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Offlineressa69
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Life-Altering DMT Breakthrough *DELETED*
    #18838118 - 09/13/13 06:35 PM (10 years, 4 months ago)

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Re: Life-Altering DMT Breakthrough [Re: ressa69]
    #18838145 - 09/13/13 06:42 PM (10 years, 4 months ago)

Namaste


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Re: Life-Altering DMT Breakthrough [Re: ressa69]
    #18838159 - 09/13/13 06:46 PM (10 years, 4 months ago)

Whole lotta bullshit going on.  You got really fucking high.  I've been there and beyond too many times.  You feel like Moses on the mountain, Muhammed in the cave, Jesus in the garden.  The whole fucking nine yards, too bad church can't hold a candle to it, I'm sure the priests are pissed.  But guess what?  You still have no clue about anything supernatural.  Only fools and liars claim otherwise.  There's never a shred of evidence that the experience has any more validity, truth, or functional value than a dream.

The monolith and the deity?  Nigga please.  Keep doing it, it loses it's luster after a while.  God loses luster?  Yep.  Because it's not God or anything close.  It's a cheap thrill, pennies per trip if you buy your root bark in bulk.  The stairway to stupidity.


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Re: Life-Altering DMT Breakthrough [Re: joemolloy]
    #18838327 - 09/13/13 07:23 PM (10 years, 4 months ago)

Jeez, Joe.  Why hold back?  Tell us what you REALLY think!  :rofl2:

How was the vacation?  PM me if you like.

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Re: Life-Altering DMT Breakthrough [Re: Nature Boy]
    #18838333 - 09/13/13 07:24 PM (10 years, 4 months ago)

Ah, this is a hit and run.  I'm out.


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Re: Life-Altering DMT Breakthrough [Re: joemolloy]
    #18838345 - 09/13/13 07:25 PM (10 years, 4 months ago)

10-4 good buddy.

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Re: Life-Altering DMT Breakthrough [Re: joemolloy]
    #18838443 - 09/13/13 07:51 PM (10 years, 4 months ago)

Quote:

joemolloy said:
Whole lotta bullshit going on.  You got really fucking high.  I've been there and beyond too many times.  You feel like Moses on the mountain, Muhammed in the cave, Jesus in the garden.  The whole fucking nine yards, too bad church can't hold a candle to it, I'm sure the priests are pissed.  But guess what?  You still have no clue about anything supernatural.  Only fools and liars claim otherwise.  There's never a shred of evidence that the experience has any more validity, truth, or functional value than a dream.

The monolith and the deity?  Nigga please.  Keep doing it, it loses it's luster after a while.  God loses luster?  Yep.  Because it's not God or anything close.  It's a cheap thrill, pennies per trip if you buy your root bark in bulk.  The stairway to stupidity.




Wow go fuck yourself. I'm done with this place.


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Re: Life-Altering DMT Breakthrough [Re: ressa69]
    #18838469 - 09/13/13 07:57 PM (10 years, 4 months ago)

I'm loling so hard right now


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Re: Life-Altering DMT Breakthrough [Re: ressa69]
    #18839781 - 09/14/13 01:40 AM (10 years, 4 months ago)

Quote:

ressa69 said:
Quote:

joemolloy said:
Whole lotta bullshit going on.  You got really fucking high.  I've been there and beyond too many times.  You feel like Moses on the mountain, Muhammed in the cave, Jesus in the garden.  The whole fucking nine yards, too bad church can't hold a candle to it, I'm sure the priests are pissed.  But guess what?  You still have no clue about anything supernatural.  Only fools and liars claim otherwise.  There's never a shred of evidence that the experience has any more validity, truth, or functional value than a dream.

The monolith and the deity?  Nigga please.  Keep doing it, it loses it's luster after a while.  God loses luster?  Yep.  Because it's not God or anything close.  It's a cheap thrill, pennies per trip if you buy your root bark in bulk.  The stairway to stupidity.




Wow go fuck yourself. I'm done with this place.




wasnt gonna post but

LOL

oh and..

last seen 2 hours ago!

again

LOL

I literally pictured judge judys face and her voice while reading


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Re: Life-Altering DMT Breakthrough [Re: Deathcore]
    #18839782 - 09/14/13 01:41 AM (10 years, 4 months ago)

maybe his avatar played a role


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Re: Life-Altering DMT Breakthrough [Re: ressa69]
    #18840200 - 09/14/13 06:41 AM (10 years, 4 months ago)

Quote:

ressa69 said:
Quote:

joemolloy said:
Whole lotta bullshit going on.  You got really fucking high.  I've been there and beyond too many times.  You feel like Moses on the mountain, Muhammed in the cave, Jesus in the garden.  The whole fucking nine yards, too bad church can't hold a candle to it, I'm sure the priests are pissed.  But guess what?  You still have no clue about anything supernatural.  Only fools and liars claim otherwise.  There's never a shred of evidence that the experience has any more validity, truth, or functional value than a dream.

