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Fishing is a cruel sport/hobby, * 2
    #18842536 - 09/14/13 09:19 PM (10 years, 4 months ago)

As a nature enthusiast and lover i decided to gander over here to The Great Outdoors thread. Immediately I noticed the large amounts of fishing related threads all from a similar perspective so I decided to create my own.

Now i can understand the excitement and thrill that is associated with fishing and also other social aspects that can be included in the experience.

I am more able to empathize with the fisher whom relies on it as a source of vital food necessary for survival as apposed to sport and recreational.

I just cant seem to understand how it can be seen as humane to rip jaws, flesh, chunks, bits, tear fins, descale, terrify, and suffocate these beautiful forms of life. To cause them to bleed and to loose eyes for fun and enjoyment.

Surly that's not the purpose to maim these fish and aquatic animals, but there is no way to ensure that you are not injuring these fish while using needle sharp fish hooks and lures.

Not only does it cause physical harm but there are numerous study's on the effects on overall breeding habits, migrations, and environmental impacts that fishing has on the natural environment.

Fish are living creatures as you and I and some species can sense pain very similarly to us. However most sense pain in different ways very uncompareable.

Surely i am not the only one who sees fishing as a negative and harmful sport.


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Re: Fishing is a cruel sport/hobby, [Re: Ras Rising]
    #18842575 - 09/14/13 09:30 PM (10 years, 4 months ago)

a fish would fuck you up if you were the size of a food source. Fish don't give a shit if you are an innocent baby bird or a tadpole just getting it's way in the world. They also don't just attack to survive. Fish will fuck up shit for no apparent reason at all.

The world is a cruel place. I believe a fish getting caught is the least of it's worries (assuming we are talking catch and release) but that's my take.

Animals die in millions of ways that are much more cruel than how humans do it.


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Re: Fishing is a cruel sport/hobby, [Re: audiophoenix]
    #18842612 - 09/14/13 09:42 PM (10 years, 4 months ago)

But i dont think excusing humans of hurting a living creature (regardless of its instincts and violent behavior) simply because nature has ways more cruel than how humans would hurt them is a viable excuse for doing so. I guess personally i think humans having greater cognitive and conscious capacity would be more endearing and compassionate for the forms of life we live with. I would also like to think we could as a collective whole value all forms of life even if they are not conscious as we are that means we can control what happens to them and the environment and ultimately the universe so really there is no excuse.


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Re: Fishing is a cruel sport/hobby, [Re: Ras Rising] * 1
    #18845070 - 09/15/13 03:34 PM (10 years, 4 months ago)

I freedive spearfish. I don't really consider it a sport, i guess it's somewhat of a hobby, but it's mainly a way of life for me. I eat what ever I kill, and I give the less palatable parts to my chickens. Bones go in the compost pile. Everything is used.

I wouldn't say what I do is cruel. It's just a way for me to feel alive and obtain food. It's a level playing field out there in the ocean. Plenty of sharks out there that could kill me if they wanted to. I don't consider them "cruel" they're just doing what they do to survive, and so am I. Such is life.


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Re: Fishing is a cruel sport/hobby, [Re: ButteredToast]
    #18845975 - 09/15/13 07:36 PM (10 years, 4 months ago)

few life forms are aware of their own mortality.


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Re: Fishing is a cruel sport/hobby, [Re: Rockhound]
    #18846665 - 09/15/13 10:16 PM (10 years, 4 months ago)

I fish but I throw everything I catch back unless it is hooked in the gills and it will die.
As long as you don't fish illegally I don't think fishing is especially cruel.
It is impossible to get food to your table without killing animals, same goes for shelter, power, water and all other things we need to live.
I shouldn't even have to mention all things we have but not need.
Modern recreational fishing if done legally is very humane and is selective.
You can't fish more than one fish at a time unless you use nets or have a whole bunch of rods trolling.


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Re: Fishing is a cruel sport/hobby, [Re: Psilopsychosis]
    #18847298 - 09/16/13 12:45 AM (10 years, 4 months ago)

pink salmon


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Re: Fishing is a cruel sport/hobby, [Re: Psilopsychosis]
    #18847727 - 09/16/13 05:28 AM (10 years, 4 months ago)

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Psilopsychosis said:
I fish but I throw everything I catch back unless it is hooked in the gills and it will die.
As long as you don't fish illegally I don't think fishing is especially cruel.
It is impossible to get food to your table without killing animals, same goes for shelter, power, water and all other things we need to live.
I shouldn't even have to mention all things we have but not need.
Modern recreational fishing if done legally is very humane and is selective.
You can't fish more than one fish at a time unless you use nets or have a
whole bunch of rods trolling.




Its very possible to get food to your table without the killing of animals, and same got shelter power and all the other things we need to live. Yes animal products are convenient and easy to convert but there are better materials for all our needs.


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Re: Fishing is a cruel sport/hobby, [Re: Ras Rising]
    #18847734 - 09/16/13 05:32 AM (10 years, 4 months ago)

Im hearing a lot of the same arguments though based on a fishes knowing of their surroundings, natural selection, and some loosely based recreation when done by a single pole not massive fish farming, netting etc. But i guess i was really looking for some one to re-butt some moral and ethical stances I had touched upon. Because yes they can and perhaps will get killed other ways maybe more cruel than out own hand. But we are still the ones who have the power, the ones who are in control and have a moral choice and can make a educated decision and unless it is life or death, or something your culture and peoples has survived off of for hundreds of years i think its a moral grey area.


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Re: Fishing is a cruel sport/hobby, [Re: loco801]
    #18847738 - 09/16/13 05:33 AM (10 years, 4 months ago)

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loco801 said:
pink salmon





They are beautiful fish arnt they... im just unsure of your point :P and it would be nice to see these... not on land seems outlandish :P


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Re: Fishing is a cruel sport/hobby, [Re: Ras Rising]
    #18848033 - 09/16/13 08:04 AM (10 years, 4 months ago)

When I throw a fresh-caught fillet on the campfire, I feel no remorse, only a tingling in my taste buds and anticipation of a tender piece of lemon pepper meat filling my belly. Op, is it possible you are ascribing advanced mammal emotions  to fish? Very few animals, such as humans, elephants, dolphins, and a few other primates, seem to hold reverence for dead relatives, and self-aware of their own motality. Even single-celled organisms respond to their enviromnent.


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Re: Fishing is a cruel sport/hobby, [Re: Rockhound] * 1
    #18848220 - 09/16/13 09:22 AM (10 years, 4 months ago)

guys, i just about wrote a long post responding to the OP, but as an ethical sportsman, i find its just a waste of time to argue with these type of folks, its usually best to let it go. BUT,OP, ill be thinking about this post, the next time i drive my stainless steel gig through a flounder,feel the crunch of metal crushing bone and see him flopping his last breath away...and then i will go home and enjoy eating my prize with no remorse what so ever. :cool:  have a nice day.


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Re: Fishing is a cruel sport/hobby, [Re: Ras Rising]
    #18848580 - 09/16/13 11:13 AM (10 years, 4 months ago)

I go fishing quite a lot, for a hobby and for food. I smoked these up and they're quite delicious. I guess there wan't a point besides showing what I caught. But to make a point, pink salmon are abundant and most you dont catch anyways. Plus, native kings are illegal to take. There is fishing rules like "barbless hooks" and limits for a reason.


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Re: Fishing is a cruel sport/hobby, [Re: flat1]
    #18849773 - 09/16/13 03:46 PM (10 years, 4 months ago)

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guys, i just about wrote a long post responding to the OP, but as an ethical sportsman, i find its just a waste of time to argue with these type of folks, its usually best to let it go. BUT,OP, ill be thinking about this post, the next time i drive my stainless steel gig through a flounder,feel the crunch of metal crushing bone and see him flopping his last breath away...and then i will go home and enjoy eating my prize with no remorse what so ever. :cool:  have a nice day.




Im not trying to argue im stating points and validating them if anything its more of a debate. I'm really trying to stay open minded and see and understand it fully from both perspectives. Im just surprised as to how many pro-fishing enthusiasts there are and the lack there of ones opposing on this site just to point out a demographic. I'm not telling you to stop, although i believe it would come with great benefit, instead im trying to have you to think and ponder on the opposite view and really and truly consider the actions and activities we choose to partake in, Namely fishing.


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Re: Fishing is a cruel sport/hobby, [Re: Ras Rising]
    #18849877 - 09/16/13 04:05 PM (10 years, 4 months ago)

Interesting that you see it as "we are humans therefore we have an emotional obligation" but the decision making that goes into whether to fish or not is due to us being creatures of logic.  And once you see that emotions don't factor into the equation of most fisherman, it can't be used to argue for or against it. 

In my personal opinion it comes down to time consumption and the hint of grey you speak is the same color everything in nature is stained with.  Anyone out there fishing one at a time they can't be doing anymore damage than another apex level predator.  As long as the system stays sustainable we have a privilege to enjoy the land we work hard to preserve.


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Re: Fishing is a cruel sport/hobby, [Re: loco801]
    #18850115 - 09/16/13 04:48 PM (10 years, 4 months ago)





I don't agree with huge nets taking out entire schools of tuna.  I believe in catch and release but I also believe in taking some for the table.  I always try to respect the animal and I even do a small ceremony of thanks when I harvest a fish or any animal.    Hunting and fishing is often a ceremonial thing to most even if they don't really realize it.


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Re: Fishing is a cruel sport/hobby, [Re: Ras Rising]
    #18852837 - 09/17/13 09:29 AM (10 years, 4 months ago)

sorry if i came off as a hard-ass about it, but this post brought back

a memory from a few years ago. i was sittign down at a local pier

fishing for shark(which i release, as humanly as poosible) and this

group of anti-fisherman walked up to us and started harrassing us

about how fishing is so "cruel and inhumane" and other stuff. well we

told them to leave us alone, so while they were walking away they

stopped by our cooler and procced to start throwing all of our DEAD

bait in the water,while screaming "swim away little fishey!"

