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Universe
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Re: Life-Altering DMT Breakthrough [Re: rikuni]
#18840269 - 09/14/13 07:43 AM (10 years, 4 months ago) |
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Oh fuck all these "Joemolly" cock suckers.
WTF? I don't know/care who the fuck Joe Molly is. I think he's a prick for shitting on this thread. Do the mods care about this kind of stuff? I click on the title of the thread and I get a deleted post and some loud mouth dick head who apparently shit himself with psychedelics and now wants others to smell his ass. Hey Joe - if you're such a myth buster, then hang out in the conspiracy section. It's unfortunate that you fucked up so bad with psychedelics and now feel the need to derail a perfectly good thread with a "drive by" shit post. OP- repost whatever you said and block Joemolly and his cock suckers. You fit in fine and there's plenty of people here who will find what you said interesting.
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rikuni

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Re: Life-Altering DMT Breakthrough [Re: Universe]
#18840277 - 09/14/13 07:48 AM (10 years, 4 months ago) |
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MagicalOrangutan
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Re: Life-Altering DMT Breakthrough [Re: rikuni]
#18840287 - 09/14/13 07:54 AM (10 years, 4 months ago) |
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Ok with smoked dmt, the lessons I learn on it don't *last* or stay with me very long. Same with the acid I've tried. with mescaline cactus..they do last. so far, that is.
-------------------- On the ground you lay, with your dogs you pray, at a neon hieroglyph sky you gaze Hugging your mind, praying to survive, feeling the love of the hieroglyphs in the sky We all need more love, and mainly less hate Hate is the blind that covers the heart's eye That makes the heart's eye cry Locked deep away in the skies of our minds It's all in the mind
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setb
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Re: Life-Altering DMT Breakthrough [Re: Universe]
#18840288 - 09/14/13 07:55 AM (10 years, 4 months ago) |
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Universe said: Oh fuck all these "Joemolly" cock suckers.
WTF? I don't know/care who the fuck Joe Molly is. I think he's a prick for shitting on this thread. Do the mods care about this kind of stuff? I click on the title of the thread and I get a deleted post and some loud mouth dick head who apparently shit himself with psychedelics and now wants others to smell his ass. Hey Joe - if you're such a myth buster, then hang out in the conspiracy section. It's unfortunate that you fucked up so bad with psychedelics and now feel the need to derail a perfectly good thread with a "drive by" shit post. OP- repost whatever you said and block Joemolly and his cock suckers. You fit in fine and there's plenty of people here who will find what you said interesting.
Joe provides much needed balance to the people who actually believe that aliens come down to talk to you on DMT and that humans actually evolved with the help of mushrooms. He's a realist, this is a good thing.
You're spreading a lot of negativity by the way .
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Nature Boy
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Re: Life-Altering DMT Breakthrough [Re: ressa69]
#18840321 - 09/14/13 08:17 AM (10 years, 4 months ago) |
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No need to leave. Just grow a thicker skin. Joe goes off like that all the time. Read and understand his viewpoint and maybe your own will come back to the middle, right where it belongs.
The long and short of what Joe so brutally tried to say to you is this: There is nothing mystical, religion-related or educational in the DMT (or any other psychedelic) molecule. None. People who attribute magical, mystical, and profoundly divine power and insight to these experiences need a reality check once in a while.
So you got bitch-slapped by JoeMolloy's reality check. Big deal. Stick around and contribute, ya big baby! 
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rikuni

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Re: Life-Altering DMT Breakthrough [Re: Nature Boy]
#18840327 - 09/14/13 08:20 AM (10 years, 4 months ago) |
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setb
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Re: Life-Altering DMT Breakthrough [Re: rikuni]
#18840334 - 09/14/13 08:27 AM (10 years, 4 months ago) |
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JoeMolloy's reality check.
I call it inability or also ACCESS DENIED by spirits 
I wouldn't say that at all. Joe went pretty damn deep into that rabbit hole to attain his current point of view .
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ressa69
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Re: Life-Altering DMT Breakthrough [Re: setb]
#18840350 - 09/14/13 08:35 AM (10 years, 4 months ago) |
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rikuni

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Re: Life-Altering DMT Breakthrough [Re: ressa69]
#18840367 - 09/14/13 08:43 AM (10 years, 4 months ago) |
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Nature Boy
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Re: Life-Altering DMT Breakthrough [Re: ressa69]
#18840617 - 09/14/13 10:30 AM (10 years, 4 months ago) |
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setb
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Re: Life-Altering DMT Breakthrough [Re: Nature Boy]
#18841220 - 09/14/13 02:14 PM (10 years, 4 months ago) |
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Nature Boy said:
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ressa69 said: http://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/18652347/page/1
Relevance???
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I think he's ego tripping a bit. Think skin and big ego are not a good combination.
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Nature Boy
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Re: Life-Altering DMT Breakthrough [Re: setb]
#18841282 - 09/14/13 02:36 PM (10 years, 4 months ago) |
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Maybe so, but given the difficulties of being well and easily understood when communicating electronically, I thought I'd ask for clarification...
