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Growin for income question
#18838753 - 09/13/13 08:52 PM (10 years, 4 months ago) |
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I have a 5.5'x6' closet with an 8' ceiling. I want to produce 10lbs per month consistently. Is it possible?
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Anonymous #2
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Do you have any experience?
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Anonymous #3
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mushrooms, yes. weed, obviously not.
i get 8oz per 18gallon monotub or MORE per first flush. and you can stack monotubs ..
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Anonymous #1
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Anonymous #2 said: Do you have any experience?
Yes, i have one grow under my belt, i yielded 9oz dry. GT strain brf jars spawned to hpoo in 18qt dishpans using sgfc.
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Anonymous #3 said: mushrooms, yes. weed, obviously not.
i get 8oz per 18gallon monotub or MORE per first flush. and you can stack monotubs ..
Very nice yield, im wondering if a fully auto martha gh wouldnt be quicker, more long term and less work, cleaner method of producing pounds dry and increasing the amount of flushes per colonized tub.
How much you pullin in per month using them monotubs?
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Anonymous #4
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I prefer monotubs to a GH even when you're growing a lot.
It's just easier IME.
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Anonymous #5
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If you've only done one tub, don't bother trying to do it commercially.
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Re: Growin for income question [Re: Anonymous #5] 1
#18842322 - 09/14/13 08:15 PM (10 years, 4 months ago) |
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How the hell would you move that knd of volume, tho? Just doesn't sem like there's that kind of demand for it.
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Anonymous #7
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SR maybe.. But you'd have to undercut some poeple that have been on there for awhile.
I know some places in VA where you could move 1-3 lbs per month
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Anonymous #4
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I don't sell mushrooms, but if I did I know where to get steadily get rid of as many mushrooms as possible, up to like 10lbs+ a month from one person.. Plus I live by a place that has hippy festivals all summer long where you could get rid of a lot of them.
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Anonymous #6
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I've tried SR, and you need like ~$400 bond to get started + prices on there have plummeted the last few years cuz the few current sellers on there sell really good quality stuff for quite low prices. You wpould seriously need to lowball to be able to compete, the profits margins would be pretty slim.
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Anonymous #8
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Possible if you have exceptional genetics and enough plants. You would also not have to smoke a lot of it. Account for failed crops, pay electricity, and pay for all the nutes and shit...
Possible but having a background job while doing so would make it easier.
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Anonymous #4 said: I don't sell mushrooms, but if I did I know where to get steadily get rid of as many mushrooms as possible, up to like 10lbs+ a month from one person.. Plus I live by a place that has hippy festivals all summer long where you could get rid of a lot of them.
Where do you live? if you don't mind me asking
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Anonymous #1
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I have a buddy who used to produce a few pounds a month about a year ago, but he was hooking folks up w nug too and decided the profits/ work werent worth it compared to his large scale nugslangin profits. So now his shroom market is a dark void growing bigger every day. Another friend is a member of a nufarious motorcycle club. He can take lbs off my hands by the month as well. Both are trusted friends whom i have known for years. If you plan on moving this kind of weight, you need to know the right people for sure. I can even get away for 12-1400/lb so the profits are there. I could enjoy this awesome hobby and make a legitimately staggering income from a bit of elbow greese applied meticulously in a closet. Its really pretty low risk with the amount of customers i have (2) and the fact that they are trusted friends who will be making profit off me and have no reason to stop the money from flowing in. Also never underestimate the amount of weight that can go at festivals... Ive seen a pound gone in 2 hours at a local festival here in the midwest.
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Anonymous #5
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Sounds like you have the clientelle. Develop the skills. One tub is not experience.
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Anonymous #1
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I love you number five. Keepin it real. Thanks brosky the honest truth is you are right. One tub is not enough. I am fascinated with the process as a hobby, and also money motivated to get it right. So hopefully this next big grow wont be too rocky with the help of my experienced friend and the fine folks on this message board. But i know there will be mistakes. Thats the beauty of a hobby, it aint easy off the bat.
Which makes the fruit sooo much sweeter at the end.
