow them but that's how I roll.:rolleyes:


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    #20017523 - 05/20/14 09:49 PM (9 years, 8 months ago)

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They are pretty big for a year
I usually baby mine for no more than a couple of months. Then its survival of the fittest. Which is probably not the best way to grow them but that's how I roll.:rolleyes:




Biggest are soon about 2cm dimeter so far.

I have skip first winter with artificial light. It may explain the size of plants but they really started to get size and grow after I give them pretty strong sun light. Last time I just watered too early. Usually I don't much baby my seedlings at all.

I water those very randomly, sometimes too much by accident. :yesnod:


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    #20037351 - 05/25/14 04:34 AM (9 years, 8 months ago)

Very nice thread with a lot of useful information and nice pictures. I just recently started my own growing from seeds.

I have a small question, would it be possible to use leca instead of pumice? I for some reason have hard time to find pumice where I live, but there is plenty of leca.


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Very nice thread with a lot of useful information and nice pictures. I just recently started my own growing from seeds.

I have a small question, would it be possible to use leca instead of pumice? I for some reason have hard time to find pumice where I live, but there is plenty of leca.




Leca is ok. Just grind it to smaller if they are big grains.. I have some of it in the mix of various rocks and perlite also.

They are easy to smash in bag with wide pad or something and use only the grains to do mineral rock mixture. Those leca grains can be used basically as perlite replacement if need.

Also smashing the clay pots, small grains are good also to use to do mixture of rocks and coco coir. Already broken clay pots are good stuff and free. :thumbup:

Pumice can be replaced with mixture of heavier grains than Leca but I think leca+grains of broken clay pot do fine. Pumice is heavier and can be used to make rocky mixture.

I have 3-5 different material mixed to pumice actually. All kind of small rocks and stuff.


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    #20037358 - 05/25/14 04:41 AM (9 years, 8 months ago)

Thanks for the info. I have plenty of perlite. But is should be ok to have perlite and leca in the mix?


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Thanks for the info. I have plenty of perlite. But is should be ok to have perlite and leca in the mix?




I have both mixed but very small amount of leca. I don't see why not to use both with coco coir. Just get some mineral stuff mixed there also.


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    #20037365 - 05/25/14 04:47 AM (9 years, 8 months ago)

Ok, I will see what I can find, locally or online. One more time, thanks for the information.


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    #20072389 - 06/02/14 05:41 AM (9 years, 7 months ago)

This month my youngsters have their first year.

I've skipped winter time with CFL lights and now plants enjoy full arctic sun.

Haven't watered these for a while. I want them to shrink and start get flat!

Picture from today, plants have evening sun of today. (2nd day of June)


Last night picture, there are very minor dusk at mid-night so my camera automatic flashlight goes on. (Night time pic taken at 1st day of June)


Otherwise there are no official dark time anymore, but seems plants understand when it's night and day anyway. Mid-night sun is shining so low they probably understand the difference of day and night. Also I use heating starting from 6AM and end 6PM so day temps are +30-35C, nights are +19-20C...

Now I just wait plants shrink totally.. That rotten cactus, I take it away and tap root of the rotten button was several centimeters deep and long, nice! Other plants I don't want to disturb. No need to repot these before I am 100% sure what is williamsii and what not.
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    #20079378 - 06/03/14 05:38 PM (9 years, 7 months ago)

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Forget to baby them too much. :lol:

I use just some extra heat during day time about 12hours during day time.

I've learned by doing everything wrong and shitloads of failures before I find out how to grow cacti and what they need and don't need.:awesome:


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    #20084362 - 06/04/14 05:25 PM (9 years, 7 months ago)

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    #20090896 - 06/06/14 12:39 AM (9 years, 7 months ago)

6th of June, I haven't give water for these long time and have baked at sun.

They are going to get more flat :awesome:

No flashlight at night.


Pic with flashlight at night.

there are so bright during mid-night, I can get nice pics because sun shines 24hours, still plants know when it's night and day


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    #20126731 - 06/13/14 10:48 PM (9 years, 7 months ago)

EDIT:

Pics went wrong.. there should be 14th day pics just before watering, they work now at next post.

Read my next post.:thumbup:


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    #20151072 - 06/18/14 06:30 PM (9 years, 7 months ago)

14th day of June, plants have been 5weeks without water, hottest days were +40C.


Watered at 15th day of June.. :thumbup:

19th day of June.. I've watered them after 5week drought and few days after these are nice and firm again.


One year old, almost 2cm diameter.
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    #20195024 - 06/27/14 04:42 PM (9 years, 7 months ago)

Hey man,

Your cacti are really looking great!

A question on ferts: How strong do you mix your liquid fertilizer and what brand are you using? Also, since the watering is so far apart are you giving a low dose each time or only a couple times per year?

I scanned through the whole thread looking for this info but I maybe missed it. In any case, really enjoyed your grow log again, I learned a lot from your experience here. Thanks!


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    #20195131 - 06/27/14 05:09 PM (9 years, 7 months ago)

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Hey man,

Your cacti are really looking great!

A question on ferts: How strong do you mix your liquid fertilizer and what brand are you using? Also, since the watering is so far apart are you giving a low dose each time or only a couple times per year?

I scanned through the whole thread looking for this info but I maybe missed it. In any case, really enjoyed your grow log again, I learned a lot from your experience here. Thanks!





I've usually write when I have watered or how long plants have been without water. You can see the date of my posts easily by looking it just above my avatar etc.

I just wait they starts to shrink smaller, let them be in dry for some time, them I soak whole growing medium and wait it dry up again. 2-8 weeks is time I give water to my lophs. Basically few good soak per year, winter = no water, no care.

Coming winter is going to be dormant season for these youngsters.:yesnod:

You can see from loph how much it need water, also planting lots to same tray or using small pots for this cacti, watering is easy, long time drought and when nice warm sunny day comes and plants have been dry long time (they go softer) ..then I give good drink of water.

Fertilizers I've used same what I use for cannabis, but only 10-50% less dose, Just sprayed it with water. Two kind of flowering ferts: NPK 0-17-18 and NPK 2-4-7 or similar.

Anykind of low nitrogen "flowering fertilizers" are ok, just check dose is small..

First dose for seedlings will last long enough tho, and plants adapt themselves to fertile soil from beginning. During summer I have given randomly very small doses of fertilizers when I water, mostly pure water sprayed so long it goes off from drainage hole.

There are some PK-Fertilizers, liquid form. They are good if you want to avoid nitrogen burns etc.. But Nitrogen is good to use with small amounts.. Otherwise it's ok plants have minerals from the rocky material in coco coir.


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    #20206960 - 06/30/14 09:27 AM (9 years, 6 months ago)

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Fertilizers I've used same what I use for cannabis, but only 10-50% less dose, Just sprayed it with water. Two kind of flowering ferts: NPK 0-17-18 and NPK 2-4-7 or similar.

Anykind of low nitrogen "flowering fertilizers" are ok, just check dose is small..

First dose for seedlings will last long enough tho, and plants adapt themselves to fertile soil from beginning. During summer I have given randomly very small doses of fertilizers when I water, mostly pure water sprayed so long it goes off from drainage hole.

There are some PK-Fertilizers, liquid form. They are good if you want to avoid nitrogen burns etc.. But Nitrogen is good to use with small amounts.. Otherwise it's ok plants have minerals from the rocky material in coco coir.





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    #20209229 - 07/01/14 02:54 AM (9 years, 6 months ago)

For sake of good sunny day, there's an update.

I have not watered since last time. Temps are +34-35C (Max have been +40C this summer)

1st of July, 2014 ..1year old plants.




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Some peek to my another peyote sow. Hundreds of half year old peyotes. (Identical mini-greenhouse build, this just have got drilled holes below, and heating mat. These seems to do fine. Never seen proper sunlight yet.




 


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    #20246087 - 07/09/14 04:57 AM (9 years, 6 months ago)

Great journal, thanks for the info.

I've been germinating some San Pedro and Loph's in the same dome with heat mat. The Pedro's have had a 50% success rate which is great, but no Loph's. Now the soil is starting to get mouldy from the humidty, so i'll take your advice and have a another go with some inorganic material.

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    #20246306 - 07/09/14 06:34 AM (9 years, 6 months ago)

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Great journal, thanks for the info.

I've been germinating some San Pedro and Loph's in the same dome with heat mat. The Pedro's have had a 50% success rate which is great, but no Loph's. Now the soil is starting to get mouldy from the humidty, so i'll take your advice and have a another go with some inorganic material.

