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homegrown tabac-how it compares to commercial cigarettes?
    #18840232 - 09/14/13 07:10 AM (10 years, 5 months ago)

I'm looking to start growing nicotiana species next season for both ornamental reasons and for tobacco smoke. I personally quit smoking almost a year ago, but I could supply my friends and relatives instead of letting them buy commercial expensive smokes.
Thats why  I'm curious how this compares to "normal" tobacco cigarettes like marlboro when rolled into cigarettes with filter.
Is there a big difference between tobacco plant strains or it generally doesn't matter?
All input is appreciated.


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Re: homegrown tabac-how it compares to commercial cigarettes? [Re: cycline]
    #18840263 - 09/14/13 07:39 AM (10 years, 5 months ago)

Well if you grow Nicotiana Rustica you could give your friends and family some of the most potent tobacco they will ever smoke. I think it is like almost 10 times more potent than other Nicotiana species. All I know is shamans in South America use it as in entheogenic rituals, so it must be pretty damn strong.

Either way, the fact that the tobacco will be homegrown and won't have additives will be a really good selling point. In terms of growing tobacco, though, somebody else will have to chime in about that.


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Re: homegrown tabac-how it compares to commercial cigarettes? [Re: jjjcmzzt]
    #18840455 - 09/14/13 09:15 AM (10 years, 5 months ago)

Home grown tobacco is very diferent than  comercial shit. Strains obiusly vary, one example being the rustica.

For me after trying homegrown, comercial taste like shit.
For my girl, she doesnt like homegrown and prefer comercial, as it gives her best nicotine effects.

I certainly can feel the diference in effects, but now i know that shes not adicted to nicotine, but to other chemicals...


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Re: homegrown tabac-how it compares to commercial cigarettes? [Re: NagualaPawer]
    #18841650 - 09/14/13 04:58 PM (10 years, 5 months ago)

How many square meters of cultivation you need, to have some smoke for 1 year??

I really wanted to plant, bat always though i will have to use huge space..


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Re: homegrown tabac-how it compares to commercial cigarettes? [Re: gopener]
    #18845112 - 09/15/13 03:46 PM (10 years, 5 months ago)

One well grown plant of N. tabacum will generally yield 1 cartons worth of fully cured tobacco, give or take a pack.
Start the seeds early! The seed is miniscule and its good to grow the seedlings to the size of a grapefruit before transplant.
How dense you can plant is dependent on soil fertility and water supply. With lots of both each plant would do great in as little as a 3 foot by 3 foot area. That sounds like a large area but the plants are big, they'll overlap in that spacing.

As to flavor comparison, that is largely dependent on the flavor curing you do. That is infinitely more important to quality than plant variety.
Drying in the shade so it turns brown is color curing, next is flavor curing in humid warmth- the tobacco should never become damp, just flexible. I've seen people build kilns or even small rooms (with slow air exchange) to maintain tobacco at 140° and 65% humidity to get the flavor cure done in two weeks but it can be hung in any shady protected spot to cure slower. Lastly is an optional mellowing, at this stage any added flavors get evenly spread into the tobacco.

When harvesting, harvest the lowest leaves off all plants as the plants grow, it increases yield since they continue to grow like crazy and color cured leaves will keep just fine until your ready to flavor cure.

As for homegrowns lack of additives, remember tobacco accumulates toxins from commercial fertilizers too- fertilize with a diluted combo of liquid from lacto-fermented weeds and pee if you dont want your smoke to be radioactive.


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Re: homegrown tabac-how it compares to commercial cigarettes? [Re: Auxin]
    #18847306 - 09/16/13 12:47 AM (10 years, 5 months ago)

Bloody GREAT advice! ^

Especially about the radioactivity. Polonium isotopes are common in Super Phosphates. The ore is mined/extracted where the Polonium occurs.

That's the MAIN reason I wanted to stop smoking! You smoke radioactive material for long enough and your chances of disrupting the part DNA that stops cancer in the first place, goes up.

The curing part is the hardest/time consuming. I suggest you need a brick maker from memory.

Have you cured yours before Auxin?


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Re: homegrown tabac-how it compares to commercial cigarettes? [Re: Auxin]
    #18847764 - 09/16/13 05:47 AM (10 years, 5 months ago)

Thats great info mate!Thanks!!:biggrin:

One think, when you tell one carton you mean 10 packs of cigarets?I use to smoke , hand rolling tabaco, so i dont know how many packages have the carton!:tongue2:

I will have to research now the law here, because i think you need a license here to grow tabaco...:rolleyes:

Thanks again mate, most probably that will be my next cultivation!:super:


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Re: homegrown tabac-how it compares to commercial cigarettes? [Re: gopener]
    #18848756 - 09/16/13 11:59 AM (10 years, 5 months ago)

Yeah, I grew and cured many years ago, thats how I learned this stuff- I smoked color cured tobacco and it tasted like smoking lawn clippings :wink: After that I slow cured in a shady spot in a grow room, I never got around to building a permanent kiln because asking myself how many thousands of cigarettes I should grow for the following year helped push me that last bit to quitting. But if one wants to smoke, organically home grown is best.
Yeah, a carton is 10 packs, or 200 cigarettes.
In most of the US, growing enough for personal consumption is legal and untaxed. The main exceptions would be growing in tobacco producing regions where they fear home growers spreading plant diseases and pests.
In australia growing your own can be prosecuted as tax evasion, I'm not sure about any other countries.
(The aussie native tobacco that most resembles N. tabacum in alkaloid content and product texture is Nicotiana gossei, btw. I'm not sure if natives are covered under the tax nonsense.)
[Table of species alkaloid profiles]


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Re: homegrown tabac-how it compares to commercial cigarettes? [Re: Auxin]
    #18848875 - 09/16/13 12:22 PM (10 years, 5 months ago)

I grew tabacum and thw smoke was thw best. Easy on the lungs and very smooth.

I grew rustica and never again will I smoke it. Its like being on a rller coaster. Way too strong.


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Re: homegrown tabac-how it compares to commercial cigarettes? [Re: ferrel_human]
    #18849082 - 09/16/13 01:05 PM (10 years, 5 months ago)

Next summer i will plant 10 at least!:biggrin:


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Re: homegrown tabac-how it compares to commercial cigarettes? [Re: gopener]
    #18852622 - 09/17/13 08:07 AM (10 years, 5 months ago)

I figured this thread would e a good place to share my plants!
here's one of my three rusticas that are already in pots, I have 12 more in seed trays at the moment..



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