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Re: Random things you have found in the woods [Re: rev0kadavur]
#19594656 - 02/20/14 01:01 PM (9 years, 11 months ago) |
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Mountain Lions are probably the most beautiful animal ive seen in the wild. They dont make a sound
Wolves just got the munchies. They run around the hills here but avoid people during the day.
seeing sneaky predators in the wild, to me feels so primal. Just seeing a bear from across the stream makes my neck hairs party
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Mountain lions are about the only thing that i have a respectfull fear of while alone in the woods in my parts. Its probably because i had a dream once where i tried to fight a mountain lion with my bare hands and got mauled to death. Needless to say i keep multiple ww2 combat knifes on my at arms reach when alone in the woods after that. I dont really fear them anymore, as long as im well prepared.
and ive personally seen them in the wild three times so far in my lifetime.
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rev0kadavur said: #1 thing that scares me, Mountain Lions.. -because you usually never see them until its too late... they stalk and are masters at being stealthy... bears, moose, boars, snakes, ticks, etc, None of them stalk their prey with the persistence of a lion, though bears can be very fucking stealthy.. however, if I lived closer to wolves I would be even more afraid of them... Lots of coyotes around here too, but not really worried about them.... all the other critters around here are not worrisome.
they're nocturnal!
but I've seen them in the day time
quick 180 and go home. thats it for me!
Well, when you hunt at night its extra scary... but they are not all that nocturnal, like they are supposed to be... maybe it has something to do with human activity/development? -i dunno. -but they are known to have attacked people during the day light hours.. most reports are from day-time attacks.
I have done quite a bit of night hunting... Really wish I could afford some nice thermal-optics... highly sensitive ones that can read the thermal signatures of fungi.
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OregonBlueShroom said: Mountain lions are about the only thing that i have a respectfull fear of while alone in the woods in my parts. Its probably because i had a dream once where i tried to fight a mountain lion with my bare hands and got mauled to death. Needless to say i keep multiple ww2 combat knifes on my at arms reach when alone in the woods after that. I dont really fear them anymore, as long as im well prepared.
and ive personally seen them in the wild three times so far in my lifetime.
I am always prepared with my quick-drawl blade... I even wear it kayaking in the unlikely case a white shark comes my way. lol.
-but I have yet to see a lion in person... but I am always finding their tracks and scat.
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Re: Random things you have found in the woods [Re: MadMuncher]
#19594689 - 02/20/14 01:08 PM (9 years, 11 months ago) |
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I didn't even remember you'd have cougars there. Damn, I think that the thing that scares me the most if I'm alone is really humans
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Re: Random things you have found in the woods [Re: rev0kadavur]
#19594694 - 02/20/14 01:09 PM (9 years, 11 months ago) |
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rev0kadavur said: however, if I lived closer to wolves I would be even more afraid of them...
Wolves are not all that bad. They have a nasty reputation, but I don't believe they live up to it. There is a large colony in the mountains behind my city, with snow that becomes very obvious. But otherwise, we barely notice them. There hasn't been an attack in decades, and they'll only attack humans if they are absolutely starving. A couple sheep and dogs have been killed last winter, and I've been stalked by 5 of them. It's quite an amazing feeling, knowing 5 starving wolves are circling you, each one several hundred yards away. And the fact they could be standing next to you in the blink of an eye, and tearing you to shreds before you know what's happening. Really makes you feel alive, the clarity, the flow, the fear, it's simply amazing. But they don't, they are actually hoping people will leave behind some food, as that is a popular hiking spot. Pumas sound much more frightening to me, but I've only seen them in documentaries, so their reputation could be exaggerated as well.
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Re: Random things you have found in the woods [Re: rev0kadavur]
#19594715 - 02/20/14 01:15 PM (9 years, 11 months ago) |
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rev0kadavur said: #1 thing that scares me, Mountain Lions.. -because you usually never see them until its too late... they stalk and are masters at being stealthy... bears, moose, boars, snakes, ticks, etc, None of them stalk their prey with the persistence of a lion, though bears can be very fucking stealthy.. however, if I lived closer to wolves I would be even more afraid of them... Lots of coyotes around here too, but not really worried about them.... all the other critters around here are not worrisome.
they're nocturnal!
but I've seen them in the day time
quick 180 and go home. thats it for me!
Well, when you hunt at night its extra scary... but they are not all that nocturnal, like they are supposed to be... maybe it has something to do with human activity/development? -i dunno. -but they are known to have attacked people during the day light hours.. most reports are from day-time attacks.
