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    #18833703 - 09/12/13 06:34 PM (10 years, 4 months ago)

My GT cakes have just started pinning but they look like they have mycelium growing over the tops of them.  I have read that lack of FAE can cause fuzzy mycelium, correct me if I am wrong.  I fan the FC every spare chance I get, averaging to about 3 times a day.  I recently drilled some holes into the FC, but I am too new to feel comfortable with my results.







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Re: Experienced Opinion Needed [Re: Warden]
    #18833720 - 09/12/13 06:39 PM (10 years, 4 months ago)

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I recently drilled some holes into the FC




That's your problem. The only thing wrong with these is that your FC is not a proper FC if you're still putting holes in it.

It only needs 1/4 inch holes every 2 inches in a grid patter on all 6 sides and at least 4 inches of hydrated perlite in the bottom.

Also I see a hygrometer in your chamber. There's an extremely high chance that it's a piece of shit and giving you a wrong reading anyway. Don't trust the gauge unless you paid more than $40 on it. Trust the SGFC to do it's job when built properly and put in a room with no fans.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hygrometer#Difficulty_of_accurate_humidity_measurement

Even if you had a good hygrometer you would still have to calibrate it all the time too.


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Re: Experienced Opinion Needed [Re: bodhisatta]
    #18833741 - 09/12/13 06:46 PM (10 years, 4 months ago)

Right. So, they look healthy, sickly, in need of FAE...??

There's one in there that doesn't have a head, it is the one that is mostly all white with a little growth on the top. What is it exactly?


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Re: Experienced Opinion Needed [Re: Warden]
    #18833763 - 09/12/13 06:52 PM (10 years, 4 months ago)

Look in need of proper fruiting conditions. FAE and RH. Fuzzy stems from low FAE look different than that a quick search would have led you to this

http://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/17231150#17231150

Search for FAE in that post and look at those.

I don't know why your fruits look so bad because I can't see your whole fruiting chamber. I know they probably wouldn't look anything like that if you followed directions for the terrarium as well as you had for the cakes.

How often do you mist and fan? Also are you misting directly onto the pins and cakes? How fine is the mist from your spray bottle? It should be very fine. You should fan after you mist and sometimes between misting.

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There's one in there that doesn't have a head, it is the one that is mostly all white with a little growth on the top. What is it exactly?




Idk most of them look like they're about to abort due to the conditions. They're all like F-this it's like Auschwitz in here.


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Re: Experienced Opinion Needed [Re: bodhisatta]
    #18833902 - 09/12/13 07:29 PM (10 years, 4 months ago)

wow yeah they are not gonna die the dude above is retarded

fan more often maybe 5 times a day if you can

also thats common for mycelium to be on top of the shroom thats why when you see the pins they look frosty and when they become full grown havn't you seen pics with the brown caps but white speckles ? thats because it spreads out and breaks apart infact if you rub the top of your shroom once you pick it the spots will rub off.

i say even if u keep fanning 3 times a day you will be fine and they will grow but will likely become fuzzy around the stems

about the one with no cap that is likely mutant *common*  just leave it alone until you pick .


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Re: Experienced Opinion Needed [Re: lulz]
    #18833908 - 09/12/13 07:30 PM (10 years, 4 months ago)

by the way nice pin set :mafioso:


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Re: Experienced Opinion Needed [Re: lulz]
    #18833972 - 09/12/13 07:45 PM (10 years, 4 months ago)

Mycelium forms on caps when the humidity is TOO HIGH not LOW.


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Re: Experienced Opinion Needed [Re: lulz]
    #18834009 - 09/12/13 07:52 PM (10 years, 4 months ago)

We will see what happens to them :shrug:

This is a good pinset. Conditions are pretty important with a multi-spore injection if you want to see performance.



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Re: Experienced Opinion Needed [Re: bodhisatta]
    #18834185 - 09/12/13 08:25 PM (10 years, 4 months ago)

I spray the perlite around the cakes with a fine mist 2-3 times a day, but not too heavily.  I fan after I mist, but when I come home from work I notice a strange smell in the FC.  Is it just the gases released by the cakes or is it something I should be concerned about?

And thanks everyone for their input.


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Re: Experienced Opinion Needed [Re: Warden]
    #18834284 - 09/12/13 08:43 PM (10 years, 4 months ago)

What kind of strange smell? The only smell I ever noticed was the smell of fresh mushrooms and the smell of moisture(if you know what I mean by that).


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Re: Experienced Opinion Needed [Re: MHbound]
    #18834321 - 09/12/13 08:52 PM (10 years, 4 months ago)

I thought fuzzy growth was high rh and long skinny stems was low fae. Definietley fan a lot now after pins fan more than you mist. Mist like once daily and fan 3-4


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Re: Experienced Opinion Needed [Re: crimsonking91]
    #18834570 - 09/12/13 09:50 PM (10 years, 4 months ago)

So I agree with all of these guys (not that it matters) build a proper SGFC and it will solve all of these problems.

And FUCK Yeah. Awesome pin set!

Now the idea is to give them to proper conditions so you get the most out of it. Read and then Read some more. Make your own decisions.

  I say with a SGFC
Fan 3-5 daily
mist 2-3 daily
Fan directly after misting.
Don't always mist because it is time to fan.
Without a SGFC
Fan 8-9 Day
Mist 1-3 Day
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Re: Experienced Opinion Needed [Re: Sockadin]
    #18834682 - 09/12/13 10:15 PM (10 years, 4 months ago)

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Don't always mist because it is time to fan.



We only fan after misting.....there is no reason to just fan out A sgfc unless you misted the cakes....we do not fan for FAE.