The monolith and the deity?  Nigga please.  Keep doing it, it loses it's luster after a while.  God loses luster?  Yep.  Because it's not God or anything close.  It's a cheap thrill, pennies per trip if you buy your root bark in bulk.  The stairway to stupidity.




Wow go fuck yourself. I'm done with this place.




:lol: The most dangerous part of the psychedelic experience is actually believing the crazy stuff your mind spins while in the walking dream. The people most vulnerable to this are otherwise intelligent people like Terrence McKenna or Timothy Leary.

It's funny how these substances have a paradoxical ego building effect. Shoot, you can even see it in some posters on this site and on other psychedelic forums- huge egos. Just one of the many mysteries of the human brain I suppose.

Nice trip report.


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Re: Life-Altering DMT Breakthrough [Re: setb]
    #18840206 - 09/14/13 06:47 AM (10 years, 4 months ago)

Not so life altering it seems

Since you are still afraid to share your opinions

You need to go back and face that fear :wink:

Didn't even get to read your story :-(

peace


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Re: Life-Altering DMT Breakthrough [Re: Deathcore]
    #18840215 - 09/14/13 06:59 AM (10 years, 4 months ago)

Yes lololll I am too stupid to notice trolls or realize that it keeps track of when I view log on. I get it. I get why we need those people on here.

Sure, my response was hypocritical, but I hit a breaking point. I just don't fit in here, plain and simple. I can't say I want to try elsewhere either.

but if I want to leave? Why post this? I bet you're loling even harder.

these experiences to me, are not for Lolz. Whether or not they are legitimate isn't even up for debate. I don't tell you that when you're father dies, that the pain you feel is imaginary, just neurotransmitters and things in you're brain making you sad. That it's all bullshit.

Read some of my previous posts and maybe you will realize that the shroomery is driving away the people that it needs. I wish you all the best. I have learned so much here and because of you, my life has transformed into something great.

it's just time that we part.


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Re: Life-Altering DMT Breakthrough [Re: setb]
    #18840219 - 09/14/13 07:00 AM (10 years, 4 months ago)

Seems like he threw a bit of a tantrum.


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Re: Life-Altering DMT Breakthrough [Re: ressa69]
    #18840222 - 09/14/13 07:02 AM (10 years, 4 months ago)

Quote:

ressa69 said:
Yes lololll I am too stupid to notice trolls or realize that it keeps track of when I view log on. I get it. I get why we need those people on here.

Sure, my response was hypocritical, but I hit a breaking point. I just don't fit in here, plain and simple. I can't say I want to try elsewhere either.

but if I want to leave? Why post this? I bet you're loling even harder.

these experiences to me, are not for Lolz. Whether or not they are legitimate isn't even up for debate. I don't tell you that when you're father dies, that the pain you feel is imaginary, just neurotransmitters and things in you're brain making you sad. That it's all bullshit.

Read some of my previous posts and maybe you will realize that the shroomery is driving away the people that it needs. I wish you all the best. I have learned so much here and because of you, my life has transformed into something great.

it's just time that we part.




It just seems like you can't handle someone with a different point of view. Perhaps you need a little more learning is all :shrug:.


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Re: Life-Altering DMT Breakthrough [Re: ressa69]
    #18840225 - 09/14/13 07:03 AM (10 years, 4 months ago)

Did you ever realize that you can just ignore Joemolloy  or whoever you don't enjoy reading input from?

Same in real life, no need to spend brain resources processing negative input

There will be trolls everywhere, I just ignore whoever only posts negative stuff


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Re: Life-Altering DMT Breakthrough [Re: setb]
    #18840229 - 09/14/13 07:08 AM (10 years, 4 months ago)

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Read some of my previous posts and maybe you will realize that the shroomery is driving away the people that it needs




Funny, I was just talking about paradoxical ego inflation in this very thread :shrug:. These are important lessons.

The shroomery is not one person, it is and always has been a collection of minds working together and sharing information.


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Re: Life-Altering DMT Breakthrough [Re: setb]
    #18840235 - 09/14/13 07:12 AM (10 years, 4 months ago)

I love joemolly. Even if I'm not in 100% agreement with him...90% but not 100


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On the ground you lay, with your dogs you pray, at a neon hieroglyph sky you gaze

Hugging your mind, praying to survive, feeling the love of the hieroglyphs in the sky
We all need more love, and mainly less hate
Hate is the blind that covers the heart's eye
That makes the heart's eye cry
Locked deep away in the skies of our minds

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Re: Life-Altering DMT Breakthrough [Re: MagicalOrangutan]
    #18840250 - 09/14/13 07:27 AM (10 years, 4 months ago)

"No need to spend brain resources processing negative input" :cool: :thumbup:

Nice, mio


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Re: Life-Altering DMT Breakthrough [Re: Universaleyeni]
    #18840260 - 09/14/13 07:36 AM (10 years, 4 months ago)

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Re: Life-Altering DMT Breakthrough [Re: rikuni]
    #18840269 - 09/14/13 07:43 AM (10 years, 4 months ago)

Oh fuck all these "Joemolly" cock suckers.

