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lessismore
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Re: Life-Altering DMT Breakthrough [Re: ressa69]
#18842637 - 09/14/13 09:51 PM (10 years, 4 months ago) |
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My reality check is anything that fits my experience
Doesn't work all the time, but works pretty well Things being physical, logical or light working etc. is a bad reality check, doesn't work very often
I think buddha once said, only believe what fits own experience
Would be cool if someone claiming to know what is the absolute reality could tell me a reliable reality check :-)
Would help my lucid dreams a lot
Real is just a trigger in the brain... and there is no absolute reality, we each make our own
The most reliable I've found is to question how I got here, and if what I see fits my experience / is logical
Doesn't work with salvia or lucid dreams too often though, seems I have a history there and seems they feel as real/more real than this reality often (lucid dreams feel more real often)
Being a realist is closed minded, you reject any other experiences than your own
What is more real? thoughts/experiences/scientifically proven stuff? your experiences vs anybody elses experiences? , I'd say I'm eager to hear any experience without shooting them down right away...
Thoughts are pretty unreal... no more real than experiences, we can never trust our senses what we see and what we think lie to us all the time (ego i.e.).
Science doesn't know it all yet, I chose to let no ideas out, but only believe what fits own experience.
The most we can hope to know is that we know very little about anything, but we can still learn from experience
Any experience is worth learning from 'reality', Near death experience, lucid dreams, dreams, psychedelics, spiritual experiences etc. There is something to be learned from each, doesn't matter if the experience is drug induced if you fit it to your experience
Edited by lessismore (09/14/13 10:07 PM)
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Re: Life-Altering DMT Breakthrough [Re: lessismore]
#18842659 - 09/14/13 09:58 PM (10 years, 4 months ago) |
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mio said: My reality check is anything that fits my experience
Doesn't work all the time, but works pretty well Things being physical, logical or light working etc. is a bad reality check, doesn't work very often
I think buddha once said, only believe what fits own experience
Would be cool if someone claiming to know what is the absolute reality could tell me a reliable reality check :-)
Would help my lucid dreams a lot
Real is just a trigger in the brain... and there is no absolute reality, we each make our own
The most reliable I've found is to question how I got here, and if what I see fits my experience / is logical
Doesn't work with salvia or lucid dreams too often though, seems I have a history there and seems they feel as real/more real than this reality often (lucid dreams feel more real often)
Being a realist is closed minded, you reject any other experiences than your own
What is more real? thoughts/experiences/scientifically proven stuff? your experiences vs anybody elses experiences? , I'd say I'm eager to hear any experience without shooting them down right away...
Thoughts are pretty unreal... no more real than experiences, we can never trust our senses what we see and what we think lie to us all the time (ego i.e.).
Science doesn't know it all yet, I chose to let no ideas out, but only believe what fits own experience.
The most we can hope to know is that we know nothing about anything, but we can still learn from experience
Any experience is worth learning from 'reality', Near death experience, lucid dreams, dreams, psychedelics, spiritual experiences etc. There is something to be learned from each, doesn't matter if the experience is drug induced if you fit it to your experience
It sounds pretty egotistical when you say your reality is what's real (Or that anyone's own experience is the true experience). Disregarding the fact that there are things outside of your experience that will not change simply because of you and your ideas, saying that being a realist is close minded is pretty ridiculous, as the strive to find what is true and real is a legitimate strive in a world full of superstitions, limitations, and lies. There is structure to everything, there is a "design" to the universe, that can be understood. That is what is real, and simply because our minds interpret things differently doesn't change that. I believe that people should adapt to their minds and personal goals/visions, but I don't like the way you said all of that, realists are not always depressing :P
Edited by Thisfire (09/14/13 10:00 PM)
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lessismore
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Re: Life-Altering DMT Breakthrough [Re: Thisfire]
#18842691 - 09/14/13 10:14 PM (10 years, 4 months ago) |
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The realist way of shooting down other people's experiences, that is depressing sometimes
Or the atheist way of shooting down theist beliefs , vice versa :-)
There are open minded realists, but sometimes they come off as the opposite, not always though
It's important to keep an open mind no matter what you are open minded doesn't mean you should believe in nonsense, but that you shouldn't reject any idea right away
Aliens are real? dunno, never seen them , probably likely due to the size of space God is real? never experienced him but don't discount the possibility in another reference frame
never heard a realist say that ;P
dunno what I am, probably not a realist when you don't discount any possibilities what are you then?
