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Larger Farms
    #18836053 - 09/13/13 08:53 AM (10 years, 4 months ago)

So I have experienced this myself and have spoken with many people about it that have had the same experience.  I have found that you cant grow more than 2-3 lbs in a location with mono's.  The logistics of it and just rash outbreaks of contams makes a larger farm at on location hard to maintain.  Id like to do about 10+ lbs a month at one location instead of having to move all over to accomplish it.

Please be experienced in running a large farm before posting, and if your gonna suggest mono's you must be doing something different because ive spoken to 5-6 scale growers about this and they have the same issues as I have had with anything over 3 lbs.

So how do you do it?


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Re: Larger Farms [Re: PrinceShroom]
    #18836070 - 09/13/13 09:02 AM (10 years, 4 months ago)

I've had some decent results with my setup when I'm not too lazy to fill it :shrug:

In my experience, greenhouse is the best solution if quantity is your thing. I run a greenhouse and monos.



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Re: Larger Farms [Re: PrinceShroom]
    #18836082 - 09/13/13 09:06 AM (10 years, 4 months ago)

Follow Frank's tek for a GH.

If you want to grow in bulk and don't want to tend to 10+ monotubs, this seems the best way to do so.

Yes, it will cost you up front. But, producing 10 lbs of any mushroom should bring in a little change to offset that start-up cost.

The wick-type humidifier is essential(the one on the bottom of the GH), it provides your FAE. I tried rigging computer fans and all that but after failing to do so I just bought the wick-type humidifier (which I was trying to avoid) and will never look back.

It's a little tricky dialing in the GH at first, but once you figure it out literally all you have to do is re-fill humidifier tanks and pick mushrooms.

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Re: Larger Farms [Re: Midnight Cyclone]
    #18836095 - 09/13/13 09:10 AM (10 years, 4 months ago)

Yea ive done GH's they are ok but not to what I need. id to do 10 of them to get 10 lbs a month and  thats a PITA.  Sure I need to do alot of work to produce that much monthly but Im looking to make it as easy as possible on me.  Setting up 10 GH's in the beginning is going to be frustrating in the beginning as fuck.  There has to b an easier way


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Re: Larger Farms [Re: PrinceShroom]
    #18836110 - 09/13/13 09:16 AM (10 years, 4 months ago)

If it takes you ten well built greenhouses to get high yield, there's something wrong.


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Re: Larger Farms [Re: Trippy_Penguin]
    #18836118 - 09/13/13 09:19 AM (10 years, 4 months ago)

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If it takes you ten well built greenhouses to get high yield, there's something wrong.



I havent done a GH in 4 years I forget what I was getting as per yield I was just making a guess.


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Re: Larger Farms [Re: Trippy_Penguin]
    #18836120 - 09/13/13 09:20 AM (10 years, 4 months ago)

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If it takes you ten well built greenhouses to get high yield, there's something wrong.




:whathesaid:



I get about a pound per tier.

At that rate, it should take 2, maybe 3 greenhouses.

You're looking at a start-up cost of $50-100 per GH, depending on how "bargainy" you shop.


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Re: Larger Farms [Re: Midnight Cyclone]
    #18836130 - 09/13/13 09:23 AM (10 years, 4 months ago)

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If it takes you ten well built greenhouses to get high yield, there's something wrong.




I get about a pound per tier.

At that rate, it should take 2, maybe 3 greenhouses.

You're looking at a start-up cost of $50-100 per GH, depending on how "bargainy" you shop.



Hmm thats alot more feasible.  A lb a tier thats one flush or the final run of the trays?

Im a cheap ass bastard so it will be on the cheaper end I know.


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Re: Larger Farms [Re: PrinceShroom]
    #18836136 - 09/13/13 09:25 AM (10 years, 4 months ago)

For 10lbs a month - isolating good genetics (prolific fruiting, dense fruits, etc.) is going to be just as important as the grow setup.

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I get about a pound per tier.




Dry weight?