WTF? I don't know/care who the fuck Joe Molly is. I think he's a prick for shitting on this thread. Do the mods care about this kind of stuff? I click on the title of the thread and I get a deleted post and some loud mouth dick head who apparently shit himself with psychedelics and now wants others to smell his ass. Hey Joe - if you're such a myth buster, then hang out in the conspiracy section. It's unfortunate that you fucked up so bad with psychedelics and now feel the need to derail a perfectly good thread with a "drive by" shit post.
OP- repost whatever you said and block Joemolly and his cock suckers. You fit in fine and there's plenty of people here who will find what you said interesting.


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Re: Life-Altering DMT Breakthrough [Re: Universe]
    #18840277 - 09/14/13 07:48 AM (10 years, 4 months ago)

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Re: Life-Altering DMT Breakthrough [Re: rikuni]
    #18840287 - 09/14/13 07:54 AM (10 years, 4 months ago)

Ok with smoked dmt, the lessons I learn on it don't *last* or stay with me very long. Same with the acid I've tried. with mescaline cactus..they do last. so far, that is.


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On the ground you lay, with your dogs you pray, at a neon hieroglyph sky you gaze

Hugging your mind, praying to survive, feeling the love of the hieroglyphs in the sky
We all need more love, and mainly less hate
Hate is the blind that covers the heart's eye
That makes the heart's eye cry
Locked deep away in the skies of our minds

It's all in the mind


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Re: Life-Altering DMT Breakthrough [Re: Universe]
    #18840288 - 09/14/13 07:55 AM (10 years, 4 months ago)

Quote:

Universe said:
Oh fuck all these "Joemolly" cock suckers.

WTF? I don't know/care who the fuck Joe Molly is. I think he's a prick for shitting on this thread. Do the mods care about this kind of stuff? I click on the title of the thread and I get a deleted post and some loud mouth dick head who apparently shit himself with psychedelics and now wants others to smell his ass. Hey Joe - if you're such a myth buster, then hang out in the conspiracy section. It's unfortunate that you fucked up so bad with psychedelics and now feel the need to derail a perfectly good thread with a "drive by" shit post.
OP- repost whatever you said and block Joemolly and his cock suckers. You fit in fine and there's plenty of people here who will find what you said interesting.




Joe provides much needed balance to the people who actually believe that aliens come down to talk to you on DMT and that humans actually evolved with the help of mushrooms. He's a realist, this is a good thing.

You're spreading a lot of negativity by the way  :hippie:.


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Re: Life-Altering DMT Breakthrough [Re: ressa69]
    #18840321 - 09/14/13 08:17 AM (10 years, 4 months ago)

No need to leave.  Just grow a thicker skin.  Joe goes off like that all the time.  Read and understand his viewpoint and maybe your own will come back to the middle, right where it belongs.

The long and short of what Joe so brutally tried to say to you is this:  There is nothing mystical, religion-related or educational in the DMT (or any other psychedelic) molecule.  None.  People who attribute magical, mystical, and profoundly divine power and insight to these experiences need a reality check once in a while.

So you got bitch-slapped by JoeMolloy's reality check.  Big deal. Stick around and contribute, ya big baby!  :lol:

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Re: Life-Altering DMT Breakthrough [Re: Nature Boy]
    #18840327 - 09/14/13 08:20 AM (10 years, 4 months ago)

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Re: Life-Altering DMT Breakthrough [Re: rikuni]
    #18840334 - 09/14/13 08:27 AM (10 years, 4 months ago)

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rikuni said:
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JoeMolloy's reality check.




I call it inability or also ACCESS DENIED by spirits :psychsplit:




I wouldn't say that at all. Joe went pretty damn deep into that rabbit hole to attain his current point of view :shrug:.


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Re: Life-Altering DMT Breakthrough [Re: setb]
    #18840350 - 09/14/13 08:35 AM (10 years, 4 months ago)



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Re: Life-Altering DMT Breakthrough [Re: ressa69]
    #18840367 - 09/14/13 08:43 AM (10 years, 4 months ago)

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Re: Life-Altering DMT Breakthrough [Re: ressa69]
    #18840617 - 09/14/13 10:30 AM (10 years, 4 months ago)



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Re: Life-Altering DMT Breakthrough [Re: Nature Boy]
    #18841220 - 09/14/13 02:14 PM (10 years, 4 months ago)

Quote:

Nature Boy said:
Quote:

ressa69 said:
http://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/18652347/page/1




Relevance???