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Don't use organic soil first 6-12months, so you can avoid mold problems with coco coir.:thumbup:


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    #20268991 - 07/13/14 10:44 PM (9 years, 6 months ago)

Update.

13th day of July, 2014.


Over night some water given by soak whole grow medium. They was so thirsty.:yesnod:

14th day of July, 2014 Day after watering.


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Whoa, one night after watering and they are so pumped already? sweet!


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    #20271444 - 07/14/14 02:08 PM (9 years, 6 months ago)

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Whoa, one night after watering and they are so pumped already? sweet!




1 month in hot and dry causes them to go smaller.:thumbup:

Over day they grow to this size. 14th day evening pics.



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They look awesome IL. Good job on those. :thumbup:


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    #20285247 - 07/17/14 08:16 AM (9 years, 6 months ago)

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Whoa, one night after watering and they are so pumped already? sweet!




Check out today how they're plump up..
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4 days after watering.


I think next season is time to transplant these probably, soon I can ID what's willy and what's not.


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    #20291473 - 07/18/14 01:38 PM (9 years, 6 months ago)

Very nicely done. Thanks for sharing I have learned a good bit from your thread


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    #20301220 - 07/20/14 01:51 PM (9 years, 6 months ago)

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Very nicely done. Thanks for sharing I have learned a good bit from your thread




That was my actual purpose to start cultivation thread as long as I grow these and I have time to keep write this, probably later updating of this thread will be more minimal..

I'm still trying to upload pics over the months and years, there are enough information over one year how to grow peyote from seed and it's enough, plants look like young adults soon.

Maybe I stop this thread when these plants bloom their first time.. some say 2-3year is ok time, some say 5-8years.. I think it depends how much peyote have got fertilizers and how hot summers they have.. More temperature means they tolerate more moisture and so on..

When I transplant these, I am sure I show the pics from tap roots of these plants! Can't wait to see how big roots there are..

Umm.. I've think how long these could be grown in this clay pot, ~30 plants in small pot, I've see pics from peyote plants and they're grown so much clay pot have broken after good drink of water.:lol:

During winter is easy to transplant because hibernating plants are in dry and they doesn't shock so easily and starts their summer at new pots.. I've think just to separate these to two pots, after I am sure I'm ID willys away from koehresii(at least vendor said seeds are koehresii)

There should be williamsii and koehresii mixed, soon I will see dat!
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    #20301969 - 07/20/14 04:31 PM (9 years, 6 months ago)

I wonder... how come there is so much difference in size?
some are way bigger than others, and they are all the same age!
Could it be the Williamsii / Koehresii that make this huge size difference?


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I wonder... how come there is so much difference in size?
some are way bigger than others, and they are all the same age!
Could it be the Williamsii / Koehresii that make this huge size difference?




Nah, some peyote are bigger than another.. I've got them as l. williamsii and l. koehresii.. Some williamsii can be different size because there can be mix of different location seeds and vendors sell those just as peyote seeds. Some are bigger, some smaller strain, every plant have their own forms and sizes anyway..

I suspect there is different habitat williamsii, that's why some may be smaller than another. I've not bought seeds by location, just as peyote and they're probably mix of different habitat seeds.

I've planned to transplant these plants at some point, when I really see the difference of species. But there is no harm if some koehresii grow with williamsii, they can be picked separately later when they can be ID.

Only I know these seeds come from nursery and seeds is cheaper if they are bought just as peyote, so they can be any habitat l. williamsii.:lol:

I totally want to see what size of tap roots these have grown over one year. These have got only 1 month of cool hibernation period at winter and grown 11months. Now they going to start their first dormant at September when comes cold and I stop heating and watering my lophs. Depends on weather when I stop the actual grow season but it's 6-7months, rest of the year it's too cold and no sun at all during mid-winter. Cacti totally feel cold because they're near window and outdoors can be -40C frosts at mid winter. I have now only radiator below during winter but it's at +10C :lol:

I don't use anymore artificial lights to grow cacti, only sun and small seedling table with two 36W fluoro lights and two levels where I can keep small plants. I have another pot of peyote, few plants sown from seeds of mine.. They are without heating and I can't water them so often and they grow really slow compared to heated mexican small plants. My climate is nasty for cactus plants.:eek:


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    #20368122 - 08/03/14 08:53 AM (9 years, 5 months ago)

Hey nice grow! Ive been following closely and am about to start my own this week following your method. One question though, I need to repot some lophs that are currently about the same size as yours. I read you have them in just coco, perlite, and pumice. What ratios of each do you use? Thanks man


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    #20368689 - 08/03/14 12:18 PM (9 years, 5 months ago)

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Hey nice grow! Ive been following closely and am about to start my own this week following your method. One question though, I need to repot some lophs that are currently about the same size as yours. I read you have them in just coco, perlite, and pumice. What ratios of each do you use? Thanks man




I have't check full the ratio but I would say 1/3 of each is ok. Maybe little bit more rocky stuff than coco or perlite.


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    #20368764 - 08/03/14 12:32 PM (9 years, 5 months ago)

Thanks man. I figured it would be about that ratio but I didnt want to add too much coco as I have never used it before. Ive read it retains quite a bit of moisture


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pure cactus porn!
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    #20378375 - 08/05/14 01:38 PM (9 years, 5 months ago)

I have few pics from 5th day of August, 2014


Close-up

This time I give watering little bit earlier than last time, plants was shrink but not so much, I give probably only one watering before winter at this point.

Plants haven't got any water since last time. I took pics before I water them today. Long droughts sure give nice flat shape for plants. After today plants starts to plump up again from water I give for 'em. Full soak like always.

Heat mats are still in use.. I have now for all lophophora plants only 15minutes ON, 15minutes OFF and it goes like that over 12hours during day time. I use heating only at day when sun doesn't shine. Before winter it's time to shut heating off and let plants start their hibernation season.

Heating isn't necessary in warm climates after 6-12months of cultivation. Basically first 6months heating mats are good in any climate, indoor lophs can be heated when artificial lights are on and shut heating off when lights are off.

For colder climate heating is very important factor what comes to growing speed of lophophora, also long time droughts for one year old plants are important to keep plants in shape. With heating watering can be done like every week but I don't suggest to water so often, lophophora starts to grow elongated if watering isn't very random.

Basically 5-7 watering times is enough in one summer and ~10month old lophs can endure serious droughts without dying, but only after the time when plants are "old" enough.

I haven't give fertilizers anymore, I have done fertilizing at spring/early summer and rest of the year pure water till winter comes.

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edit: 2days after watering. Swollen!


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    #20426837 - 08/16/14 11:23 AM (9 years, 5 months ago)

I took pics today.. Haven't watered the plants since last time. They don't look they need any water at all.

Not at all... :ifyoucanawe:

08/16/2014


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    #20464146 - 08/23/14 11:18 AM (9 years, 5 months ago)

08/23/2014


Seems they do long time without a drink, maybe over winter.:pipesmoke:


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They look great man. :awethumb:


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    #20519521 - 09/04/14 02:29 PM (9 years, 4 months ago)

30 days without water, 09/04/2014


I watered plants now because it's more warmer than normal.. this time was last time of watering, plants should be now approx 6months without a drop of water.:sun:


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    #20527449 - 09/06/14 08:20 AM (9 years, 4 months ago)

09/06/2014 - 2days after full soak of water. It's getting crowded!!



I think this was the last time of watering.. Winter is coming fast.. I'll shut heat off in week or two, probably water these next spring again. If unseasonable warm and sunny weather doesn't continue so far. Anyway, sunlight will vanish fast soon.
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I would want to say my rule of thumb to people who use this as grow guide:
When lophophora plants have acclimatized to droughts, water them only the time after plants starts to shrink and go soft because of dehydration. It's good to prevent over watering and with one soak plants do long time without water. It's a desert climate plant anyway. No need to look calendar when to water, water when plants need it and it can be seen when starts to shrink and go under soil. Lophs can go very slim and small without dying.
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    #20527864 - 09/06/14 10:08 AM (9 years, 4 months ago)

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09/06/2014 - 2days after full soak of water. It's getting crowded!!



