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Hooray4Hoffman
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Monotub - pins AND trich
#18843819 - 09/15/13 09:26 AM (10 years, 4 months ago) |
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My monotub consolidated beautifully and I put in my polyfill a few days after 100%. That was 8 days ago. This morning I noticed I'm getting my first pins but I also have a nice ugly patch of trich.
Well fuck.
I plan on hitting the green spot with some salt to buy a little time and maybe get a couple fruits... I think the weather has cooled down enough to where I can move this to a (not climate controlled but insulated) storage room off the back of my house... and then after that I'll bury it in the back yard in a shady spot.

Any other thoughts?
And here I was really looking forward to a big success with this tub.
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FrankHorrigan
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Trich is a mean bitch.
Make sure to pasteurize properly and smell each jar of grain spawn before using it.
I doubt you'll get much food from that tub at this point, anything you do to the surface won't affect how it is ripping through your substrate underneath.
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Hooray4Hoffman
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Hey Frank.
You talk about the trich going to work under the surface -- wouldn't that argue for surgical intervention? And yet I see it often written that people shouldn't bother with that.
So I know my processes aren't 100% perfect, as I'll explain below -- this is mainly due to what I have to work with.
I used a slightly modified Damion5050 bucket tek to pasteurize the sub. I know that's not a very popular method among many (including yourself) but due to timing and a lack of other materials in which to pasteurize the sub in smaller batches, I went with that.
The WBS jars all smelled mushroomy.
I was impressed by how nicely and evenly the tub colonized.
I'm fruiting in a spare bedroom/office that has a ceiling fan (I leave it on low to encourage FAE) and -- wait for it -- carpet. There really aren't any good uncarpeted rooms I can use. I have previously successfully fruited from a tray in a SGFC in the same room -- this is with regular misting and fanning, so obviously introducing more air from the room didn't kill that tray before the flush. I had to leave town so I vacuum sealed the colonized sub, then soaked it when I came back and attempted a second flush. It picked up some green soon thereafter so immediately I tossed it.
I know there are a few places where this mono could have gone wrong. I'm a little hampered by my inability to create a 100% perfect setup that could eliminate more variables.
Edited by Hooray4Hoffman (09/15/13 10:28 AM)
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FrankHorrigan
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I fruit in a room covered in carpet, with a house covered with carpet. PRoper pasteurization will save your ass in this situation.
I would imagine the bucket tek is the problem here. Trich has a distinct "mint"-like, "fresh" smell that is hard to miss on your grains.
Trich is not going to be distinguishable to the naked eye when you are looking at the interior of your sub. The mycelium is white, the spores are green.
Trich is a fungicidal fungus, it is not to be fucked with. It literally thinks of your mycelium as MOAR FOOD.
People have tried everything from salt to hot wax to excision, it never stops it.
And if you take a big cut from your substrate, you're probably going to cause the rest of those pins to delay/stall/abort, which is just going to give the trich more time to do its thing.
Edited by FrankHorrigan (09/15/13 09:24 PM)
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Mush4Brains
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I'd get to burying ASAP. Frank nailed it, you're not going to get much out of that and only increase the possibility for contamination later if you let more trich sporulate.
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Re: Monotub - pins AND trich [Re: Mush4Brains]
#18845248 - 09/15/13 04:28 PM (10 years, 4 months ago) |
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this happened to me a few weeks ago, I used salt and that was ineffective so I cut out the moldy chunk, they never fruited and mold took over.
A tub before that got soaked by rain and idk what happened but it had over 50 pins and they all aborted.
This was all with panaeolus but either way, bury your tub and hope for the best. I learned to stick with indoors
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Re: Monotub - pins AND trich [Re: gman7104]
#18845278 - 09/15/13 04:39 PM (10 years, 4 months ago) |
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Ah, the summer time blues...again for yet someone else.
Proper pasteurization is key.
Don't be sad. Fall is around the corner. Learn now though.