(i guess wasting my DEAD bait is saving the mullets life...) needless

to say, we chased em off them pier and they were lucky to not be

swimming back to shore! so sorry im a lil edgy on this subject>


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Re: Fishing is a cruel sport/hobby, [Re: Ras Rising]
    #18852904 - 09/17/13 09:58 AM (10 years, 4 months ago)

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Rasliam said:
Im hearing a lot of the same arguments though based on a fishes knowing of their surroundings, natural selection, and some loosely based recreation when done by a single pole not massive fish farming, netting etc. But i guess i was really looking for some one to re-butt some moral and ethical stances I had touched upon. Because yes they can and perhaps will get killed other ways maybe more cruel than out own hand. But we are still the ones who have the power, the ones who are in control and have a moral choice and can make a educated decision and unless it is life or death, or something your culture and peoples has survived off of for hundreds of years i think its a moral grey area.


So you are trying to apply social morays against the laws of natural selection ? I catch and release all my fish unless it is a tasty variety but how is any different than either cutting down a tree or pounding a foot long spike into it at the Rainbow Children thing. How do you know that tree does not feel? If you shear a sheep to stay warm does the sheep get cold ? These are moral questions you should be asking yourself. Most of the Shroomerites as well as other outdoorsmen I know under stand this DO NOT WASTE. How do you know that the plant you just ate was not intended for a Groundhog or Rabbit. Then here comes Mr Bunny saying damn some CRUEL SOB DONE STOLE WHAT I WAS GONNA EAT ALL WINTER. Ponder that.


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Re: Fishing is a cruel sport/hobby, [Re: flat1]
    #18852919 - 09/17/13 10:02 AM (10 years, 4 months ago)

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flat1 said:
sorry if i came off as a hard-ass about it, but this post brought back

a memory from a few years ago. i was sittign down at a local pier

fishing for shark(which i release, as humanly as poosible) and this

group of anti-fisherman walked up to us and started harrassing us

about how fishing is so "cruel and inhumane" and other stuff. well we

told them to leave us alone, so while they were walking away they

stopped by our cooler and procced to start throwing all of our DEAD

bait in the water,while screaming "swim away little fishey!"

(i guess wasting my DEAD bait is saving the mullets life...) needless

to say, we chased em off them pier and they were lucky to not be

swimming back to shore! so sorry im a lil edgy on this subject>



Man they started a chum line for ya :laugh2: You should have kept them at it all night. BTW where was this?


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Re: Fishing is a cruel sport/hobby, [Re: r00tuuu123]
    #18853309 - 09/17/13 12:10 PM (10 years, 4 months ago)

Driving in cars kills so much wildlife. I can see all the frogs, toads, snakes, turtles, mice, rabbits, squirrels, raccoon, possums etc splattered and spread across the highways.  Most people are so oblivious to the fact that they are killing stuff almost every time they drive down a country road. I try to notice the critters and try to avoid them.  But being a passenger I notice just how many are on the road and how oblivious drivers can be.

Sorry its off topic.  But since we are talking about being cruel and killing animals.  Lets talk about all the wasted life we obliviously crush on our way to the mall or what ever.

spring rains bring out all the frogs and salamanders and they migrate from the forests to the bodies of water to do it for a few nights.  On their way across roads they get annihilated by the thousands.  IMO certain roads should be closed a few days during the wet breading season.


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    #18854665 - 09/17/13 05:55 PM (10 years, 4 months ago)

navarre beach gulf pier...yeah they were about to be the chum themselves.  :fishsmack:


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Re: Fishing is a cruel sport/hobby, [Re: Ras Rising]
    #18857099 - 09/18/13 08:49 AM (10 years, 4 months ago)

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Rasliam said:
Quote:

Psilopsychosis said:
I fish but I throw everything I catch back unless it is hooked in the gills and it will die.
As long as you don't fish illegally I don't think fishing is especially cruel.
It is impossible to get food to your table without killing animals, same goes for shelter, power, water and all other things we need to live.
I shouldn't even have to mention all things we have but not need.
Modern recreational fishing if done legally is very humane and is selective.
You can't fish more than one fish at a time unless you use nets or have a
whole bunch of rods trolling.




Its very possible to get food to your table without the killing of animals, and same got shelter power and all the other things we need to live. Yes animal products are convenient and easy to convert but there are better materials for all our needs.




I am not talking about animal products...

Think about all the animals who die when their habitat is destroyed to make orgainc soyabean fields.
Think about all the animals who die when the timber that is used to build your home is harvested.
Think about the incredible amount of animals that die when a river is walled off by a dam and everything behind it is flooded.
I don't know about you but Id rather have my throat slit and gutted then freeze or starve to death over winter.

That is just type of stuff that happens in our countries.
Everytime someone eats (real) mdma they are helping to destroy large parts of Cambodian rainforest and push and ancient tree that has been used medecinally by the natives for centuries into extinction... I bet you love your mdma.

It is completely impossible for us, modern westerners to live the way that we live without having an negative impact on the enviroment around us. Such is the price of civilization. One fish is conscious but so is everything else... Every plant, every frog, every ant, every tree and every microscopic bacteria is conscious of being itself, that is because it is a lpart of a larger conciousness, a Great Spirit or a God or, as the Algonquin called it Gitche Manitou, the great mystery. That little individual fish does not matter, what matters is pond ecosystem that ot lives in. If people weren't willing to eat some of that ecosytem, no one would be keeping tabs on and making sure no one does anything fucked up, like dumping chemicals.

I think it was the Algonquin that used to chase a moose into a lake and surrond it with canoes, poke at it with spears and drown it to death...
Is there anything wrong with that?
I don't think so.


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Re: Fishing is a cruel sport/hobby, [Re: Psilopsychosis]
    #18860459 - 09/18/13 09:27 PM (10 years, 4 months ago)

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Think about all the animals who die when their habitat is destroyed to make orgainc soyabean fields.
Think about all the animals who die when the timber that is used to build your home is harvested.
Think about the incredible amount of animals that die when a river is walled off by a dam and everything behind it is flooded.
I don't know about you but Id rather have my throat slit and gutted then freeze or starve to death over winter.




WTF does this have ANYTHING to do with fishing?


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Re: Fishing is a cruel sport/hobby, [Re: loco801]
    #18861927 - 09/19/13 08:13 AM (10 years, 4 months ago)

my response to op or any other poster about this type of subject/argument is:  humans are the worst thing ever put on earth and have contributed absolutely nothing to its betterment/improvement or even its un unaffected sustainment.  get use to people not feeling/doing the same as you.  get use to people fucking shit up till the end of time.

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Re: Fishing is a cruel sport/hobby, [Re: loco801]
    #18861955 - 09/19/13 08:24 AM (10 years, 4 months ago)

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WTF does this have ANYTHING to do with fishing?






Ya it the wasn't the most clear of points...

All I am trying to say is that everything we do as humans negatively affects animals and their habitat. OP said on page 1 that it is possible to get the things we need to survive with out fucking with the environment. I think that is idealistic nonsense. Of all the things that could impact the environment a little catch ad release (even catch and eat too) are not that big a deal.

Thats all I was trying to say.


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Re: Fishing is a cruel sport/hobby, [Re: Psilopsychosis]
    #18863085 - 09/19/13 01:26 PM (10 years, 4 months ago)

Well yeah. We cannot control other people or what they do. All we can do is spread word and if you see someone doing illegal activites then report it to Wildlife officials. I myself found some bear/cougar bait in the woods recently.

As for things like dams, houses, soybean fields we need to find other natural ways. Sometimes dams improve the environment. People replant trees in areas thay have been logged. There are ways to help the environment.

I always pick up any trash when I go fishing and hope others do too, but you cant fix stupid. Those who dont give a shit are the ones who ruin it. I see dumped trash all over the local lakes and rivers a lot.


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Re: Fishing is a cruel sport/hobby, [Re: Ras Rising]
    #18863151 - 09/19/13 01:45 PM (10 years, 4 months ago)

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As a nature enthusiast and lover i decided to gander over here to The Great Outdoors thread. Immediately I noticed the large amounts of fishing related threads all from a similar perspective so I decided to create my own.

Now i can understand the excitement and thrill that is associated with fishing and also other social aspects that can be included in the experience.

I am more able to empathize with the fisher whom relies on it as a source of vital food necessary for survival as apposed to sport and recreational.

I just cant seem to understand how it can be seen as humane to rip jaws, flesh, chunks, bits, tear fins, descale, terrify, and suffocate these beautiful forms of life. To cause them to bleed and to loose eyes for fun and enjoyment.

Surly that's not the purpose to maim these fish and aquatic animals, but there is no way to ensure that you are not injuring these fish while using needle sharp fish hooks and lures.

Not only does it cause physical harm but there are numerous study's on the effects on overall breeding habits, migrations, and environmental impacts that fishing has on the natural environment.

Fish are living creatures as you and I and some species can sense pain very similarly to us. However most sense pain in different ways very uncompareable.

Surely i am not the only one who sees fishing as a negative and harmful sport.





Having been fishing and eating fish for a lifetime I fully agree with your position.  In the same way as eating any animal is causing pain to one degree or another.  Saying different is making excuses for one's life choices.  Good topic for here btw. :thumbup:


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Re: Fishing is a cruel sport/hobby, [Re: Corporal Kielbasa]
    #18863386 - 09/19/13 02:56 PM (10 years, 4 months ago)

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Driving in cars kills so much wildlife. I can see all the frogs, toads, snakes, turtles, mice, rabbits, squirrels, raccoon, possums etc splattered and spread across the highways.  Most people are so oblivious to the fact that they are killing stuff almost every time they drive down a country road. I try to notice the critters and try to avoid them.  But being a passenger I notice just how many are on the road and how oblivious drivers can be.

Sorry its off topic.  But since we are talking about being cruel and killing animals.  Lets talk about all the wasted life we obliviously crush on our way to the mall or what ever.

spring rains bring out all the frogs and salamanders and they migrate from the forests to the bodies of water to do it for a few nights.  On their way across roads they get annihilated by the thousands.  IMO certain roads should be closed a few days during the wet breading season.




