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Amanita virosa
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large tropical oyster grow
#18832494 - 09/12/13 01:33 PM (10 years, 5 months ago) |
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we went big on the pinks and yellows. this is the top layer of five layers of bags all crammed into this outdoor shade house. Temps have been perfect and they are beginning their first flush. about 400 bags total. the picture looks fuzzy cuz its taken thru mosquito netting used to keep the bugs out of either end.
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drake89
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looking good, I'm on the straw log wagon with these, should start fruiting next week. I'm hoping to wow some chefs!
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Nice colors. I meant to do something similar this summer but the time got away from me. Looks like I will have to hold off till next year now....it will be snowing soon.
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t3chnobily
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Re: large tropical oyster grow [Re: Jeff]
#18834303 - 09/12/13 08:49 PM (10 years, 5 months ago) |
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Nice shade house! Had some luck with pinks and yellows this summer. Yellows are much more flavor full IMO. Jeff is right though. Winter is coming. Already have the tropicals put away and the kings and grays out of the fridge. Won't be too much longer till the blues come out.
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Re: large tropical oyster grow [Re: t3chnobily]
#18834985 - 09/12/13 11:18 PM (10 years, 5 months ago) |
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400 bags? Wow, I can't even imagine. Inching my way there...
Let me know how the net works for the bugs. I only tried a few outdoor buckets this summer, and I got nothing but nasty white worms that would eat the insides out of oysters, and even ate reishi, and these weird little beetles that live in the gills of the oysters. Oh and fungus gnats, indoors. Ugh!
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CAP_TURTLE
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Re: large tropical oyster grow [Re: Forrester]
#18835050 - 09/12/13 11:41 PM (10 years, 5 months ago) |
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Netting! Thats what i'm missing lol I have been having bug problems myself. Gnats on the oysters and an unknown culprit which can't be a slug is eating my shiitake cause it makes a clean getaway before I can get to it. Or their learning to clean up their tracks.........
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Re: large tropical oyster grow [Re: CAP_TURTLE]
#18835074 - 09/12/13 11:49 PM (10 years, 5 months ago) |
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Dude you think they're slow, but slugs will eat the food off your plate and get away before you even notice. Those fuckers climb like 5 feet of stacked buckets to get to my oysters...
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Re: large tropical oyster grow [Re: Forrester]
#18835112 - 09/13/13 12:04 AM (10 years, 5 months ago) |
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I moved my blocks to see if the ninja crickets living under my shiitake bed were eating them. My shiitake bed sets on a layer of cardboard that shelters a hoard of them. They always flee when I spray it. But I have crickets under my oyster bed as well which doesnt get ate at all. So maybe they have a preference. Someone told me of a plant that is some kind of wild spice that is supposed to deter insects though and i plan on planting them along my fence line to see if it helps next year.
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OICU812
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Re: large tropical oyster grow [Re: Forrester]
#18835766 - 09/13/13 06:07 AM (10 years, 5 months ago) |
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Quote:
Forrester said: Dude you think they're slow, but slugs will eat the food off your plate and get away before you even notice. Those fuckers climb like 5 feet of stacked buckets to get to my oysters...
Would a saucer of water under the bottom bucket help?
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Re: large tropical oyster grow [Re: OICU812]
#18835790 - 09/13/13 06:30 AM (10 years, 5 months ago) |
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Nice, i like it. What are you doing for humidity?
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drake89
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Re: large tropical oyster grow [Re: Forrester]
#18835867 - 09/13/13 07:14 AM (10 years, 5 months ago) |
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Quote:
Forrester said: little beetles that live in the gills of the oysters. Oh and fungus gnats, indoors. Ugh!
those gave me quite a f-ing headache and caused me to toss 20 or so straw logs if we're talking about the same critters. I think they may have been earwhigs in my case. F- them! I sprinkle borax powder around the threshold of my grow rooms, it seems to deter.
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Re: large tropical oyster grow [Re: drake89]
#18836066 - 09/13/13 08:59 AM (10 years, 5 months ago) |
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Quote:
OICU812 said: Would a saucer of water under the bottom bucket help?
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drake89 said: I sprinkle borax powder around the threshold of my grow rooms, it seems to deter.
Good ideas!
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Re: large tropical oyster grow [Re: Forrester]
#18836099 - 09/13/13 09:12 AM (10 years, 5 months ago) |
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Does doing the borax go against organic farming?
