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applesmasher420
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Re: Lophophora Cultivation from seed with mini-greenhouse and heating pad. [Blog style project going] [Re: intelligentlife]
#19333013 - 12/27/13 01:26 PM (10 years, 1 month ago) |
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Keep up the good work!!!
Have you had success grafting any of the seedlings?
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Re: Lophophora Cultivation from seed with mini-greenhouse and heating pad. [Blog style project going] [Re: applesmasher420]
#19333121 - 12/27/13 02:02 PM (10 years, 1 month ago) |
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I like your style intelligentlife. Seems you know the key to keeping cacti compact. They grow to be beautiful babies.
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Re: Lophophora Cultivation from seed with mini-greenhouse and heating pad. [Blog style project going] [Re: ferrel_human]
#19333181 - 12/27/13 02:23 PM (10 years, 1 month ago) |
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This is grafted, got root rot. First success to pereskiopsis.
 Because of rot I decided to graft and when I get back home from trip I see scion is growing atm
I would not want to graft these more, mostly I have tried to grafting to seedlings what have basically "died" to rotting root. Only toughest have been basically survived..
I have few lophophora trays where is williamsii, diffusa, koehresii etc.. One is mostly full of diffusa, another tray is full of williamsii but I have throw few koehresii to both trays..
These plants are l. williamsii and l. koehresii mixed together.. I will see later from size and ribs what is koehresii and what is williamsii so I can separate them.. I just want to let them grow crowded and ID the plants separately later.. I have limited amount of space anyway and these are basically for decoration and hobby..
Anyway, it has cross my mind I probably graft peyotes only and then try to get as much as possible grafted active plants and maybe test out the potency of grafted one. I'm interested of plants grafted on permanent stock.. They can be harvested and let them produce offshoots. It will take it's own time but after year or two and enough of tricho/blue myrtle/etc stocks and peyote scions, I think I'm able to produce a plants I can harvest as well.. I slowly increase my grafted peyote amount. Maybe test out ingestion of grafted grown after few years when they produce enough mass.
I can buy relatively cheap small peyote cactus plants and graft them to columnars.. Then just wait and when scion is big enough, I think to cut top off and let it offshoot by leaving some behind.
But my point with this is not ingestion at all. Loph on pereskiopsis at picture are probably koehresii saved from root rot and succeed to attach woody pereskiosis. By growing peyote without pereskiopsis and probably harvest some, it's just my way I want to do it, low maintenance growing but faster than own root plant.
Because of injury of another hand, I have difficulties to handle so small scions and stocks what pereskiopsis grafts need, easier way is just to buy cheap amount of young below 1cm diameter seedlings and start grafting them to trichocereus or anykind of faster plant. I have plant to start pereskiopsis graft farm with peyote but I need to invent a tek how I can do it.. I have seriously injured another hand so it's tricky with them.. Only way I can see pereskiopsis worth of it I graft later scion to permanent stock to let it grow slower but way more bigger.
Edited by intelligentlife (12/27/13 02:32 PM)
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Re: Lophophora Cultivation from seed with mini-greenhouse and heating pad. [Blog style project going] [Re: intelligentlife]
#19333341 - 12/27/13 03:12 PM (10 years, 1 month ago) |
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Far out man!I guess we all know what your favorite type of plants are
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Re: Lophophora Cultivation from seed with mini-greenhouse and heating pad. [Blog style project going] [Re: KBG1977]
#19335755 - 12/28/13 06:30 AM (10 years, 1 month ago) |
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I just took photo from plants, they seems they like water shower I give them yesterday, smallest lophs have been risen to surface and are easier to detect now.
 Sorry about second picture, it's not focused where I wanted but there can be seen how plants have been stretch between rocks to surface.
Nothing much, I think these drink few days before they are full plump up.. And then I let the shrink back to small again.. 
Next summer these will going to have some occasional direct sun also..
Edited by intelligentlife (12/28/13 06:34 AM)
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Re: Lophophora Cultivation from seed with mini-greenhouse and heating pad. [Blog style project going] [Re: intelligentlife]
#19403319 - 01/11/14 11:15 AM (10 years, 19 days ago) |
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Some update. Pics taken at 11th of January 2014
I haven't watered them since last update. They stay plump up about 8-9days and now they're little bit shrink but I just don't want to water these.. Need to wait till they starts to shrink more!
From 100 seeds sown, after one too big flood to bad growing medium what wipe out most of rot prone specimens, there are now the "survivors" everyone in one pot. Next watering will be with some fertilizers..
Pics:

I think I hold watering week or two more t complete full one month without water.. These are still some plump up even they're not anymore so firm than week ago. Also beautiful color have come back by holding the water from plants. 
Nothing much more with this update tho. just wanted to share some pics for you.. These have some grey coloration with maturing epidermis visible.. And I use only shit fluoro lights, 2700K and 6500K color temperature.
There is still one someway discolored very small seedling, can you spot it? I'm not sure is there variagate or just common discoloration what turns normal. Time will tell..
Next watering will be fertilized.. and long drought before summer.. So when first hot temperatures hit, I can water very thirsty plants for good! 
These are just looking very cute when kept long drought between watering..
Edited by intelligentlife (01/11/14 11:29 AM)
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Re: Lophophora Cultivation from seed with mini-greenhouse and heating pad. [Blog style project going] [Re: intelligentlife]
#19403464 - 01/11/14 11:52 AM (10 years, 19 days ago) |
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I like how you said" when first hot temperature hits" .
Whats the hottest its ever gotten? Enlighten me intelligent.
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Re: Lophophora Cultivation from seed with mini-greenhouse and heating pad. [Blog style project going] [Re: ferrel_human]
#19403826 - 01/11/14 01:16 PM (10 years, 19 days ago) |
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Quote:
ferrel_human said: I like how you said" when first hot temperature hits" .
Whats the hottest its ever gotten? Enlighten me intelligent.
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Last summer was ~20 days of +30-32C temperatures.
Commonly cloudy rain day are +8-15C.. Thunder rain can be +20C
If it's not "hot" but normal shiny day ad wind doesn't blow from north typically temperatures are around +18-25C or so.
Even I am far away at north.. There is warm because eastern atlantic ocean current are warm always. there are rarely wind from north at summer.. Winter happens polar vortex winds what can hit there(this year they seems to hit states...
Anyway, sahara desert at equator and africa coast heat eastern atlantic and that warm current allow us very mild weather compared to I'm above arctic circle.
Whole north europe is basically warm beause of that ocean current and it keeps also arctic sea year around open.. If you know city of Murmansk in Russia, they have harbor where water never freeze at ocean beause of that current and we benefit from it also.
If High pressure air hit there and stay above us like last summer happened.. We had long time +30C temps at May..
Instead of summer 2012 was so mild not even all native plants have time to bloom.. basically spring changed directly to fall.. Shortest summe I've ever seen was 2012.. And 2013 hottest.. 300km north from there measured +32C at end of May and this kind of temps have never been measured in history so north..
So.. There is sub-arctic climate..

There are some statistics.. about my climate. But past few year have not been like statistics.. Climate is totally different than it have been in the past. There is more warmer and longer summer in general.. I will wait and see what kind of 2014 summer are going to be.. If it's like 2013, it's hard time for native wild life.. Arctic wildlife are very slowly recovering and few degree average increase can wipe out lots of endangered species of plants there. Also trees are there about 6-8meter tall maximum.. But without east atlantic warm current and heating effect of africa, this part of the world would more way more colder.. I'm just worried about climate change reported to happen over few years now.. More easily it can be seen there..
Some small information: Days are getting longer/shorter 6-7minutes/day.. about 1hour/week.. Mid-summer there is no night and day last 2months before first dark times comes.. then starts to come frosts with dark also. Winter is opposite.. 2months long depressive darkness with 1hour of dusk at mid-winter.
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Re: Lophophora Cultivation from seed with mini-greenhouse and heating pad. [Blog style project going] [Re: intelligentlife]
#19404137 - 01/11/14 02:29 PM (10 years, 19 days ago) |
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I did a converison on 32 celcius and thats pretty hot.
Off topic but do you get depressed when there is no sun?
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Re: Lophophora Cultivation from seed with mini-greenhouse and heating pad. [Blog style project going] [Re: ferrel_human]
#19404264 - 01/11/14 03:01 PM (10 years, 19 days ago) |
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ferrel_human said: I did a converison on 32 celcius and thats pretty hot.
Off topic but do you get depressed when there is no sun?
Holy crap ferrel,I'm suffering from mild depression from the lack of sun right now,and My sister and I were just discussing this!
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Re: Lophophora Cultivation from seed with mini-greenhouse and heating pad. [Blog style project going] [Re: ferrel_human]
#19404323 - 01/11/14 03:14 PM (10 years, 19 days ago) |
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ferrel_human said: I did a converison on 32 celcius and thats pretty hot.
Off topic but do you get depressed when there is no sun?
It's common, come visit me at mid-winter and spent one month in darkness and cold.. It's depressing and brain chemistry changes when eyes doesn't receive sun or bright light.
But the glory and joy when first good sun rays starts to shine, you never forget it! Also summer when it's never dark, sun shines from north at mid-night etc..
Common depression over winter around there is scientifically proven thing, people feel more tired because lack of light brains are full of melatonin hormone, and also human is day living mammal. Constant feeling of dark and no sun causes depression and tired feeling.. It will effect your mind trust me...
I don't say strong lights help things out but mentally, there need to be adjusted but it's so hard.. Because of tough winters, there are celebrated mid-summer widely, mid-summer are holiday there, it's important day for people there..
Anyway, about depression at winter time, it's very normal if you're in the dark and cold months and months, it's getting very hard, depression comes and fatigue follows..
I can sleep 20hours directly over one day at winter, human system are so complex.. But when your eyes doesn't have used to sunshine for months, it will effect you, and when you starts to see sun, the joy and glory is very nice, also the times when snow starts smelting, sun shines more and more higher and so on, first hot day and everything, then it's worth of it.. and you don't even remember whole dark winter nor care about it... Seem everyone "woke up" and got some buzz when summer is coming.. People more around, talk, have fun etc..
You should basically experience whole year in arctic, from fall to next fall, you can experience coming winter, long dark winter, fast coming spring, sudden summer, 2months long day, fall, late fall and winter again... Then you can feel the coming depression of fall and mood light of spring.. It's hard to explain but everyone depress because sun disappear or day's get too short.
There is dramatically vary from winter to summer.. Summer max can me around +30C hot and dry.. And winter minimum can go to -40C... Afaik -42C=-42F, is it? or some close number?
Now it's very funny outdoors, every hour temperature vary from -22C to -34C now.. Odd.
Edited by intelligentlife (01/11/14 03:18 PM)
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Re: Lophophora Cultivation from seed with mini-greenhouse and heating pad. [Blog style project going] [Re: intelligentlife]
#19404731 - 01/11/14 04:50 PM (10 years, 19 days ago) |
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Oh I forgot to add update photo from one seedling from this patch I have grafted to pereskiopsis and saved from root rot.
Root rot cactus was mutilated and now it's a funny mudstick... 