I have done quite a bit of night hunting... Really wish I could afford some nice thermal-optics... highly sensitive ones that can read the thermal signatures of fungi.
that'd be dope! mushroom vision
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Re: Random things you have found in the woods [Re: Tangich]
#19594727 - 02/20/14 01:18 PM (9 years, 11 months ago) |
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rev0kadavur said: however, if I lived closer to wolves I would be even more afraid of them...
Wolves are not all that bad. They have a nasty reputation, but I don't believe they live up to it. There is a large colony in the mountains behind my city, with snow that becomes very obvious. But otherwise, we barely notice them. There hasn't been an attack in decades, and they'll only attack humans if they are absolutely starving. A couple sheep and dogs have been killed last winter, and I've been stalked by 5 of them. It's quite an amazing feeling, knowing 5 starving wolves are circling you, each one several hundred yards away. And the fact they could be standing next to you in the blink of an eye, and tearing you to shreds before you know what's happening. Really makes you feel alive, the clarity, the flow, the fear, it's simply amazing. But they don't, they are actually hoping people will leave behind some food, as that is a popular hiking spot. Pumas sound much more frightening to me, but I've only seen them in documentaries, so their reputation could be exaggerated as well.
my uncle has a story when he was stationed in alaska. whenever they left base they were required to bring their rifles with them at all times. they go out for a walk the two of them to get some exercise. Walking along he looks behind him and sees cross tracks of a wolf pack crossing back and forth through the snow along the tree line from their path. needless to say they booked it the fuck back to base.
its got to be pretty sobering to be stalked by wolves.
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Re: Random things you have found in the woods [Re: pouihi]
#19594754 - 02/20/14 01:25 PM (9 years, 11 months ago) |
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I have encountered bears before, but I have to say that it was a calming experience... makes me feel much less afraid, because they are generally more afraid of us.... when we have been bothered by bears camping, loud noises work very well, but sometimes it takes several attempts to get the bear to actually leave for the night... i would never rely on bear spray, I would prefer a .45 or .50 cal... very loud and effective deterrent, but possibly lethal and more reliable protection if absolutely needed.
However, in the case of JAS's friend Rob, he was mauled in Yosemite while sleeping next to his campfire... he just happened to wake up, roll over to toss another log on the dying fire while there was a Mother Brown bear and her 2 Cubs there, he was in the middle and didn't even know it.. He was very lucky to have survived. His friends were sleeping in their tents when the attack occurred and awoke in time to chase the bears away...
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Re: Random things you have found in the woods [Re: Tangich]
#19594778 - 02/20/14 01:31 PM (9 years, 11 months ago) |
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Its less about their reputation and more about their physically capabilities and pack-hunting mentality.... just like coyotes, but bigger and more powerful... hearing a pack of wolves while out mushroom hunting would be the last thing I wanted to hear... but at least its something to hear verses them being there and not hearing anything at all, lol... California did have its first wild wolf return a few years ago... while it may be scary to encounter one alone in the forest, I highly advocate the reintroduction of them to lands they should have never been removed from... I would like to see the Elk released from the reservations and heavily protected until they settle out and re-populate... I hope that Grizzly's return to CA someday, speshully since they are on our state flag and all~
Even though it might be scary, i would much rather die as lion food than in a car accident on the freeway.
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Re: Random things you have found in the woods [Re: rev0kadavur]
#19594803 - 02/20/14 01:38 PM (9 years, 11 months ago) |
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Grizzlys got a long way to go to get to cali. It would be awesome though. The black bears do fine
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Re: Random things you have found in the woods [Re: bloodworm]
#19594827 - 02/20/14 01:44 PM (9 years, 11 months ago) |
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bloodworm said: black widows and brown recluse spiders are pretty dangerous man. lol.
not something to really be worried about...but...not something you want to test either.
Might help to actually have read the link...
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Fact: There is no spider species anywhere that can properly be called "deadly." Obviously, a few people have died from spider venom, but I know of no species anywhere on earth capable of causing death in humans in as much as 10% of cases, even if untreated. If the person bitten obtains medical aid, death from genuine spider bite ("mystery bites" falsely blamed on spiders don't count) is almost unknown in North America and a decided rarity worldwide.
Sure, a black widow or brown recluse bite is not pleasant, but nearly enough to consider them dangerous. I'd be more worried about this in FL. Especially when you don't even have any recluse spiders in your area.
http://bugguide.net/node/view/33527
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Re: Random things you have found in the woods [Re: rev0kadavur]
#19594840 - 02/20/14 01:47 PM (9 years, 11 months ago) |
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rev0kadavur said: I hope that Grizzly's return to CA someday, speshully since they are on our state flag and all~
Ha, I had no idea that the Californian grizzly was an entirely different subspecies! And one of the largest at that, up to 2,300 pounds!  Our brown bears are less aggressive than grizzlys, but a pissed off momma bear with cubs is equally scary everywhere.
