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OfflineLabs4858


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Re: Just got illegally searched:l [Re: volcomstoner]
    #18832674 - 09/12/13 02:19 PM (10 years, 5 months ago)

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volcomstoner said:
To my understanding they are perfectly legal to search your person without your consent.




Wrong.

The fourth amendment: Unreasonable search and seizure.

POLICE ARE TRAINED TO TRICK YOU.They are trained to ask compound questions to get you to consent to a search, they LEGALLY CAN LIE TO YOU. Tell you "the dogs are coming." WRONG.

if they tell you to get up against the wall and spread em, and you do, THIS IS YOUR CONSENT.



Your BEST FRIEND IS: "I do not consent to any searches." Repeat it. Unlawful search and seizure can result in the suppression of charges. (charges being dropped.)


Addition: If this makes sense, you NOT letting the officer know that you DO NOT consent to searches IS your consent. Most officers ask you directly if they can search you, but some do not.


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Re: Just got illegally searched:l [Re: Labs4858]
    #18832764 - 09/12/13 02:41 PM (10 years, 5 months ago)

Exactly ^ 
Op consented and that's that.


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Re: Just got illegally searched:l [Re: HippieVibes]
    #18833324 - 09/12/13 05:02 PM (10 years, 5 months ago)

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So i live in LA neer venice beach, a friend and i are just skating to a local weed shop and we notice police kinda give us a strange look as they are passing by.

Shortly after they stop us and start asking us to set out skateboards down and make us both face a wall with our legs spread and hands behind out back (they weren't to aggressive about it but we complied to get away sooner)

then they started patting us down, my friends messing with them slightly by responding with drown out replies, then i suddenly notice the cop sicks his hand in my pocket to my shorts, removes my wallet and phone, (I NEVER CONSENTED, he just knew he wouldnt get in trouble if he did it to me) opens my wallet to look at my ID, gives it back to me after that and leave shortly after with out really telling us why they did all that (but we didnt ask why)

It was honestly pretty lame and i honestly thought police were better then that, you could atleast ask me to remove the stuff from my pockets and treat me with some sort of respect:[
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So after all this happened to me i was curious about some of shroomeries experiences with similar situations and would love for people to share! (first post btw, ive been lurking forever thought)




Why'd you comply? I fucking love it when cops try to give me a random shake down. Nothing sweeter then walking circles around their psychological training.


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Re: Just got illegally searched:l [Re: omegafaust]
    #18836792 - 09/13/13 12:24 PM (10 years, 5 months ago)

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they were not in a car.  they just walked past a dispensary, no probable cause.  asking them to put their hands on the wall implies a search.  like being asked to step out of the car.  if an officer asked a woman to hand over her purse she could refuse, and in no way be accused of failing to comply as she has violated no law and cannot be accused without probably cause.  he could have refused to place his hands on the wall and questioned the reason.  which would have told him if a search was going to happen, at which point he can refuse.

he has broken no law and does not have to compy to an invasion of his rights. 

having complied with the officers orders he agreed to be searched.  like handing over a purse.







You couldn't be more wrong. Yes, to a certain degree the "hands against the wall" thing could technically imply a search, only because this is typically a common police tactic. But the hands against the wall thing is not solely for the purposes of a search. They also search people with their hands on a car, or with their hands just simply interlaced behind their heads, or in handcuffs. These are all positions that officers request for the reasons of their own safety, not for a search.


Go ahead and refuse an order that a cop gives you, which in his mind is for his own safety, and see how he responds.  I am by no means telling people they should consent to a search. I would follow the cop's instruction, while saying "Sir, I do not consent to a search."  That way all your bases are covered. You explicitly deny permission to search, while respecting the officer's safety and commands, and don't have to worry about a resisting charge, or even worse, a beating if you get a real asshole power-tripper.



But yeah, if you're so convinced that you're right, put yourself in one of these situations. When the cops show up, pull out your phone and start recording. When he tells you to put your hands on the wall, or behind your head or whatever, say "no, I don't have to do that."  See ho it turns out. Then, when you later get out of  jail, please post the video so I can have a laugh.


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Re: Just got illegally searched:l [Re: CidneyIndole]
    #18836909 - 09/13/13 12:58 PM (10 years, 5 months ago)

You have the right to ask for reasoning. Don't let yourself bro.

Next time something like this happens again, before they set you up to the wall, ASK them why they are searching you.

Cops, by law, have to inform you of their authoritative actions whilst doing so. They can get away without asking to people ignorant of the law.

They can't just search you. You must be doing something suspicious.

Remember, although in reality, it's not always true, cops work to SERVE you, not manipulate you.


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Re: Just got illegally searched:l [Re: TwinEclipse]
    #18837378 - 09/13/13 03:22 PM (10 years, 5 months ago)

If you ever get pulled over with weed in the car, light up a ciggarette right away. Thats what I did and the police just went on there way because they dont wanna smell that shit.