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Anonymous #10
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Word of advise,. I produce about a half pound every month with a single large monotub. I think 10lbs is implausible and over doing it. First off, you would need several large tubs and alot of resources speaking jars and substrate.. if you were to work tirelessly for a day or two, you might could fill 1-2 mono tubs.. then try gotta think drying equipment and trash.. ever picked a full canopy of cubes? Not really that fun. Imagine doing 10-20 by yourself? Won't be easy and would be very stressful. Now think trafficking. You need clientel, but you don't want your name out there as being the one growing.. there's alot of factors. Think smaller OP and don't count on it as a reliable source of income
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Anonymous #5
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10 lbs per month is totally doable for one person. It would be a decent amount of work, but with the right equipment it's possible. Most of it is waiting.
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Re: Growin for income question [Re: Anonymous #5] 1
#18876463 - 09/22/13 03:39 PM (10 years, 4 months ago) |
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i gotta go with number 5 here, #10. The harvesting of a canopy is the best most fun part of it all! Literally picking the fruits of my hard labor was the best part of my first grow. The drying will be a little cumbersome but well worth it. I can accomplish a hell of a lot more than one or two monos from a full tireless day of work...
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Anonymous #10
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I think the longest part would be pasturalizing the substrate if you choose to go that route. Also depends of the size of the mono tub. If you wanna give it a try then go for it. Not saying its impossible just a lot of work. I use horse poo and it would be hard to collect enough to many large tubs at once, much less getting everything pasturalized in the course of a single day. But hey, go ahead and try and let us know how it goes
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Re: Growin for income question [Re: Anonymous #1] 1
#18878629 - 09/22/13 11:48 PM (10 years, 4 months ago) |
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Growing 10 lbs per month/month and a half would be tough, but not unfeasible if you had the space. Moving 10 lbs per month and still making money would be a lot tougher. Fuck being a street dealer at festivals, that's an awesome way to go to jail.
Best way is one or two connects you fuck with once a month max.
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Anonymous #10
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Ive grown and sold a bunch. Is hard to find clientel. Ive gone to drive in raves and moved the bulk of my shrooms. I had a kilo wet, dried half and had about 2-3 ozs dry. It sold and I was able to sell awhile. The money was good. I made as much or more than at my job at the time. but eventually people loose interest after tripping a bunch. Its not hard to have a constent supply of mushrooms. I imagine 5 of the large tubs I make would make 10 lbs or more. But its too much and the risk involved is big too. I always worried about people getting busted with my supply and subsequently turn you in trying to get their shit dropped. I was running about 4 tubs of various sizes and had enough for a lot of people for a long time. Its more than the material. A lot of it is the risk. And don't think it be easy to get away with at mommy and daddys house assuming your living conditions. I'm just trying to be logical when I think about 10 lbs being produced. If your not very experience, then start a little smaller. We all have dreams of large sucide grows, but in reality I don't think is possible unless for some reason you have all these supplies, space, clients, money and time to do what your wanting to do.
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Anonymous #11
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The best way is to grow, harvest, shut everything down (break down growing equip/don't have live mycelium), then sell what you have. If you get busted, you "only" get nailed with possession/distribution and not distribution/production.
Also, the next tier on the felony scale for most states for mushrooms is 10 lbs or more.
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Anonymous #12
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Anonymous #6 said: I've tried SR, and you need like ~$400 bond to get started prices on there have plummeted the last few years cuz the few current sellers on there sell really good quality stuff for quite low prices. You wpould seriously need to lowball to be able to compete, the profits margins would be pretty slim.
When you can sell ounces for roughly $130 after you are established, that is $20k a month. If you do bigger quantities (QP's for $450, etc) you can still be looking at a lot of money. It is a full time job, and full time paranoia. Security is an utmost concern, simply running through Tor isn't going to be enough to protect your identity. If you're in a small town with only a couple of mailboxes, it becomes even sketchier.
Really, growing a few lbs a month and moving them in half OZ, OZ, and QP on SR will get you a plenty decent income. Then you have to worry about how to cash out your BitCoins anonymously, and hide all of the money from the IRS.