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Re: Random things you have found in the woods [Re: Byrain]
#19594867 - 02/20/14 01:54 PM (9 years, 11 months ago) |
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bloodworm said: black widows and brown recluse spiders are pretty dangerous man. lol.
not something to really be worried about...but...not something you want to test either.
Might help to actually have read the link...
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Fact: There is no spider species anywhere that can properly be called "deadly." Obviously, a few people have died from spider venom, but I know of no species anywhere on earth capable of causing death in humans in as much as 10% of cases, even if untreated. If the person bitten obtains medical aid, death from genuine spider bite ("mystery bites" falsely blamed on spiders don't count) is almost unknown in North America and a decided rarity worldwide.
Sure, a black widow or brown recluse bite is not pleasant, but nearly enough to consider them dangerous. I'd be more worried about this in FL. Especially when you don't even have any recluse spiders in your area.
http://bugguide.net/node/view/33527
you want me to read the whole web page before i respond? i do not understand.
the moth is fucking gross looking. that is Pinellas county...like 3 hrs from Gainesville. used to live there actually...
brown recluse spiders do exist here.
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Re: Random things you have found in the woods [Re: Tangich]
#19594874 - 02/20/14 01:56 PM (9 years, 11 months ago) |
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Tangich said: Our brown bears are less aggressive than grizzlys, but a pissed off momma bear with cubs is equally scary everywhere.
sometimes i wake up with one in my bed..
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Re: Random things you have found in the woods [Re: bloodworm]
#19594918 - 02/20/14 02:07 PM (9 years, 11 months ago) |
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bloodworm said: brown recluse spiders do exist here.
Except they don't. I didn't link you to a whole page, only a few paragraphs, a quick glance would have shown that only a little was relevant.
You probably will want to read this.
http://entnemdept.ufl.edu/creatures/urban/spiders/brown_recluse_spider.htm
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The brown recluse spider, Loxosceles reclusa Gertsch & Mulaik, is frequently reported in Florida as a cause of necrotic lesions in humans. For example, in the year 2000 alone, Loft (2001) reported that the Florida Poison Control Network had recorded nearly 300 alleged cases of brown recluse bites in the state; a subset of 95 of these bites was reported in the 21 counties (essentially Central Florida) under the jurisdiction of the regional poison control center in Tampa. I called the Florida Poison Control Network to confirm these numbers, and was cited 182 total cases and 96 in the Tampa region. The actual numbers are less important than the fact that a significant number of unconfirmed brown recluse spider bites are reported in the state every year. Yet not one specimen of brown recluse spider has ever been collected in Tampa, and the only records of Loxosceles species in the entire region are from Orlando and vicinity. A general review of the brown recluse, along with a critical examination of the known distribution of brown recluse and related spiders in Florida, seems in order at this time.
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In summary, the verified records of brown recluse and related spiders in the state are limited to the following eight out of 67 Florida counties: Alachua, Bay (Callaway), Dade (Lemon City), Duval (Jacksonville), Jefferson (Monticello), Leon (Tallahassee), Orange (Orlando) and Osceola (Runnymede). The more northern counties (Alachua, Bay, Duval, Jefferson and Leon) were all isolated records of the native brown recluse, L. reclusa, whereas the more southern county records (Dade, Orange and Osceola) were of the introduced Mediterranean recluse, L. rufescens. The Alachua, Dade and Jefferson county records were interceptions of single specimens. The Bay, Duval, Leon, Orange and Osceola county records were infestations in one or two buildings. There is no evidence to support either the notion that a widespread population of brown recluse spiders exists in Florida or that there are numerous introductions of brown recluse into the state. Therefore, there is no reason to assume that frequent interactions between brown recluse and humans occur in Florida. Subsequent to the original publication of this work (as a DPI Entomology Circular), L. rufescens was found in a warehouse in Escambia County, Florida; and Loxosceles laeta (Nicolet), the Chilean recluse spider, was found in a home in Polk County, Florida (Edwards 2002a).
I have personally identified several hundred Florida spiders submitted for identification by the public, and only one specimen (the Bay County record) proved to be a brown recluse spider. In addition, I have seen thousands of Florida spiders submitted by professional biologists and inspectors, with only the few specimens mentioned above proving to be members of the genus Loxosceles. It appears obvious to me that the chance of interaction between brown recluse spiders and people in Florida is close to nil, agreeing with Vetter's (2000) assessment of reported brown recluse bites outside the natural range of the spider. Medical personnel should, therefore, consider a multitude of more likely causes (see below) before diagnosing and treating a necrotic wound as a brown recluse bite.