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Amanita virosa
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Re: large tropical oyster grow [Re: Aleon]
#18836588 - 09/13/13 11:40 AM (10 years, 5 months ago) |
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Quote:
Aleon said: Nice, i like it. What are you doing for humidity?
mother nature. it stays 80-90 percent most days
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liamtheloser
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Diatomaceous earth is a good solution for slugs and bugs.
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drake89
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Re: large tropical oyster grow [Re: CAP_TURTLE]
#18839052 - 09/13/13 09:52 PM (10 years, 5 months ago) |
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Quote:
CAP_TURTLE said: Does doing the borax go against organic farming?
i've been wondering since i'm gonna try and get my sawdust bags certified organic. this leads me to believe it is, since something very similar (if not the same) is approved as organic soil supplement.
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Re: large tropical oyster grow [Re: drake89]
#18839218 - 09/13/13 10:49 PM (10 years, 5 months ago) |
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If diatomoceous earth works I'm willing to bet its safe for organic mushroom farming ^.^
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OICU812
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Re: large tropical oyster grow [Re: CAP_TURTLE]
#18840083 - 09/14/13 04:37 AM (10 years, 5 months ago) |
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§ 205.605 Nonagricultural (nonorganic) substances allowed as ingredients in or on processed products labeled as “organic” or “made with organic (specified ingredients or food group(s)).” Link to an amendment published at 78 FR 31821, May 28, 2013.
The following nonagricultural substances may be used as ingredients in or on processed products labeled as “organic” or “made with organic (specified ingredients or food group(s))” only in accordance with any restrictions specified in this section.
(a) Nonsynthetics allowed:
Acids (Alginic; Citric—produced by microbial fermentation of carbohydrate substances; and Lactic).
Agar-agar.
Animal enzymes—(Rennet—animals derived; Catalase—bovine liver; Animal lipase; Pancreatin; Pepsin; and Trypsin).
Attapulgite—as a processing aid in the handling of plant and animal oils.
Bentonite.
Calcium carbonate.
Calcium chloride.
Calcium sulfate—mined.
Carrageenan.
Dairy cultures.
Diatomaceous earth—food filtering aid only.
Egg white lysozyme (CAS # 9001-63-2)
Enzymes—must be derived from edible, nontoxic plants, nonpathogenic fungi, or nonpathogenic bacteria.
Flavors, nonsynthetic sources only and must not be produced using synthetic solvents and carrier systems or any artificial preservative.
Gellan gum (CAS # 71010-52-1)—high-acyl form only.
Glucono delta-lactone—production by the oxidation of D-glucose with bromine water is prohibited.
Kaolin.
L-Malic acid (CAS # 97-67-6).
Magnesium sulfate, nonsynthetic sources only.
Microorganisms—any food grade bacteria, fungi, and other microorganism.
Nitrogen—oil-free grades.
Oxygen—oil-free grades.
Perlite—for use only as a filter aid in food processing.
Potassium chloride.
Potassium iodide.
Sodium bicarbonate.
Sodium carbonate.
Tartaric acid—made from grape wine.
Waxes—nonsynthetic (Carnauba wax; and Wood resin).
Yeast—When used as food or a fermentation agent in products labeled as “organic,” yeast must be organic if its end use is for human consumption; nonorganic yeast may be used when organic yeast is not commercially available. Growth on petrochemical substrate and sulfite waste liquor is prohibited. For smoked yeast, nonsynthetic smoke flavoring process must be documented.
(b) Synthetics allowed:
Acidified sodium chlorite—Secondary direct antimicrobial food treatment and indirect food contact surface sanitizing. Acidified with citric acid only.
Activated charcoal (CAS #s 7440-44-0; 64365-11-3)—only from vegetative sources; for use only as a filtering aid.
Alginates.
Ammonium bicarbonate—for use only as a leavening agent.
Ammonium carbonate—for use only as a leavening agent.
Ascorbic acid.
Calcium citrate.
Calcium hydroxide.
Calcium phosphates (monobasic, dibasic, and tribasic).
Carbon dioxide.
Cellulose—for use in regenerative casings, as an anti-caking agent (non-chlorine bleached) and filtering aid.
Chlorine materials—disinfecting and sanitizing food contact surfaces, Except, That, residual chlorine levels in the water shall not exceed the maximum residual disinfectant limit under the Safe Drinking Water Act (Calcium hypochlorite; Chlorine dioxide; and Sodium hypochlorite).
Cyclohexylamine (CAS # 108-91-8)—for use only as a boiler water additive for packaging sterilization.