I think this was the last time of watering.. Winter is coming fast.. I'll shut heat off in week or two, probably water these next spring again. If unseasonable warm and sunny weather doesn't continue so far. Anyway, sunlight will vanish fast soon.
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I would want to say my rule of thumb to people who use this as grow guide:
When lophophora plants have acclimatized to droughts, water them only the time after plants starts to shrink and go soft because of dehydration. It's good to prevent over watering and with one soak plants do long time without water. It's a desert climate plant anyway. No need to look calendar when to water, water when plants need it and it can be seen when starts to shrink and go under soil. Lophs can go very slim and small without dying.
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This very true. Some people over water their cacti. Cacti thrive on neglect. This summers end has been really wet and will help them grow til next season before winter dormancy.

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    #20528072 - 09/06/14 11:01 AM (9 years, 4 months ago)

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09/06/2014 - 2days after full soak of water. It's getting crowded!!



I think this was the last time of watering.. Winter is coming fast.. I'll shut heat off in week or two, probably water these next spring again. If unseasonable warm and sunny weather doesn't continue so far. Anyway, sunlight will vanish fast soon.
:dancer:

I would want to say my rule of thumb to people who use this as grow guide:
When lophophora plants have acclimatized to droughts, water them only the time after plants starts to shrink and go soft because of dehydration. It's good to prevent over watering and with one soak plants do long time without water. It's a desert climate plant anyway. No need to look calendar when to water, water when plants need it and it can be seen when starts to shrink and go under soil. Lophs can go very slim and small without dying.
:sunny:




This very true. Some people over water their cacti. Cacti thrive on neglect. This summers end has been really wet and will help them grow til next season before winter dormancy.

When do you think you will repot those IL?




I planned to repot them early next season.. Just before winter it's easy to transplant a cactus, I'll just move them under lights till grow season starts.

They are going to start their season 2015 in new trays.:sun:

I'm going to show a pictures from roots when transplanting and you'll see what kind of tap roots those youngsters probably have.:thumbup:


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    #20528089 - 09/06/14 11:04 AM (9 years, 4 months ago)

How deep are your pots?


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    #20528337 - 09/06/14 12:12 PM (9 years, 4 months ago)

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How deep are your pots?




Clay pot for those plants are ~3inch(8cm) deep.


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    #20561733 - 09/13/14 11:54 AM (9 years, 4 months ago)

I transplanted my plants.

Look like there is dark soil but it's just slightly moist coco coir.

These plants were pretty hard to get off from container.. Now I have 3 clay pots with some 8-9 lophophora per pot. I count there is suspected two willamsii clay pots.

There was also a rotten cactus, again. I was trying to see what happens if I give water for them what may happen in nature also, anyway, only one died.. Rest survived so far.

Anyhow.. Dormancy starting, I'll leave these to those pots, start care them at March.. I may take pic or two during winter when they are going to shrink underground. It's pretty loose soil-mixture. Fine rocks mixed to coco coir, perlite etc etc.

There was very nice root system most of the plants.



These are some ~16months old now.

I wonder how they look after 2015 season... It's enough me I can ID williamsii separated from those. Time will tell for sure, these may enjoy their first dormancy.
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My another project is going well. Not much deaths, I have bit tray of williamsii, I water them very less and basically never do anything for them. Maybe fertile them next year and water or so.. Ofc I water some but very small amounts.

There plants I have tried to push limits with watering and fertilizing so therefore death plants over the 1,5years or so is obvious. But aferall I don't need too water prone lophs. Seems there are 2/3 willys and 1/3 those l. koehresii.. and there were same amount of both seeds, those koehresii seedlings seems to be more prone to water like diffusa and fricii species. Willys tolerate pretty much water, especially in hot.:thumbup:

I had 100 seeds and now I have 25 plants.. Didn't count how many germinated but if looking first posts, they germinated well, it's just my watering I have done for these and tried to push limits of lophophora. It's nice to know I have lophs tolerate watering only way to find out is just water and see what are going to stay alive and what rot... :gangsta:

What I have done for these also, after first transplant I have used  pretty constant fertilizing with some N and high PK and used various ferilizer brands etc.. I have bottle of PK-fertilizer what I have used for these very much.


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    #20733339 - 10/21/14 12:42 PM (9 years, 3 months ago)

Lophs have been without water now over a month.. Temps have been some +19C..+25C day and some +14C..+18C night time. These receive only ~8hours of day light atm.

Dormant have been started, pics taken at 10/21/2014:

Some have been started to shrink underground.. These had some water when I transplanted these because coco coir had some moisture, but not so much I could say these have got any drink since last time.:sun:

I don't know yet what is willy and what is koehresii, soon I find out it!:dancer:

So I just wait and don't do anything for these before sun starts to shine again..:awesome:

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    #20965553 - 12/12/14 07:34 AM (9 years, 1 month ago)

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Lophs have been without water now over a month.. Temps have been some +19C..+25C day and some +14C..+18C night time. These receive only ~8hours of day light atm.

Dormant have been started, pics taken at 10/21/2014:

Some have been started to shrink underground.. These had some water when I transplanted these because coco coir had some moisture, but not so much I could say these have got any drink since last time.:sun:

I don't know yet what is willy and what is koehresii, soon I find out it!:dancer:

So I just wait and don't do anything for these before sun starts to shine again..:awesome:

I'll probably update next time at spring of 2015.:eskimokiss:




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    #20993202 - 12/18/14 09:01 AM (9 years, 1 month ago)

1,5year old, x-mas update

Some early winter update. I give some 3months of dormancy and cold for them, after they were sink underground I moved these under 72W fluoro. Today watered first time since summer.

Those scars have happened to few plants as well. I tested to add strong N coco coir for cactus plants, and transplanted before winter. I now find out what kidn of N burns look like. Plants I haven't transplant haven't got this kind of burns.

Still they are ok, once they had water spray to "wake up" them from dormancy. Soon I should see plump up plants. Light cycle is 18/6 atm. I usually don't break dormancy but this I want to push limits and see how fast own root peyote grows, I probably doesn't need to use fertilizers for them long time..

12/18/2014, total of 18month old lophophora (I decided to wate them after they were week under light and heat of +30C day and under +20C night)


I don't suggest to transplant before winter, especilly to rich soil! (This is just thread I test things and push limits. These have received 3months of hibernation time, Trying to see is that ok, rest plants will be in hibernation 6-6,5months. I think it's OK as long as I don't mix up "winter" and "summer" ..I fake spring time for them since summer time isn't dark here at all when I use sun. So I planned to take these and start grow under CFL, not keep them in hibernation till march like others.:yesnod:

When summer comes, I'm sure these burst to grow because of fertile soil and scars will go away.

Some extra as well of seedlings and so on
I have Project going on, testing that strong fertilized coco coir as it is to grow from seed as well. Started some time ago. Square pot = Peyote&mammillaria mix(i tested to ruin seeds with frost, microwave and so on, sill pot is full of seedlings. Everything on them is mixed breed of my plants, mammillaria formosa and lophophora williamsii. I can later separate mammillaria out of lophs. Round pot I have Astrophytum asterias var. superkabuto, as well as three astrophytum grafts from those, I will see how fast this speed up the growth.. As well as I am testing how they do in pure coco coir, with very rich fertilized coco coir(already was commercial and fertilized coir)


Astrophytum grafts, 3days old.


Everything:

So far seems coco coir doesn't have any mold nor moss and algae growing on it. Now I get why commercial growers use this to get fast grown cactus plants.:lol:

Peeking Another Project:gangsta:
And my Project number "something" Tray full of peyote, I've drill holes to this, used non-fertilized coco coir, perlite and lava rocks/pumice. These as well spent 3months in cold, week ago got first watering.. They reach age of 1year at spring of 2015. All kind of peyote from different location mixed. I have sown 600 seeds to this tray, some plants rotten, some dried up etc, best have been survived. I give as well early spring to these cute plants. And I flush this whole tray full of water soem week ago after 4months in dry and cold, before watering, I make sure they have got heat and light some week or two.

These plants haven't been under the humid dome for long time.



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    #20993234 - 12/18/14 09:17 AM (9 years, 1 month ago)

Holy crap,quit posting,you're going to make me late for work!
Dang man,ok,I now know I have rework my cactus seeds germination methods,because I haven't got shit on yours,those are fantastico:thumbup:
I really believe my shitty soil,and taking the dome off early caused the downfall in mine:facepalm:
They are all still alive and doing well though,but they kinda look like shit,and they are mostly all red.
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    #20993250 - 12/18/14 09:22 AM (9 years, 1 month ago)

Kactus.brand.g is right. But I don't have a job so who cares. Everything looks beautiful man. One thing for me is that I always manage to kill a few or 20. Really sucks but the ones that do make it usually have a good life.