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I think he's ego tripping a bit. Think skin and big ego are not a good combination.


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Re: Life-Altering DMT Breakthrough [Re: setb]
    #18841282 - 09/14/13 02:36 PM (10 years, 4 months ago)

Maybe so, but given the difficulties of being well and easily understood when communicating electronically, I thought I'd ask for clarification...

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Re: Life-Altering DMT Breakthrough [Re: setb]
    #18841886 - 09/14/13 06:19 PM (10 years, 4 months ago)

Quote:

setb said:
Quote:

Universe said:
Oh fuck all these "Joemolly" cock suckers.

WTF? I don't know/care who the fuck Joe Molly is. I think he's a prick for shitting on this thread. Do the mods care about this kind of stuff? I click on the title of the thread and I get a deleted post and some loud mouth dick head who apparently shit himself with psychedelics and now wants others to smell his ass. Hey Joe - if you're such a myth buster, then hang out in the conspiracy section. It's unfortunate that you fucked up so bad with psychedelics and now feel the need to derail a perfectly good thread with a "drive by" shit post.
OP- repost whatever you said and block Joemolly and his cock suckers. You fit in fine and there's plenty of people here who will find what you said interesting.




Joe provides much needed balance to the people who actually believe that aliens come down to talk to you on DMT and that humans actually evolved with the help of mushrooms. He's a realist, this is a good thing.

You're spreading a lot of negativity by the way  :hippie:.




Pssh who cares about ignorant details like reality?  Fuckin dreamers :stonedjerk:


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Re: Life-Altering DMT Breakthrough [Re: ClockCode]
    #18842055 - 09/14/13 06:55 PM (10 years, 4 months ago)

DMT is no more truth-revealing than any other experience. The profound alteration of perception can be a very valuable experience, but it's 100% true that there's no evidence suggesting that there's anything supernatural about it at all. DMT is a psychedelic drug, and the vividness and intensity of the visions it causes increases with dosage. All signs point to it being a chemical which alters your brain chemistry to cause hallucinations -- nothing more, nothing less.

Personally, I think that some posters (such as joemolloy) focus too much on the "nothing more" of that. Just because it's a drug-induced hallucination doesn't mean there's no value in the experience. Radical perspective shifts can bring home the mystery and significance of philosophical questions like the mind-body problem or the nature of self. It's just a chemical, sure, but that doesn't necessarily make it bullshit.

But anyway, it's always worth a laugh to see all the supposedly "spiritual" people with their grand insights about the ultimate nature of everything get butthurt over someone disagreeing with them on the internet. :lol:


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Re: Life-Altering DMT Breakthrough [Re: Universe]
    #18842125 - 09/14/13 07:16 PM (10 years, 4 months ago)

I sincerely apologize if I was offensive. I needed some time to cool down, because the one thing I do not tolerate in intolerance.


I don't know what Mr. Joe Troll was actually up to. I get why he needs to be here, but he crossed the line. There's something you need to understand about cluster headache patients. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cluster_headache

"experts have suggested that the disease may be the most painful condition known to medical science."

So here'e the deal guys. I have been fucked by this disease. I have tried everything and guess what works. Once weekly doses of DMT. Is there an alternative? Maybe, but I know this works for me, and I don't want anymore pain. Do I want to take DMT (or another psych) once a week? Fuck no! It takes some serious control to pull this off. This could be the case for the rest of my life for all I know. You know who helped me find relief? The shroomery! Jesus Christ I have nothing but love for you all and you shit on me! Yes, I am a little offended!

Does this fuck my brain?! YES!! Holy shit. I have serious HPPD, but I learn to enjoy it, because it beats the pain I could have otherwise. I will not deny that chronic use of psychs changes your biology.

I posted that previous thread to show that I agree with all of you! I too am a skeptic in rational terms. It is much more complicated than that and we all know it. During my breakthrough, I believed that I saw a deity/monolith creature. there is indeed no doubt in my mind what I saw. I experienced that cosmic presence. When I came back to I knew better, but it was awesome! That's why we are here!

But WHY is that presence there? I am a rational, science loving man and I say that it is a matter of biology.



Here is a scenario where people behave like Joe Asshole:

Bob: "Hey Jim, Thanks for mowing my lawn yesterday. I was in the hospital because I had a stroke and my family thought I was on my deathbed. You must be a really great guy"

Jim: "Fuck you man. Since the big bang, every event in physics was already laid out. One event inevitably led to another. You couldn't help that you were born into a lower income family that couldn't afford health insurance and blood pressure medication. That's why you had a stroke. I was born into money and I haven't had to work a day in my life. By helping you, that means that I get free hotdogs on tailgate weekend because I mowed your lawn. If you think for a second that I really decided to do anything out of the goodness of my heart, you're out of your mind!"