Diethylaminoethanol (CAS # 100-37-8)—for use only as a boiler water additive for packaging sterilization.
Ethylene—allowed for postharvest ripening of tropical fruit and degreening of citrus.
Ferrous sulfate—for iron enrichment or fortification of foods when required by regulation or recommended (independent organization).
Glycerides (mono and di)—for use only in drum drying of food.
Glycerin—produced by hydrolysis of fats and oils.
Hydrogen peroxide.
Magnesium carbonate—for use only in agricultural products labeled “made with organic (specified ingredients or food group(s)),” prohibited in agricultural products labeled “organic”.
Magnesium chloride—derived from sea water.
Magnesium stearate—for use only in agricultural products labeled “made with organic (specified ingredients or food group(s)),” prohibited in agricultural products labeled “organic”.
Nutrient vitamins and minerals, in accordance with 21 CFR 104.20, Nutritional Quality Guidelines For Foods.
Octadecylamine (CAS # 124-30-1)—for use only as a boiler water additive for packaging sterilization.
Ozone.
Peracetic acid/Peroxyacetic acid (CAS # 79-21-0)—for use in wash and/or rinse water according to FDA limitations. For use as a sanitizer on food contact surfaces.
Phosphoric acid—cleaning of food-contact surfaces and equipment only.
Potassium acid tartrate.
Potassium carbonate.
Potassium citrate.
Potassium hydroxide—prohibited for use in lye peeling of fruits and vegetables except when used for peeling peaches.
Potassium phosphate—for use only in agricultural products labeled “made with organic (specific ingredients or food group(s)),” prohibited in agricultural products labeled “organic”.
Silicon dioxide.
Sodium acid pyrophosphate (CAS # 7758-16-9)—for use only as a leavening agent.
Sodium citrate.
Sodium hydroxide—prohibited for use in lye peeling of fruits and vegetables.
Sodium phosphates—for use only in dairy foods.
Sulfur dioxide—for use only in wine labeled “made with organic grapes,” Provided, That, total sulfite concentration does not exceed 100 ppm.
Tartaric acid—made from malic acid.
Tetrasodium pyrophosphate (CAS # 7722-88-5)—for use only in meat analog products.
Tocopherols—derived from vegetable oil when rosemary extracts are not a suitable alternative.
Xanthan gum.
(c)-(z) [Reserved]
[68 FR 61993, Oct. 31, 2003, as amended as 68 FR 62217, Nov. 3, 2003; 71 FR 53302, Sept. 11, 2006; 72 FR 58473, Oct. 16, 2007; 73 FR 59481, Oct. 9, 2008; 75 FR 77524, Dec. 13, 2010; 77 FR 8092, Feb. 14, 2012; 77 FR 33298, June 6, 2012; 77 FR 45907, Aug. 2, 2012; 78 FR 31821, May 28, 2013]
HOWEVER, I found this document which seems to support the use of Diatomaceous earth as we intend:
"An observation that was found in one client file from AgriSource, Inc., which included the use of Diatomaceous Earth as a fogger, used to control weevil in the grain bins prior to filling with grain. The Diatomaceous Earth was also to be used as an additive to the grain as it is unloaded into the bin. AgriSouce is a handling operation of grains and other commodities. The file did not state the amount used and how ISDA determined that the use of the Diatomaceous Earth was applicable for certification as a handling operation.
FINDINGS Procedures and records reviewed verified that ISDA is currently operating in compliance to the requirements of the audit criteria except as noted in the non-compliances below. Three minor noncompliances were identified during the review."
MY NOTES: The noncompliance list in the above document did not include Diatomaceous Earth. I think it's going to be the call of the auditor, but I believe a good case can be made for it's use. Note also the permitted use of Calcium hydroxide & Ascorbic acid in the (b) Synthetics allowed section of § 205.605.
Edited by OICU812 (09/14/13 04:53 AM)
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liamtheloser
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Re: large tropical oyster grow [Re: OICU812]
#18840690 - 09/14/13 10:55 AM (10 years, 5 months ago) |
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I'm not saying to mix DE into the mushrooms, just sprinkle on the ground around the greenhouse. It shouldn't ever come in contact with the mushrooms. DE works as a slug deterrent by slicing through their protective slime and shredding their flesh. It would be like us walking barefoot on broken glass.
Works great in my garden against slugs and snails. Not so well against flying insects.
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Wait so nothing affects the organicness of a product unless it actually touches it? So you could spray pesticides, just not on the fruits and substrates themselves?
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