It is truly a sad sight to behold without question, i would say it follows along with the topic. I too remorse for all the destruction as a race humans have caused, how wide spread and how barbaric. Babylonian corruption at every turn. I try my best and do what i can on this earth to live in a harmonious symbiotic relationship while living in Babylon.  thank you for your post and consideration to the human impact.


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Re: Fishing is a cruel sport/hobby, [Re: Psilopsychosis]
    #18863414 - 09/19/13 03:04 PM (10 years, 4 months ago)

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I fish but I throw everything I catch back unless it is hooked in the gills and it will die.
As long as you don't fish illegally I don't think fishing is especially cruel.
It is impossible to get food to your table without killing animals, same goes for shelter, power, water and all other things we need to live.
I shouldn't even have to mention all things we have but not need.
Modern recreational fishing if done legally is very humane and is selective.
You can't fish more than one fish at a time unless you use nets or have a
whole bunch of rods trolling.




Its very possible to get food to your table without the killing of animals, and same got shelter power and all the other things we need to live. Yes animal products are convenient and easy to convert but there are better materials for all our needs.




I am not talking about animal products...

Think about all the animals who die when their habitat is destroyed to make orgainc soyabean fields.
Think about all the animals who die when the timber that is used to build your home is harvested.
Think about the incredible amount of animals that die when a river is walled off by a dam and everything behind it is flooded.
I don't know about you but Id rather have my throat slit and gutted then freeze or starve to death over winter.

That is just type of stuff that happens in our countries.
Everytime someone eats (real) mdma they are helping to destroy large parts of Cambodian rainforest and push and ancient tree that has been used medecinally by the natives for centuries into extinction... I bet you love your mdma.

It is completely impossible for us, modern westerners to live the way that we live without having an negative impact on the enviroment around us. Such is the price of civilization. One fish is conscious but so is everything else... Every plant, every frog, every ant, every tree and every microscopic bacteria is conscious of being itself, that is because it is a lpart of a larger conciousness, a Great Spirit or a God or, as the Algonquin called it Gitche Manitou, the great mystery. That little individual fish does not matter, what matters is pond ecosystem that ot lives in. If people weren't willing to eat some of that ecosytem, no one would be keeping tabs on and making sure no one does anything fucked up, like dumping chemicals.

I think it was the Algonquin that used to chase a moose into a lake and surrond it with canoes, poke at it with spears and drown it to death...
Is there anything wrong with that?
I don't think so.




But i still say that this doesn't have to be that fate of the planet and this does not have to be "the price of civilization". So much of our history as humans has been building upon the blocks of nature, we rarely build something new. If we push efforts to one of a conscious aspect to build with nature instead of masking and building over it. I really enjoyed your knowledge of the Alqonquin, i have a friend whom is an Ojibwe wisdom keeper and he has shared similar insights. This is not the way it has to be, we are destroying this earth and within mine and many of your lifetimes we will see the disappearance of the coral reefs, destruction of many species from all walks of life, rising of the seas, and many more tragic losses of life and this planets splendor.


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Re: Fishing is a cruel sport/hobby, [Re: Psilopsychosis]
    #18863428 - 09/19/13 03:08 PM (10 years, 4 months ago)

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WTF does this have ANYTHING to do with fishing?






Ya it the wasn't the most clear of points...

All I am trying to say is that everything we do as humans negatively affects animals and their habitat. OP said on page 1 that it is possible to get the things we need to survive with out fucking with the environment. I think that is idealistic nonsense. Of all the things that could impact the environment a little catch ad release (even catch and eat too) are not that big a deal.

Thats all I was trying to say.




you're idealistic nonsense is anothers life. I have seen many a man and woman and family live in a very harmonious relationship with nature. Lives in which they can support and help support biodiversity and protect the natural world around them. As isolated as these occurrences happen i assure you they are much more than meer nonsense


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Re: Fishing is a cruel sport/hobby, [Re: Icelander]
    #18863439 - 09/19/13 03:10 PM (10 years, 4 months ago)

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Rasliam said:
As a nature enthusiast and lover i decided to gander over here to The Great Outdoors thread. Immediately I noticed the large amounts of fishing related threads all from a similar perspective so I decided to create my own.

Now i can understand the excitement and thrill that is associated with fishing and also other social aspects that can be included in the experience.

I am more able to empathize with the fisher whom relies on it as a source of vital food necessary for survival as apposed to sport and recreational.

I just cant seem to understand how it can be seen as humane to rip jaws, flesh, chunks, bits, tear fins, descale, terrify, and suffocate these beautiful forms of life. To cause them to bleed and to loose eyes for fun and enjoyment.

Surly that's not the purpose to maim these fish and aquatic animals, but there is no way to ensure that you are not injuring these fish while using needle sharp fish hooks and lures.

Not only does it cause physical harm but there are numerous study's on the effects on overall breeding habits, migrations, and environmental impacts that fishing has on the natural environment.

Fish are living creatures as you and I and some species can sense pain very similarly to us. However most sense pain in different ways very uncompareable.

Surely i am not the only one who sees fishing as a negative and harmful sport.





Having been fishing and eating fish for a lifetime I fully agree with your position.  In the same way as eating any animal is causing pain to one degree or another.  Saying different is making excuses for one's life choices.  Good topic for here btw. :thumbup:




Thanks! its finally good to see someone understands, coming from a fisherman himself! i dont think i could have said it better.


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Re: Fishing is a cruel sport/hobby, [Re: loco801]
    #18864883 - 09/19/13 08:09 PM (10 years, 4 months ago)

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But i still say that this doesn't have to be that fate of the planet and this does not have to be "the price of civilization". So much of our history as humans has been building upon the blocks of nature, we rarely build something new. If we push efforts to one of a conscious aspect to build with nature instead of masking and building over it. I really enjoyed your knowledge of the Alqonquin, i have a friend whom is an Ojibwe wisdom keeper and he has shared similar insights. This is not the way it has to be, we are destroying this earth and within mine and many of your lifetimes we will see the disappearance of the coral reefs, destruction of many species from all walks of life, rising of the seas, and many more tragic losses of life and this planets splendor.





But why do you think fishing is a problem? Can we not fish in such a way that the damage to nature is minimal? Fishing only became a problem once people started fishing on-mass with huge nets scraping the ground and raping the ocean and lakes.


True it is not sustainable for every person to live off of the land, but the way that food is brought to us now by farming isn't sustainable either. I think a big positive change would come if more people started living more self-sustainable rurally on farms and communes while at the same time cities and towns started to produce most of their food by roof-top terrace farms and chicken coops. I read that Cuba because of the trade embargo and the collapse of the USSR they have almost no pesticides and industrial fertilizers that they have to use completely organic farming. Also because of the lack of transportation they have to bring the farms closer to the cites and towns  So instead of huge fields they have farms in every abandoned lot, in front yards, rooftops etc. This is pretty cool IMO, but Cuba sucks because if you say the wrong thing or get too eccentric they will throw you in prison. I think human rights and environmental rights should go hand in hand.

I agree with you I really do man but I think attacking people who fish is not the right use of your awesome giving a fuck energy. I was actually talking with my friend today about how this world could use more people who give a fuck.

I think the saddest thing is the end of true wild places. Wilderness means self-willed land and it is good for people to be humbled by the power of nature. That is why I fish, kayak(I kayak more than I fish to be honest) and hike . I like to head out into a water or forest or even swamp and just feel the energy of nature. It is amazing.

I find most people only care about nature in terms of resources, A forest should be neat and orderly so the trees can be used for 2 by 4s, toilet paper and toothpicks.  Coral reefs should be preserved so that tourists can visit and give the local economy money. It never occurs to them these things should exist just to be. Just to develop and evolve.

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Re: Fishing is a cruel sport/hobby, [Re: Psilopsychosis]
    #18865246 - 09/19/13 09:21 PM (10 years, 4 months ago)

Visited a stream that had close to 50 fish swim up in just the half hour we were there. At three points in the river we saw oil spilling into it and turning into an reddish-orange algae.

I think the people who litter are worse than fisherman.


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    #18869171 - 09/20/13 07:32 PM (10 years, 4 months ago)

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Visited a stream that had close to 50 fish swim up in just the half hour we were there. At three points in the river we saw oil spilling into it and turning into an reddish-orange algae.

I think the people who litter are worse than fisherman.




then you have the polluting fisherman :P which is worse than the litterer alone. Thats very sad sight to see. :/


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Re: Fishing is a cruel sport/hobby, [Re: Psilopsychosis]
    #18869185 - 09/20/13 07:35 PM (10 years, 4 months ago)

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But i still say that this doesn't have to be that fate of the planet and this does not have to be "the price of civilization". So much of our history as humans has been building upon the blocks of nature, we rarely build something new. If we push efforts to one of a conscious aspect to build with nature instead of masking and building over it. I really enjoyed your knowledge of the Alqonquin, i have a friend whom is an Ojibwe wisdom keeper and he has shared similar insights. This is not the way it has to be, we are destroying this earth and within mine and many of your lifetimes we will see the disappearance of the coral reefs, destruction of many species from all walks of life, rising of the seas, and many more tragic losses of life and this planets splendor.





But why do you think fishing is a problem? Can we not fish in such a way that the damage to nature is minimal? Fishing only became a problem once people started fishing on-mass with huge nets scraping the ground and raping the ocean and lakes.


True it is not sustainable for every person to live off of the land, but the way that food is brought to us now by farming isn't sustainable either. I think a big positive change would come if more people started living more self-sustainable rurally on farms and communes while at the same time cities and towns started to produce most of their food by roof-top terrace farms and chicken coops. I read that Cuba because of the trade embargo and the collapse of the USSR they have almost no pesticides and industrial fertilizers that they have to use completely organic farming. Also because of the lack of transportation they have to bring the farms closer to the cites and towns  So instead of huge fields they have farms in every abandoned lot, in front yards, rooftops etc. This is pretty cool IMO, but Cuba sucks because if you say the wrong thing or get too eccentric they will throw you in prison. I think human rights and environmental rights should go hand in hand.