Look guys - My Job is science, but my passion is the human experience. What this community doesn't seem to convey is the emotion, the beauty, the empathy, and the passion that we feel when we take psychedelic drugs.

I fucking love a good argument, but telling someone simply that "You are wrong" or "you have a big ego". Isn't that utterly hypocritical? By saying that someone has an "ego problem" are you not just insulting them and placing your own person above theirs? This is what this forum seems to encourage. We look at the number of posts, the rating, and what it really comes down to is who agrees with the status quo. Well right now, it's the skeptics that have control. Maybe it's a guise for something else, but it almost looks like this culture has taken psychs and turned them into drugs of abuse.

I don't know about you guys, but I need help making sense of shit. It's confusing and the easy way out is to say that it's all bullshit.


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Re: Life-Altering DMT Breakthrough [Re: ressa69]
    #18842137 - 09/14/13 07:20 PM (10 years, 4 months ago)

I just don't like how certain either party is of their convictions.


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    #18842283 - 09/14/13 08:05 PM (10 years, 4 months ago)

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I don't know about you guys, but I need help making sense of shit. It's confusing and the easy way out is to say that it's all bullshit.




I kind of agree with you there. It is easier to just say you were just really fucked up and nothing more than that happened. The drug makes us feel like something more interesting is going on, but none of us are going to be able to produce any evidence or theory that would gain widespread scientific acceptance. Until these drugs are legal to research, or until MAPS makes some breakthrough discovery it's just going to be the word of us lonely, gullible psychonaughts against the skeptics like JoeMolloy. All I have is the old story of how I ate mushrooms last night in my basement and got to learn the truth about the universe. It may not be a very compelling argument, but all I know is what it felt like to me.

I do believe one day science will understand what is really going on when we take psychedelics.  A lot of the newer quantum physics theories suggest that consciousness actually does effect the physical world, and that the observer is a significant concept. Just check out this video.



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    #18842491 - 09/14/13 09:07 PM (10 years, 4 months ago)

If you have cluster headaches and are seeking relief from non-pharmaceutical drugs, the drug for YOU is psilocybin, not DMT.  You should be eating sub-threshold doses of mushrooms - about .75 - 1.0 gram dry once a week.

Cheaper and easier to obtain (grow 'em yourself!), fewer side effects, no stoning feeling, and excellent therapeutic response in a large majority of cases.

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    #18842509 - 09/14/13 09:13 PM (10 years, 4 months ago)

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I just don't like how certain either party is of their convictions.




Yes, I am not certain at all of my convictions. It is certainty that leads to stagnancy that leads to intolerance that leads to being an ass. Perhaps I come off as having a large ego, but that is not the case. Have some confidence that you have a brain as capable as anyone else's. That your personal truth lies in there somewhere. That the struggle you experience in finding that truth justifies tolerance when you see someone going through the same thing, you do not insult them. You help them.

In the end, one cannot look at the belief itself, but the utility in such a belief. I am not a member of the christian church, but I have seen the joy that jesus can bring to others and it is no different than the feeling I get when I am alone in the woods, watching the sun set.

I do not see too many people questioning "LAPTOPS?!? HOW DO THEY WORK?!?" even though it is likely that not a single person here could actually make one if they were stranded in the forest. Indeed, not a single person in the world could make a laptop if they were stranded in the forest.

Yet here we are saying, "DMT?! How does it work!?!?". We know that it produces a predictable response in people. We have established dose ranges, the nature of elven enitites, various consistencies. Given our rational belief that this is NOT magic and a consequence of biology, is this not significant? What we have done here approaches something measurable by science in one way or another. We have administered the SAME chemical to UNIQUE people and gotten a consistent result; one that looks like a religious experience. HOLY SHIT!?

I am a musician first and all else later. I need a release. Everyone needs a release. There is no harm in suspending disbelief and being the helpless fodder of some gargantuan alien mantis fucking your brain for five minutes. It's heathly.


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    #18842528 - 09/14/13 09:17 PM (10 years, 4 months ago)

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If you have cluster headaches and are seeking relief from non-pharmaceutical drugs, the drug for YOU is psilocybin, not DMT.  You should be eating sub-threshold doses of mushrooms - about .75 - 1.0 gram dry once a week.

Cheaper and easier to obtain (grow 'em yourself!), fewer side effects, no stoning feeling, and excellent therapeutic response in a large majority of cases.

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I did that first, and it only provided seasonal relief. The issue was one of tolerance. I was getting hits post dose and they wouldn't work three times a week. I have been here in the shadows for awhile. Each headache patient is different, and practically speaking, isn't a five minute commitment more reasonable than a 4-6 hour ordeal. Especially for the working man. It's once a week before bed and I'm good to go vs. Nausea, heartache, and confusion for 6 hours. Making time on every saturday. Saying: "Sorry bra gotta dose tonight, I can't chill and drink with you guys, I'll end up in the bathroom begging god to make it stop."