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Re: Larger Farms [Re: mycomattie]
    #18836149 - 09/13/13 09:27 AM (10 years, 4 months ago)

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For 10lbs a month - isolating good genetics (prolific fruiting, dense fruits, etc.) is going to be just as important as the grow setup.



I got that covered.  My genetics are good.  Its a pretty simple step take a pin from a nice cluster and try out all the iso's fr the clone till you find the highest yielding


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Re: Larger Farms [Re: PrinceShroom]
    #18836165 - 09/13/13 09:31 AM (10 years, 4 months ago)

I'd say that's through 2 flushes.

Remember not to get lazy. I know it sounds like, "duh" but seriously, it's easy to fall behind. You have high expectations, and I don't want you to be discouraged because you might not be able to keep up with what you'd like.

And just remember that you're gonna be needing a LOT of space for this. If you could dedicate an entire room that would be best because you're gonna have a TON of supplies, and you're gonna need work-space too.

I'd suggest moving to agar and getting ahold of that before you start this adventure. Isolation and sectoring will help you produce better fruits, better pinsets, and agar also is the sure-fire way of knowing that you're using clean inoculant.

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I get about a pound per tier.




Dry weight?






Yeah, give or take. I pull about 2 ounces per tray, 3 trays per tier, and 2 flushes per tray.

2x3x2=12+- ounces per tier. Close enough.


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Re: Larger Farms [Re: Midnight Cyclone]
    #18836182 - 09/13/13 09:36 AM (10 years, 4 months ago)

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I'd say that's through 2 flushes.

Remember not to get lazy. I know it sounds like, "duh" but seriously, it's easy to fall behind. You have high expectations, and I don't want you to be discouraged because you might not be able to keep up with what you'd like.

And just remember that you're gonna be needing a LOT of room for this. If you could dedicate an entire room that would be best because you're gonna have a TON of supplies.

I'd suggest moving to agar and getting ahold of that before you start this adventure. Isolation and sectoring will help you produce better fruits, better pinsets, agar also is the sure-fire way of knowing that you're using clean spawn.



Thanks for the advice.  I already have a closet and a half just in supplies plus my hood and other shit all over my house.  Plus my grow space.  Ive used agar for five yrs now im well aware of the benefits.


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Re: Larger Farms [Re: Midnight Cyclone]
    #18836198 - 09/13/13 09:42 AM (10 years, 4 months ago)

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Remember not to get lazy. I know it sounds like, "duh" but seriously, it's easy to fall behind. You have high expectations, and I don't want you to be discouraged because you might not be able to keep up with what you'd like.




Speaking of being lazy I should gt the fuck off of shroomery and do some work :lol:


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Re: Larger Farms [Re: PrinceShroom]
    #18836202 - 09/13/13 09:44 AM (10 years, 4 months ago)

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Speaking of being lazy I should gt the fuck off of shroomery and do some work :lol:




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Re: Larger Farms [Re: PrinceShroom]
    #18836219 - 09/13/13 09:48 AM (10 years, 4 months ago)

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Remember not to get lazy. I know it sounds like, "duh" but seriously, it's easy to fall behind. You have high expectations, and I don't want you to be discouraged because you might not be able to keep up with what you'd like.




Speaking of being lazy I should gt the fuck off of shroomery and do some work :lol:



hah. I know the feeling..


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Re: Larger Farms [Re: Midnight Cyclone]
    #18836246 - 09/13/13 09:59 AM (10 years, 4 months ago)

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I'd say that's through 2 flushes.

Remember not to get lazy. I know it sounds like, "duh" but seriously, it's easy to fall behind. You have high expectations, and I don't want you to be discouraged because you might not be able to keep up with what you'd like.

And just remember that you're gonna be needing a LOT of space for this. If you could dedicate an entire room that would be best because you're gonna have a TON of supplies, and you're gonna need work-space too.

I'd suggest moving to agar and getting ahold of that before you start this adventure. Isolation and sectoring will help you produce better fruits, better pinsets, and agar also is the sure-fire way of knowing that you're using clean inoculant.