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Re: Experienced Opinion Needed [Re: MHbound]
    #18836739 - 09/13/13 12:13 PM (10 years, 4 months ago)

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What kind of strange smell? The only smell I ever noticed was the smell of fresh mushrooms and the smell of moisture(if you know what I mean by that).




I know the earthy smell you are talking about because they smelled like that after I birthed them. 

It is a little hard to describe the smell.  My girlfriend says it smells earthy, but I don't think I have ever smelled a smelly smell that smells like this smell.  I know that doesn't help but that's all I got.


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Re: Experienced Opinion Needed [Re: PussyFart]
    #18836794 - 09/13/13 12:25 PM (10 years, 4 months ago)

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Don't always mist because it is time to fan.



We only fan after misting.....there is no reason to just fan out A sgfc unless you misted the cakes....we do not fan for FAE.




That's not always true NaH, every grow environment is different.  I can think of several reasons for why one could need to fan more than mist.


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Re: Experienced Opinion Needed [Re: tbagtag]
    #18836805 - 09/13/13 12:28 PM (10 years, 4 months ago)

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Don't always mist because it is time to fan.



We only fan after misting.....there is no reason to just fan out A sgfc unless you misted the cakes....we do not fan for FAE.




That's not always true NaH, every grow environment is different.  I can think of several reasons for why one could need to fan more than mist.



In a properly build SGFC there is no reason to fan unless you just misted.

The chamber already gets constant FAE 100% of the time if built right, so other than making room for evaporation to happen, why else would we fan out the chamber?


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Re: Experienced Opinion Needed [Re: PussyFart]
    #18836921 - 09/13/13 01:02 PM (10 years, 4 months ago)

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Quote:

Notahacker420 said:
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Sockadin said:
Don't always mist because it is time to fan.



We only fan after misting.....there is no reason to just fan out A sgfc unless you misted the cakes....we do not fan for FAE.




That's not always true NaH, every grow environment is different.  I can think of several reasons for why one could need to fan more than mist.



In a properly build SGFC there is no reason to fan unless you just misted.

The chamber already gets constant FAE 100% of the time if built right, so other than making room for evaporation to happen, why else would we fan out the chamber?




https://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/18623731#18623731

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We fan out the chamber to cycle out the air, and promote evaporation.






Just curious about this.  If the chamber is getting constant FAE as you say (exchange) then why would there be any reason to fan at all?  If the humid air is constantly exchanging then fresh regular air should always be coming in and replacing the humid air anyway right?  Why would the humidity restrict itself to just the chamber?  Once the mist has evaporated then wouldn't the humidity get cycled out on it's own naturally?

So either the chamber is getting 100% constant FAE or it's not and some older humid air is staying in? I'm confused :shrug: I'm sure there is a science-y explanation but I think this is a confusing point for n00bs like myself.


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Re: Experienced Opinion Needed [Re: elasticaltiger]
    #18836957 - 09/13/13 01:16 PM (10 years, 4 months ago)

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Just curious about this.  If the chamber is getting constant FAE as you say (exchange) then why would there be any reason to fan at all?  If the humid air is constantly exchanging then fresh regular air should always be coming in and replacing the humid air anyway right?  Why would the humidity restrict itself to just the chamber?  Once the mist has evaporated then wouldn't the humidity get cycled out on it's own naturally?



If the chamber has 100% humidity, and then you mist the cakes without fanning out the chamber, it is going to make it really hard for the water you just applied to evaporate, as the air in the chamber is already saturated.

But if you fan out the chamber after misting, you just lowered the RH, which makes room for the water you applied to evaporate and help re-humidify the chamber.

The chamber does get constant FAE by itself, which also helps keep the humidity up...constant fresh air while remaining really humid.....that is just what it does.

I hope I explained it right....It's kinda hard for evaporation to take place when the humidity is at it's maximum already.


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    #18836981 - 09/13/13 01:23 PM (10 years, 4 months ago)

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Just curious about this.  If the chamber is getting constant FAE as you say (exchange) then why would there be any reason to fan at all?  If the humid air is constantly exchanging then fresh regular air should always be coming in and replacing the humid air anyway right?  Why would the humidity restrict itself to just the chamber?  Once the mist has evaporated then wouldn't the humidity get cycled out on it's own naturally?



If the chamber has 100% humidity, and then you mist the cakes without fanning out the chamber, it is going to make it really hard for the water you just applied to evaporate, as the air in the chamber is already saturated.

But if you fan out the chamber after misting, you just lowered the RH, which makes room for the water you applied to evaporate and help re-humidify the chamber.

The chamber does get constant FAE by itself, which also helps keep the humidity up...constant fresh air while remaining really humid.....that is just what it does.

I hope I explained it right....It's kinda hard for evaporation to take place when the humidity is at it's maximum already.




I guess my problem then is I'm not correctly understanding the idea of free air exchange.  I get that evaporation would be sped up if the humid air is taken away.

But doesn't the humid air get taken away anyway if there is fresh air constantly coming into the chamber?  Since the humidity DOES stay inside the chamber keeping the levels high and healthy for our shrooms then doesn't that mean that the chamber does NOT get 100% constant FAE?


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Re: Experienced Opinion Needed [Re: elasticaltiger]
    #18837014 - 09/13/13 01:35 PM (10 years, 4 months ago)

Fresh air comes into the chamber mixed in with the humidity.

The heat and humidity currents inside the chamber rise and flow out the top, while fresh air is constantly pulled up thru thru moist perlite, humidifying the chamber while getting fresh air.

This happens constantly, in a big circle.


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