Edited by Anonymous (09/23/13 04:59 PM)
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Yeah the space and the clientele are under wraps, and i gotta say there's ways around pasteurizing myself that can be outsourced fairly easily in my situation. Waiting is the real booger in this deal because that is one really effin hot closet. I personally have moved on from festival supply. 2 dudes of a trusted nature once per month -month and a half. where your wrong is the $ aspect. When it changes hands once the price goes from $1400 to $2-2200(or more). Math says less than $500 investment in a cool ass hobby that produces 14K of fun money per month. i mean business is business and if i ain't getting paid somebody else is. i have a future to invest in.
#12 good info and good idea. with all the security nonsense going on by misguided american organizations SR is not my style. 2 friends is WAY safer and guess what. cash money. no shipping costs. cash money. no bitcoins. cash money. no irs. cash money.
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Anonymous #1
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Exactly #13. Exactly.
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Anonymous #5
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Fuck those prices. $250 per QP, 450 on a half and 800 on a lb will get you lots of customers. $120-130 per oz is highway robbery. I've sold them for $50 per oz before, and to me that's fair. If you're doing it right, it costs less than $5 per oz.
Just regulate and make sure that price drop goes down the line. My goal was always to lower the price of mushrooms in my town (cause I've been that kid paying $40 an eighth and it's bullshit) and I did. It wasn't hard, and I still made LOTS of money.
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Anonymous #5 said: Fuck those prices. $250 per QP, 450 on a half and 800 on a lb will get you lots of customers. $120-130 per oz is highway robbery. I've sold them for $50 per oz before, and to me that's fair. If you're doing it right, it costs less than $5 per oz.
Just regulate and make sure that price drop goes down the line. My goal was always to lower the price of mushrooms in my town (cause I've been that kid paying $40 an eighth and it's bullshit) and I did. It wasn't hard, and I still made LOTS of money.

$50/oz is not worth the risk.
Outdoor weed is practically free, and that can go $2k+/lb to the right buyers. You might as well slang bud by the half sack if you want to profit $50 an oz of product.
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i was selling ozs for 80, now charging 100. 1/8th for 20$.. my 1/8ths are usually 4 grams and oz are 30. id sell a qp for $300, maybe 320. Ill take what i can get thou. Its all about moving them. No need to be stingy
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Anonymous #12 said: $50/oz is not worth the risk.
Outdoor weed is practically free, and that can go $2k+/lb to the right buyers. You might as well slang bud by the half sack if you want to profit $50 an oz of product.
You think too much about money. If you have the right people, it's totally worth it, because you work with one or 2 people who buy in bulk and that's it. $50 per oz adds up over a few lbs. As a grower, you shouldn't be dealing with end users anyway.
It's not so much about making every dollar you can, it's about getting the stuff out there and changing lives.
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When you ask somebody where they are comfortably buying pounds and theysay 1400 because they know they can get 22-2400 out of them. I bank and so do they. Ill just call myself lucky the demand in the region i live in is high enough to support the price. Im not gonna go lower than what somebody says is comfortably low enough for them to keep coming back for more... Its not greed it is business, and over time, prices will drop naturally. ill never take less than $1k lb that's unheard of around here.
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Anonymous #14
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I got busted, would never do it for less than 1600lb again. Look 5 years in the face (ny), and then talk about 50oz
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If number 14 would have been #13 this normally would strike me as a very strange and odd coincidence that merits further pondering. But alas i am simply to smart. I dont have stage 4 lung cancer and this aint no meth we are talking about. Nobody is poppin caps over this in my region unless they are doin it to trip. So sorry but if NY is a frying pan, where i come from is the freezer.
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Anonymous #14 said: I got busted, would never do it for less than 1600lb again. Look 5 years in the face (ny), and then talk about 50oz
In my state, manufacturing a schedule I is 5-25 years. I still would never charge more than $1,000 for a lb. If you want more money then sell more, don't tax more.
WTF happened to people spreading psychedelics for the love? It's all money, money, money nowadays.