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    #20994138 - 12/18/14 01:24 PM (9 years, 1 month ago)

kactus.brand.g; I never keep long time humidity, as well when I use extra heating I don't necessary water them so often. All my humid domes have air circulation holes as well. Sometimes soil goes dry at very young age of seedlings but after all, these grows at very rough desert. They need to be tolerate times when water absence may be long. And when it rains, it rain so much some plants really get under water beause dry desert mud isn't best what comes to water going trough the earth.

I don't think "taking the dome early off" effect so much.. But in order to do so you have to acclimatize your plants from day one in humid dome with holes on it, then start taking it off and keeping it on, then after that you can remove the humidity dome. IF you keep very hot and humid without proper air circulation and suddenly take dome off, longer they have establish to humid, easier they shock from it you take the dome off.

That green tray with lots of peyote, they had only one month humidity dome, then one month goes I kept them day or two without dome and then add it back for some time. For example: dome on 4-5days in week, rest days without it. They slowy adjust to dry environment.
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You can grow peyote in humidity dome like one year but it's not so easy to adjust them to dry. I've seen it's easier to let them exerience humidity drop even at few week old seedlings. Just not instat humidity remove.

Humidity isn't the factor, it's patience and learning trough mistakes. Without any mistake, you don't know those necessary DONT'S there are few of them. If you learn only DO:s, your actions most likely isn't always good. With cacti, there shoúld not be any instant and sudden dramatic actions.

Reason why seedlings go red is; dehydration or most likely too much light. Seedlings do fine in poor light, light can be increased slowly etc.Example: give strong sun day or two and rest days keep them under lights. In very hot country where sun is strong, it should be filtered. But seems to work I give day or two strog light, rest days under fluoro.

Most people think cactus grow faster when you give powerful lights or so, with light you still need heat. Even warm countries, I dont see it's bad to use heating mat, it actually forgive you few waterings if you happen to water them soo much. Also cactus plants are used to hot and heat so I don't see thee is too high temperatures, nights just need to be cool to balance hot days because after all, seems average temperature of whole day matters.

With potted plants it's different.

Seems perlite and other may not be need. Soil can be anything, it's not matter of it. In habitat lophophora grow in very random spots(I mean another places can be more rainy and fertile or different pH of soil and so on.

IF you use organic soil, you should microwave it before move it to humidity, organic "black soil" commonly used to grow house plants isn't always the best choice, not even all "cactuss soil" bags.

So far coco coir is good material to keep in humid, and when rocks and perlite isn't there, moss and algea will not start to grow. Even I have not seen any harm moss or algae grow along seedlings. But later on I suggest to use rocks and perlite(when dry and wet cycle begins and seedlings have been taken away from their first container.

If I remember right, I paid for that coco coir some 10€ and got 20Liter bag of it.. Cheap stuff. For adult cactus I would not use it alone tho.

What comes to these plants, I baby them like one time per month, dormant plants I don't even look for long time. For example, these pics I posted. I just water them, took picture, then moved under lights and forget them.. I usually feel when it's "long enough" to go and check plants. IF I am not sure I keep on my absence till I see and feel it's ready to nurse them.

It's fact most people just worry about what is going on.. "is it too much water, is too less water, have I done wrong?" -forget these. If no one look after them in habitat, why they should be taken care of so much in cultivation?

One flush of coco coir to very wet -> seeds to surface -> move pot in to dome -> see it after month(except if you use organic soil what may mold so they should be kee on eye more often.

Just do and test different things, build seedling grow style A, B, C, D and so on and see what is best, also test differet soils.

I have actually failed my first yers before I actually got indea to use extra heat to mimic desert environment indoors, hot days and seems it worked. Then I bought several cheap water-proof heating mats and use them with timer. Always on when it's light and even before night heating can turn off, you can keep heating cycle of 12/12 and light cycle of 20/4.

Most failures I experienced without extra heat, but my climate is too cold anyway so it was necessary but I dare to say it works in any climate and makes things almost "idiot proof" with germination and seeds. But if it's on 24hours, it's as bad as without heating.

I have  grown lots of peoyte with peeskiopsis as stock and degraft them at size of 1,5-3cm. Just before they reach size of flowering. Pereskiopsis grafts I learned also trough many failures till I find right way to o it. I didn' give up on those and tried all new till good results started to show. To learn what not to do, you need to sacrifice seedlings and prepare it your methods may not work.

When you find nice tek for your style, then start improving it. I have lots lots of adults, seedling and seeds to fail, but I sure kow what isn't good to do...Don't give up if you fail several times you can't fail if you have fail enough to learn what you shoud not do! :thumbup:

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Kactus.brand.g is right. But I don't have a job so who cares. Everything looks beautiful man. One thing for me is that I always manage to kill a few or 20. Really sucks but the ones that do make it usually have a good life.

:awethumb: Awesome looking peyoots IL.




That's reason I sow all seed at once.. Because I can get off the most rot prone plants, they simply dies. Some can't handle droughts I give and they die, but I like it most because only best seedlings go on. Similar to evolution. I create environment = most survive but those what doesn't are not probably worth of growing.

Some just can't handle the water even as seedlings or they simpy die, some need water and die to droughts, maybe some have died to fertilizers as well. It happens, but atleast from seed, I know their capability to handle water and temperatures.

Thanks for compliments and reply.. 

(and yes, this thread is just done so people can lear and see pictures and "diary"-like text with other people questions as well.. It's also fun to keep track of these and so on as well as it's rewarding to share own experiences. :eskimokiss:

I Hope your projecs goes as well Ferrel! You have nice collecion! :headbang:


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    #20994319 - 12/18/14 02:04 PM (9 years, 1 month ago)

Thanks man. Maybe next time around I order a thousand seed pack. :eek:


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    #20994413 - 12/18/14 02:26 PM (9 years, 1 month ago)

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Thanks man. Maybe next time around I order a thousand seed pack. :eek:




I have not much use for seeds, they want new home and like to travel in:pm:

Usually after summer I have like thousands seeds or so.. Yesterday I picked up seeds from old fruits, I just have missed to see them nor haven't been interest to pick them. Add them to paper bag and also soon my CFL grafted plants grow fruits soon because they have flowered very much compared to the fact they are under fluoro.

My seeds typically like to go away By accident, especially when it' summer I have no use fo them.. They are like this when waiting new home in my storage; :omgawesome:


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    #20996178 - 12/18/14 08:18 PM (9 years, 1 month ago)

Thanks for the tips intelligentlife:thumbup:
Next time around I'm going to put some of your advice to work:biggrin:
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    #20997767 - 12/19/14 06:18 AM (9 years, 1 month ago)

IF you happen to have any other extra seedsI'd gladly take some off your hands! I've been looking for a good place to pick some up at and have had no luck?  :/


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    #20997814 - 12/19/14 06:39 AM (9 years, 1 month ago)

Kman1898 please see the EG rules. There is no trading or source discussion in the EG, and no trading of any Lophophora seeds allowed on the Shroomery. The above posters are just being cheeky :tongue:


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Yes,I was only kidding:lol:and yeah,since the internet can be hard to decipher whether someone is kidding or being serious,it's probably not a wise thing to joke around about.


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    #21002265 - 12/20/14 08:39 AM (9 years, 1 month ago)

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IF you happen to have any other extra seedsI'd gladly take some off your hands! I've been looking for a good place to pick some up at and have had no luck?  :/




No I do not do trade seeds of peyote.. Maybe got my message wrong. I mean about I give them to me friends usually inside my country. (even IF I do such a thing, I never would have so much seeds I can fill everyones need anyway in here internet)

This thread is just guide&journal of lophophora cultivation, I don't say I do big trade of seeds, just saying I don't have use for them.. That's why me friends like to take them and grow on their own. This thread isn't for seed sale/distribution.


You guys missed my point about..
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    #21095640 - 01/10/15 05:55 AM (9 years, 21 days ago)

Educative post yo!
Fertilizer shock
(I already knew this is happening when using strong N coco coir and transplanted end of season on purpose)

Okay, I did on purpose transplant before winter and as well used very nitrogen rich coco coir and there is the result I expected. Trays full of fertilizer burnt lophophora.

01/10/2015

These burns started to spread 3-4months after transplant, but immediatly after first watering when I break the dormancy of these. In drought and cold, plants didn't shocked spent few months in dry and fertilizer rich coco coir mix. Seems cactus plants takes nutrients during moist period of it's life.