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Re: Monotub - pins AND trich [Re: azur]
#18846432 - 09/15/13 09:20 PM (10 years, 4 months ago) |
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right. My substrate was sterilized
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Hooray4Hoffman
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Re: Monotub - pins AND trich [Re: gman7104]
#18860337 - 09/18/13 09:07 PM (10 years, 4 months ago) |
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We had a burial tonight. There was actually one fruit about an inch high, and a few other small pins/fruits, that I left intact and near the surface so maybe those will keep growing.
I have a good shady spot where I also planted a fern previously for extra shade and humidity. I dug a shallow hole and broke the sub into large chunks. Filled in the gaps with compost and covered it all with a light layer of compost and dirt. Tossed some grass clippings and pine straw on top.
I hope it's not too late in the year for this to have a chance of succeeding, but I am in zone 8 (southeast) and we should have decent temperatures through most of October.
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azur
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Should be good. Water it 2 or 3 times a day using a nozzle on a light setting
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Hooray4Hoffman
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Re: Monotub - pins AND trich [Re: azur]
#18943791 - 10/07/13 08:35 AM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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Good news. My little outdoor patch has borne fruit. So that was 2.5 weeks after burying - not bad. Pulled out 26g wet from two small clusters.
Bad news. Something was eating the caps. Caps were partially or completely devoured. Slugs? Salt border, beer bath? Charred wood bits?
Good news. It'll be raining the next 3 days. Maybe more surprises to come...
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Hooray4Hoffman
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Re: Monotub - pins AND trich [Re: mpd]
#18943835 - 10/07/13 09:05 AM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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Something I just thought about. If a bug or whatever has eaten caps, wouldn't that mean it's going to excrete spores at some point? Unless they get broken down during digestion. (Not the case with, say, horses, right?) Conceivably, could this contribute to spreading and more growth, no?
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Hooray4Hoffman said: My monotub consolidated beautifully and I put in my polyfill a few days after 100%. That was 8 days ago. This morning I noticed I'm getting my first pins but I also have a nice ugly patch of trich.
You did it backwards. The polyfill goes in at spawning, and then is removed or reduced for fruiting to give more fresh air. RR
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Hooray4Hoffman
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Re: Monotub - pins AND trich [Re: RogerRabbit]
#18944288 - 10/07/13 11:20 AM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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I was following the procedure that calls for taping up the holes until after consolidation, then polyfil after that. The holes weren't open prior to attempting to fruit.
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Hooray4Hoffman
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Re: Monotub - pins AND trich [Re: RogerRabbit]
#18961160 - 10/10/13 07:41 PM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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RogerRabbit said:
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Hooray4Hoffman said: My monotub consolidated beautifully and I put in my polyfill a few days after 100%. That was 8 days ago. This morning I noticed I'm getting my first pins but I also have a nice ugly patch of trich.
You did it backwards. The polyfill goes in at spawning, and then is removed or reduced for fruiting to give more fresh air. RR
Huh... all be damned. Note taken and thank you.
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Re: Monotub - pins AND trich [Re: RogerRabbit]
#18961184 - 10/10/13 07:48 PM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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RogerRabbit said: You did it backwards. The polyfill goes in at spawning, and then is removed or reduced for fruiting to give more fresh air. RR
Or, like a lot of people here, the holes are taped up during colonization and then packed loosely with polyfill for fruiting and more FAE.
Not saying you are wrong in any way, but there is more than one way to skin a cat.
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Re: Monotub - pins AND trich [Re: PussyFart]
#18961386 - 10/10/13 08:49 PM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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Quote:
Notahacker420 said:
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RogerRabbit said: You did it backwards. The polyfill goes in at spawning, and then is removed or reduced for fruiting to give more fresh air. RR
Or, like a lot of people here, the holes are taped up during colonization and then packed loosely with polyfill for fruiting and more FAE.
Not saying you are wrong in any way, but there is more than one way to skin a cat.
Agreed. Every tub I have done I have taped the holes shut for colonization and just relied on the imperfect fitting lid for ge. Then at 100 percent colonization I take the tape off and stuff the bottom holes tight and the top holes loose with polyfill. Once it starts to pin I usually remove the polyfill from one of the top holes. I have had very good results with this method
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Re: Monotub - pins AND trich [Re: mpd]
#18962156 - 10/10/13 11:51 PM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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