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Cpt.Crunch
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Liner on JUST the bottom of the monotub
#18834432 - 09/12/13 09:18 PM (10 years, 5 months ago) |
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I have been told by many to "just put a liner"
But unless somebody has a video showing me how to do it I will not understand. I'm just slow, sorry.
I really wouldn't mind having side pins, but bottom pins sound scary..
So would putting a black plastic bag liner on JUST the bottom of the monotub work to prevent bottom pins??
Instead of the normal monotub liner procedeure, I would just place a plastic bag liner on the bottom inside the tub and then maybe 1 inch up each side.
Would this work to reduce bottom pins? It's better than nothing right?
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Re: Liner on JUST the bottom of the monotub [Re: Cpt.Crunch]
#18834448 - 09/12/13 09:21 PM (10 years, 5 months ago) |
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On the bottom and the sides of the substrate....one just one the bottom is not going to work that well.
It is better than nothing, but not even close to being ok.....I doubt it will stop all bottom pinning...
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Re: Liner on JUST the bottom of the monotub [Re: Cpt.Crunch]
#18834449 - 09/12/13 09:21 PM (10 years, 5 months ago) |
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just grab a trash bag and set it down.
then fill with the sub,
after that cut the remaining bag off with a razor.
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Re: Liner on JUST the bottom of the monotub [Re: nepter627]
#18834453 - 09/12/13 09:22 PM (10 years, 5 months ago) |
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Should I wipe the trash bag with alcohol to sterilize it before dumping in the substrate?
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Re: Liner on JUST the bottom of the monotub [Re: Cpt.Crunch]
#18834461 - 09/12/13 09:24 PM (10 years, 5 months ago) |
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No, alcohol does not sterilize....it sanitizes....and fruiting is not a sterile process.
And no....it should be sterile off the roll..
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Re: Liner on JUST the bottom of the monotub [Re: PussyFart]
#18834487 - 09/12/13 09:31 PM (10 years, 5 months ago) |
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Oh alright, thanks Notahacker420
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Re: Liner on JUST the bottom of the monotub [Re: PussyFart]
#18834519 - 09/12/13 09:39 PM (10 years, 5 months ago) |
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Notahacker420 said: No, alcohol does not sterilize....it sanitizes....and fruiting is not a sterile process.
And no....it should be sterile off the roll..
I was going to ask you the 2 differences but I took the liberty to look it up. Here's for everyone else!
Sterilization means removing all previous contaminants and protecting that instrument from contamination. Heat, particularly steam, is generally the most frequently used sterilization process. You eliminate all bacteria and debris.
Sanitation means protecting a surface from contaminants. So you sanitize combs, for instance, by dipping them in an antiseptic solution. You reduce the level of contaminants. You can sanitize your hands, you sterilize instruments.
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Re: Liner on JUST the bottom of the monotub [Re: Nice Ol Bud]
#18834535 - 09/12/13 09:43 PM (10 years, 5 months ago) |
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Re: Liner on JUST the bottom of the monotub [Re: Nice Ol Bud]
#18834542 - 09/12/13 09:44 PM (10 years, 5 months ago) |
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That's an important distinction by the way, props to these guys for pointing it out.
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Re: Liner on JUST the bottom of the monotub [Re: nepter627]
#18834553 - 09/12/13 09:47 PM (10 years, 5 months ago) |
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nepter627 said: just grab a trash bag and set it down.
then fill with the sub,
after that cut the remaining bag off with a razor.
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Re: Liner on JUST the bottom of the monotub [Re: PussyFart]
#18834634 - 09/12/13 10:05 PM (10 years, 5 months ago) |
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Notahacker420 said: And no....it should be sterile off the roll..
I've read this statement regarding garbage bags a couple of times now, and I'd like to mention that, having spent a couple of years manufacturing bags for a lot of different companies (Pretty much everyone except for Glad) that not only are none of the bags sterile, but I'd hesitate to even call them sanitary. Even the food-grade bulk bags produced for restaurant chains are made in an environment with absolutely no concern for preventing contamination of any kind. The doors were always open and people handled all product in street clothes with bare hands.
The only difference in brands or purpose was the composition of the plastic beads we used and how thick we made it. While it may be clean enough for most people here, I fully intend to wash any I use for liners.
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Re: Liner on JUST the bottom of the monotub [Re: hidyn]
#18834669 - 09/12/13 10:13 PM (10 years, 5 months ago) |
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Ok....I appreciate that.....and I beleive it.....but still, I wouldn't waste my time.
By the time you get it clean and lay it in the tub, it will become dirty again, from just being in the open air.
Pasteurized substrate is contam resistant anyways....so it really and honestly should not matter, off the roll should be clean enough as I have never had a problem that I could remember..
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Re: Liner on JUST the bottom of the monotub [Re: PussyFart]
#18834727 - 09/12/13 10:23 PM (10 years, 5 months ago) |
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Notahacker420 said: Ok....I appreciate that.....and I beleive it.....but still, I wouldn't waste my time.
By the time you get it clean and lay it in the tub, it will become dirty again, from just being in the open air.
Pasteurized substrate is contam resistant anyways....so it really and honestly should not matter, off the roll should be clean enough as I have never had a problem that I could remember..
What happens to be your preference of grain?
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Re: Liner on JUST the bottom of the monotub [Re: Nice Ol Bud]
#18834769 - 09/12/13 10:33 PM (10 years, 5 months ago) |
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WBS all the way...
Why you ask?
Because it's freaking cheap as shit, works great,can be prepoared without a simmer/boil, and provides plenty of inoculation points.
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Re: Liner on JUST the bottom of the monotub [Re: PussyFart]
#18834791 - 09/12/13 10:38 PM (10 years, 5 months ago) |
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Notahacker420 said: WBS all the way...
Why you ask?
Because it's freaking cheap as shit, works great,can be prepoared without a simmer/boil, and provides plenty of inoculation points.
Just like getting people's opinions! Especially the more edjumacated folk. No Soak & Simmer you say?!?
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Re: Liner on JUST the bottom of the monotub [Re: PussyFart]
#18834808 - 09/12/13 10:42 PM (10 years, 5 months ago) |
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Well... Maybe I'll just give them a quick once over with a sanitary wipe for my own peace of mind because I'm neurotic like that.
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Re: Liner on JUST the bottom of the monotub [Re: Nice Ol Bud]
#18835033 - 09/12/13 11:37 PM (10 years, 5 months ago) |
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Nice Ol Bud said: No Soak & Simmer you say?!?
Nope.....just a 24 hour soak in hot tap water, then I strain for 20-30 minutes and load up my jars...
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Re: Liner on JUST the bottom of the monotub [Re: PussyFart]
#18835058 - 09/12/13 11:45 PM (10 years, 5 months ago) |
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The seeds won't start to germinate? & Do you rinse and clean it of floaters and such?
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Re: Liner on JUST the bottom of the monotub [Re: Nice Ol Bud]
#18835067 - 09/12/13 11:47 PM (10 years, 5 months ago) |
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No, they will not germinate in hot water.
Yes, I rid it of all floaters and debris.
I rinse it with hot water in a big pot until the water runs clear, then soak it in hot water for about 24 hours.
Dump, strain, load, PC....
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Re: Liner on JUST the bottom of the monotub [Re: PussyFart]
#18835083 - 09/12/13 11:52 PM (10 years, 5 months ago) |
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Lets say I load the jars, and the grains were leaving wet spots against the glass, but no puddles on the bottom.. is that Ok before PCing? I'd imagine the PCing would suck that moister into the WBS.
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