This happens to many people who buy their plant and plant it in too rich soil and as long as plant starts to drink, it'll burn it's skin because of too high levels of fertilizing. That's why I prefer low fertilized soil from beginning and forth. Always check the amount of fertilizers in new soil! Lophophora will take some 1-2years to recover from fertilizer burn scars.

Now when comparing health of these specimens to health of another peyote tray, never transplanted any plant, same time dormancy time and conditions, only difference is plants in this thread follow have been treaten wrong by adding too high fertilized growing medium before winter dormancy. This how I should have taken care of them and just not to move them anywhere at end of summer:


Those plants probably survive all of them, maybe one or two may die because all chrolophyll have been burnt with nitrogen (Fertilizer was actually coco coir designed for cannabis plnts)

So this post is about, what you should not do. And when transplant happens, do it at spring time and always do not use too rich soil, or peyote skin suffers very much due to shock it causes.:tongue2:

Be careful with fertilizing and lophophora, especially those who receive new lophophora.. It's best it will not be planted to fertile soil at all. These plants wasn't used to high N, when I add it and waited over few months of dormancy, during spring time I can see what I expected, burned skin from rich soil. So fertilizers will shock lophophora plants very easy, these plants don't like sudden changes.

One failure at transplanting, causes you need to wait several seasons to get back the nice and smooth skin. This also probably disturbt the growth because most chrolophyll have been burnt off to dead skin.

Plants are still alive, drinking and so on.. Waiting sun under CFL lights.:sunny:

I had "cannabis grow coco coir" and only 40% of whole mixture, still it was too strong stuff to my lophs and they shock from it. Also I did transplant at end season and in to wrong soil. Wanted to show you what happens and show it for those people who didn't know this about lophophora species. Their skin is sensitive to many factors, not just bugs. Bug usually cause most less damage compared to wrong care of lophophora!

Sometimes I've seen few bugs will spread faster in fertile soil, I think some pests will spread too fast in high fertilized soil compared to very poor and mineral soil, I don't know the reason exactly but always when plants suffer over fertilization, few bugs love these fertile soil lophs and leaving most of the plants un harmed while spreading around fertile soil plants.:shrug:

Is it matter what soil and growing medium grower would use?
-Yes, if you change your soil wrong and plant takes shock from it.
-No, if you use always same soil from seed to cactus and cactus need to be already used to your own mixture of growing medium

I have not been used any pesticides for these plants and wasn't going to use, I'll see how they grow scars over and update the pics here over summer or something! Also I can see how much fertilizer burn causes delay at growth if it causes any.

There are as much growing medium possibilities as there are growers around. Do your own and stick with it if plants like it.:thumbup:


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    #21095744 - 01/10/15 06:57 AM (9 years, 21 days ago)

i Actually want to ask you something:
some time ago (summer) i did actually transpanted some of my lophs, replanted with a mineral soil (mostly crushed Lava) and fertilized twice with an universal fertilizer ( i guess that  universal  is bad)
this exemplar is 6 Cm across, i had no way to monitor this as i left it to a friend, that watered every 3 weeks during summer til september
After summer it was kinda scarred, i thought it was Red spider mites but now looking at your Lophophoras, i have a doubt
There is a photo before and after the scars





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    #21095819 - 01/10/15 07:40 AM (9 years, 21 days ago)

RSM attack easy to heavy fertilized plant´get weak beacuse of burns. So there's little time in general to even try prevent RSM if you have used much nitrogen.. In my garden they target those weakest ones.. Those got already skin burned etc. Some have said those pests can "sense" that dying cactus chemical message(maybe in habitat that chemical message invite predators as well)

Few plants act in nature almost like I said.. They starts to spread lots of predator and pest interesting smell when they are eaten. And almost always predators find feast just because they smell plant also. But this is my theory about. I have read about those plant hormones effect to insects and many plant can "call" assist from predators via chemical communication of some sort. There are many way plant defense itself. I have to rely on neem oil, use it with caution and then simply trying to dislodge aand disturb those so they wont spread too much.. Their scars stop spreading usually after March..

May be both, I don't know exactly, fert burns comes very fast and then stops and plant starts to grow new epidermis.. RSM infection, or some other, doesn't cause so fast but also fast disappearing burns. Anyway, seems in high N, RSM infestation can be get out of control. At my containers of all lophophora, mostly all have some infestation, but usually seems they occur to fertilized plants better. IF those spread faster at high N soil, it's very likely RSM cause also very fast damage.

Difference to RSM and fertilizer burn can be seen but only after a while, fertilizer burns usually occur very instantly, killing some skin, then plant starts to grow new epidermis. Ofc older plants are more prone to chance of soil what comes to skin of plant.

Otherwise even I have few RSM, they are someway under control, causing damage only to few plants under lights. They go away at summer usually here.. Only eating plants indoors at winter time.

I think you have RSM here. I am not sue do they spread in high N soil faster but I have heard such thing and seems low fertilized plants doesn't attract those bugs to most of my plants anyway.. I use only water and night humidty to control them, they don't vanish but don't like to live there as well. Those plants of mine, they have few bugs as well but otherwise damage is just done with fertilizers and seems those fertilized plants have more bugs.. Most of my plants don't have any nor I see just small signs from them here or there.

Usually when I do something with lophophora, day I take care of it, I don't think those plants atleast for a week or two. Sometimes few months and never even touch those seedling trays.

I managed to grow from seed in pure rich N coco coir. Same stuff burned these skin. Seems if plants are from seed and have lots of fertilizers, they can grow very fast because of that. Seed just have to be germinated in place what is constantly full of fertilizing, but otherwise good climate to cacti. I have heard some commmercial growers use pure coco coir and strong fertilizers when grown from seed, to get fast big seedlings.

Take magnifying class and check out, but if that have become after first watering in new soil, it may have an effect to skin as well.:shrug:

It's sometimes hard to even see are those scars because of fertilizer burns or because of bugs. That's why I don't use big amount of liquid fertilizers for these plants, now they suddenl had some very rich N there, lol. What a shock.:yesnod:

My lophs have some minor scarring but few are those "nests" of bugs or something.. I don't know because most of them is just fine. I don't do much about those scars during summer then just using watering the way I let water run long time above the cactus and troug the soil. Seems lophs can take ferts trough skin as well.. Those of mine have had got some 2-12-11 fertilizers average NPK or something. Lots of others than N because it seems to be bad if it comes at sudden high doses. (also may attract bugs hard to get rid off, I don't know exactly, yet. normal winter mite it seems.)

Those two different plant containers in the picture, are in the open and under same lights anyway at pics I take today. I have seen some fast running and moist loving bugs, but not actual RSM. They like to hide between the ribs and starts running when distrubed, easy to see.

Sometimes it's also hard to tell apart is the damage caused to skin because of grower, bugs or fertilizer shock. Later on it's easier to tell what is caused by fertilizers and what isn't. I have actually one caespitosa, only few pups goes "corky" at skin, then al pups grow back to normal over summer. So on, it have been done that many winters.


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    #21095908 - 01/10/15 08:22 AM (9 years, 21 days ago)

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i Actually want to ask you something:
some time ago (summer) i did actually transpanted some of my lophs, replanted with a mineral soil (mostly crushed Lava) and fertilized twice with an universal fertilizer ( i guess that  universal  is bad)
this exemplar is 6 Cm across, i had no way to monitor this as i left it to a friend, that watered every 3 weeks during summer til september
After summer it was kinda scarred, i thought it was Red spider mites but now looking at your Lophophoras, i have a doubt
There is a photo before and after the scars





What do you think? was that Red Mites or Fertilizers?




If that universal fertilizer was miracle grow,then no that wasn't caused by it.
I have used miracle grow for all my plants,cacti included,and no matter what the dose I have never once burned up any plants,including Loph's,even as bad as people say that shit is!
I no longer use it anymore,but when I did,I never had problems,and all my plant thrived.
I actually stand by them,and think they have wonderful products:thumbup:
I just wish they would ditch all the chemicals and go to solely organic applications.


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    #21464042 - 03/27/15 02:54 AM (8 years, 10 months ago)

Your pics may have happened both, first strong dose of ferts cause plant skin goes bad, plant starts to attract pests because they target always most bad shape plants.

This thread have talk bout those, Lsorales know more than me about those bugs. I just trying to manage and keep them under control but never tried to vanish them totally.. It feeels impossible.

Check this, recetly posted thread.

