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OfflineEggtimer
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Don't try to sweat that THC out
    #18836540 - 09/13/13 11:25 AM (10 years, 4 months ago)

http://scienceblog.com/66608/stoners-beware-exercising-might-lead-to-a-positive-drug-test/
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Exercise is essential to a healthy lifestyle, but new research led by the University of Sydney shows that for cannabis users, it could also lead to positive drug tests.

Tetrahydrocannabinol (THC), the main intoxicating ingredient in cannabis, has a strong affinity for fat tissue. Most of the THC consumed when cannabis is smoked ends up being rapidly transferred from the bloodstream into fat cells, where it accumulates and can lie dormant for weeks or even months.

But what happens when you burn the fat that contains this THC?
The study by researchers from the University of Sydney and University of NSW, published in the most recent issue of Drug and Alcohol Dependence, asked regular cannabis users to exercise at a level that would cause fat to be metabolised – a reasonably tough 35-minute workout on a stationary exercise bike. The cannabis users had all abstained from smoking overnight to ensure low blood levels of THC prior to the exercise.

After the exercise, the researchers found a substantial increase in blood THC in the cannabis users, which in some cases was enough to make the difference between a negative and positive drug test. The rise in blood THC was accompanied by a jump in free fatty acids in the blood, a tell-tale sign that fat was being used as a fuel during the workout.

In an interesting twist, researchers found that the higher the person’s body mass index (BMI), the greater their increase in blood THC levels with exercise. According to the researchers, greater body fat usually accompanies a higher BMI, resulting in a larger reservoir of stored THC that can be released during exercise.

“These results have potentially huge medico-legal implications,” says Professor Iain McGregor, from the University of Sydney’s School of Psychology, who led the research.

“Someone subjected to workplace or roadside drug testing after a visit to the gym could end up testing positive despite an absence of recent cannabis use.

In addition, it may not just be exercise that produces this effect. Other things that increase use of body fat, for example dieting, or physical or psychological stress, might produce a similar or even greater outcome.

The study also looked at the effects of a 12-hour fast on blood THC levels in some users, although this manipulation failed to increase THC in the same way as exercise. The researchers noted that more than 12 hours of fasting may be required to kick fat use into the high gear required to liberate THC.

Future studies are planned to examine whether the raised THC caused by exercise is enough to impair driving ability and memory in regular users.





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Re: Don't try to sweat that THC out [Re: Eggtimer]
    #18836599 - 09/13/13 11:44 AM (10 years, 4 months ago)

Hm, interesting. I always thought that to be true, I had just not read of any research towards this.


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Re: Don't try to sweat that THC out [Re: Le_Canard]
    #18836669 - 09/13/13 12:01 PM (10 years, 4 months ago)

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The cannabis users had all abstained from smoking overnight to ensure low blood levels of THC prior to the exercise.




but useally you abstain way longer then 24 hours, so "sweating" it out with ample time is proably still a good idea, just dont do it immediately before the drug test


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Re: Don't try to sweat that THC out [Re: hidenseek1]
    #18836977 - 09/13/13 01:22 PM (10 years, 4 months ago)

In other news, eating nothing but hellof snickers bars in the 24 hours before your test seems to have the opposite effect because your cells are in the process of fat-forming, not fat-burning


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Re: Don't try to sweat that THC out [Re: Eggtimer]
    #18837078 - 09/13/13 01:56 PM (10 years, 4 months ago)

Very interesting

I've noticed that a short workout when I'm high will seemingly concentrate the feeling, suspected it was related to the fat burning and endorphins kicking in. Good hunch :shrug2:


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Re: Don't try to sweat that THC out [Re: Eggtimer]
    #18837640 - 09/13/13 04:30 PM (10 years, 4 months ago)

When they say that there was an increase in blood THC levels, do they mean the levels of THC metabolites in the blood?

Non psychoactive THC metabolites are stored in the fat cells as far as I know, which is why when a heavy smoker takes a break and exercises he won't become high when the THC metabolites are released from the fat cells into his blood stream.


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Re: Don't try to sweat that THC out [Re: aj123]
    #18837728 - 09/13/13 04:54 PM (10 years, 4 months ago)

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aj123 said:
When they say that there was an increase in blood THC levels, do they mean the levels of THC metabolites in the blood?