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Anonymous #14 said: I got busted, would never do it for less than 1600lb again. Look 5 years in the face (ny), and then talk about 50oz
In my state, manufacturing a schedule I is 5-25 years. I still would never charge more than $1,000 for a lb. If you want more money then sell more, don't tax
Just give them away then
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Anonymous #14 said: Just give them away then
A lot of times I do. I've got 40 jars worth of ATL7 stones that are not for profit. And every lb I sell is fat by a half oz or more.
Also, giving them away doesn't force everyone else in town to drop their prices. Selling them dirt cheap does. It helps the entire community.
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Anonymous #1 said: If number 14 would have been #13 this normally would strike me as a very strange and odd coincidence that merits further pondering. But alas i am simply to smart. I dont have stage 4 lung cancer and this aint no meth we are talking about. Nobody is poppin caps over this in my region unless they are doin it to trip. So sorry but if NY is a frying pan, where i come from is the freezer.
Bahaha you are *to* smart to get busted? But you're not smart enough to use the right form of to. OP get busted and butt fucked in prison for the next 14 years and will love it.
OP is troll
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Re: Growin for income question [Re: Anonymous #7] 1
#18894381 - 09/26/13 02:46 PM (10 years, 4 months ago) |
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#7 is clearly a Godsmack fan and enjoys standing alone.
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Anonymous #7
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Anonymous #1 said: #7 is clearly a Godsmack fan and enjoys standing alone.
Damn kid, you are genius. Grow, grow, grow! You will never get caught, you're just "to smart"
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Damn kid, you are genius. Grow, grow, grow! You will never get caught, you're just "to smart" 
You can tell by the way he posts he has alot to learn. Like i said, give it a try and you'll see. Dont say we didn't give you a heads up
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Anonymous #1
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Weird how hypothetical anonymous posts are just for shits and giggles, yet the haters still gotta find a way to drop the pessimist bomb on all the fun. Thanks
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Anonymous #15
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I liked the info in this thread so far..
Ok, anyone suggest a way of selling if you don't have a friend or connection that will buy lbs off you ?
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Anonymous #12
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Online.
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Anonymous #7
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Local PD usually offer the biggest bang for your buck, look at recent quotes by them in your local newspaper.
they pay TOP dollar mang
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Anonymous #10
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since this thread started, i sold 70 grams in two sales for something like $180.. just this past weekend sold a qp for 235$, thou we agreed on 300$ he said hed get me the rest later, but im not really worried about it. Im just happy to make that sale. Now i am sold out and need to consider putting another grow together, quickly before halloween comes.
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Anonymous #16
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lmao.... shit is 10/gram where i'm at... 2g/lb
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Anonymous #7
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mo money mo problems
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Anonymous #17
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OP has no idea how hard it is to actually crop out 10 bow by yourself.
That is a lot of work, and I also hope you have a lot of start up cash if your doing all of that in a few tubs, those tubs cost money, so do jars, going to cook all of that substrate and pasteurize all of that bulk sub with one pc, better plan on buying a big sack of meth too because your not getting much sleep this month, o wait a minute, your keeping this going every month, man I sure hope you got a big kitchen to cook all this sub and prep all these tubs. Sure hope you got your sanitary practices and all that other shit inline, because believe me, after working 10 or 30 hours and then throwing all of your work in the trash to start over sure can be discouraging.
I guess if you plan on cropping 10 lb dry your talking about starting with 100lb of rye, and that is just for starters don't forget about the 200 or so lbs of horse shit your going to use to actually crop it out, wait better mix in a little verm too, maybe about 50 lb or so to help keep all that work from drying out.
your going to need 20-40 tubs to crop all that.
one cooker? it will run non-stop all month to get to 10 bow.
dehydrator? going to need a few of these to keep up with drying all those boomers.
If your living in an apartment or a house with any type of roommates, your not going to be able to do this without them knowing.
Good luck, and remember if you tell one person your growing they are going to tell at least one more and so on. If you get caught doing this anywhere in the us of a your ass is going to jail for a long time.

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Anonymous #18
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800 for a qp isn't bad.
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#17, I buy subs and spawn from vendors! so no pressure cooker and no time investment aside from opening the packages that arrive at my door.
I don't even own a pressure cooker and dehydrators are CHEAP and perform well for long periods. Sterile is not a problem its pretty much just common sense and a few cheap supplies.