Date 03/27/2015

Picture from 3 different pots. I think 1/3rd of these died to overdose of ferts. Rest seems to have endure that shock good and bad. Some look like it's not big damage. I've still pick up several died plants off this spring. I have done what should not be done. Transplant these in to strong coco coir mix at winter and noticed the scale of burns after first watering at spring time. They had nice epidermis and one transplant ruined and killed some. Be careful with fertilizers if you are not familiar with lophophora plants, just want to say! Chill and give your absence to peyote, so cultivation works well.

Plants I have been updated:

These have been moved before winter to strong fert soil. And got burned bad after first spring watering.. These above are survivors from mistake should not be done. (lophs can tae ferts, but not suddenly.. my point of this)

Mites have probably visited as well along these plants. BUT: Now I can post pics how they recover and how fast it happen etc..

And only few month younger, comparsion picture to these above, different tray, never transplanted and fertilized with small amounts very randomly. Only difference is, I have not moved these plants below to any strong soil compared to plants I have updated in this thread.

Better pics from those I havent moved anywhere from tray I have sow all seeds at once:


This grow haven't had problems. Plants are only few months later sown than plants I've updated here. But this is cood compare picture because these have been taken care of properly(just forgot them and not hussle with transplanting so often to so young cactus plants)

imo, it's unecessary to transplant lophs if no need to. They do years in tray where they have been sown.

So lesson is: don't do like I did and increase ferts suddenly. Even small amounts of Nitrogen may be toxic to plants if it's not used to have huge amounts of them. If you want grow peyote with high fertilized soil, start them from seed in rich soil and keep on fertilizing. Don't do suddenly transplant them without good reason. And if so. Use same growing medium where your seedlings have been grown. So it's easier to grow them without these kind if accidents I did on purpose to show you what can happen if fertilizers are used excess amounts for plants not used to have so high amount of N. It's better to know where plants have been grown. And grow them in same growing medium you have given for them from all their life.

From those pics, I can't say more than I suspect they have RSM infection after fertilizer overdose. High fert lophs can be adjusted suddenly to poor rocky grow medium. It doesn't seem to work another way and risk of burns to skin and shock the plants get higher. Probably one way to increase fertilizers for plants not used to them are simple: slowly add more, but never add high dose at once. I wa expect only some scars, but several seedlings died right after fertilizers starts to cause problems.

But avoiding all ferts will cause very slow growth. These plants will tolerate them in general.. But excess amounts isn't so nice. (if person do not want to lost plants by accident)

I have so much them, and I am so lazy, I was discovered I had almost 20 hard grown peyote plants age of 2-4years or more stucked to one pot. I remember this at point when I found these.. hah.. Well good they were survived ayway.

This pot have too many lophophora plants obviously. Too much. I just had no container for them so decided to plant them to one tray, then separate this coming summer, but feels I don't have much space(otherwise I would not have lots of plants in small pot, I really have atm lack of space.. Just because I can't move anything to greenhouse till end May or early June. Depends how weather goes this spring. It's been very sunny here!

Yesterday I pollinated total 5 flowers to get more seeds out from these. I've noticed amount of seed and germination rate is greater if peyote receive pollen from plant next to it.

For some reason, peyote cactus do not "accept" own pollen, flower stays open days here. Usualy I know I am going to get big amount of seed per fruit when I see flowers dies istantly when receiving pollen from plant next to it. OR: They might mix own pollen to genetics too or something, but I doubt that since flower will not live any longer when it's been pollinated. Flowers what doesn't receive other plant pollen (self-sterile and self-fertile) ..Ariocarpus, lopohophora etc.. I have seen flower stay alive many days if another flower pollen don't end up to flower and "terminate" the job of flower. When I see flower don't die same evening I have add pollen to it. I know it's not good pollen or from wrong species.

But I haven't mixed more than different habitat plants together to do F1 strain.. Can yield any kind of plants, who knows..

Soon I have peyote old enough from my own seeds originally.. So actually using two certai peyote button as grafted. I can get F2 strain, but haven't think about that much.

I have sow some 50-60 seed around every pot and rocks in cactus containers. Seeds next to older peyote plants.. I don't know how deep they are or are they at surface..

I can report if I see peyote seedling grows as well near old peyote cactus as it grow inside humidity dome/bag.

Humidity just helps at beginning, but I usually start dry period when seedling tray gets first full dry, and I don't care how young seedling are when grow medium get dry, they endure relatively well in any circumsstances you might not even think how seedling can tolerate drought and seems they benefit from long droughts.. I was always ONLY after recent watered peyote "waterballoons" have get back to flat shape and soft. I just wait long sunny periods and then give watering they need and they plump up again, every time bigger and bigger, still every time the grow big, they should get shrink a bit before even think more watering.

Also I like random watering, Very random. It seems it's good to keep peyote plant in dry excess time and water only few times in year. (lik 4-6times per summer should be ok, but there are fastest way to grow this cactus but it's not related to this topic much..


These are my main mother/father plants for seeds I collect.. I have cut offshoots to cuttings from one plant. It had 2 buttons growing next to it. Now it's single head cactus but I was able to bury it several centimeters more under soil when removing those pups and take them for cuttings. Funny last sumer when I harvest two offshoots to cuttings, plant react By forcing 3 flowers right after offshoots harvested to cuttings.

Anyway, I spot new one with 3 flowers on it at same time.. All flowers had pollen from two different peyote. and two others got pollen from these flowers. I've count max seed amount ~30seeds/fruit.. Usually I got these amounts when I mix pollen to anothers. If someone flower alone, and in two-three days flower died, it will most likely grow fruit but seed count be very small. Just my observations about, seems seeds are better and yield more when tehy have been done By pollinating Willy x Willy.

This thread have plants Willy and koehresii mixed so I don't even know myself what tehy are. But they are just test subjects to this thread people can follow. If someone see this helps. :smile:


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    #21540698 - 04/13/15 08:10 AM (8 years, 9 months ago)

I give a good massive water flood to all of these pots yesterday. They were underwater minute or so yesterday when I water them. Grow medium just didn't soak the water so it float long time above and later on get in to ground.

Ugly but alive.

04/13/2015

I have been spray minor neem for them. Yesteday I give second good proper watering for this season. First watering wipe off few plants.. They started to get massive scars after I soak grow medium at first time. 6 plants per container alive.

I'll keep updating these actual plants sown at first place. Other pictures isn't from same seed sow than these. I have abused and treat wrong these alot in fact. So there are enough DONT'S around topic..

So far so good.. Let's see how these test subjects goes over this summer.:sunny:

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This how it should be done, sow and let 'em grow. Forget transplanting for first year or two. Give your absence for them. Just make sure grow medium is good and drainage holes are under the tray. I have only ~1inch of grow medium for these. 2/3rd = coco/rocks+perite 50/50. And 1/3rd top layer only rocks above coco+rock+perlite mixture. Seeds I've sown between the rocks at surface.

Tray I have not ever transplant anyone of them and did proper grow medium. Coco+rocks+perlite Watered same time. Plump up atm.  Surface keeps on living as coco coir underneath and peyote buttons shrink/plump up. I water these always when plants shrivel underground and have been flat for a while.



Thesse corner plants I didn't know there are any till I soak the tray for this season month ago and find them under rocks year later of sow. There are more plants under rocks I have found lately. Even seedlings germinated year later I see. I didn't know that corner of tray have seedlings till I spot them when they plump up and moved rocks away.. Then I spot there are many small seedilngs grown "underground" ..I don't know when or how they have survived and lived without I haven't seen them but here they are now.:lol:

That tray have been enjoy very much about my absence.


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    #21540847 - 04/13/15 09:09 AM (8 years, 9 months ago)

How many seeds you did sow the first time? ( the batch that you happened to get those 18 lophs)

By the way, those ones look great, how old are they?
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    #21540928 - 04/13/15 09:36 AM (8 years, 9 months ago)

They all look great man. And the ones that had visit from the assholes (mites) should outgrow it. In my garden, I tend to see grafted lophs succumb to mites more often than plants on their own roots.


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    #21541299 - 04/13/15 11:24 AM (8 years, 9 months ago)

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They all look great man. And the ones that had visit from the assholes (mites) should outgrow it. In my garden, I tend to see grafted lophs succumb to mites more often than plants on their own roots.




Here it's opposite. Grafted lophs never have mites here. Or very rarely spider mites just don't attack grafted buttons. And they are easy to keep away from them.


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    #21541339 - 04/13/15 11:31 AM (8 years, 9 months ago)

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How many seeds you did sow the first time? ( the batch that you happened to get those 18 lophs)

By the way, those ones look great, how old are they?
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Few months(3-5months) younger than actual lophs in this thread.