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Re: Life-Altering DMT Breakthrough [Re: ressa69]
    #18842637 - 09/14/13 09:51 PM (10 years, 4 months ago)

My reality check is anything that fits my experience

Doesn't work all the time, but works pretty well
Things being physical, logical or light working etc. is a bad reality check, doesn't work very often

I think buddha once said, only believe what fits own experience

Would be cool if someone claiming to know what is the absolute reality could tell me a reliable reality check :-)

Would help my lucid dreams a lot

Real is just a trigger in the brain... and there is no absolute reality, we each make our own

The most reliable I've found is to question how I got here, and if what I see fits my experience / is logical

Doesn't work with salvia or lucid dreams too often though, seems I have a history there
and seems they feel as real/more real than this reality often (lucid dreams feel more real often)

Being a realist is closed minded, you reject any other experiences than your own

What is more real? thoughts/experiences/scientifically proven stuff?
your experiences vs anybody elses experiences?  , I'd say I'm eager to hear any experience without shooting them down right away...

Thoughts are pretty unreal... no more real than experiences, we can never trust our senses
what we see and what we think lie to us all the time (ego i.e.).

Science doesn't know it all yet, I chose to let no ideas out, but only believe what fits own experience.

The most we can hope to know is that we know very little about anything, but we can still learn from experience

Any experience is worth learning from
'reality', Near death experience, lucid dreams, dreams, psychedelics, spiritual experiences etc.
There is something to be learned from each, doesn't matter if the experience is drug induced if you fit it to your experience


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    #18842659 - 09/14/13 09:58 PM (10 years, 4 months ago)

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My reality check is anything that fits my experience

Doesn't work all the time, but works pretty well
Things being physical, logical or light working etc. is a bad reality check, doesn't work very often

I think buddha once said, only believe what fits own experience

Would be cool if someone claiming to know what is the absolute reality could tell me a reliable reality check :-)

Would help my lucid dreams a lot

Real is just a trigger in the brain... and there is no absolute reality, we each make our own

The most reliable I've found is to question how I got here, and if what I see fits my experience / is logical

Doesn't work with salvia or lucid dreams too often though, seems I have a history there
and seems they feel as real/more real than this reality often (lucid dreams feel more real often)

Being a realist is closed minded, you reject any other experiences than your own

What is more real? thoughts/experiences/scientifically proven stuff?
your experiences vs anybody elses experiences?  , I'd say I'm eager to hear any experience without shooting them down right away...

Thoughts are pretty unreal... no more real than experiences, we can never trust our senses
what we see and what we think lie to us all the time (ego i.e.).

Science doesn't know it all yet, I chose to let no ideas out, but only believe what fits own experience.

The most we can hope to know is that we know nothing about anything, but we can still learn from experience

Any experience is worth learning from
'reality', Near death experience, lucid dreams, dreams, psychedelics, spiritual experiences etc.
There is something to be learned from each, doesn't matter if the experience is drug induced if you fit it to your experience




It sounds pretty egotistical when you say your reality is what's real (Or that anyone's own experience is the true experience). Disregarding the fact that there are things outside of your experience that will not change simply because of you and your ideas, saying that being a realist is close minded is pretty ridiculous, as the strive to find what is true and real is a legitimate strive in a world full of superstitions, limitations, and lies. There is structure to everything, there is a "design" to the universe, that can be understood. That is what is real, and simply because our minds interpret things differently doesn't change that.
I believe that people should adapt to their minds and personal goals/visions, but I don't like the way you said all of that, realists are not always depressing :P


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    #18842691 - 09/14/13 10:14 PM (10 years, 4 months ago)

The realist way of shooting down other people's experiences, that is depressing sometimes

Or the atheist way of shooting down theist beliefs , vice versa :-)

There are open minded realists, but sometimes they come off as the opposite, not  always though

It's important to keep an open mind no matter what you are
open minded doesn't mean you should believe in nonsense, but that you shouldn't reject any idea right away

Aliens are real? dunno, never seen them , probably likely due to the size of space
God is real? never experienced him but don't discount the possibility in another reference frame

never heard a realist say that ;P

dunno what I am, probably not a realist
when you don't discount any possibilities what are you then?