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I get about a pound per tier.




Dry weight?






Yeah, give or take. I pull about 2 ounces per tray, 3 trays per tier, and 2 flushes per tray.

2x3x2=12+- ounces per tier. Close enough.




Nice - I only ask because I have a 4 tier GH recently setup, but have yet to use it!


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Re: Larger Farms [Re: Roman08640]
    #18836255 - 09/13/13 10:01 AM (10 years, 4 months ago)

I don't see why you can't get like 10 lbs with enough monos in one place. Might need like 20 or more but if you had the space......


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Re: Larger Farms [Re: DeadPhan]
    #18836273 - 09/13/13 10:07 AM (10 years, 4 months ago)

Monos aren't practical as the space. For rotational issues why not spawn run in small tubs, then take the blocks out, fruit them in a GH, and immediately start colonizing more in said tub?

For 10lbs a month the name of the game is constant, constant, constant rotation. Wether it be monos, trays in a GH, blocks, etc. My argument for blocks is you'll have 6 sides to fruit from and will exhaust your substrate a lot faster in theory.


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Re: Larger Farms [Re: DeadPhan]
    #18836280 - 09/13/13 10:09 AM (10 years, 4 months ago)

Just curious - how ~ long would it take to get a 10lbs/month grow rolling (consistently)?  It would have to be a "sea of green" type of grow(?) With X amount of quarts colonizing at one time / X amount of bulk subs colonizing at one time / and X amount of bulk subs fruiting at one time - repeat, month in month out.

Someone should write a Tek....


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Re: Larger Farms [Re: mycomattie]
    #18836288 - 09/13/13 10:13 AM (10 years, 4 months ago)

Someone here wrote a tek. Then got busted early this year in Ohio with 137 lbs. Google Ohio shroom bust, think his name was trix or something similar.

Anywho to get that large of a setup through a single rotation it would take roughly 6 weeks.

Same as anything else really. That's assuming he goes from spores to finished product. If he goes agar or G2G it can be easily done in 4. But it would involve constant rotation as you said. And a big ass pc if op doesn't wanna have to pc all day everyday, also a bulk pasteurizer.


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Re: Larger Farms [Re: mycomattie]
    #18836297 - 09/13/13 10:18 AM (10 years, 4 months ago)

I dont think many people can this amount at one location. Even keeping up with 2-3 lbs a month w monos is hard IME.  A lot harder than you would think.  Ive went into a room of monos and as soon as I opened the door I knew I was fuct I could smell it in the air.  40 mono's all trich'd out in the space of a day and it seems to happen alot.  Thats why I am staying away from them now.

To get 2-3 lbs a month I am doing 10 monos a wk in a sog sort of setup for shrooms.  Thats a 10 jar run a day.  Even more because of the fact I have to overgrow 2-3 lbs cause I am expected to produce at least so much a month and there are high chances of failure so I try to grow more but fuck its hard.  Ive been doing this for the past four years I know what I am talking about and I have talked to other scale growers and they can barely produce what I am or more.


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Re: Larger Farms [Re: maddchef]
    #18836310 - 09/13/13 10:23 AM (10 years, 4 months ago)

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Someone here wrote a tek. Then got busted early this year in Ohio with 137 lbs. Google Ohio shroom bust, think his name was trix or something similar.

Anywho to get that large of a setup through a single rotation it would take roughly 6 weeks.

Same as anything else really. That's assuming he goes from spores to finished product. If he goes agar or G2G it can be easily done in 4. But it would involve constant rotation as you said. And a big ass pc if op doesn't wanna have to pc all day everyday, also a bulk pasteurizer.




Hoy shit - WOW!

Thanks for the clarification - sounds like that large of a scale grow would almost be a full time job?


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Re: Larger Farms [Re: mycomattie]
    #18836314 - 09/13/13 10:24 AM (10 years, 4 months ago)

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Someone here wrote a tek. Then got busted early this year in Ohio with 137 lbs. Google Ohio shroom bust, think his name was trix or something similar.

