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xdeimusx
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No Pinning. Help!
#18831955 - 09/12/13 10:39 AM (10 years, 4 months ago) |
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So here is he run down of my situation. I have 1 brf of golden teachers in a FC. My tote I think is a 65 gallon. I have about 4 inches of perlite that was pre-soaked and then strained. Humidity is around 95-100%. Light is on a timer and comes on everyday for around 10hrs. I have 2 cups of water with aquarium babblers that are run 24hrs a day to keep humidity up. The cake has been in there for exactly 2 weeks with no signs of pinning. The mycelium grew over the new verm that the cake was rolled in but thats about it. I had another cake in there but no pinning on that one and it dried up and grew cobweb mold on it so i tossed it and it was in there for 3 weeks. the temps are around 75-80F. What am I doing wrong and why is there no pins yet?
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Re: No Pinning. Help! [Re: xdeimusx]
#18835974 - 09/13/13 08:20 AM (10 years, 4 months ago) |
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xdeimusx said: What am I doing wrong and why is there no pins yet?
In short, from what I can tell, what you're doing wrong is that you're not following a tek, and there are no pins because you have no FAE.
I don't know of any tek that calls for a tote with perlite in the bottom and cups of water with aquarium "babblers."
And for any tek to work, it needs to provide fresh air exchange, which provides the low carbon dioxide levels and moisture evaporation that trigger pinning. You haven't mentioned anything about fresh air exchange.
Try this: Empty out the tote. Drill 1/4-inch-diameter holes in a 2-inch grid pattern on all six faces of the tote (lid, bottom, and all four sides). Put your soaked-and-strained perlite back in. Elevate the tote a few inches off the table or whatever it's sitting on, and keep it in a room that's at a comfortable temperature for you to be in, with no fans running. Put the cake in, on a small piece of foil so it's not touching the perlite. Then, be patient. Mist and fan a few times a day and you should see pinning soon after that.
This is called a shotgun terrarium or shotgun fruiting chamber or SGFC. http://www.mushroomvideos.com/Terrarium-Tek .
Also, by the way: You say humidity is around 95-100%, but you don't say why you think that. Almost all hygrometers sold on the market these days are kind of useless for our work. Your humidity may actually be much lower than that. Consider the fact that you had a cake dry out.
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Re: No Pinning. Help! [Re: toxetel]
#18835984 - 09/13/13 08:24 AM (10 years, 4 months ago) |
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Re: No Pinning. Help! [Re: xdeimusx]
#18835996 - 09/13/13 08:30 AM (10 years, 4 months ago) |
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xdeimusx said: I have 1 brf of golden teachers
I have 2 cups of water with aquarium babblers that are run 24hrs a day to keep humidity up.
How much is 1 brf of anything? Ha I think You have 1 cake?
Also get rid of the babblers and do everything the person above me said.
It seems so many first time growers can get the PF cakes down pat but when it comes to a fruiting chamber the SGFC just seems too simple for some reason. Trust the SGFC Tek
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xdeimusx
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The first cake dried out in an old terrarium that I built that just wasnt cutting it. I tried the shotgun method the first time and it didnt work. Actually I meant bublers. Sorry I typed it up on my phone and there is actually a few teks out there with that in there. It provides fresh air and humidity. Try searching and you shall receive
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Re: No Pinning. Help! [Re: xdeimusx]
#18843298 - 09/15/13 03:16 AM (10 years, 4 months ago) |
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xdeimusx said: So here is he run down of my situation. I have 1 brf of golden teachers in a FC. My tote I think is a 65 gallon. I have about 4 inches of perlite that was pre-soaked and then strained. Humidity is around 95-100%. Light is on a timer and comes on everyday for around 10hrs. I have 2 cups of water with aquarium babblers that are run 24hrs a day to keep humidity up. The cake has been in there for exactly 2 weeks with no signs of pinning. The mycelium grew over the new verm that the cake was rolled in but thats about it. I had another cake in there but no pinning on that one and it dried up and grew cobweb mold on it so i tossed it and it was in there for 3 weeks. the temps are around 75-80F. What am I doing wrong and why is there no pins yet?
Sounds like you have the exact same setup as me, and the exact same problems I had. Not to disagree with the posters above, since I am a noob, but I made just a few simple changes and now I am getting loads of ripe fruit.
First of all, are your cakes sitting on the perlite or are they elevated? I originally put mine directly on the perlite because the tek I followed said it was OK. Problem: perlite was too mushy, cakes sank in a bit, and were sitting in a pool of water (but not visible until I picked them up). They were too wet. Solution: I placed a rack under them to get them out of the water and allow fresh air underneath. If you don't have a rack, try a shallow, upside-down cardboard box -- but it will get soggy and sag over time.
Second problem: they probably need more fresh air than the bubblers provide. Solution: twice a day I prop the lid open and blow a fan into it on low setting for a few minutes. Get that air totally exchanged. While you are doing this, mist them with a spray bottle and keep fanning. It has been said that the evaporation of moisture off the cake promotes pinning.