I like both direct experience and the scientific method(theory+verification), don't think we can ever describe the universe with logic/science fully (science is about learning from nature and describing it)


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    #18843322 - 09/15/13 03:44 AM (10 years, 4 months ago)

what started off as an angry thread is now getting very interesting and philosophical, up to the point where it seems to be coming to an end...

bottom line: we are all different balls of consciousness trying to figure out what "reality" is...anybody who claims that something is "true" or "false" cannot be taken seriously. the truth is nobody knows what "reality" is. that's what's so great about being human: the mystery of the universe and the experiences we have. we collectively share in it all

psychedelics throw us into "reality" and cause us to question it. as beings of consciousness, we cannot help but try to make sense of it all. you will either be really confused, you will learn nothing, you may feel you are on the verge of figuring it out, and when you feel like you've figured it all out...you can't say for certain because it's all subjective and you cannot prove it.

i forget the saying but it goes something like this: "the first step to knowledge is to know that we don't know."

now quantum physics is a whole other story...i just know the basics of it but it's FUCKING fascinating, cutting-edge shit full of theories that may continue to open up more possibilities to what reality REALLY is. we know nothing! be humble.

i have a hard time being humble regarding god, aliens and shit, because i've had very real alien encounters and mystical experiences...sober or not...but like i said, it's all subjective so i don't try to put my belief system into someone else's. just listen to each other. take what you want, and leave what you don't care for or believe. it's that simple. if you want to engage in a respectful philosophical argument, then by all means, proceed.

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Re: Life-Altering DMT Breakthrough [Re: Thisfire]
    #18843325 - 09/15/13 03:45 AM (10 years, 4 months ago)

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Quote:

mio said:
My reality check is anything that fits my experience

Doesn't work all the time, but works pretty well
Things being physical, logical or light working etc. is a bad reality check, doesn't work very often

I think buddha once said, only believe what fits own experience

Would be cool if someone claiming to know what is the absolute reality could tell me a reliable reality check :-)

Would help my lucid dreams a lot

Real is just a trigger in the brain... and there is no absolute reality, we each make our own

The most reliable I've found is to question how I got here, and if what I see fits my experience / is logical

Doesn't work with salvia or lucid dreams too often though, seems I have a history there
and seems they feel as real/more real than this reality often (lucid dreams feel more real often)

Being a realist is closed minded, you reject any other experiences than your own

What is more real? thoughts/experiences/scientifically proven stuff?
your experiences vs anybody elses experiences?  , I'd say I'm eager to hear any experience without shooting them down right away...

Thoughts are pretty unreal... no more real than experiences, we can never trust our senses
what we see and what we think lie to us all the time (ego i.e.).

Science doesn't know it all yet, I chose to let no ideas out, but only believe what fits own experience.

The most we can hope to know is that we know nothing about anything, but we can still learn from experience

Any experience is worth learning from
'reality', Near death experience, lucid dreams, dreams, psychedelics, spiritual experiences etc.
There is something to be learned from each, doesn't matter if the experience is drug induced if you fit it to your experience




It sounds pretty egotistical when you say your reality is what's real (Or that anyone's own experience is the true experience). Disregarding the fact that there are things outside of your experience that will not change simply because of you and your ideas, saying that being a realist is close minded is pretty ridiculous, as the strive to find what is true and real is a legitimate strive in a world full of superstitions, limitations, and lies. There is structure to everything, there is a "design" to the universe, that can be understood. That is what is real, and simply because our minds interpret things differently doesn't change that.
I believe that people should adapt to their minds and personal goals/visions, but I don't like the way you said all of that, realists are not always depressing :P




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    #18843370 - 09/15/13 04:19 AM (10 years, 4 months ago)

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    #18843488 - 09/15/13 06:22 AM (10 years, 4 months ago)

Ok...I see.

And DMT does it for you?  Huh...That would be an interesting case report for the literature.  How much do you trust your neurologist and/or current treating physicians?

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Re: Life-Altering DMT Breakthrough [Re: Nature Boy]
    #18843671 - 09/15/13 08:23 AM (10 years, 4 months ago)

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Ok...I see.

And DMT does it for you?  Huh...That would be an interesting case report for the literature.  How much do you trust your neurologist and/or current treating physicians?

N.B.




Over at clusterbusters, they have figured out that pretty much any 5-ht2a receptor agonist can be effective at treating cluster headaches. Because their goal is to treat the disorder with a minimal psychoactive effect, DMT seems rather out of the question for most. One very reputable user on that forum has used DMT, but for him, it was only a good abortive treatment and a poor prophylactic. For me, the mushrooms helped, but they were not my silver bullet.

David Nichol's son, Charles Nichols is about to publish a paper on the in vivo (in animals, not a petri dish) anti-inflammatory effects of DOI. Believe it or not, DOI seems to have anti-inflammatory properties on several orders of magnitude greater than LSD. And it is not scheduled! Wooo! This means that a sub-threshold dose may have more therapuetic potential than a sub-threshold dose of LSD or Psilocybin. Since primary headaches are a type of inflammation, it is conceivable that he is inadvertently finding a mechanism for how hallucinogens help treat headaches. Until the paper is published, we cannot know whether or not he addresses questions about long term changes in protein expression that may account for their use as a prophylactic. The biggest downside to DOI is the very long half-life. I am not a fan of taking something that stays active for more than 12 hours at a time. Maybe a low dose wouldn't hurt too much? I haven't bothered with the DOx series for this reason. If the evidence is there after Dr. Nichols gets his paper out, then I might have to give it a go. A few ug of DOI once every few weeks may be worth it for the benefits.