Non psychoactive THC metabolites are stored in the fat cells as far as I know, which is why when a heavy smoker takes a break and exercises he won't become high when the THC metabolites are released from the fat cells into his blood stream.




They have to be talking about metabolites...I don't think active THC can lay dormant like metabolites can. If active THC was released into the blood stream from the deposits in fat tissue then no pothead would ever be sober :lol:

I know I'm a heavy smoker and I do a ton of cardio...i've never felt the cannabis high after a workout. Although I'm pretty sure the "runners high" deals with endorphins and the natural cannabinoid system, but it's not active THC it's just the natural activation of certain cannabinoid receptors


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Re: Don't try to sweat that THC out [Re: Can-i-bus]
    #18837873 - 09/13/13 05:36 PM (10 years, 4 months ago)

I have experienced getting high from burning fat after abstaining from smoking, I don't mean a runners high either. Several friends and I have all had a high that includes bloodshot eyes after not smoking for a couple of days and then working out for 2+ hours. If you are a heavy smoker, you should try it. it really works.


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Re: Don't try to sweat that THC out [Re: sk8fast] * 1
    #18837997 - 09/13/13 06:06 PM (10 years, 4 months ago)

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sk8fast said:
I have experienced getting high from burning fat after abstaining from smoking, I don't mean a runners high either. Several friends and I have all had a high that includes bloodshot eyes after not smoking for a couple of days and then working out for 2+ hours. If you are a heavy smoker, you should try it. it really works.




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Re: Don't try to sweat that THC out [Re: Maito]
    #18838096 - 09/13/13 06:30 PM (10 years, 4 months ago)

I've long said this. If one is looking to pass a drug test, they should exercise and eat as healthy as possible for as long as possible up until about two days before the drug test. This will rid stored THC from the body's fat cells and eliminate it.

Once you're nearing about two days away from the drug test, flip it completely around and be lazy as hell, eat fatty meaty foods, be lazy. This will prevent any extra stored THC from being burned as your body will actually be creating new fat, and won't be expending any stored energy.

I've also suggested that drinking a considerable amount of alcohol about 2 days before the drug test can also help as well. THC is relatively soluble in ethanol, whereas it's practically insoluble in water. Thus drinking 5 gallons of water probably isn't going to change much ..but alcohol just might help some. It's also a diuretic, which may further help the cause. --That being said, I'm not suggesting anyone drink a dangerous amount. Also, if your drug test includes alcohol or its metabolites, this is a bad way to go naturally :p


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Re: Don't try to sweat that THC out [Re: Magick]
    #18843810 - 09/15/13 09:24 AM (10 years, 4 months ago)

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Re: Don't try to sweat that THC out [Re: Eggtimer]
    #18844634 - 09/15/13 01:47 PM (10 years, 4 months ago)

I just feel sorry for people living in countries with regular drug testing. I have never met anyone in the UK who has been tested for anything other than methadone scripts etc. Even if you fail those your script isn't stopped.

Weird that the US which has legal/semi-legal weed in many places is still so hell-bent on drug tests.


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Re: Don't try to sweat that THC out [Re: egodeathflux]
    #18845814 - 09/15/13 06:49 PM (10 years, 4 months ago)

If it's important to you, it's possible to know "where your numbers are at."

I recommend that with time, patience, forebearance and a few tools, anyone can learn how to keep their metabolite #'s relatively low. This method is not going to be a good save for anyone in a random situation, however. The reader would want to make sure they have at least 1-3 months to taper down to this method. It will also require a fair bit of sacrifice, and some Tek, but you guys know Teks, right? Don't Teks keep us up in the middle of the night, amused by results and going over our numbers?

1) The Home Testing kit In Thuh Green Box "At Home" that you see at RX stores commonly available comes with two tests, a preliminary and a send away kit. KEEP BOTH. (Save the preliminary, the "Stick Test" for later.)