First photo taken at 12/27/2013 and second at 01/11/2014..
Even this is not part of this thread but some comparsion.. Graft have been done somewhere at beginning of December or something, don't remember correctly because this was just experiment and accidentally succeed graft.. 
I can update this root rot saved specimen grafted after 5months of growth, it rotted slowly and basically I had no choice than try graft what succeed..
Hope I see how big button I ca grow from this, then degraft or keep attached to pereskiopsis and use this as mother plant when pollinating fricii or koehresii.. Assuming this is koehresii what I will find out fast.
Edited by intelligentlife (01/11/14 04:52 PM)
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Re: Lophophora Cultivation from seed with mini-greenhouse and heating pad. [Blog style project going] [Re: intelligentlife]
#19405015 - 01/11/14 06:01 PM (10 years, 19 days ago) |
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I like that 8ne man, I want to graft my alberto vojtechii buttons but I got now stock.
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Re: Lophophora Cultivation from seed with mini-greenhouse and heating pad. [Blog style project going] [Re: ferrel_human]
#19431569 - 01/17/14 01:33 AM (10 years, 14 days ago) |
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17th of January. Quick update, want to show picture about plants plump up a bit.
3days after shower of fertilized water.

I suspect there is one variegate coming! Maybe? I can't be sure yet but seems it's not like another seedlings what comes coloration of epidermis, not sure yet tho. 

Project going good even I have lost almost half of the plants to rot.. Well they was not strong enough anyway for me then.
I have increase day time few hours, seedling pot are standing above heat mat and they have been adjusted to dry air now for few weeks. End of the month they reach age of 7 months or so.
Edited by intelligentlife (01/17/14 01:36 AM)
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Re: Lophophora Cultivation from seed with mini-greenhouse and heating pad. [Blog style project going] [Re: intelligentlife]
#19431618 - 01/17/14 01:45 AM (10 years, 14 days ago) |
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There is always some safety in numbers
Looking great!
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Re: Lophophora Cultivation from seed with mini-greenhouse and heating pad. [Blog style project going] [Re: Corporal Kielbasa]
#19431705 - 01/17/14 02:29 AM (10 years, 14 days ago) |
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Looking good, IL.
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Re: Lophophora Cultivation from seed with mini-greenhouse and heating pad. [Blog style project going] [Re: LSoares]
#19434919 - 01/17/14 08:11 PM (10 years, 13 days ago) |
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Re: Lophophora Cultivation from seed with mini-greenhouse and heating pad. [Blog style project going] [Re: KBG1977]
#19500178 - 01/31/14 07:44 AM (10 years, 3 hours ago) |
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Good work, i just done the same thing,waiting for first greens.
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Re: Lophophora Cultivation from seed with mini-greenhouse and heating pad. [Blog style project going] [Re: experimadness]
#19524294 - 02/05/14 09:07 AM (9 years, 11 months ago) |
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Some update.. Pictures from 5th day of February.
Plants are now under small fluoro tube and I'm waiting day time light getting longer so I can add these to windowsill soon.. These are watered 1,5weeks ago but still appearance is kinda plumped.
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Re: Lophophora Cultivation from seed with mini-greenhouse and heating pad. [Blog style project going] [Re: intelligentlife]
#19564515 - 02/14/14 01:58 AM (9 years, 11 months ago) |
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It's valentine's day..14th of February. Some different updates about.

I am pretty confidence I have one variegate lohp.. This is clearly discolored one. 
 I would like to graft this but I don't trust my skills to risk this.
Pereskiopsis graft update from root rot saved lophophopra from this patch

Overall, watered few days ago.
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