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Re: Just got illegally searched:l [Re: loco801]
    #18837451 - 09/13/13 03:39 PM (10 years, 5 months ago)

They can remove your wallet, but I don't think they can open it.


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Re: Just got illegally searched:l [Re: loco801]
    #18837499 - 09/13/13 03:52 PM (10 years, 5 months ago)

They stop you and say you fit the description of someone they are looking for. My friend Leroy calls it walking while black. But it happens to lot's of different people. While talking to you they search you for "everyone's safety" although they have guns and seem pretty safe to me. They bust all sorts of people on these random fishing expeditions.
I really did fit the description of some guy once, they brought the assault victim over and he negatively ID'ed me and I was on my way, no search and a "sorry for bothering you sir". That's the way it is supposed to be. Same with traffic violations, that should not involve a search of your car.
I have been illegally searched because they claimed to smell weed in the car even though none was smoked. We looked like pot heads and he figured we had some. Even if you beat an illegal search in court you are going to go broke fighting it and lose whatever drugs they seized anyway.


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Re: Just got illegally searched:l [Re: my3rdeye]
    #18837638 - 09/13/13 04:29 PM (10 years, 5 months ago)

If I was walking down the street and a cop stopped and asked me to empty my pockets i don't have to.  i could have a gun in plain site with a loaded magazine and. still not have to comply. 

cops are there to enforce the law.  tell me, what law were these guys breaking that warranted a search? 

They could have demanded to know the reaison.  And then denied the search.it is illegal to comply with a lawful order.  which kind of muddles it up because they can pretty much make any order seem lawful.  however you have personal rights, you should know and use these.


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Re: Just got illegally searched:l [Re: loco801]
    #18837649 - 09/13/13 04:32 PM (10 years, 5 months ago)

haha yeah I went through a dwi checkpoing once smoking a cig and they waived me by pretty quick.


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Re: Just got illegally searched:l [Re: brokentv]
    #18837707 - 09/13/13 04:48 PM (10 years, 5 months ago)

No one in Venice Beach deserves any kind of respect.


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Re: Just got illegally searched:l [Re: Me_Roy]
    #18837787 - 09/13/13 05:11 PM (10 years, 5 months ago)

Two situations that happened to me personally, goes like this...

-I was smoking a blunt in my car, driving around my neighborhood like I always used to do when I still lived at my mom's house. Cop pulls me over for making a turn w/out turning on my signal. Smells the weed obviously and asks to search. I tell him I refuse to give consent and he searches anyway, finds the weed, pretty much a full blunt. Got taken to jail that night.

-I was smoking a few joint's in my car, driving back from my hometown to where I currently reside now. Pulled over for speeding. Cop smells the weed and asks where it's at. I don't answer. He asks me to step out the car and continues to ask me about the weed. After assessing the situation a little more, I tell him where it's at and he takes it and makes me stomp it in the grass. Didn't go to jail that night. I also had 100 xanax bars on me in this situation.

It comes down to a cops discretion. Every cop is different and like some people said, they are just people. Main thing I've learned dealing with police is that they don't like being lied to. Just be real with a cop and it will do more good than bad.

Also, in that first situation, after chopping it up with the cop and the undercover he was riding around with I was only charged with public intoxication which was also dismissed. I guess it helped that the cop was also from the Caribbean Islands and used to smoke mad weed himself:lol:Sometimes you just get lucky, other times you just gotta feel it out. But NEVER LIE TO A COP!!

I'll read the rest of the thread in a bit, but I just wanted to add my $0.02


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Re: Just got illegally searched:l [Re: itsthedank]
    #18837891 - 09/13/13 05:40 PM (10 years, 5 months ago)

Also, this kind of thing was made unconstitutional some time ago. The stop-and-frisk searches that were the hottest craze in NYC for some time. It was made unconstitutional because, I believe, it allowed for a lot of racial profiling. However, I don't know how or if this has been enforced rigidly.

The only thing it takes for a pat-down/stop-n-frisk search is "reasonable suspicion" which is not, as far as I know, technically defined in legal terms. So it's basically just up to the cop and their discretion.

OP, I would just leave it alone and not even bother with a complaint. Sucks, but shit happens and you didn't even go to jail:shrug:


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Re: Just got illegally searched:l [Re: itsthedank]
    #18837937 - 09/13/13 05:52 PM (10 years, 5 months ago)

The last time I got shaken down illegally was in July. I was walking through my old neighborhood when a kid comes up to me and asks me for a light, I pull it out and the squad car that was parked up in the ally flashed his lights. He stepped out, along with his partner, he also had his buddies sitting in the parking lot across. They pulled up to. They gave me some bullshit about us dealing drugs, asking us to empty our pockets. I refused, told them straight up what they're doing is illegal. They played stupid and started trying to turn it into a curfew check, I told them that was bullshit too. Eventually they just wanted to see my ID, I told them to fuck off and stood their in silence for 5 minutes before they gave in and told me to check my attitude. The entire time they were doing that high pressure thing where they try and stress you as much as possible to get you to give consent, it was hilarious. Whenever I laid out exactly what they could and couldnt do they asked me what I was talking about, while quietly stopping whatever they were attempting, such as reaching into my pockets.


