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OfflineShahal Rainrix
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Re: Substrate Question [Re: Stromrider]
    #18838107 - 09/13/13 06:32 PM (10 years, 5 months ago)

I'll be fine, the  hallucinations come from brain damage. I just started the meds for paranoia a month ago. I also don't have much of a filter anymore do to these pills. So I just say what comes to mind most of the time. I may stop taking most of my meds. I mean 14 different pills. The hallucinations aren't that bad and I know they aren't real and they were fun to watch.

And why doesn't bee pollen make sense? Do you know what nutrients are in it or what nutrients are in mushroom? Mushrooms have evolved to use almost anything for food, but there are somethings it can't convert (I'm still looking for that info). I honestly want to know and this isn't a jab or anything.

Special thanks to Budkatz. I'll look into that.


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Re: Substrate Question [Re: budkatz]
    #18838209 - 09/13/13 06:57 PM (10 years, 5 months ago)

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There is a "supercake" recipe on another site, using many of these additives. You might check into it. The author of the thread used bee pollen, worm casting tea, corn meal, etc. You could probably find it with google search.

Good luck, let us know your results.



I have to thank you again. It was consistent with my notes. It even added coconut flour which are also on my list. Thanks!


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Re: Substrate Question [Re: Shahal Rainrix]
    #18838270 - 09/13/13 07:09 PM (10 years, 5 months ago)

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Shahal Rainrix said:
And why doesn't bee pollen make sense? Do you know what nutrients are in it or what nutrients are in mushroom?




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RogerRabbit said:
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Shahal Rainrix said:
But the bee pollen makes sence, ...




...Exactly what is there for the mycelium to metabolize? :shrug:
RR




I'm not trying to be a dick, but instead of asking us why it don't make sense, how about you telling us exactly why it does make sense. I'm an idiot and really would like for you to break it down to me.

Also, for the purpose of cultivation, it doesn't matter what nutrients are in mushrooms. What matters is what nutrients are in your growth medium for mycelium to consume.

If you do indeed want to know the nutritional value of mushrooms, then I don't know. But I would be curious as to why you would want to know. Some sort of reverse engineering? If you know what they are made of, maybe you could figure out what they metabolized to get that nutrient?


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Re: Substrate Question [Re: SpitballJedi]
    #18838436 - 09/13/13 07:49 PM (10 years, 5 months ago)

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SpitballJedi said:
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Shahal Rainrix said:
And why doesn't bee pollen make sense? Do you know what nutrients are in it or what nutrients are in mushroom?




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RogerRabbit said:
Quote:

Shahal Rainrix said:
But the bee pollen makes sence, ...




...Exactly what is there for the mycelium to metabolize? :shrug:
RR




I'm not trying to be a dick, but instead of asking us why it don't make sense, how about you telling us exactly why it does make sense. I'm an idiot and really would like for you to break it down to me.

Also, for the purpose of cultivation, it doesn't matter what nutrients are in mushrooms. What matters is what nutrients are in your growth medium for mycelium to consume.

If you do indeed want to know the nutritional value of mushrooms, then I don't know. But I would be curious as to why you would want to know. Some sort of reverse engineering? If you know what they are made of, maybe you could figure out what they metabolized to get that nutrient?



I looked at it and added that note at the end because I was worried it would offend. But I honestly didn't mean it like that.

But yeah, you see where I'm going and I already did it. I have gotten as close to the break down as I could, by looking at nutrition labels. I'm sure my list is incomplete though. Not all the labels listed selenium or magnesium. I also had to look at a broad range of mushrooms. I know there has to be at least a few things I'm missing so I can compare it.

((copied from my notes, I forgot where I got it))
Fungi feed by absorbing nutrients from the organic material in which they live. Fungi do not have stomachs. They must digest their food before it can pass through the cell wall into the hyphae. Hyphae secrete acids and enzymes that break the surrounding organic material down into simple molecules they can easily absorb.

Fungi have evolved to use a lot of different items for food. Some are decomposers living on dead organic material like leaves. Some fungi cause diseases by using living organisms for food. These fungi infect plants, animals and even other fungi. Athlete’s foot and ringworm are two fungal diseases in humans. The mycorrhizal fungi live as partners with plants. They provide mineral nutrients to the plant in exchange for carbohydrates or other chemicals fungi cannot manufacture.
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There are things that it can't generate on it's own. What if potassium is a major? Coco coir Contains significant amounts of phosphorous and potassium and so do mushrooms. What I found to make up a mushroom are these...

Folate (Vitamin B9)
Niacin (Vitamin B3)
Pantothenic Acid (Vitamin B5)
Riboflavin (Vitamin B2)
Thiamin (Vitamin B1)
Vitamin B6
Copper
Iron
Magnesium
Phosphorus
Potassium
Calcium
Selenium
Zinc
Fiber

Rye, brf and horse poo also have atleast 4 each. I hear horse poo works a little better then coco coir and it also has phosphorus and potassium, but with bonus calcium and magnesium. Isn't that worth looking into?

((Note: typing alot is hard for me do to brain damage. Its a short term memory problem.))

Added...

Even if increasing all of those doesn't work like suggested, re-balancing them could still work. Increasing and decreasing could show fair changes. Before I even try mixing my substrates I'm going to try each ingredient, + verm, by themselves to test results. Its going to be a long road.


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Re: Substrate Question [Re: Shahal Rainrix]
    #18840241 - 09/14/13 07:17 AM (10 years, 5 months ago)

Does any one have some isolates fruited on different substrates to show him just how genetic growth is? You would probably need to upload it somewhere that could be found from a google search though. Shahal why don't you look through RR's gallery. He's a bee keeper, and his livelihood is growing mushrooms for profit, so success is kind of paramount.

I think you should be able to tell us about enzyme secretion and nutrient absorption in terms of molecular signalling pathways and proteins. As well, be able to demonstrate a good understanding of mushrooms genetics in your own words. Before you go trying to make up food.

I would love to see what you could come up for the next new cat or dog food.

Have you made up a superfood cocktail for humans yet? Would even you eat that shit?


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