I think with good isolated genetics 15-20 tubs would easily be sufficient to snag 10 bows. Tubs are usually stackable in my experience so most walk in closets could easily house 20 tubs.
I agree that harvest will be cumbersome. I think once proper genes have been established and isolated, all one aggressive strain, the timing will become almost as predictable as clockwork as well as diminishing in length of time required from knock up to dry weight.
Once the strains are isolated, the only variables are continuation of sterile procedure (a given) and the ability to order quality pre pasteurized and sterilized spawn and bulk subs.
The profits diminish due to the increased cost of ordering subs and spawn rather than doing the work myself. For a scenario like this, with the yield capabilities and amount of work, the time saved is well worth the money lost.
To start up from nothing i would calculate no more than 900 bucks all in to jump in and do it right. Then just the cost of the spawn after initial supplies (tubs/dehydrators/chemicals/cultures .etc) Probably several grows to get the genetics/ timing lined up optimally and after that you are off to the races making possibly 10-15k a month.
Unless the fuzz pops the fun bubble and fucks up the rotation. Ya got me there. Many rapes shall fill the rest of your days if shit goes fuzzy... The best idea is to live alone, tell no one, and have very few customers whom are smart and trustworthy.
For a hypothetical scenario, i think the i have a pretty good idea of what 10 bow production would look like.
Thanks for the good points #17!
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Anonymous #5
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Prepared substrates are NOT the way to go. If you have problems, you'll have no way to track them down. DIY.
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Anonymous #1
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Good point #5... UNLESS... the vendor is incredible. Not to mention, when you are spending hundreds of dollars essentially for shit and grain, they damn well better be a quality product. A little communication with the vendor can go a loooooooooong way towards making sure you are taken care of when it comes to quality.
There is risk, but again, communication=quality. Especially with some of the awesome vendors out there.
It is important to know your vendor well. I think pre-made is a perfectly viable way to go... If you are capable of being a valued customer to a quality vendor, that is.
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Anonymous #17
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yep, might as well just buy 20 hydropods and be done with it 
Seriously, if it were that easy there would be hundreds of kids doing it all across the world...
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Anonymous #1 said: Good point #5... UNLESS... the vendor is incredible. Not to mention, when you are spending hundreds of dollars essentially for shit and grain, they damn well better be a quality product. A little communication with the vendor can go a loooooooooong way towards making sure you are taken care of when it comes to quality.
There is risk, but again, communication=quality. Especially with some of the awesome vendors out there.
It is important to know your vendor well. I think pre-made is a perfectly viable way to go... If you are capable of being a valued customer to a quality vendor, that is.
No. Do it yourself so you can know for sure. Your logic is not logical.
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Anonymous #19
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ive had ops that size.
how big is your team?
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Anonymous #10 said: since this thread started, i sold 70 grams in two sales for something like $180.. just this past weekend sold a qp for 235$, thou we agreed on 300$ he said hed get me the rest later, but im not really worried about it. Im just happy to make that sale. Now i am sold out and need to consider putting another grow together, quickly before halloween comes.
Jesus where I am from that's dirt cheap. They want almost 200 bucks an OZ. Not ever worth it...
The demand is stupid high where I am from but no body every has anything... I can't believe it's possible to get it that cheap... I thought the prices on SR were cheap...
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Anonymous #18
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Nobody likes eating shrooms they'd rather do powders
You get so much more bank with pot.
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Anonymous #21
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Ive only sold my harvest's once, and that was to break even on getting my setup going. Ended up selling 1 pound of mushrooms for $1250 and that covered all of my costs + a little profit to order some more supplies, i might sell some of my next harvest again as it fly's off my mates hand and he makes some cash as well.
My number 1 rule would be don't sell them anywhere near by, my guy sold them 8 hours away from where we met and then came back. Also never let anyone know where you are growing them, meet in a public place and do the exchange there, never have any active grows going when you are selling either as someone stated earlier. Grow your mushrooms put aside 2-4 oz's for personal use throughout the year and sell the rest.
You can be comfortable knowing you aren't wasting money on a very interesting and rewarding hobby and can help spread the love out there where others might not have the chance to experience mushrooms otherwise.