I agree with you I really do man but I think attacking people who fish is not the right use of your awesome giving a fuck energy. I was actually talking with my friend today about how this world could use more people who give a fuck.

I think the saddest thing is the end of true wild places. Wilderness means self-willed land and it is good for people to be humbled by the power of nature. That is why I fish, kayak(I kayak more than I fish to be honest) and hike . I like to head out into a water or forest or even swamp and just feel the energy of nature. It is amazing.

I find most people only care about nature in terms of resources, A forest should be neat and orderly so the trees can be used for 2 by 4s, toilet paper and toothpicks.  Coral reefs should be preserved so that tourists can visit and give the local economy money. It never occurs to them these things should exist just to be. Just to develop and evolve.

/end rant




thank you for your rant, im a bit tired to night but i just wanted to let you know that your words aren't falling upon deaf ears. Truly thank you for your posts  and your insight on this.


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    #18874067 - 09/21/13 10:11 PM (10 years, 4 months ago)

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Surely i am not the only one who sees fishing as a negative and harmful sport.




I'm with ya, dude. :wink:


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few life forms are aware of their own mortality.




All life is sacred, the complexity of an organisms make up doesn't make them any less important.


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    #18874891 - 09/22/13 07:07 AM (10 years, 4 months ago)

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Surely i am not the only one who sees fishing as a negative and harmful sport.




I'm with ya, dude. :wink:


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few life forms are aware of their own mortality.




All life is sacred, the complexity of an organisms make up doesn't make them any less important.




What exactly makes life sacred?


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Re: Fishing is a cruel sport/hobby, [Re: loco801]
    #18874893 - 09/22/13 07:08 AM (10 years, 4 months ago)

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Visited a stream that had close to 50 fish swim up in just the half hour we were there. At three points in the river we saw oil spilling into it and turning into an reddish-orange algae.

I think the people who litter are worse than fisherman.





It's really not about what is worse. That was not the topic and imo you're making excuses for your choices.


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    #18874913 - 09/22/13 07:17 AM (10 years, 4 months ago)

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What exactly makes life sacred?




:smile: Mother Earth my friend. The grand all connecting life force that is everything and everyone. Have you not done your homework?

If you're an atheist, then we should just end this here. I'm not here to argue, or shove anything down anyones throat. Just to give my viewpoint on the subject. :sunny:


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    #18874963 - 09/22/13 07:41 AM (10 years, 4 months ago)

That doesn't make it sacred imo.  I prefer not to place value judgments on the unknown.  :shrug:


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Surely i am not the only one who sees fishing as a negative and harmful sport.




I'm with ya, dude. :wink:


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few life forms are aware of their own mortality.




All life is sacred, the complexity of an organisms make up doesn't make them any less important.




Life indeed is very sacred. Another one for the side of life!:thumbup:


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    #18875225 - 09/22/13 09:48 AM (10 years, 4 months ago)

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That doesn't make it sacred imo.  I prefer not to place value judgments on the unknown.  :shrug:




Perhaps not sacred, but i think it allows for it to stand somewhere in regards to respect and our adherence to it as a source of great mystery's.


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    #18878181 - 09/22/13 09:56 PM (10 years, 4 months ago)

You're surely welcome to an opinion. But unknown? It's been practiced belief of civilizations for millennia. I didn't come up with this one night in my room or anything. :shrug:


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    #18878756 - 09/23/13 12:26 AM (10 years, 4 months ago)

Fishing is a sport to me. I am a horrible fisherman and can count the number of fish ive caught on one hand, but i see no harm whatsoever in it.



I think you are projecting complexities only a human mind could come up with onto a very simple animal. Its a dog eat dog world. You best believe if you were lost, hungry, and weak in an environment you are not suited for, a predator would just as quick turn you into a meal.


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    #18879342 - 09/23/13 06:04 AM (10 years, 4 months ago)

OP did you know that there are dolphins that "push" fish into shallow water for the local villagers to harvest?  The dolphins are then rewarded by the villagers with some of the catch. Been going on for centuries.    Everything is food. Everything is connected and death is not an end. 


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    #18880132 - 09/23/13 11:10 AM (10 years, 4 months ago)

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OP did you know that there are dolphins that "push" fish into shallow water for the local villagers to harvest?  The dolphins are then rewarded by the villagers with some of the catch. Been going on for centuries.   

Everything is food. Everything is connected and death is not an end.




Very very true, good point. I'd like to state that when it comes to survival and staying alive, my comments about "cruel fishing" go straight out the window.
I am specifically referring to game sport fishing for trophies and whatnot.


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    #18883023 - 09/23/13 11:39 PM (10 years, 4 months ago)

I take the stance that any fishing that is done purely for sport and not for sustenance is definitely morally iffy. Throwing back small, uninjured fish is one thing, but it just seems pointless to me to catch a huge fish that could provide a wonderful meal and throw it back. Killing it quickly, showing appreciation and respect for its life, and cooking it to the best of your abilities seems perfectly reasonable for species that are in abundance if you are already eating meat regularly.


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Re: Fishing is a cruel sport/hobby, [Re: 1234go]
    #18883530 - 09/24/13 05:16 AM (10 years, 4 months ago)

Fair enough I still disagree with you but to each their own.


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Re: Fishing is a cruel sport/hobby, [Re: InfiniteToker]
    #18884391 - 09/24/13 10:54 AM (10 years, 4 months ago)

I think hunting shrooms is a cruel sport.

Think of all those innocent, lovely, fungi you injure, maim, and kill for you own hedonistic pleasures.:lol:


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Re: Fishing is a cruel sport/hobby, [Re: 1234go]
    #18884710 - 09/24/13 12:25 PM (10 years, 4 months ago)

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You're surely welcome to an opinion. But unknown? It's been practiced belief of civilizations for millennia. I didn't come up with this one night in my room or anything. :shrug:





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Re: Fishing is a cruel sport/hobby, [Re: Ras Rising]
    #19028085 - 10/24/13 08:21 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

People feel killng animals to survive isnt ok but to be a vegitarian your killing many plants. Just a different form of life. Its all alive, plants are aware of their surroundings.


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Re: Fishing is a cruel sport/hobby, [Re: shortpork]
    #19029447 - 10/25/13 02:53 AM (10 years, 3 months ago)

So OP probably has an issue with the pictures that I have posted of billfish that have been tagged and released.

I've had this conversation too many times to sit here and type a long-winded rebuttal, but I have made vegans understand why I tag and release billfish and be OK with it. If you want to let fish go back, there are many ways you can minimize the harm that is done to the fish.


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Re: Fishing is a cruel sport/hobby, [Re: Jordy]
    #19060707 - 10/30/13 10:14 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

Personally I don't see anything wrong with hunting/fishing as long as you intend to eat/use what you kill, and take every effort you can to make it as quick and painless as you could.


I wold never shoot a deer/bird/squirrel/etc unless I was certain that I was going to drop it. No leg/lower body shots for me.

Wen you catch a fish, you really should either toss it in a bucket of water to be killed all at once if you want more then a couple, or kill it quickly on the spot.


If something was about to eat you..would you rather have it just chop your head off real quick, or would you rather it maim you a little then let you flop around and suffocate?


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Re: Fishing is a cruel sport/hobby, [Re: Chuckfinely] * 1
    #19076423 - 11/02/13 06:16 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

OK guys, here is my .02 since I do catch and release of what many would consider trophy fish. If you want to know more about why we do it, read on. This could be a TL;DR for many.

I primarily chase Marlin for tag and release fishing. There are many reasons for this. Obviously they are highly sought-after by many anglers for their large size, acrobatics, speed and strength - but modern attitudes, techniques and even the fish's design make them an ideal candidate for tag and release fishing.

For those who don't know what 'tagging' is, it is the act of placing a scientific research tag in the back of a fish. This tag has an ID number and information about the fish (length, estimated weight, location of catch etc) are recorded on a corresponding tag card and sent to the department or university that is monitoring the stocks to ensure the future of the fishery. The stress of the fight has not been for nothing. Part of the release process with Marlin is also a short amount of time 'reviving' the fish. By driving the boat forwards slowly and holding the fish by it's bill, water flows over the fish's gills and starts to revive the fish. They always let you know when they are ready to go by shaking their head or biting down on your hand. Having a large handle on their face makes them the most ideal candidate for release.

Big fish are usually breeding fish, so it's especially important to let big fish go. They will be the fish that provide you and your children fish to catch into the future.

Circle hooks have been another blessing to the fishery. When used properly, the hooks only lock into the corner of the jaw. If not used properly, they don't hook up at all and the fish is unharmed. This has been a great improvement to the catch and release fishery as the traditional 'J' hooks would hook up in the gills/internal organs and cause internal damage. A rise in tagging data since circle hooks have become mandatory has shown that bio-masses are getting bigger.

At the end of the day, if we killed every Marlin we caught for food then people would still be crying because of how many tonnes of fish we kill each year so fisherman are damned if they do and damned if they don't. My family has spent nearly half a million dollars on boats, gear, fuel and other costs to go and tag and release Marlin so I can't help but get my back up against the wall sometimes when someone who 'loves animals' tells me I am cruel when I love these fish just as much as they love all animals, just for different reasons. And especially considering how much money we fork out to do what we do, you need to love the fish to let it go.


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Re: Fishing is a cruel sport/hobby, [Re: Jordy]
    #19120940 - 11/11/13 02:39 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

I only shoot deer in the head. Almost takes the whole thing off. While some folks say "great shot", the others are casting doubt, "Oh man, that's gross".

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Re: Fishing is a cruel sport/hobby, [Re: bootster]
    #19169289 - 11/21/13 10:24 AM (10 years, 2 months ago)

fishing is cruel if you only fish for the sport of it and always release everything you catch, which is fucked up because fish taste delicious. people sound like idiots when they say fish dont feel pain.

there really isnt a way to make fishing a quicker kill for the fish besides diving and spearing the fish. hook and line is part of the battle so be sustainable and eat that meat!