I like both direct experience and the scientific method(theory+verification), don't think we can ever describe the universe with logic/science fully (science is about learning from nature and describing it)
Edited by lessismore (09/14/13 10:21 PM)
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Re: Life-Altering DMT Breakthrough [Re: lessismore]
#18843322 - 09/15/13 03:44 AM (10 years, 4 months ago) |
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what started off as an angry thread is now getting very interesting and philosophical, up to the point where it seems to be coming to an end...
bottom line: we are all different balls of consciousness trying to figure out what "reality" is...anybody who claims that something is "true" or "false" cannot be taken seriously. the truth is nobody knows what "reality" is. that's what's so great about being human: the mystery of the universe and the experiences we have. we collectively share in it all
psychedelics throw us into "reality" and cause us to question it. as beings of consciousness, we cannot help but try to make sense of it all. you will either be really confused, you will learn nothing, you may feel you are on the verge of figuring it out, and when you feel like you've figured it all out...you can't say for certain because it's all subjective and you cannot prove it.
i forget the saying but it goes something like this: "the first step to knowledge is to know that we don't know."
now quantum physics is a whole other story...i just know the basics of it but it's FUCKING fascinating, cutting-edge shit full of theories that may continue to open up more possibilities to what reality REALLY is. we know nothing! be humble.
i have a hard time being humble regarding god, aliens and shit, because i've had very real alien encounters and mystical experiences...sober or not...but like i said, it's all subjective so i don't try to put my belief system into someone else's. just listen to each other. take what you want, and leave what you don't care for or believe. it's that simple. if you want to engage in a respectful philosophical argument, then by all means, proceed.
cheers (;
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Re: Life-Altering DMT Breakthrough [Re: Thisfire]
#18843325 - 09/15/13 03:45 AM (10 years, 4 months ago) |
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Thisfire said:
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mio said: My reality check is anything that fits my experience
Doesn't work all the time, but works pretty well Things being physical, logical or light working etc. is a bad reality check, doesn't work very often
I think buddha once said, only believe what fits own experience
Would be cool if someone claiming to know what is the absolute reality could tell me a reliable reality check :-)
Would help my lucid dreams a lot
Real is just a trigger in the brain... and there is no absolute reality, we each make our own
The most reliable I've found is to question how I got here, and if what I see fits my experience / is logical
Doesn't work with salvia or lucid dreams too often though, seems I have a history there and seems they feel as real/more real than this reality often (lucid dreams feel more real often)
Being a realist is closed minded, you reject any other experiences than your own
What is more real? thoughts/experiences/scientifically proven stuff? your experiences vs anybody elses experiences? , I'd say I'm eager to hear any experience without shooting them down right away...
Thoughts are pretty unreal... no more real than experiences, we can never trust our senses what we see and what we think lie to us all the time (ego i.e.).
Science doesn't know it all yet, I chose to let no ideas out, but only believe what fits own experience.
The most we can hope to know is that we know nothing about anything, but we can still learn from experience
Any experience is worth learning from 'reality', Near death experience, lucid dreams, dreams, psychedelics, spiritual experiences etc. There is something to be learned from each, doesn't matter if the experience is drug induced if you fit it to your experience
It sounds pretty egotistical when you say your reality is what's real (Or that anyone's own experience is the true experience). Disregarding the fact that there are things outside of your experience that will not change simply because of you and your ideas, saying that being a realist is close minded is pretty ridiculous, as the strive to find what is true and real is a legitimate strive in a world full of superstitions, limitations, and lies. There is structure to everything, there is a "design" to the universe, that can be understood. That is what is real, and simply because our minds interpret things differently doesn't change that. I believe that people should adapt to their minds and personal goals/visions, but I don't like the way you said all of that, realists are not always depressing :P
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Re: Life-Altering DMT Breakthrough [Re: ClockCode]
#18843370 - 09/15/13 04:19 AM (10 years, 4 months ago) |
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Re: Life-Altering DMT Breakthrough [Re: rikuni]
#18843488 - 09/15/13 06:22 AM (10 years, 4 months ago) |
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Ok...I see.
And DMT does it for you? Huh...That would be an interesting case report for the literature. How much do you trust your neurologist and/or current treating physicians?
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Re: Life-Altering DMT Breakthrough [Re: Nature Boy]
#18843671 - 09/15/13 08:23 AM (10 years, 4 months ago) |
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Nature Boy said: Ok...I see.
And DMT does it for you? Huh...That would be an interesting case report for the literature. How much do you trust your neurologist and/or current treating physicians?
N.B.
Over at clusterbusters, they have figured out that pretty much any 5-ht2a receptor agonist can be effective at treating cluster headaches. Because their goal is to treat the disorder with a minimal psychoactive effect, DMT seems rather out of the question for most. One very reputable user on that forum has used DMT, but for him, it was only a good abortive treatment and a poor prophylactic. For me, the mushrooms helped, but they were not my silver bullet.
David Nichol's son, Charles Nichols is about to publish a paper on the in vivo (in animals, not a petri dish) anti-inflammatory effects of DOI. Believe it or not, DOI seems to have anti-inflammatory properties on several orders of magnitude greater than LSD. And it is not scheduled! Wooo! This means that a sub-threshold dose may have more therapuetic potential than a sub-threshold dose of LSD or Psilocybin. Since primary headaches are a type of inflammation, it is conceivable that he is inadvertently finding a mechanism for how hallucinogens help treat headaches. Until the paper is published, we cannot know whether or not he addresses questions about long term changes in protein expression that may account for their use as a prophylactic. The biggest downside to DOI is the very long half-life. I am not a fan of taking something that stays active for more than 12 hours at a time. Maybe a low dose wouldn't hurt too much? I haven't bothered with the DOx series for this reason. If the evidence is there after Dr. Nichols gets his paper out, then I might have to give it a go. A few ug of DOI once every few weeks may be worth it for the benefits.