Anywho to get that large of a setup through a single rotation it would take roughly 6 weeks.

Same as anything else really. That's assuming he goes from spores to finished product. If he goes agar or G2G it can be easily done in 4. But it would involve constant rotation as you said. And a big ass pc if op doesn't wanna have to pc all day everyday, also a bulk pasteurizer.




Hoy shit - WOW!

Thanks for the clarification - sounds like that large of a scale grow would almost be a full time job?



It is. I am a slave to the grow!!!!!!!!!!!!


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Re: Larger Farms [Re: PrinceShroom]
    #18836319 - 09/13/13 10:26 AM (10 years, 4 months ago)

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I dont think many people can this amount at one location. Even keeping up with 2-3 lbs a month w monos is hard IME.  A lot harder than you would think.  Ive went into a room of monos and as soon as I opened the door I knew I was fuct I could smell it in the air.  40 mono's all trich'd out in the space of a day and it seems to happen alot.  Thats why I am staying away from them now.

To get 2-3 lbs a month I am doing 10 monos a wk in a sog sort of setup for shrooms.  Thats a 10 jar run a day.  Even more because of the fact I have to overgrow 2-3 lbs cause I am expected to produce at least so much a month and there are high chances of failure so I try to grow more but fuck its hard.  Ive been doing this for the past four years I know what I am talking about and I have talked to other scale growers and they can barely produce what I am or more.




I definitely don't doubt you dude!

Wow - seems like a lot of pressure to grow/produce those yields consistently!  With that being said, I'd never doubt your ability - cheers!


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Re: Larger Farms [Re: maddchef]
    #18836361 - 09/13/13 10:39 AM (10 years, 4 months ago)

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Someone here wrote a tek. Then got busted early this year in Ohio with 137 lbs. Google Ohio shroom bust, think his name was trix or something similar.

Anywho to get that large of a setup through a single rotation it would take roughly 6 weeks.

Same as anything else really. That's assuming he goes from spores to finished product. If he goes agar or G2G it can be easily done in 4. But it would involve constant rotation as you said. And a big ass pc if op doesn't wanna have to pc all day everyday, also a bulk pasteurizer.




Do you think the writing of the tek contributed to his bust?  Or just shady associations.  Either way, I'd like to think Leo wouldn't come snooping unless they though it was such large scale.  :paranoid:


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Re: Larger Farms [Re: DeadPhan]
    #18836371 - 09/13/13 10:41 AM (10 years, 4 months ago)

I wish we were able to get the story behind such busts like wether someone had a big mouth, got snitched out, busted elsewhere and led Leo back to said place of grow, or, worst of all, being monitored, possibly from nothing other than online activity.


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Re: Larger Farms [Re: DeadPhan]
    #18836376 - 09/13/13 10:42 AM (10 years, 4 months ago)

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Someone here wrote a tek. Then got busted early this year in Ohio with 137 lbs. Google Ohio shroom bust, think his name was trix or something similar.

Anywho to get that large of a setup through a single rotation it would take roughly 6 weeks.

Same as anything else really. That's assuming he goes from spores to finished product. If he goes agar or G2G it can be easily done in 4. But it would involve constant rotation as you said. And a big ass pc if op doesn't wanna have to pc all day everyday, also a bulk pasteurizer.




Do you think the writing of the tek contributed to his bust?  Or just shady associations.  Either way, I'd like to think Leo wouldn't come snooping unless they though it was such large scale.  :paranoid:



Id like to know too now that I posted this lol I am glad I live in a pretty tolerant country to drugs thankfully


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Re: Larger Farms [Re: PrinceShroom]
    #18836406 - 09/13/13 10:52 AM (10 years, 4 months ago)

Supposedly cops were called to the location on an attempted break in call. Probably bs used to gain access to the premises. Who knows how they got it.

Just goes to show if you go big, post about going big, the leos that live here will want to congratulate you on your grow.