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Re: Fishing is a cruel sport/hobby, [Re: tealeaf]
    #19173704 - 11/22/13 05:34 AM (10 years, 2 months ago)

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fishing is cruel if you only fish for the sport of it and always release everything you catch, which is fucked up because fish taste delicious. people sound like idiots when they say fish dont feel pain.

there really isnt a way to make fishing a quicker kill for the fish besides diving and spearing the fish. hook and line is part of the battle so be sustainable and eat that meat!



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I fish for sport. Often the fish that I catch (usually freshwater bass, largemouth and smallmouth) get superficial wounds and will live out their normal life spans. I do feel pretty bad when I accidentally hook them through the bottom of their mouth and they start to bleed. I would wager that 90% of the large fish I catch make it out unharmed. Bass are such balling predators anyways that a little lip tear doesn't get in the way of their feeding--they can just swallow bluegill whole.

I don't feel that bad when I catch bluegill and accidentally hook their gills. Those ones will probably die. Maybe I feel bad a little, but bluegill are stupid. Consciousness is not a have or have-not kind of thing, it's definitely on a continuum. There are a lot of humans that I don't think are as conscious as other humans, just go look in the Currently Active thread  :pipesmoke:.

I digress. I don't understand those people who think that life is precious, but still eat meat. Is there really much of a difference between shooting and killing some large game like deer to eat it, and going to the store to buy a cow? If anything I'd say I feel better for the deer, at least he didn't life his whole goddamn life in captivity only to meet his end upside down with his throat cut in a meat-packing plant. I don't believe that life is something sacred or something to be cherished. Life is short and cruel and violent. I'll leave you with some lines from a poem:

"But whence came the race of man? I will make a guess.
A change of climate killed the great northern forests,
Forcing manlike apes down from their trees,
They starved up there. They had been secure up there,
But famine is no security: among the withered branches blue famine:
They had to go down to the earth, where green still grew
And small meats might be gleaned. But there the great flesh-eaters,
Tiger and panther and the horrible fumbling bear
and endless wolf-packs made life
A dream of death. Therefore man had those dreams,
And kills out of pure terror. Therefore man walks erect,
Forever alerted: as the bear rises to fight
So man does always. Therefore he invented fire and flint weapons
In his desperate need. Therefore he is cruel and bloody-handed and
quick-witted, having survived
Against all odds. Never blame the man: his hard-pressed
Ancestors formed him: the other anthropoid apes were safe
In the great southern rain-forest and hardly changed
In a million years: but the race of man was made
By shock and agony. Therefore they invented
the song called language
To celebrate their survival and record their deeds.
And therefore the deeds they celebrate --
Achilles raging in the flame of the south,
Baltic Beowulf like a fog-blinded sea-bear
Prowling the blasted fenland
in the bleak twilight to the black water --
Are cruel and bloody. Epic, drama, and history,
Jesus and Judas, Jenghiz, Julius Ceasar, no great poem
Without the blood-splash. They are a little lower than the angels,
as someone said. -- Blood-snuffing rats:
But never blame them: a wound was made in the brain
When life became too hard, and has never healed.
It is there that they learned
trembling religion and blood-sacrifice,
It is there that they learned
to butcher beasts and slaughter men,
And hate the world: the great religions of love and kindness
May conceal that, not change it. They are not primary but reactions
Against the hate: as the eye after feeding on a red sunfall
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Re: Fishing is a cruel sport/hobby, [Re: mylfgur]
    #19175503 - 11/22/13 04:22 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

Hey I'm all for fishing and do so myself, all I think is that its fucked up if all you do is catch and release. Would be the same thing as going out with an air rifle and wounding animals that you would never take home to eat.

Only in this day and age is that fucked up, the way we are consuming natural resources is leaving little for the future and polluting the earth enough to prevent future growth. Roosevelt was hunting elephants in Africa and I'm pretty sure they cut back on that.

I aint no tree hugger but I LOVE the outdoors and simply like seeing it being preserved, its usually the people that don't genuinely go outdoors except for "sport" that fuck things up........


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I don't feel that bad when I catch bluegill and accidentally hook their gills. Those ones will probably die. Maybe I feel bad a little, but bluegill are stupid. Consciousness is not a have or have-not kind of thing, it's definitely on a continuum. There are a lot of humans that I don't think are as conscious as other humans, just go look in the




wait.......you throw back blue gills that you catch..............those things are freaking delicious....and very stupid


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Re: Fishing is a cruel sport/hobby, [Re: tealeaf]
    #19175520 - 11/22/13 04:29 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

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wait.......you throw back blue gills that you catch..............those things are freaking delicious....and very stupid




They are delicious, and very stupid. Their utter stupidity is one major reason why I don't care much if they die or not. I don't always catch bluegills of legal size, especially when I fish at natural ponds on gamelands. At these natural ponds, there are so many bluegill that it is ridiculous, and many of them are very small--perfect bite-size for a bass to have a real feeding frenzy all day long.

I do practice catch-and-release a lot. Some days the big bluegill and crappie just aren't biting, so I'll go for bass. If it's a good day for big bluegill I will put them on a stringer and hope to take them home and eat them, but if I only end up with a handful of bluegill of legal size, I'll just let them go. There's no use killing and fileting up those few fish just for a few bites of fish nuggets. I won't take any small bass that I catch (under 24 inches), and I don't much care for the taste and texture of bass anyways.


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Re: Fishing is a cruel sport/hobby, [Re: tealeaf]
    #19181081 - 11/24/13 12:49 AM (10 years, 2 months ago)

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tealeaf said:
Hey I'm all for fishing and do so myself, all I think is that its fucked up if all you do is catch and release. Would be the same thing as going out with an air rifle and wounding animals that you would never take home to eat.

Only in this day and age is that fucked up, the way we are consuming natural resources is leaving little for the future and polluting the earth enough to prevent future growth. Roosevelt was hunting elephants in Africa and I'm pretty sure they cut back on that.

I aint no tree hugger but I LOVE the outdoors and simply like seeing it being preserved, its usually the people that don't genuinely go outdoors except for "sport" that fuck things up........


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I don't feel that bad when I catch bluegill and accidentally hook their gills. Those ones will probably die. Maybe I feel bad a little, but bluegill are stupid. Consciousness is not a have or have-not kind of thing, it's definitely on a continuum. There are a lot of humans that I don't think are as conscious as other humans, just go look in the




wait.......you throw back blue gills that you catch..............those things are freaking delicious....and very stupid




Sportfisherman like myself don't just go out and catch and release everything we catch. I do keep fish for the table, I'm just selective about species, size and how many I keep because at the end of the day I have no control over what bites my bait or lure. Plus the reality is if I kept every fish I caught to eat - you would probably have just as big a problem as I would be taking a lot of fish out of the natural wildstocks. I fish a lot, and I catch a lot of fish.

The interesting thing here is that I don't think you have any idea why people catch and release fish, nor do you have much of an idea about the techniques and tackle that are used. If you did, you would feel much better about the people who catch and release fish and would have disdain for those who take home their maximum legal limit in fish in a day's fishing. From the moment they eat the bait/lure, those fish are treated far worse than any fish that I choose to catch and release.


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Re: Fishing is a cruel sport/hobby, [Re: Jordy]
    #19182188 - 11/24/13 11:14 AM (10 years, 2 months ago)

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The interesting thing here is that I don't think you have any idea why people catch and release fish, nor do you have much of an idea about the techniques and tackle that are used. If you did, you would feel much better about the people who catch and release fish and would have disdain for those who take home their maximum legal limit in fish in a day's fishing. From the moment they eat the bait/lure, those fish are treated far worse than any fish that I choose to catch and release.





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Re: Fishing is a cruel sport/hobby, [Re: mylfgur]
    #19207389 - 11/30/13 05:04 AM (10 years, 2 months ago)

Here's a question to those who think it's cruel to catch and release fish:

Let's say you have gone out for a day's fishing and you happen to get onto a really good bite. You catch your maximum legal limit that you can take home but the fish are still biting, do you pack up your stuff and go home or do you keep fishing and release fish??


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Re: Fishing is a cruel sport/hobby, [Re: Jordy]
    #19207406 - 11/30/13 05:16 AM (10 years, 2 months ago)

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Here's a question to those who think it's cruel to catch and release fish:

Let's say you have gone out for a day's fishing and you happen to get onto a really good bite. You catch your maximum legal limit that you can take home but the fish are still biting, do you pack up your stuff and go home or do you keep fishing and release fish??



just because you enjoy fishing doesn't make it not cruel....who are you?....thats like a rapist saying that rape isn't that bad just because they like it.....It is cruel but it is widely excepted hobby......


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Re: Fishing is a cruel sport/hobby, [Re: jboredone]
    #19207418 - 11/30/13 05:31 AM (10 years, 2 months ago)

It would be just like if a kid goes into the woods with his bb gun.....shoots anything he see's....might not kill the squirrel but maybe that little flesh wound gets infected and the squirrel dies a painful death..... :2cents:

ps...I go fishing but am not in denial that it is a little bit cruel....stop being in denial just because you enjoy it....:jah:


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Re: Fishing is a cruel sport/hobby, [Re: jboredone]
    #19207483 - 11/30/13 06:12 AM (10 years, 2 months ago)

I'm not in denial about what I do and whether or not I enjoy it, I'm just more pro-active about doing as little harm as possible so that I can enjoy the sport whilst doing minimum harm to the fishery. As I have stated previously, I fish often and I catch a lot of fish. IMO killing all the fish I catch would be worse, so I rarely keep my entire legal limit, just enough to eat - so should I go home after only an hour of fishing when I have spent $100 for the day to go out on my boat? Is it not better to let those fish go back to reproduce? FYI I fish saltwater, the fish don't get infections unless the hooks aren't removed - which I have not had to do in years as I use circle hooks with the barbs crushed down. They only hook up in the jaw and they come out easily.


I think comparing fishing to rape and shooting animals is not a fair comparison to make at all, especially when a fish's nervous system is different to a mammal's and the fishing tackle industry has products for catch and release that take advantage of these natural designs to benefit the health of the fish. You'd be surprised how often fisherman have lead movements to help ensure the future of fisheries.