And I would rather not bother my doctor with it. He seems like the type that would think they are just mad ravings. Then he would give me more imitrex injections...
Edited by ressa69 (09/15/13 08:27 AM)
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Re: Life-Altering DMT Breakthrough [Re: ressa69]
#18843880 - 09/15/13 09:46 AM (10 years, 4 months ago) |
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The main difference between this reality and all of the others is that this is the one reality that holds us accountable. This is the one we return to after we visit the others, and it remembers what was going on. The other realities forgive and forget, this one keeps tabs. The others let you leave and then they reset as if nothing happened. This one never resets and you keep returning to it until you die.
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Re: Life-Altering DMT Breakthrough [Re: Universe]
#18844045 - 09/15/13 10:44 AM (10 years, 4 months ago) |
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sounds strange but true in a sense..thats where hell comes in.
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Re: Life-Altering DMT Breakthrough [Re: ressa69]
#18844200 - 09/15/13 11:27 AM (10 years, 4 months ago) |
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Don't sell your neurologist so short. You think he is entirely unaware of what you ALSO know??? Not a chance. I don't even practice in that area and >>I<< know about it. 
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Re: Life-Altering DMT Breakthrough [Re: Nature Boy]
#18844651 - 09/15/13 01:52 PM (10 years, 4 months ago) |
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what does that even mean?
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Re: Life-Altering DMT Breakthrough [Re: Deathcore]
#18844786 - 09/15/13 02:30 PM (10 years, 4 months ago) |
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It means that physicians are well aware of the utility of many psychedelic compounds in the treatment of recalcitrant migraine headaches...but are precluded from discussing the treatment with their patients over legal/ethical concerns.
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Re: Life-Altering DMT Breakthrough [Re: Nature Boy]
#18844826 - 09/15/13 02:41 PM (10 years, 4 months ago) |
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Re: Life-Altering DMT Breakthrough [Re: Nature Boy]
#18844830 - 09/15/13 02:42 PM (10 years, 4 months ago) |
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Nature Boy said: It means that physicians are well aware of the utility of many psychedelic compounds in the treatment of recalcitrant migraine headaches...but are precluded from discussing the treatment with their patients over legal/ethical concerns.
N.B.
I'm sure that's true for some doctors, but not mine. My doctor loves talking about drugs. He's a big cannabis supporter and the last time I was there we talked about mushrooms. He knows all about the research into psilocybin and migraines, in fact he started telling me about it as if I didn't already know. His attitude is - if it works, then it can't be that bad and if it was legal he'd prescribe it. My state has legalized medicinal marijuana and my wife suffers migraines. He'd prescribe it but unfortunately migraine is not on the list of the things allow it, yet. He's a great doctor and I'm pretty sure he's not at all concerned about anything legal or ethical when it comes to discussing ailments and treatments, legal or not. It's great because I know I can be totally honest with him.
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Re: Life-Altering DMT Breakthrough [Re: Universe]
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Re: Life-Altering DMT Breakthrough [Re: rikuni]
#18844867 - 09/15/13 02:49 PM (10 years, 4 months ago) |
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sounds cool bro I would like to have a doc like that.
A lot of people would. He's the most popular doctor in his practice. My wife just called to schedule her annual physical exam and he's booked for 2 months. All the other doctors in the group are rude, clueless twats with open schedules. I don't even want to go if I can't get him.
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Re: Life-Altering DMT Breakthrough [Re: Nature Boy]
#18844875 - 09/15/13 02:50 PM (10 years, 4 months ago) |
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Nature Boy said: It means that physicians are well aware of the utility of many psychedelic compounds in the treatment of recalcitrant migraine headaches...but are precluded from discussing the treatment with their patients over legal/ethical concerns.
N.B.
Many are likely skeptical of the efficacy, thanks to the people touting the "medicinal" properties of marijuana. (not that there isn't, but how many people use that as an excuse to get high? Just say you want to get high. That's as good a reason as any). It's quite an ethical dilemma. Patients ought to be allowed access to the best medicine available, but at the very least they have to go through clinical trials and receive FDA approval, just like any other drug. There's no way around that, even if 30,000 years of human use isn't enough to justify their safety. Ideally we would want a treatment that exploits some of the pharmacology of psychedelics without actually being psychedelic. How would one do this? I have no clue.
And I do not have the balls to talk to my doctor quite yet. He may not want his name on a case study like that.
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Re: Life-Altering DMT Breakthrough [Re: ressa69]
#18850804 - 09/16/13 07:17 PM (10 years, 4 months ago) |
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FDA approves stuff they know will harm you.. Because it takes sick people to keep them in business..
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Re: Life-Altering DMT Breakthrough [Re: Deathcore]
#19144445 - 11/16/13 07:44 AM (10 years, 2 months ago) |
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Dear Joe,
You were right. Do not stop kicking ass and taking names. I feel that I can go forward and live a productive life and treat these substances for what they are: Drugs.
DMT is like crack for smart people.
In conclusion, Go fuck yourself.
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