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Anonymous #19
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its a long ( dangerous) way to the top, if ya wanna rock and roll.
id suggest 90% of the goodies,are grown by 10% of the growers.
out of that 10%, 60% see life changes in 10 yrs and quit. 20% get busted within first 10 yrs. 10% dead , injured, forced retirement, vanished.
leaving about one percent left after 20 yrs, of wich half, had their fun, and quit.
considering , the modern grow movement , essentially started in the 70's there are pry less than several dozen, serious old pro's over 30 yrs, on the globe.
the skill, and survival curves are steep. ill offer, you need best teks, and best james bond skill, combined.
legends start somewhere good luck.
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Anonymous #19 said: its a long ( dangerous) way to the top, if ya wanna rock and roll.
id suggest 90% of the goodies,are grown by 10% of the growers.
out of that 10%, 60% see life changes in 10 yrs and quit. 20% get busted within first 10 yrs. 10% dead , injured, forced retirement, vanished.
leaving about one percent left after 20 yrs, of wich half, had their fun, and quit.
considering , the modern grow movement , essentially started in the 70's there are pry less than several dozen, serious old pro's over 30 yrs, on the globe.
the skill, and survival curves are steep. ill offer, you need best teks, and best james bond skill, combined.
legends start somewhere good luck.
Yup 
Stay in the shadows and be smart.
Monotubs are the easiest way to get 'er done, but don't fuck with pre-mixed bags... make your own substrate... it's simple and not a bunch of work when you can put out 40 tubs for $13 a tub
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Anonymous #22
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Be like a fart in the wind.
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Anonymous #11
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Are you in a house or an apartment, OP? How close are your neighbors? Where are you getting the substrate sent to? Are you planning on getting that stuff sent to your house all at once or via multiple shipments? If this is gonna be a constant thing, it might raise suspicion.
IMO, it's less shady to pasteurize yourself.
Living situation is also key, I can't stress this enough. I won't even consider it until I'm in a house that I own without room mates.. and even then, it carries the greatest risk because I could lose the crib.
C'est la vie. Good luck.
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Anonymous #11 said: it carries the greatest risk because I could lose the crib.
C'est la vie. Good luck.
if ya dont lose a house or 2 to the grow, or, to taxes, it just aint a party.
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Anonymous #23
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not saying i would do this, but.....
it would be a lot of work for a single person to churn out that much every month. yes, there are long periods of "waiting" in the growing process, but there would also be a few consecutive days of LOTS of bullshit working (making grain jars, g2g'ing, agar-ing lol) that i don't see how you could accomplish if you have a job or a life 
however, if you teamed up with a trusted someone who didn't have much going on who could help you with the tedious work, i think you could pull off a 10lb monthly net harvest. i have a good job, but my dear bf of 7 years isn't working right now, so it would be very possible for us to be doing this very thing RIGHT THIS MINUTE  
also, owning/renting an actual HOUSE vs APARTMENT is key.
i don't know why ppl act like there is no wai you could move lbs per month, with the right connections it is mind blowingly easy. is this a good life plan? nooooooo, but some people are willing to do what others aren't, and have been since the beginning of time.
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Anonymous #24
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I used to buy pounds off a dude in the 90's. He gave them to me in a plastic shopping bag and I'd find ways to make them disappear pretty quick. The price was rather cheap and he would have had to grow a lot to make a decent living like that. a grand per lb.
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In this scenario its a house, no roommates. i have trustworthy hands if i need them while adjusting, but i could feasibly handle it myself once the timing is perfected.
Although there is nothing unlawful about getting shit sent to you in the mail, it might be a good idea to scatter between multiple addresses so that in the unlikely event that the operation becomes compromised by an investigation, there is one less puzzle piece.
This would mean bringing others in on the action, which creates the worst kind of risk that can utterly ruin you in seconds, so considering that the perfectly legal boxes are plenty-full and weigh a shit ton, i will simply have them held for pickup.
This eliminates the suspicious neighbors. I doubt the dude at the mail office gives two shits about that shit. Hes probably just happy his ass didn't have to carry it all the way to my door.