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Re: Fishing is a cruel sport/hobby, [Re: Jordy]
    #19207581 - 11/30/13 07:14 AM (10 years, 2 months ago)

Why not worry about large scale commercial fishing that actually can deplete stocks of fish?

No, lets get angry at the dude bass fishing with his kid in a stocked pond :lol:


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Re: Fishing is a cruel sport/hobby, [Re: Pureless]
    #19286567 - 12/16/13 11:24 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

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Why not worry about large scale commercial fishing that actually can deplete stocks of fish?

No, lets get angry at the dude bass fishing with his kid in a stocked pond :lol:




It can and is depleting many different wildstocks. Tuna are the obvious one, but in my home waters I watched commercial fishing dedicated to Yellowtail Kingfish nearly wipe out their population on the east coast of Australia. If you caught one, it was rare. Even more rare was catching one of legal size. Since the ban of commercial fishing for YK and the vast majority of Australian's choosing to treat them as a catch and release species, their numbers have improved to the point where we can go and target them in many areas and catch them until we can't catch anymore because our arms are hurting. I've tagged small kingfish and had them re-captured as well so it shows that our techniques for targetting them have very little impact.

This weekend I caught and released 10 Snapper up to 15lb and kept two for the table around 5lb. The funniest thing about this whole debate is that I get called a greeny or liar by what I call 'Family Freezer Filling-Fisherman' because I don't keep my entire bag limit.
I've caught plenty of trophy fish and kept them when I was younger, nowadays I want to catch those same fish but let them go back to continue to make more babies for me and my children to catch.

I'm the middle-man I suppose...


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Re: Fishing is a cruel sport/hobby, [Re: Jordy]
    #19288693 - 12/17/13 01:41 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

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Pureless said:
Why not worry about large scale commercial fishing that actually can deplete stocks of fish?

No, lets get angry at the dude bass fishing with his kid in a stocked pond :lol:




It can and is depleting many different wildstocks. Tuna are the obvious one, but in my home waters I watched commercial fishing dedicated to Yellowtail Kingfish nearly wipe out their population on the east coast of Australia. If you caught one, it was rare. Even more rare was catching one of legal size. Since the ban of commercial fishing for YK and the vast majority of Australian's choosing to treat them as a catch and release species, their numbers have improved to the point where we can go and target them in many areas and catch them until we can't catch anymore because our arms are hurting. I've tagged small kingfish and had them re-captured as well so it shows that our techniques for targetting them have very little impact.

This weekend I caught and released 10 Snapper up to 15lb and kept two for the table around 5lb. The funniest thing about this whole debate is that I get called a greeny or liar by what I call 'Family Freezer Filling-Fisherman' because I don't keep my entire bag limit.
I've caught plenty of trophy fish and kept them when I was younger, nowadays I want to catch those same fish but let them go back to continue to make more babies for me and my children to catch.

I'm the middle-man I suppose...


Jordy I'm with you on this I only keep a few for the table. My brother in law had a restaurant in the bahamas and he would not serve billfish. Granted marlin are tasty but even a 200 lb er would feed yo for close to a year.


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Re: Fishing is a cruel sport/hobby, [Re: r00tuuu123]
    #19291436 - 12/18/13 01:22 AM (10 years, 1 month ago)

Billfish are off the commercial target species list here in Australia, although they can still be caught and sold as 'by-catch' - something that I believe is a blanket disguise for longliners still being able to catch them. But you don't see them in fish markets as much any more, tuna are far more sought-after and big billfish are cheap fish that take up space in the holds.

I've only taken one fish in the last ten years, a small 165lb Striped Marlin that got hooked through it's eye and probably wouldn't have survived. So the decision was made to quicly Ika Jima the fish, bring it onboard, get it on ice and take it home. We're thinking of taking a fish in the next few months to smoke as Striped Marlin is excellent when it's smoked. It will probably be the only fish we will take for the next 5 years and it will be a juvenile fish of 150lb or less i.e. a non-breeding, abundant smaller fish. This is still far less damage to a fishery than commercial fisherman do in one shot.


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Re: Fishing is a cruel sport/hobby, [Re: Jordy]
    #19293703 - 12/18/13 02:54 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

My BF and I use barb-less hooks... we cut the barbs off all our hooks.
Yes, more fish get off the hook, but we figure it helps level the playing field a little.
We eat what we catch unless its too small, sick looking or in cases that it swallowed the hook to the point it cant be retrieved with out it being very painful.

I think it is much better to catch your own than support fish farms and commercial fishing.

If you choose to eat meat, catching and hunting your own is the best option.

It also teaches you to appreciate the meat your eating more.

& I never feel good about killing them, but the quickest method is always the most humane.

However, I believe in energy and like to think the fish will just be reincarnated again, leaving us its organic nutrition behind...

I am also a big fan of Tibetan sky burials... I would like to become food for the animals when I die, So my body can return to the earth and benefit life... its a perpetual cycle.


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Re: Fishing is a cruel sport/hobby, [Re: rev0kadavur]
    #19295736 - 12/18/13 11:25 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

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My BF and I use barb-less hooks... we cut the barbs off all our hooks.
Yes, more fish get off the hook, but we figure it helps level the playing field a little.
We eat what we catch unless its too small, sick looking or in cases that it swallowed the hook to the point it cant be retrieved with out it being very painful.

I think it is much better to catch your own than support fish farms and commercial fishing.

If you choose to eat meat, catching and hunting your own is the best option.

It also teaches you to appreciate the meat your eating more.

& I never feel good about killing them, but the quickest method is always the most humane.

However, I believe in energy and like to think the fish will just be reincarnated again, leaving us its organic nutrition behind...

I am also a big fan of Tibetan sky burials... I would like to become food for the animals when I die, So my body can return to the earth and benefit life... its a perpetual cycle.




That's awesome to see that you and your hubby are also thinking about the fish whilst still enjoying a great hobby. Next time you guys are at the tackle store, consider getting some circle hooks. Barbless hooks are easy to get out of fish, but as you pointed out they can still get hooked in the gills or guts. Circle hooks will only lodge into the corner of the mouth, causing no internal damage. Crush the barbs down on these and you will possibly have the perfect fishing hook.

Just need to remember to not set them like a normal hook, just let the fish swim off with the bait and once the rod is bent they will hook themselves. Most effective, eco-friendly and lazy way to fish!! hahaha


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    #19332391 - 12/27/13 10:10 AM (10 years, 1 month ago)

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few life forms are aware of their own mortality.




I wouldn't go as far to say that. Several mammals are definitely aware of there mortality when they see loved ones dies. Dogs, cats they know something is ending when they witness their loved ones pass away and when they see their relatives die and other animals die.
And also some animals just have so much pride; that when they know they're going to die they usually die with dignity.
I remember my old dog who was 15 right before he passed away from cancer he walked up on a sand hill stared back at me and I never saw him again. And another time when my black labrador was hit by a car and was bleeding to death on the side of the rode. I remember like it was yesterday she was gasping for her last breath and there was no chance of her making it with blood pouring of her ass and mouth... i pet her one last time and she wagged her tail...and so there was no other choice to put her out of her misery. Had to put her down by putting a bullet in her brain. I know I would want someone do do the same to me if I was in that position. hardest thing i've ever had to do because I really loved that dog.
I've seen other pets do this too they just have so much pride and don't fear their mortality as we do.

As far as fishing being cruel, I beg to differ, it's a relaxing hobby that requires skill and patience. I usually fish to eat but catch n release is great too. Fish have extremely high pain tolerances I doubt they even feel a hook. And besides there are literally billions of fish out there that are overpopulating the waters. Not to mention fish is healthy and tasteful as a delicacy.


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Re: Fishing is a cruel sport/hobby, [Re: Jordy]
    #19332416 - 12/27/13 10:18 AM (10 years, 1 month ago)

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Hey I'm all for fishing and do so myself, all I think is that its fucked up if all you do is catch and release. Would be the same thing as going out with an air rifle and wounding animals that you would never take home to eat.

Only in this day and age is that fucked up, the way we are consuming natural resources is leaving little for the future and polluting the earth enough to prevent future growth. Roosevelt was hunting elephants in Africa and I'm pretty sure they cut back on that.

I aint no tree hugger but I LOVE the outdoors and simply like seeing it being preserved, its usually the people that don't genuinely go outdoors except for "sport" that fuck things up........


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I don't feel that bad when I catch bluegill and accidentally hook their gills. Those ones will probably die. Maybe I feel bad a little, but bluegill are stupid. Consciousness is not a have or have-not kind of thing, it's definitely on a continuum. There are a lot of humans that I don't think are as conscious as other humans, just go look in the




wait.......you throw back blue gills that you catch..............those things are freaking delicious....and very stupid




Sportfisherman like myself don't just go out and catch and release everything we catch. I do keep fish for the table, I'm just selective about species, size and how many I keep because at the end of the day I have no control over what bites my bait or lure. Plus the reality is if I kept every fish I caught to eat - you would probably have just as big a problem as I would be taking a lot of fish out of the natural wildstocks. I fish a lot, and I catch a lot of fish.

The interesting thing here is that I don't think you have any idea why people catch and release fish, nor do you have much of an idea about the techniques and tackle that are used. If you did, you would feel much better about the people who catch and release fish and would have disdain for those who take home their maximum legal limit in fish in a day's fishing. From the moment they eat the bait/lure, those fish are treated far worse than any fish that I choose to catch and release.




Do you buy meat at the supermarket ? Do you know how they treat the chickens, turkey and throwing live pigs in boilers that have a nervous system.  Fish have such a high pain tolerance they don't even fill it. And there are more fish in the world than any other animal it's not like we're going to be seeing an extinction of fish anytime soon :smile:
I'd much rather eat a bluegill bream any day than that crap you buy at the supermarket. I would much rather kill my own venison in a humane quick way than to go buy pig eat they throw in live boilers at these farms. But what can we do not shit about it these are huge corporations. And plus it's not as if you catch them and suffocate the fish. You keep them on a stringer bucket of water so they can breathe. When you get ready to clean them for dinner knock them unconscious before you filet and they won't ever know what hit them.


