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Re: Experienced Opinion Needed [Re: PussyFart]
    #18837044 - 09/13/13 01:45 PM (10 years, 4 months ago)

Alright I get it now.  It's got constant FAE but in a properly designed chamber the Fresh air is coming up through the perlite thus already being humid.  Okay I get it now.

For some reason I imagined fresh air coming in from all sides.


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Re: Experienced Opinion Needed [Re: PussyFart]
    #18837053 - 09/13/13 01:46 PM (10 years, 4 months ago)

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Fresh air comes into the chamber mixed in with the humidity.

The heat and humidity currents inside the chamber rise and flow out the top, while fresh air is constantly pulled up thru thru moist perlite, humidifying the chamber while getting fresh air.

This happens constantly, in a big circle.





Correct, you are explaining great and you touched base earlier - Properly Constructed SGFC. 

Sometimes this is an issue
Sometimes overly moist cakes
Induce pinning (remember a pinning trigger is also the constant moisture and evaporation of the surface)
The room humidity is too high in the room where the SGFC is kept

The list can go on and on....


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Re: Experienced Opinion Needed [Re: Warden]
    #18838667 - 09/13/13 08:35 PM (10 years, 4 months ago)

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What kind of strange smell? The only smell I ever noticed was the smell of fresh mushrooms and the smell of moisture(if you know what I mean by that).




I know the earthy smell you are talking about because they smelled like that after I birthed them. 

It is a little hard to describe the smell.  My girlfriend says it smells earthy, but I don't think I have ever smelled a smelly smell that smells like this smell.  I know that doesn't help but that's all I got.




If its nothing real distinct its hard for me or anyone to give you a decent guess. The best thing I can tell you to do is just watch for any color changed or wispy stuff growing in the bottom of your fruiting chamber. I may know what you mean but not for sure, if its what I think it may be sometimes I have had some nasty shit growing in the bottom of my chamber under the rocks or perlite and it kind of smelled sweet like yeast almost.

Just keep an eye on it is the best advice I can give you.


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Re: Experienced Opinion Needed [Re: MHbound]
    #18839318 - 09/13/13 11:11 PM (10 years, 4 months ago)

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If its nothing real distinct its hard for me or anyone to give you a decent guess. The best thing I can tell you to do is just watch for any color changed or wispy stuff growing in the bottom of your fruiting chamber. I may know what you mean but not for sure, if its what I think it may be sometimes I have had some nasty shit growing in the bottom of my chamber under the rocks or perlite and it kind of smelled sweet like yeast almost.

Just keep an eye on it is the best advice I can give you.




I know this smell.  Yes it smells like yeast.  From personal experience this is bacterial contamination that happens after birthing in the fruiting chamber.  Again this is just personal experience and I can't give definite answers from that but this to me is bacterial contamination and it can spread from the cake to the perlite to another cake.  In my chamber it got so bad I could see the contamination spreading across the perlite.

Although the cake fruited this time in the future when I smell this distinct smell from a particular cake I will probably toss it or burry it.  Eventually the cake looked like this. 


Some kind of bubble coming from it and it reeked of that yeast smell.  This was in an isolation SGFC that I keep for possibly contaminated cakes that I want to keep fruiting for a while so I let it go.

Eventually the bubble spread onto the perlite and an orange / tan growth continued to spread from that point across the perlite over the next two weeks.

Hypothesis of the cause:  This was my first time attempting fahtster's watering tek and I believe I put too much / over-saturated vermiculite on top of the cake.  The cake became waterlogged which allowed bacteria to multiply easily throughout the mycelium faster than it could evaporate / use the moisture and eventually took over and started 'yeasting' out of the cake riding on that unused / old water / moisture.

I don't know if that makes sense to anyone else but that's the best explanation I could come up with through subjective experience.  I tried a lot of different layers of vermiculite on top of the cakes and this one had the most verm / most saturated (beyond field capacity) on top.

I would also hypothesize that over-misting could potentially over-saturate the cakes and allow the 'yeast smelling' bacteria to take hold.

EDIT:  Also, I don't know why exactly, but it took me FOREVER to identify the smell as 'yeast-like.'  I would smell it every day and wonder 'WTF is that I've smelled it before but I can't put my finger on it'

Eventually I came across an old box of rotting potatoes at work that had been buried under other boxes and the smell just fucking hit me.  'VODKA!' The smell of fermentation and then my brain suddenly made the 'yeast' connection to the cakes.  :shrug: go figure.


