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lsms
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Pholiota or Gymnopilus?
#18836800 - 09/13/13 12:26 PM (10 years, 4 months ago) |
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Habitat: A down tree (beech most likely) in northeastern us
Gills: Attached orange
Stem: Solid, bulbous at base, lighter orange/yellow inside, some line like texture going up (Is there a term for that?)
Cap: Orange some yellowish fading on the cap seems almost seem sun bleached even though they were pretty shaded.
Bruising: None noted
Other information: Working on a spore print.

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Re: Pholiota or Gymnopilus? [Re: lsms]
#18836845 - 09/13/13 12:40 PM (10 years, 4 months ago) |
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Gymnopilus seems likely, post up the prints - should be a rusty orange color.
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MidnightCity said: Gymnopilus seems likely, post up the prints - should be a rusty orange color.
I think that the fading was actually spores on them, the lighter color wipes off. They aren't giving much of a print granted its only been about 15 minutes.
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Re: Pholiota or Gymnopilus? [Re: lsms]
#18836911 - 09/13/13 12:58 PM (10 years, 4 months ago) |
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lsms said:
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MidnightCity said: Gymnopilus seems likely, post up the prints - should be a rusty orange color.
I think that the fading was actually spores on them, the lighter color wipes off. They aren't giving much of a print granted its only been about 15 minutes.
15 minutes is not long enough for a decent print, wait a few hours for better results. It's pretty common for the caps to be dusted heavily with spores, especially at this maturity when grouped together.
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It seems to be right around the color of rust with maybe slight orange tones? The pictures seem to make it a bit darker than it is.
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Re: Pholiota or Gymnopilus? [Re: lsms]
#18837307 - 09/13/13 03:03 PM (10 years, 4 months ago) |
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I suggest being a bit more patient with your prints.
They resemble Gymnopilus luteus, But... is this the same log you found Pholiota on last week, or different?
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MidnightCity said: I suggest being a bit more patient with your prints.
They resemble Gymnopilus luteus, But... is this the same log you found Pholiota on last week, or different?
It was a different log, I am finding TONS of Pholiota around, mostly the spiked cap species on birch though. I believe you are spot on about being impatient, there were a few spots on them that were showing a much brighter color print. Can I still leave them and see if it changes color?
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Re: Pholiota or Gymnopilus? [Re: lsms]
#18837395 - 09/13/13 03:25 PM (10 years, 4 months ago) |
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Sure, Let them print 6-8 hours in a draft free place then check on them.
If you're finding alot of Pholiota I would be extra suspicious of this collection, wait for the print and a second opinion.
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looks like Gymnopilus luteus to me, but again wait for a TI http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gymnopilus_luteus
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Will do, thanks for all your help! Any tips on distinguishing between the two while out hunting would be greatly appreciated.
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Re: Pholiota or Gymnopilus? [Re: lsms]
#18837496 - 09/13/13 03:52 PM (10 years, 4 months ago) |
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Gill colour could be an early indicator (not cast iron proof), since Gymnopilus has orangey spores and Pholiota has brown ones.
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Re: Pholiota or Gymnopilus? [Re: lsms]
#18837500 - 09/13/13 03:52 PM (10 years, 4 months ago) |
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I'm no TI but I would call that a Gymnopilus.
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The wiki article says that Luteus has rusty brown spores, but then also says it has yellow to orange spores. Is it a maturity thing or just Wikipedia being Wikipedia?
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Re: Pholiota or Gymnopilus? [Re: lsms]
#18837570 - 09/13/13 04:13 PM (10 years, 4 months ago) |
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I would consider rusty brown to be an orange color.
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elprawn said: Gill colour could be an early indicator (not cast iron proof), since Gymnopilus has orangey spores and Pholiota has brown ones.
So the pins I find with orange gills are more than likely Gyms? I had been putting them off as pholiota because of a slick feeling capQuote:
maynardjameskeenan said: I would consider rusty brown to be an orange color.

You don't realize how much having that block of color helps.
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Re: Pholiota or Gymnopilus? [Re: lsms]
#18837632 - 09/13/13 04:28 PM (10 years, 4 months ago) |
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Pholiota spores

Gymnopilus spores
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Re: Pholiota or Gymnopilus? [Re: lsms]
#18837636 - 09/13/13 04:29 PM (10 years, 4 months ago) |
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It is harder to identify any mushroom by looking at pins. More mature mushrooms are usually easier to differentiate.
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Re: Pholiota or Gymnopilus? [Re: elprawn]
#18837683 - 09/13/13 04:41 PM (10 years, 4 months ago) |
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 Pholiota it is?
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Re: Pholiota or Gymnopilus? [Re: lsms]
#18837709 - 09/13/13 04:48 PM (10 years, 4 months ago) |
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You should print them on foil for at least 4-6 hours. Like I said before, I think they are Gymnopilus.
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maynardjameskeenan said: You should print them on foil for at least 4-6 hours. Like I said before, I think they are Gymnopilus.
I would like to think your right, the prints are quite a bit brighter than my photos show. I left some on the log, should I take a fresh one to print on foil or can these be used still?
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Re: Pholiota or Gymnopilus? [Re: elprawn]
#18837824 - 09/13/13 05:25 PM (10 years, 4 months ago) |
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Gymnopilus luteus, all day.
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Re: Pholiota or Gymnopilus? [Re: Gravija]
#18837919 - 09/13/13 05:47 PM (10 years, 4 months ago) |
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Gravija said: Gymnopilus luteus, all day.
Right on, thanks! Go figure when I expect it to be Pholiota!
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Re: Pholiota or Gymnopilus? [Re: Gravija]
#18838379 - 09/13/13 07:33 PM (10 years, 4 months ago) |
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Gravija said: Gymnopilus luteus, all day.
my same thoughts, my same words
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Re: Pholiota or Gymnopilus? [Re: Joust]
#18838411 - 09/13/13 07:42 PM (10 years, 4 months ago) |
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Gravija said: Gymnopilus luteus, all day.
my same thoughts, my same words
Just checked out the prints on foil. Bright ass orange. How come when I did it on white paper is would come out rusty brown?
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Re: Pholiota or Gymnopilus? [Re: lsms]
#18838493 - 09/13/13 08:02 PM (10 years, 4 months ago) |
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You didn't let them sit long enough, Gymnopilus prints should be "bright ass orange" and very thick.
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Re: Pholiota or Gymnopilus? [Re: lsms]
#18838527 - 09/13/13 08:09 PM (10 years, 4 months ago) |
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Because foil reflects a different spectrum. Prints on foil should never be used to delineate genera
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Re: Pholiota or Gymnopilus? [Re: Gravija]
#18839091 - 09/13/13 10:06 PM (10 years, 4 months ago) |
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Gravija said: Because foil reflects a different spectrum. Prints on foil should never be used to delineate genera
really? what do you use... wax paper?
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Re: Pholiota or Gymnopilus? [Re: Joust]
#18840129 - 09/14/13 05:24 AM (10 years, 4 months ago) |
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Joust said: really? what do you use... wax paper?
I used wax paper when I tried to get a spore print from those purple footed corts that I found last week, I left them overnight and no visible prints showed up. They were also young specimens though.
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Re: Pholiota or Gymnopilus? [Re: lsms]
#18840179 - 09/14/13 06:27 AM (10 years, 4 months ago) |
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