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Re: Fishing is a cruel sport/hobby, [Re: FuzzyShark]
    #19332470 - 12/27/13 10:33 AM (10 years, 1 month ago)

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FuzzyShark said:Fish have such a high pain tolerance they don't even fill it.




I'm not sure if there's any evidence to support that. I have however seen studies that claim fish like trout have more nerve endings in their mouth when compared to say a stingray.


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Re: Fishing is a cruel sport/hobby, [Re: Pureless]
    #19332581 - 12/27/13 11:09 AM (10 years, 1 month ago)

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FuzzyShark said:Fish have such a high pain tolerance they don't even fill it.




I'm not sure if there's any evidence to support that. I have however seen studies that claim fish like trout have more nerve endings in their mouth when compared to say a stingray.




Don't get me wrong I am not saying they don't feel an ounce of pain but they have an incredible high tolerance for it. And unlike humans fish do not possess a neocortex, which is the first indicator of doubt regarding the pain awareness of fish.
Sharks and Rays, show a complete lack of these fibres and all bony fish, such as carp and trout they very rarely have them. In this case, the physiological prerequisites for a conscious experience of pain are hardly developed in fish.


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Re: Fishing is a cruel sport/hobby, [Re: FuzzyShark]
    #19332673 - 12/27/13 11:36 AM (10 years, 1 month ago)

How about the 70 people that just got bit by piranhas yesterday in Argentina.

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    #19332689 - 12/27/13 11:44 AM (10 years, 1 month ago)

Very strange indeed.

I hear about isolated events but never at this scale.

That's what you get for swimming in the "Parana River" :lol:


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    #19333062 - 12/27/13 01:41 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

Funny thing about the food chain... you take away our tools, devices, strip us down to nothing and see how much further down the food chain we end up...

Piranhas school in large numbers, they have razor sharp teeth and they are fast little muscles.... humans are no match when they catch on to a huge lump of tasty floatin' about. lol.


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Re: Fishing is a cruel sport/hobby, [Re: Jordy]
    #19333123 - 12/27/13 02:03 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

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My BF and I use barb-less hooks... we cut the barbs off all our hooks.
Yes, more fish get off the hook, but we figure it helps level the playing field a little.
We eat what we catch unless its too small, sick looking or in cases that it swallowed the hook to the point it cant be retrieved with out it being very painful.

I think it is much better to catch your own than support fish farms and commercial fishing.

If you choose to eat meat, catching and hunting your own is the best option.

It also teaches you to appreciate the meat your eating more.

& I never feel good about killing them, but the quickest method is always the most humane.

However, I believe in energy and like to think the fish will just be reincarnated again, leaving us its organic nutrition behind...

I am also a big fan of Tibetan sky burials... I would like to become food for the animals when I die, So my body can return to the earth and benefit life... its a perpetual cycle.




That's awesome to see that you and your hubby are also thinking about the fish whilst still enjoying a great hobby. Next time you guys are at the tackle store, consider getting some circle hooks. Barbless hooks are easy to get out of fish, but as you pointed out they can still get hooked in the gills or guts. Circle hooks will only lodge into the corner of the mouth, causing no internal damage. Crush the barbs down on these and you will possibly have the perfect fishing hook.

Just need to remember to not set them like a normal hook, just let the fish swim off with the bait and once the rod is bent they will hook themselves. Most effective, eco-friendly and lazy way to fish!! hahaha





We usually leave our poles until its obvious something is on the hook, we enjoy lazy fishing, leaves more time to just enjoy the scenery and relax... we seem to have very few stomached hooks... it happens very rarely, maybe once a year, usually when we get an aggressive fish that just came by and inhaled it... Rock fish are usually the ones that seem to do that where we fish most often... most the time our hooks get pecked clean by the perch.

The most friendly fishing seems to be trout, those fish are super intelligent.... i love going up to super clear mountain lakes and kayak fishing for trout... I can see them investigating my line and bait... often following it, swimming circles around it, gently nibbling and then leaving once they have gotten most the bait from around the hook, without taking it... my favorite are the giant brown trouts that hide out, then rush to see what you are, only to smack your line with their tail and swim back into their rock cave... I have been trying to catch this one guy for years, he is freakin' huge, and he only got that big because of many years of being a very smart fish... I see him every time I go up there, since about 5 years ago, under the same mass of rocks... it takes alot of coaxing just to get him to come out of his cave... but he is a sight to see when he does.... hes gotta be like 3 feet long and 8-10 inches thick..

Circle hooks is a good suggestion.... my BF had something to say about them, but I honestly forgot what he said.. something about the reason he doesn't like them.. lol...


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    #19333173 - 12/27/13 02:20 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

^^Ask him what he doesn't like about them, they're the best hook you can use for bait fishing IMO. I use them on everything from Whiting to Marlin with fantastic results. If you guys do like to leave the rods until you notice a fish is on it then circle hooks would be PERFECT. Just try them once and you guys will be convinced on how good they are.

It's funny how there is always that one fish that makes us keep going back for more. We fish 50lb tackle for Marlin usually but we got spanked by a HUGE Blue Marlin earlier this year, easily 700lb. We were completely out-gunned and the fish won it's freedom. It's not like I needed a reason to keep gamefishing, but that is a fish that will fuel my passion for many more years.


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Re: Fishing is a cruel sport/hobby, [Re: FuzzyShark]
    #19333186 - 12/27/13 02:24 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

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FuzzyShark said:Fish have such a high pain tolerance they don't even fill it.




I'm not sure if there's any evidence to support that. I have however seen studies that claim fish like trout have more nerve endings in their mouth when compared to say a stingray.




Don't get me wrong I am not saying they don't feel an ounce of pain but they have an incredible high tolerance for it. And unlike humans fish do not possess a neocortex, which is the first indicator of doubt regarding the pain awareness of fish.
Sharks and Rays, show a complete lack of these fibres and all bony fish, such as carp and trout they very rarely have them. In this case, the physiological prerequisites for a conscious experience of pain are hardly developed in fish.




Fish in Australia like Barramundi and Murray Cod are an example of this. Quite often when you catch them you will see holes in the sinew around their mouth. This is due to the spikes of their prey piercing it and causing damage. It obviously doesn't bother them because fisherman wouldn't catch them and see the damage if it affected their feeding


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Re: Fishing is a cruel sport/hobby, [Re: Jordy]
    #19341399 - 12/29/13 12:50 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

I agree with the OP to an extent. I used to fish strictly catch and release, but after putting some good thought into it decided that it was a cruel action. Same goes for catch and keep but shit, humans need to eat. I think that it's best to keep what you can and eat it, don't waste anything. If it's to small or sick or  then that seems to be the only time that someone should release. :shrug:


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Re: Fishing is a cruel sport/hobby, [Re: Cactilove]
    #19345274 - 12/30/13 07:08 AM (10 years, 1 month ago)

Shouldnt be a big deal unless were talking net fishing. Thats just cheating in my opinion.


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Re: Fishing is a cruel sport/hobby, [Re: Cactilove]
    #19345461 - 12/30/13 08:36 AM (10 years, 1 month ago)

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I agree with the OP to an extent. I used to fish strictly catch and release, but after putting some good thought into it decided that it was a cruel action. Same goes for catch and keep but shit, humans need to eat. I think that it's best to keep what you can and eat it, don't waste anything. If it's to small or sick or  then that seems to be the only time that someone should release. :shrug:




So killing a fish and eating it is better than throwing it back into their habitat where most of the time they make a full  recovery?


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Re: Fishing is a cruel sport/hobby, [Re: Pureless]
    #19347232 - 12/30/13 04:44 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

Jordy has given me a lot of cool info about fishing i would have never known otherwise :cookiemonster:


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    #19349156 - 12/30/13 11:15 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

Glad you've learnt something elax420!! I've been fishing for longer than I've been playing bass and martial arts and those are 2 things I am also very passionate about. I just take fishing to a whole new level when it comes to a hobby, to the point where work is really just killing time in between fishing trips!! hahaha

Although I do have a confession to make guys. Went up to Sydney over the weekend to try and help put an old friend onto his first Marlin. He offered to pay for the fuel and all other costs for the day if we let him keep his first Marlin (he knows our T/R only policy for billfish). We agreed on the proviso that no fish over 150lb is killed and that the fish is to be cleaned immediately at sea, no hanging it up on the scales to stroke ego. He agreed, he was on within 2 hours of fishing and we were home by lunch time after having taken home our second billfish in ten years and first intentional kill in that time. Not a bad day on the water at all, even if the fish didn't swim away. Enjoy some footage guys



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Re: Fishing is a cruel sport/hobby, [Re: Jordy]
    #19349261 - 12/30/13 11:39 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

Dang that thing is a monster. Looks like fun.

"that the fish is to be cleaned immediately at sea, no hanging it up on the scales to stroke ego.”

I don’t really get what you mean by this. Do trophy fisherman keep the fish alive till they get to shore or something to weigh it or what is the reasoning behind this?


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    #19352318 - 12/31/13 06:56 PM (10 years, 30 days ago)

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Dang that thing is a monster. Looks like fun.

"that the fish is to be cleaned immediately at sea, no hanging it up on the scales to stroke ego.”

I don’t really get what you mean by this. Do trophy fisherman keep the fish alive till they get to shore or something to weigh it or what is the reasoning behind this?




What most 'trophy fisherman' are wanting is an official weight by a gamefishing club weighstation, a bunch of photos and recognition. To do this, you need to kill the fish to get it back to shore and the whole weighing process usually causes a lot of commotion (especially with AR groups).

We choose to have no part of this culture as we are primarily tag and release fisherman when it comes to Marlin, whether it's in competition or just social fishing. Whilst we respect the right of the angler on our boat to take a fish, we won't allow the fish to be paraded back on dry land in order for someone's ego to inflate.


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    #19368135 - 01/04/14 01:02 PM (10 years, 26 days ago)



This is what I was referring to in my last post, although this fish died during the fight. It can happen sometimes but we have been good enough to not have it happen for over ten years on our boat (again, due to an improvement in tackle and techniques).