2) Utilize the confirmatory test kit, and send away your personal specimen. ALWAYS test in the morning, when your void is the strongest. When your specimen arrives, it will be tested by Gas Spectrometry. You will receive an anonymous result that you can view online, and know precisely the number of Metabolites your body is currently carrying. (The cost of the lab fee is included within the price of the test kit; there is no supplmental charge for the GS result.) You will find out results in about 7-10 business days. Priority mail works best, I find. Be sure and tell the Post Office clerk you're sending away a liquid specimen so that s/he can turn bright red and you can walk away grinning. They'll figure out that it needs to be handled with care.

3) The GS result is of enourmous benefit, because now you can see how high your metabolite # is, and you can use either the Java based stand alone Metabolite daily scale to determine when you will run clean. (There is also a Metabolite program on Erowid that can show you through weight and etc, how many days that will take. The standard deviation is 100ng/day, but this may differ greater or lesser depending on how your metabolism runs. And by repeating this experiment weekly, you're going to know exactly how long it takes to run a cycle. Some people really do have a 7 day cycle to under 50ng/ml, and some people can take from 1-3 months. You're going to find out exactly what your cycle is - and that will be a huge benefit since most of the testing industry catches individuals off guard.

4) The day that you send your specimen away, it's a good idea to buy in bulk on those thc sticks. You can get them soooo cheap in bulk, and I actually can say *( he he) those ones at Dollar Tree are in fact, accurate. But it isn't your least expensive option. I'd say, get like, a 20 pack or something.

5) Observe the "Clean by monday rule." this means, in the beginning, you will only want to smoke on Friday, and IF you were running under SAMHSA's 50ng, you should piss clear on Monday (See Erowid's "Clean by Monday" experiment)

6) This works exceptionally well if you do work M-F, which not all persons do, because you can enjoy yourself on Friday, and feel fairly confident through the weekend, that you will be in SAMHSA levels on Monday. (On Stick - 50 ng/ml, Ultimately, it will mean tapering down to 1 night a week, but if you can stand it, you can enjoy as much as you want, I feel, because on one night when you are 100% saturated it will be less detrimental than several days in a row. Also, you will find I think, that "Less will be more." Your enjoyment of it, and respect of it, might be back in some ways that we tend to forget (when we're chronic, really looking for jobs, etc.)

It won't be a Tek for everyone, and it may take several attempts to get right. I wouldn't suggest this as a solution for probation. Just for sincere people who are responsible , kind people who don't want to be without the experience of Cannabis in their lives, but in current situations it would be better if they significantly reduced their consumption for a while, and would like to stay within SAMHSA levels, to obtain other desirables in their life. This said, I do not by any means approve of the Testing industry, quite the opposite. However, I'll use fire to fight fire here, and I have successfully.

I also did personally find that Passion Flower did potentiate cannabis, so if I felt particularly conservative, I would take both (not together, but within moments of each other), thus taking a very tiny bit much farther. To make sure that my little bits didn't get lost, I'd sprinkle them on Mullein or Marshmallow - two nice fluffy herbs known for good taste and health on the lungs.

The more TIME a person has to practice this the method, the more reliable your own predictions of where you stand, will be. Like with some of our other best cultivation advice - you need PATIENCE if you wish to receive extreme reward.


But - you are in control -  you can have the Lab results that you want at a low cost , anonymously, and if it is your desire to taper down to this level, consider this method.

I have heard it on good account that a lot of random corporations won't test on weekends, though i can't say 100% it's true, and I certainly wouldn't advise anyone on probation that this might be a method for you. There is some risk involved. (which is why I recommended the 20 stick bulk, because you might find if you're sluggish that you might be clean by Tuesday, or something. )

However, if you have been waiting MONTHS to get called back to that job interview, and you've been like DYING in the meantime, this could work for you- because if you're not quite in a clean phase, in a few days you will be and often you can schedule an interview within reason ....3-5 days...:smile: Good luck


Edited by jtronique (09/15/13 07:27 PM)


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Re: Don't try to sweat that THC out [Re: jtronique]
    #18845905 - 09/15/13 07:16 PM (10 years, 4 months ago)

Also, by using the clean method and the Passion Flower potentiate that just described I found I was able to titrate such small amounts, that I was only positive for a 24 hour time period afterwards. I really only experimented with this to see if it would work, and it was kind of cool to see that it did. I felt a bit amused that I could "get away with it" :P YMMV


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