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ClockCode
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Re: Life-Altering DMT Breakthrough [Re: setb]
#18841886 - 09/14/13 06:19 PM (10 years, 4 months ago) |
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setb said:
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Universe said: Oh fuck all these "Joemolly" cock suckers.
WTF? I don't know/care who the fuck Joe Molly is. I think he's a prick for shitting on this thread. Do the mods care about this kind of stuff? I click on the title of the thread and I get a deleted post and some loud mouth dick head who apparently shit himself with psychedelics and now wants others to smell his ass. Hey Joe - if you're such a myth buster, then hang out in the conspiracy section. It's unfortunate that you fucked up so bad with psychedelics and now feel the need to derail a perfectly good thread with a "drive by" shit post. OP- repost whatever you said and block Joemolly and his cock suckers. You fit in fine and there's plenty of people here who will find what you said interesting.
Joe provides much needed balance to the people who actually believe that aliens come down to talk to you on DMT and that humans actually evolved with the help of mushrooms. He's a realist, this is a good thing.
You're spreading a lot of negativity by the way .
Pssh who cares about ignorant details like reality? Fuckin dreamers
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NetDiver
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Re: Life-Altering DMT Breakthrough [Re: ClockCode]
#18842055 - 09/14/13 06:55 PM (10 years, 4 months ago) |
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DMT is no more truth-revealing than any other experience. The profound alteration of perception can be a very valuable experience, but it's 100% true that there's no evidence suggesting that there's anything supernatural about it at all. DMT is a psychedelic drug, and the vividness and intensity of the visions it causes increases with dosage. All signs point to it being a chemical which alters your brain chemistry to cause hallucinations -- nothing more, nothing less.
Personally, I think that some posters (such as joemolloy) focus too much on the "nothing more" of that. Just because it's a drug-induced hallucination doesn't mean there's no value in the experience. Radical perspective shifts can bring home the mystery and significance of philosophical questions like the mind-body problem or the nature of self. It's just a chemical, sure, but that doesn't necessarily make it bullshit.
But anyway, it's always worth a laugh to see all the supposedly "spiritual" people with their grand insights about the ultimate nature of everything get butthurt over someone disagreeing with them on the internet.
Edited by NetDiver (09/14/13 07:23 PM)
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ressa69
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Re: Life-Altering DMT Breakthrough [Re: Universe]
#18842125 - 09/14/13 07:16 PM (10 years, 4 months ago) |
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I sincerely apologize if I was offensive. I needed some time to cool down, because the one thing I do not tolerate in intolerance.
I don't know what Mr. Joe Troll was actually up to. I get why he needs to be here, but he crossed the line. There's something you need to understand about cluster headache patients. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cluster_headache
"experts have suggested that the disease may be the most painful condition known to medical science."
So here'e the deal guys. I have been fucked by this disease. I have tried everything and guess what works. Once weekly doses of DMT. Is there an alternative? Maybe, but I know this works for me, and I don't want anymore pain. Do I want to take DMT (or another psych) once a week? Fuck no! It takes some serious control to pull this off. This could be the case for the rest of my life for all I know. You know who helped me find relief? The shroomery! Jesus Christ I have nothing but love for you all and you shit on me! Yes, I am a little offended!
Does this fuck my brain?! YES!! Holy shit. I have serious HPPD, but I learn to enjoy it, because it beats the pain I could have otherwise. I will not deny that chronic use of psychs changes your biology.
I posted that previous thread to show that I agree with all of you! I too am a skeptic in rational terms. It is much more complicated than that and we all know it. During my breakthrough, I believed that I saw a deity/monolith creature. there is indeed no doubt in my mind what I saw. I experienced that cosmic presence. When I came back to I knew better, but it was awesome! That's why we are here!
But WHY is that presence there? I am a rational, science loving man and I say that it is a matter of biology.
Here is a scenario where people behave like Joe Asshole:
Bob: "Hey Jim, Thanks for mowing my lawn yesterday. I was in the hospital because I had a stroke and my family thought I was on my deathbed. You must be a really great guy"
Jim: "Fuck you man. Since the big bang, every event in physics was already laid out. One event inevitably led to another. You couldn't help that you were born into a lower income family that couldn't afford health insurance and blood pressure medication. That's why you had a stroke. I was born into money and I haven't had to work a day in my life. By helping you, that means that I get free hotdogs on tailgate weekend because I mowed your lawn. If you think for a second that I really decided to do anything out of the goodness of my heart, you're out of your mind!"
Look guys - My Job is science, but my passion is the human experience. What this community doesn't seem to convey is the emotion, the beauty, the empathy, and the passion that we feel when we take psychedelic drugs.