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Re: Random things you have found in the woods [Re: Byrain]
#19594926 - 02/20/14 02:09 PM (9 years, 11 months ago) |
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bloodworm said: brown recluse spiders do exist here.
Except they don't. I didn't link you to a whole page, only a few paragraphs, a quick glance would have shown that only a little was relevant.
You probably will want to read this.
http://entnemdept.ufl.edu/creatures/urban/spiders/brown_recluse_spider.htm
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The brown recluse spider, Loxosceles reclusa Gertsch & Mulaik, is frequently reported in Florida as a cause of necrotic lesions in humans. For example, in the year 2000 alone, Loft (2001) reported that the Florida Poison Control Network had recorded nearly 300 alleged cases of brown recluse bites in the state; a subset of 95 of these bites was reported in the 21 counties (essentially Central Florida) under the jurisdiction of the regional poison control center in Tampa. I called the Florida Poison Control Network to confirm these numbers, and was cited 182 total cases and 96 in the Tampa region. The actual numbers are less important than the fact that a significant number of unconfirmed brown recluse spider bites are reported in the state every year. Yet not one specimen of brown recluse spider has ever been collected in Tampa, and the only records of Loxosceles species in the entire region are from Orlando and vicinity. A general review of the brown recluse, along with a critical examination of the known distribution of brown recluse and related spiders in Florida, seems in order at this time.
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In summary, the verified records of brown recluse and related spiders in the state are limited to the following eight out of 67 Florida counties: Alachua, Bay (Callaway), Dade (Lemon City), Duval (Jacksonville), Jefferson (Monticello), Leon (Tallahassee), Orange (Orlando) and Osceola (Runnymede). The more northern counties (Alachua, Bay, Duval, Jefferson and Leon) were all isolated records of the native brown recluse, L. reclusa, whereas the more southern county records (Dade, Orange and Osceola) were of the introduced Mediterranean recluse, L. rufescens. The Alachua, Dade and Jefferson county records were interceptions of single specimens. The Bay, Duval, Leon, Orange and Osceola county records were infestations in one or two buildings. There is no evidence to support either the notion that a widespread population of brown recluse spiders exists in Florida or that there are numerous introductions of brown recluse into the state. Therefore, there is no reason to assume that frequent interactions between brown recluse and humans occur in Florida. Subsequent to the original publication of this work (as a DPI Entomology Circular), L. rufescens was found in a warehouse in Escambia County, Florida; and Loxosceles laeta (Nicolet), the Chilean recluse spider, was found in a home in Polk County, Florida (Edwards 2002a).
I have personally identified several hundred Florida spiders submitted for identification by the public, and only one specimen (the Bay County record) proved to be a brown recluse spider. In addition, I have seen thousands of Florida spiders submitted by professional biologists and inspectors, with only the few specimens mentioned above proving to be members of the genus Loxosceles. It appears obvious to me that the chance of interaction between brown recluse spiders and people in Florida is close to nil, agreeing with Vetter's (2000) assessment of reported brown recluse bites outside the natural range of the spider. Medical personnel should, therefore, consider a multitude of more likely causes (see below) before diagnosing and treating a necrotic wound as a brown recluse bite.
"In summary, the verified records of brown recluse and related spiders in the state are limited to the following eight out of 67 Florida counties: Alachua"
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Byrain

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Re: Random things you have found in the woods [Re: bloodworm]
#19594934 - 02/20/14 02:10 PM (9 years, 11 months ago) |
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Nice job cherry picking, go on continue reading.
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Re: Random things you have found in the woods [Re: Byrain]
#19594944 - 02/20/14 02:11 PM (9 years, 11 months ago) |
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Byrain said: Nice job cherry picking, go on continue reading.
dood. i work in one of the best hospitals in the country. i worked in trauma for a number of years. i now work in area where i know everything that happens... plenty of people get bit by recluse spiders here.
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Byrain

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Re: Random things you have found in the woods [Re: bloodworm]
#19594976 - 02/20/14 02:16 PM (9 years, 11 months ago) |
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And its a well documented fact that many hospitals misidentify spider bites all the time.
"I called the Florida Poison Control Network to confirm these numbers, and was cited 182 total cases and 96 in the Tampa region. The actual numbers are less important than the fact that a significant number of unconfirmed brown recluse spider bites are reported in the state every year. Yet not one specimen of brown recluse spider has ever been collected in Tampa"
Also, the first myth here is relevant. http://www.burkemuseum.org/spidermyth/myths/byitsbite.html
Edit: Also, that moth is in Gainesville too...
http://bugguide.net/node/view/7213
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