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Re: Just got illegally searched:l [Re: Bodhi of Ankou]
    #18838154 - 09/13/13 06:45 PM (10 years, 5 months ago)

Its happend to me before, and will probably happen again.
You can tell them you don't consent to any searches, however, they're allowed to frisk you for 'their own safety'

However, the cop that was searching me clearly didn't give a flying fuck what I consented to, and searched me anyhow. I didn't have a problem with it seeing how I couldn't do anything about it anyway. I'm just glad I wasn't carrying anything illegal at the time. 

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Re: Just got illegally searched:l [Re: NewWavePeace]
    #18839762 - 09/14/13 01:31 AM (10 years, 5 months ago)

St. Patricks Day party in an apartment. Worst idea ever.

Got there late and underage kids were already drunk (i was 19 at the time and just high but no alcohol). We took the last few shots of alcohol i took 2. Then I drank a couple beers and continued smoking. It was a guys birthday so he got a lap dance from some hot ass mixed chick and every guy was in awe cause she fuckin' rocked that shit. Stepped outside to smoke again when the night turned bad. Some idiot fell over and whacked his head on the wall cause he was shitfaced. He knocked the beer pong table over and fell off his chair. Another guy then jumped from one couch to the other and broke the chair on the landing. Funny shit I must admit. Although I knew this was a bad idea from the get-go. Sure enough, manager of the apartments called and cops appeared in a matter of minutes. They began flashing lights and playing annoying sirens for about 20 minutes while we all hid in the darkness of someones room. Fast-forward 30 minutes the cops appear to be gone and the owner of the apartment starts kicking people out to go home. We are the third or fourth group out of the door and of course we are the ones who get pulled over only one block down the road. Driver ends up blowing a .08% which is considered over the limit according to local police. They harassed us about anything and everything; where we came from, where were going. They said our story didn't match up with the driver which was bullshit and the women in the car didn't get it. I knew i was arrested at this point for sure. Then the police pulled each person out one by one, 3 women with us, they searched me and found weed and a pipe, breathalyzed me over 10 times because his machine was fucked up. Then they stuck me in the back of the cop car with the driver. MIND YOU: Never read my rights at all throughout the whole "investigation". Ended up with $4K bail and 4 charges. Public intoxication, Minor in poss. of alcohol, poss. of "paraphernalia", and poss. of marijuana. After $200 to an attorney (who I will always go back to) I served 2.5 days day in jail and had one charge of the alcohol that would be wiped from my record at 21.

]TL:DR In the end i served 2.5 days in jail for attending a retarded, but cool, party for 3 hours in a fucked up city with corrupted police. Record wiped. A good attorney really does help.


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Re: Just got illegally searched:l [Re: TwinEclipse]
    #18840942 - 09/14/13 12:16 PM (10 years, 5 months ago)

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TwinEclipse said:
Cops, by law, have to inform you of their authoritative actions whilst doing so. They can get away without asking to people ignorant of the law.
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I don't know why you (quite wrongly) assume this, but it's very much not true. I'd like you to show me the law that says this.


If there is such a law, I guarantee you that many cops ignore it, most of the time. I have experienced this personally. And I've seen it hundreds of times more than that. It's like you people have never watched the show "Cops" or something. Watch a season or two of that. You'll see people asking why they're being detained or arrested but denied answers as the cop proceeds to man-handle them or shove them into the back of a car, countless times.


There are a lot of myths surrounding cops. The persistence of these myths does not make them any more true. For example, most people think they have "the right to a phone call" if they are arrested. This is 99% not true. You can request a lawyer if you are arrested. Your lawyer can make phone calls for you. Calling anyone else is considered a privilege. Now, to be fair, if you're polite, the cops usually do allow this. I've been allowed to make calls for bail, after asking politely. But it's not a "right" much as it should be.


Again, if it is actually a law that they have to tell you why you're being detained, or whatever else, they often don't do it. And they "get away with it," whether it's right (legally speaking) or not.


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Re: Just got illegally searched:l [Re: CidneyIndole]
    #18843588 - 09/15/13 07:38 AM (10 years, 5 months ago)

How can someone be charged with public intoxication when they are in the back of a private vehicle?


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Re: Just got illegally searched:l [Re: volcomstoner]
    #18843616 - 09/15/13 07:56 AM (10 years, 5 months ago)

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volcomstoner said:
To my understanding they are perfectly legal to search your person without your consent




Yes, you are wrong. First off, they have to have probable cause to be detaining you.

Second, they are suppose to be doing BASIC check for WEAPONS if they have a reason to detain you.

Not just "Oh some kids...get the fuck over here so I can search you"

No, that is illegal.


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