Either way I'm still not convinced that i should abandon ordering for self preparation
Good input fellow shroomerities, ya caused a head scratch or two for sure.
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Anonymous #23
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If you're talking about getting spores sent to you in the mail, I wouldn't even worry about that at all (unless you're in one of those pesky 3 states). Really, all you'd need would be one single shipment of a few spore syringes/prints to get you going and once you have some petri dishes or master grain jars going, there's no need to ever have to order spores again - apart from that initial first order. So don't stress so much about receiving that first and only shipment of spores to start you off.
And the main reasons ppl are pressing so hard for you to make your own grain jars & substrate mix is: 1. cheaper (but yes, more time consuming) 2. practicality in case shit fucks up (if you make it yourself you can always trust that it was prepared correctly because YOU did it and you know exactly how and what was done to prepare the materials.......and if your grow suddenly comes down with mold, but you didn't pre-make ANY of the materials yourself, it will be impossible for you to pinpoint what/who/where in the process shit went south because you didn't have a hand in making any of the stuff. and trust me, when you get a contam problem, you WILL want to be able to pinpoint what went wrong because you can't fix what you don't know is fucked up).
gl to ya
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Anonymous #1
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In this scenario, there are already two strains properly isolated on petri dishes.
It surprises me that these businesses can thrive so well selling shit if it aint good shit. Now i have had no bad experience with a vendor and i see no reason why he would not be able to help me understand/pinpoint any contamination issues if and when they arise. The process is not complicated to understand or explain, and this person does this for a legitimate living. Not to mention that some vendors will even replace the product if your spending enough money.
If i lose a tub or two, i cant replace the fungus. But with the right choices and timing i can easily make up for it with the replaced product and a few extra master grain jars in time for the next cycle. That's if i decide its even worth making up for. Worst case scenario the lot of the shit is bad and it all gets replaced and I'm behind a month, previous experience and raving reviews over some of these businesses would suggest that this situation would be a first. The odds and math say that any losses can be overcome or would be minimal enough in the scheme of profits to ignore.
I say if you know and trust the vendor, have the money, and accept the minimal risks, your odds of contams are probably even either way.
I don't have an unlimited supply of shit, grain and additives, nor do i have a giant autoclave and an army of pressure cookers manned by trained employees but i sure as hell know somebody does. That somebody can do it faster, better, and has been doing it longer than me with much greater results and they can prove it with established reputation and repeated demonstration.
Id even venture to guess that the source of contams when ordering subs and spawn is way more often then not the fault of the customer and not the vendor. Especially with some vendors.
Who likes to do this part anyway? That shit sucks. Send me a bag ready to go that i can cut open and go please. I'm interested in the fun part.
I mean am i making sense or no? Ill admit there are assumptions in my argument and only time will tell, but the idea of a vendor that provides a 100% quality product and knows what he is doing and does it with pride is not far fetched. If he is relying on people like me to support his living id imagine his business might very well be most successful if ran as described.
But what do i know im just an anonymous dreamer in the endless and fractal universe of possibility trying to make sense of what is put and front of me and do the best i can with it.
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Anonymous #19
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Quote:
Anonymous #1 said:
I don't have an unlimited supply of shit, grain and additives, nor do i have a giant autoclave and an army of pressure cookers manned by trained employees but i sure as hell know somebody does.
thnx, but im not a vendor.
you make it sound like unlimited supply , advanced equip, and a team of assistants, are a bad thing...
what you have in mind, could work in theory, problem is , your supply line is limited to mail and vendor.
the way i see it, ya can take packages at the door from mail order, or ya can do it yourself, and lay flares for supply trucks at the loading dock.......with no supply line limits.
also, keep in mind 10 dry is a kitty pool operation. 100 wet, means several hundred pounds wet bulk sub. your gonna need better teks than traditional bulks, and youll need several hundred $ in enviro handling , if ya think your gonna air it all out with a wally box fan.......good luck.
big ops, arent as easy as it would seem. otherwise half the peeps here would have run a bucket loader thru a cow field, and declared victory already.
Edited by Anonymous (10/26/13 08:22 AM)
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