I sow 100 seeds at first time.. Lost many seedlings as young age.

They really don't need much human attention after first months of droughts starts. Better looking they turn if they have more dry time. Seems to resist bugs as well if tray is just doesn't taken care of anyway for a long time. These were last winter in dry long time. I soak them at March and most just survived and I spot a new plants grow under rocks.

Tray what I haven't done anything than watering and give once fertilizers do much better. Almost same age plants tho.

Younger, non disturbed ones do better atm,  I sow 600 seeds in to green tray there as "nursery mix bag" I got, not all germinated, but I have enough lophs from those seeds

I would say growing medium should be same several years without problems with lophophora. Give water when you dare or want, full soak. After first soak let 'em go dry and so on slowly remove the humidity as well.. That's how I did.


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    #21624784 - 05/02/15 03:48 AM (8 years, 8 months ago)

Recovering from mite attack and abused by me. :lol:

05/02/2015

Some really show signs of both, mites and nitrogen toxicity. Some have endure actually relatively well. I watered these yesterday.

I still use 10Wattage heating mat under these 3 pots at windowsill. Day times on, night off. I don't use timer anymore, I'll take it off at evening, add plug to wall at day time, if I remember. It's not so critical anymore to use it in general. And heating is off during winter.


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    #21625000 - 05/02/15 07:09 AM (8 years, 8 months ago)

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    #21625367 - 05/02/15 09:51 AM (8 years, 8 months ago)

Nice write up, I will have to come back and read through from the start.  Interesting about the nitrogen burn.  Have you ever had etiolation happen due to repotting in a more nutrient rich soil?  I had some seedlings in straight horticultural sand and switched them to a sand/rock/soil mix that is still relatively low nutrients but it was quite a lot more nutritious than the straight silica I started them in and they immediately changed shape from nice and flat to tall, sharp pencil tips.  This was with no change in light source or temperature.


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    #21626889 - 05/02/15 05:38 PM (8 years, 8 months ago)

Thanks for posts.. I'll update them how they heal over summer.:crazy2:

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Nice write up, I will have to come back and read through from the start.  Interesting about the nitrogen burn.  Have you ever had etiolation happen due to repotting in a more nutrient rich soil?  I had some seedlings in straight horticultural sand and switched them to a sand/rock/soil mix that is still relatively low nutrients but it was quite a lot more nutritious than the straight silica I started them in and they immediately changed shape from nice and flat to tall, sharp pencil tips.  This was with no change in light source or temperature.




I usually don't repot plants to rich soil, only using growing medium I have used before..(or even something similar mineral rich mixture of all kind of stuff I have). Because sudden rise of N cause always problems with lophophora, so far it seems stress of plant will totally cause mites to sense them. Anyways, they have been only target to plants I give a shitload of Nitrogen after season was over. Rich soil was ok in dry and cold ~4months, but after first soak at spring time some died some scarred a lot in day or so and scarring stopped but mites seems to be there too as well. This happened only those lophs I give strong fertilized coco coir. Well it wasn't so good call, even tho I think 50% of it wouldn't do a shit, but it did. I knew they don't like I repot them and start watering at spring, but actually few plants don't even have any N-burns, some have clearly scars, not typical to mites. (I mean other plantss I have, not those growing in pictures, scarred ones had already fertilized coco coir, as well as these).

These 3 pots in this thread I used on purpose fertilized coco coir marketed for cannabis cultivation with high NPK. Usually I use non-fertilized to prevent Nitrogen toxicity. Normally I use very low strenght fertilizers adding them via watering.

You may skip some posts, my english haven't been so good, or it's not so good atm anyway. Point is simple; sow seeds to tray with soil you are going to use all their first years. Transplant only if you find out your growing medium isn't proper at all and too damp.

Elongation of lophophora is simple. Either it's too much water or not enough light.

"Too much" water I mean plant never actually shrink much at all before it have got watered again, etc..

I've read trichs may elongate unecessary growth if they are in high N, never heard of peyote about that. IDK how lophs work but Nitrogen is always.... always toxic (at high doses) for plants and otherway, it's perfect fertilizer(with proper doses).

Nitrogen is only compound of fertilizers can actually be very toxic to any plant, even N-loving plants may die to Nitrogen toxicity. Dosage of nitrogen is more important to know when nursing plants than actual Nitrogen itself.

It's the dose what define Nitrogen either toxic or good as fertilizer in that sense.

You can do whatever you want to your seedlings in general. They can be grown in high N, and keep nutes high. They grow fast then.

You can't switch them fast from porous mix to "cannabis grow soil"-type strength new soil. It will cause problems, like you can see.

Anyways, elongation of peyote is kinda hard topic in general. I mean. Overwatering may cause them to look elongated without root rot. They do pretty well in long droughts and I've noticed about plant will go firm few days after watering and will grow in dry soil long time. And ofc, shrinking.. I usually feel and touch my plants to know do or not I water my plants. Also sunny periods effects to my watering cycle over grow season.

I think whole shrinking and plumping up again cause them in habitat to be buried by themselves. Big plant leave big hole, when it's shrinkin it will sink in to own hole till it's plump up again to surface. I mean in habitat.

Temperature have nothing to do much with elongation. If it's not there because you need to get soil dry fast with heat. Otherwise it's "too much" watering. Some even grow peyote at +40C or even +50C day time temps, with high NPK ferts. Best way to get peyote to grow with high ferts is just start them from seed in high fertilizer soil.

As you can see some have done ok even tho, there was relatively high amount of Nitrogen last autumn.

Plants didn't started to have problems when I moved 'em to high N soil. Only after dormant season first watering caused a massive scarring. So they spent several months in high N soil, but not watered. After long time I give 'em drink of water at spring and suddenly I see plants starts to drink, they started to get excess amounts of N as well as they started to drink water.

Coco coir (with ferts in it to cannabis) I used it at 50% strength and as I excpected first watering in new soil caused them to get corky asap. So they was nice and ok months, over winter. And first watering caused them to turn like that in few days.

I have later sown seeds to pure coco coir with same ferts in it. No problems. Seedlings do fine, they are flat and nice, and they have started their life in 200% more NPK in soil than these plants what got burnt from it.

I mean, no matter what plant you have, nitrogen is always toxic. Toxicity of Nitrogen will be determined by dose of N, not actual compound. Nitrogen is actually very good fertilizer but like drugs for human, it can cause overdose for plant and turn from good fertilizer to toxic levels. Even cannabis plants suffer nitrogen burns easy by giving too much at once.

Peyote can be grown in strong N, from seed or button cuttings can be planted to strong N soil/coco and keep on fertilizing. Sometimes fertilizers may cause plant to "burst" open like watering as well may do that. It's possible to get flowering, own root loph in 2-3years if you use strong fertilized soil for them from seed to actual mature cactus. And it need a bit risk with watering.

Some persons who sell peyotes to vendors use fungicides as well every time with watering to make possible to water peyote cactus 2-3times in week. Almost every second day. But those guys who do it have good climate to grow them. I can't use much water here but plant's tell me when they actually even need the water.

Think about, they have massive "barrel of water" underground stored to use when need, even soil is full dry around, they grow..:sun:

More less and random your watering is, more you can see it from shape of peyote. I mean potted plants. You can keep adult lophs long time without water and notice how they slowly turn more flat plants.

"water balloons" can be grown my adjusting watering to certain cycle. Out of random watering. Therefore you can get more balloon shape peyote plants.

I would say, if several weeks(months if older plant) long drought doesn't cause your lophs to turn flat, then it's problem of low light levels. But in general, peyote will do well in poor light without etiolation. Compared to many other faster growing columnars for example.


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Re: Lophophora Cultivation from seed to cactus [Re: Lemnaminor]
    #21627095 - 05/02/15 06:37 PM (8 years, 8 months ago)

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the one pupping from grow tip is gonna be rad!




That's relatively common behavior of lophophora seedlings btw. Usually happens to smaller seedlings, but seems damage of epidermis have caused it to grow totally new head. I have seen even bigger 3-5cm lophs do new "pup" by actually just growing new head above old button. Very rare behavior it is still to older and more diam. plants.


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    #21627976 - 05/02/15 10:07 PM (8 years, 8 months ago)

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the one pupping from grow tip is gonna be rad!




That's relatively common behavior of lophophora seedlings btw. Usually happens to smaller seedlings, but seems damage of epidermis have caused it to grow totally new head. I have seen even bigger 3-5cm lophs do new "pup" by actually just growing new head above old button. Very rare behavior it is still to older and more diam. plants.