I fucking love a good argument, but telling someone simply that "You are wrong" or "you have a big ego". Isn't that utterly hypocritical? By saying that someone has an "ego problem" are you not just insulting them and placing your own person above theirs? This is what this forum seems to encourage. We look at the number of posts, the rating, and what it really comes down to is who agrees with the status quo. Well right now, it's the skeptics that have control. Maybe it's a guise for something else, but it almost looks like this culture has taken psychs and turned them into drugs of abuse.
I don't know about you guys, but I need help making sense of shit. It's confusing and the easy way out is to say that it's all bullshit.
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ClockCode
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Re: Life-Altering DMT Breakthrough [Re: ressa69]
#18842137 - 09/14/13 07:20 PM (10 years, 4 months ago) |
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I just don't like how certain either party is of their convictions.
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Re: Life-Altering DMT Breakthrough [Re: ClockCode]
#18842283 - 09/14/13 08:05 PM (10 years, 4 months ago) |
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I don't know about you guys, but I need help making sense of shit. It's confusing and the easy way out is to say that it's all bullshit.
I kind of agree with you there. It is easier to just say you were just really fucked up and nothing more than that happened. The drug makes us feel like something more interesting is going on, but none of us are going to be able to produce any evidence or theory that would gain widespread scientific acceptance. Until these drugs are legal to research, or until MAPS makes some breakthrough discovery it's just going to be the word of us lonely, gullible psychonaughts against the skeptics like JoeMolloy. All I have is the old story of how I ate mushrooms last night in my basement and got to learn the truth about the universe. It may not be a very compelling argument, but all I know is what it felt like to me.
I do believe one day science will understand what is really going on when we take psychedelics. A lot of the newer quantum physics theories suggest that consciousness actually does effect the physical world, and that the observer is a significant concept. Just check out this video.
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Re: Life-Altering DMT Breakthrough [Re: ressa69]
#18842491 - 09/14/13 09:07 PM (10 years, 4 months ago) |
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If you have cluster headaches and are seeking relief from non-pharmaceutical drugs, the drug for YOU is psilocybin, not DMT. You should be eating sub-threshold doses of mushrooms - about .75 - 1.0 gram dry once a week.
Cheaper and easier to obtain (grow 'em yourself!), fewer side effects, no stoning feeling, and excellent therapeutic response in a large majority of cases.
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Re: Life-Altering DMT Breakthrough [Re: ClockCode]
#18842509 - 09/14/13 09:13 PM (10 years, 4 months ago) |
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ClockCode said: I just don't like how certain either party is of their convictions.
Yes, I am not certain at all of my convictions. It is certainty that leads to stagnancy that leads to intolerance that leads to being an ass. Perhaps I come off as having a large ego, but that is not the case. Have some confidence that you have a brain as capable as anyone else's. That your personal truth lies in there somewhere. That the struggle you experience in finding that truth justifies tolerance when you see someone going through the same thing, you do not insult them. You help them.
In the end, one cannot look at the belief itself, but the utility in such a belief. I am not a member of the christian church, but I have seen the joy that jesus can bring to others and it is no different than the feeling I get when I am alone in the woods, watching the sun set.
I do not see too many people questioning "LAPTOPS?!? HOW DO THEY WORK?!?" even though it is likely that not a single person here could actually make one if they were stranded in the forest. Indeed, not a single person in the world could make a laptop if they were stranded in the forest.
Yet here we are saying, "DMT?! How does it work!?!?". We know that it produces a predictable response in people. We have established dose ranges, the nature of elven enitites, various consistencies. Given our rational belief that this is NOT magic and a consequence of biology, is this not significant? What we have done here approaches something measurable by science in one way or another. We have administered the SAME chemical to UNIQUE people and gotten a consistent result; one that looks like a religious experience. HOLY SHIT!?
I am a musician first and all else later. I need a release. Everyone needs a release. There is no harm in suspending disbelief and being the helpless fodder of some gargantuan alien mantis fucking your brain for five minutes. It's heathly.
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ressa69
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Re: Life-Altering DMT Breakthrough [Re: Nature Boy]
#18842528 - 09/14/13 09:17 PM (10 years, 4 months ago) |
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Nature Boy said: If you have cluster headaches and are seeking relief from non-pharmaceutical drugs, the drug for YOU is psilocybin, not DMT. You should be eating sub-threshold doses of mushrooms - about .75 - 1.0 gram dry once a week.
Cheaper and easier to obtain (grow 'em yourself!), fewer side effects, no stoning feeling, and excellent therapeutic response in a large majority of cases.
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I did that first, and it only provided seasonal relief. The issue was one of tolerance. I was getting hits post dose and they wouldn't work three times a week. I have been here in the shadows for awhile. Each headache patient is different, and practically speaking, isn't a five minute commitment more reasonable than a 4-6 hour ordeal. Especially for the working man. It's once a week before bed and I'm good to go vs. Nausea, heartache, and confusion for 6 hours. Making time on every saturday. Saying: "Sorry bra gotta dose tonight, I can't chill and drink with you guys, I'll end up in the bathroom begging god to make it stop."
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