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Re: Experienced Opinion Needed [Re: elasticaltiger]
    #18841075 - 09/14/13 01:10 PM (10 years, 4 months ago)

It is like when you step out of the shower. The Humidity in the shower will rush out into the less humid air outside. The point of the SGFC is to create and environment that will always have some air moving through it based on this principle. BUT, it is very important to exchange the air inside the chamber every now and again because we don't want this process to continue with stale air. It is called Fresh Air Exchange, not free air exchange.

  So we let the cycle run and the air in the chamber slowly moves from the bottom to the top, while moving moisture. When we mist we also fan after to create a less humid environment so evaporation off the cakes will trigger pinning.


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Re: Experienced Opinion Needed [Re: Sockadin]
    #18841550 - 09/14/13 04:16 PM (10 years, 4 months ago)

I was thinking about the smell today and I can almost compare it to the smell of shoes that have been sweated in a lot.  Yeast can grow in shoes, right?

And after checking my babies today, I discovered something that made me a little concerned.  Hopefully these pictures are clear enough to depict my dilemma.

   

There is some blue/green growth on the ends of the caps and also some at the base of the mushrooms.  I have read that some molds grow at the base and eat the inside of the stems.

Also, why are some already breaking their veils? And what should I do with the mutated ones after maturity?


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Re: Experienced Opinion Needed [Re: elasticaltiger]
    #18841584 - 09/14/13 04:32 PM (10 years, 4 months ago)

Yeah, that looks nasty lol.  It took me a while to figure out how much to water using that method.  Unfortunately, a lot of strain varieties pin faster or slower than others; so if you're jumping around strain variety to strain variety (at least with isolates/clones), you may find they react differently to watering amounts you already pinned down with a clone/isolate previously.  But limits sometimes need to be pushed to find out where they lie.  it's like that even with dunking though too... if you dunk a cake and it takes two weeks to pin, chances are the cake has evaporated off too much water to put out a nice pin set and see most of those to maturation without additional watering techniques. 

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Re: Experienced Opinion Needed [Re: Warden]
    #18841615 - 09/14/13 04:44 PM (10 years, 4 months ago)

Hmm, can't tell you much about the smell, I'll let someone else answer that for you. As for the blue/green color you're seeing, that looks like normal bruising that's common when growing psilocybin-containing mushrooms. I think veils break early due to a variety of reasons, but I'm thinking it's due to improper FAE, not genetics (although that's possible too). I would fan more, and the mutated ones you just pick off like any other mushroom, they may be ugly, but still effective :mushroom2:


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Re: Experienced Opinion Needed [Re: OneiricOutlier]
    #18841651 - 09/14/13 04:58 PM (10 years, 4 months ago)

Ok, cool.  Thanks.  I will try to fan more while hoping for the best and preparing for the worst.


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Re: Experienced Opinion Needed [Re: Warden]
    #18841687 - 09/14/13 05:14 PM (10 years, 4 months ago)

lOOKS like the crappy digital in the backround is giving you some bad numbers.  I really don't see any problem with any of them, the look awesome congrats bud!:evil:


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Re: Experienced Opinion Needed [Re: Sockadin]
    #18841917 - 09/14/13 06:27 PM (10 years, 4 months ago)

Is there polyfil in the holes in your fruiting chamber? And that hygrometer wont do you any good. Look at the wiki articles for hygrometers even scientists have a hard time getting accurate ones let alone anything you can buy for less than a few hundred dollars.


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Re: Experienced Opinion Needed [Re: bodhisatta]
    #18843863 - 09/15/13 09:40 AM (10 years, 4 months ago)

Yeeaah..... About that... 

I was overzealous while I was constructing my SGFC and had somehow missed the vital bit of advice given by RR; one hole every two inches.

I filled every other hole with polyfill (which was definitely a waste of my time) and have not gotten around to getting another tub to re-do.  It is actually kind of embarrassing and makes me feel like UUH DUUH.

The digital meter you see is actually a thermometer, and I have been keeping my apartment around 73 degrees so it serves no point.  I have an analog hygrometer that I bought from a pet store and it only goes to about 50%, even when I had literally soaked everything in the FC before placing my cakes in. 

I have a question yet again.  My mushrooms are prematurely popping their veils (giggity).  I am assuming it is because of my lack of FAE.  Is there going to be a lack of psilocybin because of the short fruiting period?


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Re: Experienced Opinion Needed [Re: Warden]
    #18843935 - 09/15/13 10:01 AM (10 years, 4 months ago)

Small mushrooms are due to either too much moisture or genetics.  Potency is entirely genetic.


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