And I would rather not bother my doctor with it. He seems like the type that would think they are just mad ravings. Then he would give me more imitrex injections...


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    #18843880 - 09/15/13 09:46 AM (10 years, 4 months ago)

The main difference between this reality and all of the others is that this is the one reality that holds us accountable. This is the one we return to after we visit the others, and it remembers what was going on. The other realities forgive and forget, this one keeps tabs. The others let you leave and then they reset as if nothing happened. This one never resets and you keep returning to it until you die.


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    #18844045 - 09/15/13 10:44 AM (10 years, 4 months ago)

sounds strange but true in a sense..thats where hell comes in.


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    #18844200 - 09/15/13 11:27 AM (10 years, 4 months ago)

Don't sell your neurologist so short.  You think he is entirely unaware of what you ALSO know???  Not a chance.  I don't even practice in that area and >>I<< know about it.  :thumbup:

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    #18844651 - 09/15/13 01:52 PM (10 years, 4 months ago)

what does that even mean?


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    #18844786 - 09/15/13 02:30 PM (10 years, 4 months ago)

It means that physicians are well aware of the utility of many psychedelic compounds in the treatment of recalcitrant migraine headaches...but are precluded from discussing the treatment with their patients over legal/ethical concerns.

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    #18844826 - 09/15/13 02:41 PM (10 years, 4 months ago)

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    #18844830 - 09/15/13 02:42 PM (10 years, 4 months ago)

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It means that physicians are well aware of the utility of many psychedelic compounds in the treatment of recalcitrant migraine headaches...but are precluded from discussing the treatment with their patients over legal/ethical concerns.

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I'm sure that's true for some doctors, but not mine. My doctor loves talking about drugs. He's a big cannabis supporter and the last time I was there we talked about mushrooms. He knows all about the research into psilocybin and migraines, in fact he started telling me about it as if I didn't already know. His attitude is - if it works, then it can't be that bad and if it was legal he'd prescribe it.
My state has legalized medicinal marijuana and my wife suffers migraines. He'd prescribe it but unfortunately migraine is not on the list of the things allow it, yet. He's a great doctor and I'm pretty sure he's not at all concerned about anything legal or ethical when it comes to discussing ailments and treatments, legal or not. It's great because I know I can be totally honest with him.


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    #18844867 - 09/15/13 02:49 PM (10 years, 4 months ago)

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sounds cool bro I would like to have a doc like that.




A lot of people would. He's the most popular doctor in his practice. My wife just called to schedule her annual physical exam and he's booked for 2 months. All the other doctors in the group are rude, clueless twats with open schedules. I don't even want to go if I can't get him.


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    #18844875 - 09/15/13 02:50 PM (10 years, 4 months ago)

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It means that physicians are well aware of the utility of many psychedelic compounds in the treatment of recalcitrant migraine headaches...but are precluded from discussing the treatment with their patients over legal/ethical concerns.

N.B.




Many are likely skeptical of the efficacy, thanks to the people touting the "medicinal" properties of marijuana. (not that there isn't, but how many people use that as an excuse to get high? Just say you want to get high. That's as good a reason as any). It's quite an ethical dilemma. Patients ought to be allowed access to the best medicine available, but at the very least they have to go through clinical trials and receive FDA approval, just like any other drug. There's no way around that, even if 30,000 years of human use isn't enough to justify their safety. Ideally we would want a treatment that exploits some of the pharmacology of psychedelics without actually being psychedelic. How would one do this? I have no clue.

And I do not have the balls to talk to my doctor quite yet. He may not want his name on a case study like that.


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    #18850804 - 09/16/13 07:17 PM (10 years, 4 months ago)

FDA approves stuff they know will harm you.. Because it takes sick people to keep them in business..


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    #19144445 - 11/16/13 07:44 AM (10 years, 2 months ago)

Dear Joe,

You were right. Do not stop kicking ass and taking names. I feel that I can go forward and live a productive life and treat these substances for what they are: Drugs.

DMT is like crack for smart people.

In conclusion,
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    #19144740 - 11/16/13 10:21 AM (10 years, 2 months ago)

it is only possible to be oneself without drugs/stress/pills

trying to figure it all out will just result in endless loop of the brain :wink:

but why would we need to know it all anyway, cant we just accept?

change oneself, change the world

must be nice to know oneself...
wouldnt seek for anything else

I believe they can be used for consciousness expansion, if ready
like many meditation forms can..
such lessons can be priceless

but only if the student really learns, then there wouldnt be a need for the teacher anymore

btw my Doc practices meditation too, as the only doc Ive met :-) , he is pretty cool and grounded
turn off all those excessive thoughts...


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