When guys intentionally kill fish for this kind of thing, it makes my blood boil as it is not necessary and does nothing but harm in so many areas of the fishing world.


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Re: Fishing is a cruel sport/hobby, [Re: Jordy]
    #19371469 - 01/05/14 05:53 AM (10 years, 26 days ago)

Not really the hook does not hurt the fish. After you catch it
If your not keeping them put it back in the water..


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    #19375205 - 01/05/14 10:53 PM (10 years, 25 days ago)

Jordy you guys do any Flyfishing for billfish that Black would be perfect size for a 12/13 wt and 16/20lb tippet.?


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    #19375727 - 01/06/14 03:32 AM (10 years, 25 days ago)

It's on the bucket list, not something I would do exclusively though. There's been plenty of those little Blacks around recently which would be perfect for fly, but I am concentrating on getting my new boat setup to go chase billfish on 20-30lb tackle.


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Re: Fishing is a cruel sport/hobby, [Re: Pureless]
    #19377154 - 01/06/14 12:51 PM (10 years, 24 days ago)

Yes.

Though, there has been claims that hooking a fish doesn't hurt it. I'm a little bit skeptical about that. Then again I'm not an expert. I'm not going to call out people who catch and release fish as inhumane cocksuckers or anything. It's just not for me unless it's for a food source.


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    #19380208 - 01/06/14 11:45 PM (10 years, 24 days ago)

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Yes.

Though, there has been claims that hooking a fish doesn't hurt it. I'm a little bit skeptical about that. Then again I'm not an expert. I'm not going to call out people who catch and release fish as inhumane cocksuckers or anything. It's just not for me unless it's for a food source.




And that's fair enough. You can still fish for food and enjoy it, no need to feel bad about it.

Most fish don't eat the same way that other animals eat their food. Most fish swallow their prey whole, so evolution has caused them to have less sensation to oral pain than most other animals, if any at all. They also lack an evolved neo cortex, meaning their sense of pain isn't what mammals feel.

My opinion of the fight of a lip-hooked fish is that it's in relation to the resistance, not pain.


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Re: Fishing is a cruel sport/hobby, [Re: Jordy]
    #19382069 - 01/07/14 11:54 AM (10 years, 23 days ago)

This is very likely the case.  I remember a story about a bass in a private pond that the owner would throw out a lure and if the bass would take it and get caught then released food would follow.  It worked.  He trained that bass to hit that surface lure almost every time.

Now I would however question the experience of the gut hooked fish that slowly dies or the gill hooked fish who dies from lack of oxygen.  Some suffering is likely there.

Bottom line however is suffering is normal in nature.  Got a problem with that? Take it up with mother nature.


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    #19387924 - 01/08/14 12:19 PM (10 years, 22 days ago)

Icelander, we get similar things happen in gamefishing where tagged and released gamefish are re-caught. I've caught a couple tagged fish and I have heard of one guy who even re-caught a fish he had tagged a few months earlier!!

Also, we don't risk gut hooked or gill hooked fish as we use circle hooks. If they don't hook up in the corner of the jaw then they don't hook up at all.


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Re: Fishing is a cruel sport/hobby, [Re: Jordy]
    #19391383 - 01/09/14 12:14 AM (10 years, 22 days ago)

Icelander gut hooked fish are likely to survive just fine ( I have caught trout for eating with any number of odd things in their bellies from chunks of glass to old beer can pull tabs. it is the gill hooked ones that die. The scene in jaws where they pull a license plate outa the tiger shark is pretty much correct. Unless gill hooked the fish will either digest the hook over time or it will "keyhole" out. in the case of a lost fish.


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    #19391798 - 01/09/14 02:30 AM (10 years, 22 days ago)

Back when I was about 12 or 13, I pulled shark jaws, mutton birds, dolphin parts, trim tabs (from flybridge boats), a piece of wood and 2 buoys from 3 x 800lb tiger shark's stomachs in the one day. There used to be a picture floating around the internet of me covered in blood with all the stomach contents of the shark's stomachs whilst holding up a fist of cash that I got paid to get the jaws off the fish. Most people didn't believe all that stuff was in the shark stomachs, it's amazing what some fish will eat.

Then there was the time we were picking at a whole roasted chicken and throwing bones overboard. Caught a Snapper not long after and when we cleaned it we found a chicken bone in it's stomach. Also pulled hooks out of snapper stomachs that weren't mine (obviously I use circles and get all my hooks back). Even gear and techniques that aren't fish friendly and hook up in bad areas don't always hurt the fish.


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    #19391849 - 01/09/14 02:47 AM (10 years, 22 days ago)

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Icelander gut hooked fish are likely to survive just fine ( I have caught trout for eating with any number of odd things in their bellies from chunks of glass to old beer can pull tabs. it is the gill hooked ones that die. The scene in jaws where they pull a license plate outa the tiger shark is pretty much correct. Unless gill hooked the fish will either digest the hook over time or it will "keyhole" out. in the case of a lost fish.





Better come up with some stats quick. I fished my whole life and I've seen uncounted numbers of fish circling and floating belly up after being cut loose from fishing line.  A delicate trout is very different than a shark.  I have also caught trout with a hook in them but that hardly means the majority survive gut hooking.


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Re: Fishing is a cruel sport/hobby, [Re: Icelander]
    #19395069 - 01/09/14 06:12 PM (10 years, 21 days ago)

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Better come up with some stats quick. I fished my whole life and I've seen uncounted numbers of fish circling and floating belly up after being cut loose from fishing line.  A delicate trout is very different than a shark.  I have also caught trout with a hook in them but that hardly means the majority survive gut hooking.



WTF man it ain't like I kept a log of all the stomach contents of the thousands of fish I've caught in my lifetime. :laugh2: Just trust me lots of fish eat goofy stuff and survive. I don't think I need to post a scientific study to verify this. You're a funny guy you make me laugh. :lolsy: I've caught Steelhead  with so many flies on their bodies and in their guts they looked like Chritmas trees inside and out.


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Re: Fishing is a cruel sport/hobby, [Re: r00tuuu123]
    #19395635 - 01/09/14 07:51 PM (10 years, 21 days ago)

Then there's no reason to believe most gut hooked fish survive.:shrug: In fact a study I read showed that many caught  handled and released fish swim away looking good only to die later due to the  stress of the fight. Something like 40% in trout if I remember right.  Larger fish like steelhead probably do somewhat better.

It's not a pretty sport from the fishes pov. :haha:  Lets face it, we really aren't going to change because of that.  I see it like recycling and such. It makes us feel good to pretend we are being real responsible and justify blood sport but really we just want to enjoy catching fish and sometimes eating them but we want to feel good about ourselves also.

When I was a kid letting fish go was unheard of. (40-50 years ago)  If you fished you ate what you caught if it was big enough.  End of story.  Those were good days.  Fishing now is kind of a joke compared to those days.  I got in on the best of it.  Lots of wild fish and no one was worried about any of it.  Mostly clean water, few regulations, and lots of food on the table.  I grew up in the farm families of Michigan.  We all fished, we also hunted some too but fishing was a big deal. Winter and summer we were out fishing.  I caught thousands and thousands of fish.  Some of them fairly large.  Big fun.

Oh and you're really exaggerating about the xmas tree fish imo.  I've fished for 45 years and never seen that.


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    #19397803 - 01/10/14 08:15 AM (10 years, 21 days ago)

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Oh and you're really exaggerating about the xmas tree fish imo.  I've fished for 45 years and never seen that.


Oh really then you have never fished the PA streams east of Erie. :laugh2:


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Re: Fishing is a cruel sport/hobby, [Re: r00tuuu123]
    #19399670 - 01/10/14 03:24 PM (10 years, 20 days ago)

I can't give any numbers Icelander, but one of the fish I tagged in the past that got re-captured was a fish that I did not think would survive. We caught it when tagging was becoming a trend but the conventional J hooks were still being used. The fish was hooked very deep so we just cut the line. That fish was then caught again 16 months later and in good condition.


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    #19400824 - 01/10/14 07:41 PM (10 years, 20 days ago)

Yes yes all of us who fish alot have had that experience.  That still does not mean that most survive when gut hooked.  :shrug:


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Oh and you're really exaggerating about the xmas tree fish imo.  I've fished for 45 years and never seen that.


Oh really then you have never fished the PA streams east of Erie. :laugh2:




Yeah right.  :tongue:


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    #21141352 - 01/18/15 08:49 PM (9 years, 12 days ago)

Yes, sometimes annoying fishing gloves


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    #21154171 - 01/21/15 08:15 AM (9 years, 10 days ago)

Not directed at anyone but the only fish that have a high mortality rate are gill hooked fish you're better of for the fishes sake to cut the line rather than trying to get the hook out. If you mess with it you're basically cutting the fishes throat. If you don't cut the line then keep it for the table.


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    #21160848 - 01/22/15 01:52 AM (9 years, 9 days ago)

That's why when fishing with bait I use non-offset circle hooks, they either hook up in the jaw corner or they don't hook up at all.

It's not needed with lures so much due to the hooks having constant pressure during the retrieve. The fish doesn't get a chance to swallow the hooks down to it's gills before the hooks go in


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Re: Fishing is a cruel sport/hobby, [Re: Ras Rising]
    #21235392 - 02/06/15 02:03 PM (8 years, 11 months ago)

Hey Rasliam

Who do you think pays for conservation? The sportsman. Fees for license for fishing, hunting and use of state land goes back in to helping and protect habitat. What have you done to help the outdoors? You do more damage in your daily routine then us fisherman do when we catch a fish.

Although I don't agree with using treble hooks and bait because of the damage it can do, I do believe the single hook has a very minimal affect on the fish. I know many fishery biologist who will back me up on that.


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Re: Fishing is a cruel sport/hobby, [Re: tscott1632]
    #21259608 - 02/11/15 05:02 PM (8 years, 11 months ago)

I have fish at least once a week. That's what they are for.:homerdrool:


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