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Re: Larger Farms [Re: maddchef]
    #18836450 - 09/13/13 11:03 AM (10 years, 4 months ago)

I pull 10+ a month off my monotubs.

They work great :shrug:


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Re: Larger Farms [Re: FrankHorrigan]
    #18836520 - 09/13/13 11:20 AM (10 years, 4 months ago)



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Re: Larger Farms [Re: mycomattie]
    #18836697 - 09/13/13 12:05 PM (10 years, 4 months ago)

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I pull 10  a month off my monotubs.

They work great :shrug:



Yea it must be nice.
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    #18836752 - 09/13/13 12:15 PM (10 years, 4 months ago)

I don't know about "nice" being the best word for it...more like a shit ton of work if I want to ensure success from start to finish.

I have had every contam problem under the sun.

Every kind of green, pink, black mold, bacterial slime, everything. On bulk, grains, in the greenhouse, etc.

I live in a house with four animals and the wife.

I once lost 24 tubs to trich in the same room I still use today.

I use the procedures I write about in my sig and my issues have been reduced to almost none.

It can be done. What fruiting chamber you choose to use is still going to be prone to all the same problems.


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Here is how I get things done.
You should take a look. :hehehe:


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Re: Larger Farms [Re: FrankHorrigan]
    #18837192 - 09/13/13 02:27 PM (10 years, 4 months ago)

Lots and lots of work...listen to frank, it is more than doable but it helps if you are smart and can listen to people on here.

Good luck with your venture.
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Re: Larger Farms [Re: FrankHorrigan]
    #18837413 - 09/13/13 03:31 PM (10 years, 4 months ago)

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FrankHorrigan said:
I pull 10+ a month off my monotubs.

They work great :shrug:




Yeah, something doesn't quite add up with all of it.  With good genetics and running 10 tubs a week continuously I can't see 10lbs being too tough to get with proper diligence and time.  If you're having that much contamination issues there is most definitely something wrong with your procedure somewhere.


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Re: Larger Farms [Re: FrankHorrigan]
    #18837764 - 09/13/13 05:02 PM (10 years, 4 months ago)

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maddchef said:
Monos aren't practical as the space. For rotational issues why not spawn run in small tubs, then take the blocks out, fruit them in a GH, and immediately start colonizing more in said tub?

For 10lbs a month the name of the game is constant, constant, constant rotation. Wether it be monos, trays in a GH, blocks, etc. My argument for blocks is you'll have 6 sides to fruit from and will exhaust your substrate a lot faster in theory.




This is good. What I do is I use spawn bags. Use the bags for the colonization of the substrate. Once it's fully colonized just knead the bag to loosen the substrate and pour into a tray. If you're planning to use Al trays, be sure to use a liner or the myc will eat through the Al.

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PrinceShroom said:
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FrankHorrigan said:
I pull 10  a month off my monotubs.

They work great :shrug:



Yea it must be nice.
I have spoken to other growers and they have had the same issue as me.



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FrankHorrigan said:
I don't know about "nice" being the best word for it...more like a shit ton of work if I want to ensure success from start to finish.

I have had every contam problem under the sun.

Every kind of green, pink, black mold, bacterial slime, everything. On bulk, grains, in the greenhouse, etc.

I live in a house with four animals and the wife.

I once lost 24 tubs to trich in the same room I still use today.

I use the procedures I write about in my sig and my issues have been reduced to almost none.

It can be done. What fruiting chamber you choose to use is still going to be prone to all the same problems.




This. Like Frank said, "nice" doesn't quite describe the "problem" with trying to run 10 lbs a month. It's a part time job if not full time trying to produce a constant quantity like that.

You're going to get contams. There just isn't a way around that. Sooner or later something will sneak in and test your patience. Just gotta persevere and all will work out. Follow all necessary sterile procedures, and be sure to always be "clean" (at least washing your hands) before you do any kind of work with mush.

If you've already mastered agar, then there should be nothing standing in your way. Good luck and keep us posted!


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