Yeah, I had one batch where RSM damaged the tips on all the lophs and the all grew new heads, one of them ended up being dichotomous, which was cool.  At first I thought it was a crest, but no such luck.  :shrug:


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    #21647802 - 05/07/15 06:19 AM (8 years, 8 months ago)

There's an example from outdoors how nature behave and how humidity and temperature goes together, but opposite. This is critical with cactus cultivation. Exept temps should be higher than picture show.

Anyway, picture show relatively well how humidity swing as well benefit the cultivation. It happens with temperature swing automatically if air circulation is fine.

This is data from outdoors.

Sun barely warm up, but still it drops humidity for the day a lot. Numbers at horizontal lline are numbers for hours. This effect cause condensation water outdoors as well.

This is common climate behavior almost everywhere in this planet. So plants like those swings of humidity and temperature what happens on it's own outdoors.

Basically, only you need is temperature measuring and swing and humidity will typically behave then like it should without need to measure it with equipments.

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    #21708948 - 05/22/15 02:03 AM (8 years, 8 months ago)

Update, sunny day, recovering. I watered 'em yesterday.:pipesmoke:

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    #21708978 - 05/22/15 02:26 AM (8 years, 8 months ago)

Nice work IL. They look healthy. In a few years these horrible scars will be fully outgrown :grin:


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    #21709267 - 05/22/15 06:27 AM (8 years, 8 months ago)

Probably in just 2 years, as that scarred tissue would be underneath the head.
anyhow, sometimes a bit of scarring on big lophs gives them a bit of "old" that is not so bad to look at.


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    #21844682 - 06/23/15 04:29 AM (8 years, 7 months ago)

Update 06/23/2015

Abused plants, one more died plant to rot. Watered yesterday.


Control container plants. I've watered these early June.


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    #21844741 - 06/23/15 05:03 AM (8 years, 7 months ago)

Man, those are suffering badly from RSM. :\

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    #21845048 - 06/23/15 07:50 AM (8 years, 7 months ago)

Yea! Thanks for feedback! :smile:
I know RSM problem on those. I've not used pesticides for them as well. Actually forgot to use it and I don't like to use much pesticides this time of year because they kill predators I have there.

They are separated from my bigger plants anyway.:yesnod:

I haven't paid attention to those in three clay pots anyway.

Mites likes to attack those bad ones weak plants anyway, not to strong plants.:shrug:

I don't want to use much pesticides over summer anyway because of fragile native bugs.

Control tray have only fine sandy clay powder on top of them a bit what makes color for them.

Actually I spray'd them with pyrethrin water today. Hope it helps for these on thread.

Most of peyote does great. Flowering, fruiting etc.:dancer:

Trying to control them by keeping mite RSM infected plants at different windowsill anyway.


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    #21845197 - 06/23/15 09:01 AM (8 years, 7 months ago)

Rosemary oil is another option you can look into, IL.

I've apparently become obsessed with rosemary oil, I find myself recommending it quite a lot nowadays.


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    #21845281 - 06/23/15 09:38 AM (8 years, 7 months ago)

I know the problem of mites in my garden for these ones, thanks for tip anyway.:thumbup:


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    #21946224 - 07/15/15 08:02 AM (8 years, 6 months ago)

07/15/2015

I haven't watered them since last time. So it's a bit over 3weeks in dry atm. Gonna water these soon.. I'm just so lazy I don't see reason to water them yet. They look ok, even tho they have mites but few of them seems to recovering well. I still don't know what is williamsii and what is koehresii, but it doesn't matter with these. I want to surprise myself later down the road.. Flowers will tell it, don't know when it's time for them to flower anyway.. They do it when they want. :smile:
 

Control tray photos, 1,5months without water in baking sun. Shrinking and dehydrated plants. I've never moved these nor paid attention for them. For some reason random seedlings just rotted without any water for a long time. It seems almost like they kill eachothers. Well, whatever it is. Most of these seems fine. I've think to soak these today to water since it's been long time for them without any water. I just took a bit moar pics from these non-disturbed ones, only few weeks younger than thread related plants in clay pots. These are all williamsii, different population mix of seeds I had from one nursery. Relatively good amount of plants alive and I've kept them almost "too dry" and under hot sun.. I don't know why some of these just rot even tho it's been dry soon almost two months.. They don't seems to die to dehydration, simply rotting in dry rocks and coir. Well, it's their destiny.







They look like they need water, soon I can soak 'em for good, but not yet.. Damn these babies endure alot, even tho random plants have just died without a simple reason. It's not over watering anyways. Well it's worth it. I don't need plants can't tolerate conditions here. Funny how they just randomly rot in drough and sunny and near by plants do better. I haven't count the rotten ones, but I estimate about dozen plants have rot during drought. Usually those next to each another, it seems like they kill each another or something.. I don't know. Nature claims it's own it seems.

Should I wait till it's full 2months of dry till I water these in control tray? Or should I water 'em now? ...that's a question I don't know. I know they seriously would like to drink, but then I want to find out how they really behave as hard grown. I think these may plump up a lot when I give water for them. :smile:

That green tray is mostly forgotten ones all of 'em, I barely look after these babies and so far plants I've "taken care of" does worse than plants I don't care at all nor look after them. They could have taken more water but I just don't give it for them yet. They have had once fine mist of water but that's all.
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    #21946657 - 07/15/15 10:21 AM (8 years, 6 months ago)

Give those poor lophs a bit of water!!! XD

Seriously man, i like how you try to test their endurance, but it's not like you are training them to go in expedition to sahara desert, don't you?


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    #21946870 - 07/15/15 11:23 AM (8 years, 6 months ago)

I want only tough ones. They need to be cold tolerant as well, if not it's dead. Same with drought. It's best when I have only those endure best.
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But yea... I'm just waitin they cooldown from bakin sun of whole day till I soak them to water to let 'em drink! Fun to see how big the plump  and how fast..
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Shit, I've kept few months old yotes in plate in dark like 9months and they even wasn't dead, just looked like old lophs but miniature ones when I check them later. Basically I kept them in bare root near cold floor all over winter and summer and they were alive still. xD

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I soak'd them for you actually just right now. lol. :peace: (pic from wet grow medium and wet plants)
Fun to see how surface forms, because coir in the container swollen very fast, and now the plants as well starts to get bigger as they drink. I can take pics later how much they plump up after full soak after 1,5months of drought.
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35hours now after full soak of water.. it's 8am and sun already shine for them, slowly getting stronger.




Seems water flushed the greyish coloration of dry plants off from skin, with bare eye teir "hue" get's off what developes when plant is in dry for longer time. I haven't seen that gray hue appear to skin of peyote if there isn't dry periods. Or it's very minimal. Atleasy 4-6weeks cause them to react with growing medium to get grey color hue on skin. I've read they react with soil they are in and over dry time it causes grey coloration to skin of lophophora what seems to be just natural. Color haven't changed to same than they were before watering. Before watering from above: by let water run trough plants and growing medium and rest out from holes at bottom. I'm following how they plump up an how fast. I don't know what 1,5months dry does to to roots over grow season. :lol:


I'll check them after weekend how swollen plants they are and take pics, sometimes it take a while to cause dehydrated yote to get full firm and plump up with water.

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07/23/2015, control tray pic, few days after watering. 1,5months of dry before soak.


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    #21947243 - 07/15/15 12:53 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

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I want only tough ones. They need to be cold tolerant as well, if not it's dead. Same with drought. It's best when I have only those endure best.
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But yea... I'm just waitin they cooldown from bakin sun of whole day till I soak them to water to let 'em drink! Fun to see how big the plump  and how fast..
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Shit, I've kept few months old yotes in plate in dark like 9months and they even wasn't dead, just looked like old lophs but miniature ones when I check them later. Basically I kept them in bare root near cold floor all over winter and summer and they were alive still. xD

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I soak'd them for you actually just right now. lol. :peace: (pic from wet grow medium and wet plants)
Fun to see how surface forms, because coir in the container swollen very fast, and now the plants as well starts to get bigger as they drink. I can take pics later how much they plump up after full soak after 1,5months of drought.
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Ive got three 1-3mm lophs that I planted August 2013. They never took off, never grew. I finally stuck them outside this week and am seeing growth.


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    #25196866 - 05/11/18 01:10 AM (5 years, 8 months ago)

probably the best long term blog on growing L.W. on the net.

I wonder what is happening to the author in the Arctic Circle :smile: and to his/hers cacti


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