Again I am not going to disagree with those who insist a SGFC is best since I have never tried one yet. Nor do I claim that my technique is "correct". But with those simple changes, my FC is now working really well. Seems to me that's all that matters.
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so what I did after putting the cake into sgfc, is wait for pints to form, which were all at the bottom (well most of them). at that point I realized that they were not going to get FAE from the bottom because they were so close to the perlite. I took a styrofoam cereal bowl, but it shorter, and burned holes on the side walls and around the perimeter of the bottom, turned it upside down and put it right on the perlite. that way, moisture can still be wicked thru those holes, and the cake is elevated enough that when u fan it gets all around the cake and fruits. here is a pic of the bowl and how to make it and what it looks like in my sgfc...


its 2nd flush in the bottom pic. If u are well read on this site, go to mini monos with the BRF cakes. they are doing way better than my cakes, and I just started growing. It's easier than u think if u have the time and patience. Good luck!
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Re: No Pinning. Help! [Re: xdeimusx]
#18846436 - 09/15/13 09:22 PM (10 years, 4 months ago) |
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xdeimusx said: The first cake dried out in an old terrarium that I built that just wasnt cutting it. I tried the shotgun method the first time and it didnt work. Actually I meant bublers. Sorry I typed it up on my phone and there is actually a few teks out there with that in there. It provides fresh air and humidity. Try searching and you shall receive
That's an 11 year old thread by someone who's profile doesn't instantly prove that they know what the hell they're doing.
Ditch the Styrofoam and just use a piece of tin foil.....
Or continue to do things the wrong way and don't learn from our advice but it's your wasted time and unnecessary expenses.
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toxetel
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bodhisatta said: That's an 11 year old thread by someone who's profile doesn't instantly prove that they know what the hell they're doing.
This.
xdeimusx, I gave you all the advice you need in my first reply to your post.
The fact that one dude did this aquarium bubbler thing 11 years ago and said it worked for him is not helpful for you. Since you're learning how this fungus grows, you need to use a technique that is proven. And when I say a proven technique, I mean one that hundreds, or thousands, of beginners have already achieved success with, and one that continues to yield success for first-timers. The best one we have is the shotgun terrarium.
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blindingleaf said: I took a styrofoam cereal bowl, but it shorter, and burned holes on the side walls and around the perimeter of the bottom, turned it upside down and put it right on the perlite. that way, moisture can still be wicked thru those holes, and the cake is elevated enough that when u fan it gets all around the cake and fruits.
I think I can follow your thought pattern, but, really, you could have been just fine without the styrofoam apparatus. If you properly strain your perlite (which I don't think you did, because your perlite was mushy and you developed puddles), fresh air moves easily through it. In fact, that is the very mechanism by which the shotgun terrarium supplies FAE and humidity -- the heat generated by the metabolism of the fungus gently warms the air in the terrarium, making it rise, drawing fresh air in from underneath, which is humidified as it passes through the perlite. And moisture doesn't wick from the perlite to your cakes anyway; according to the most established teks the cake is supposed to sit on a piece of foil or a jar lid (which you did correctly), so it's not in contact with the moist perlite anyhow.
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Re: No Pinning. Help! [Re: toxetel]
#18850984 - 09/16/13 08:01 PM (10 years, 4 months ago) |
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i wasn't trying to spread misinformation, its just what worked for me. I had my cakes on the lid from birth and one particular fruit began growing into the perlite (downward). So I just used the styrofoam so make sure it could grow more, as the veil had not ruptured yet. I wasn't trying to change the tek or anything, I understand how the tek works, ( bodisatta- I never said the moisture was wicked into the cake in my post), sorry if my post seemed like I was trying to change the tek ( I don't think it was, but bodisatta's response was quite aggressive). I think its important to be able to adapt with an understanding of why that adaption could work, and in this case it worked for me. and to toxetel: thanks for not just saying I was doing things the wrong way and trying to understand my thought pattern, I just needed to elevate the cake more because of the way the fruit bodies were growing. Im not trying to tell people what to do, Im telling them what I did in a particular situation once. I also stated I'm a noob, so that my experience and actions are taken with a grain of salt. Sucks that some people can't appreciate that. I thank you for at least seeing my thought pattern.
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Re: No Pinning. Help! [Re: clipper2]
#19297910 - 12/19/13 12:57 PM (10 years, 1 month ago) |
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Re: No Pinning. Help! [Re: clipper2]
#19297965 - 12/19/13 01:09 PM (10 years, 1 month ago) |
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Not only did u double post bit u did it on others threada one of which is four years old.theres a post button on the forum
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Re: No Pinning. Help! [Re: cronicr]
#19298185 - 12/19/13 02:13 PM (10 years, 1 month ago) |
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If clipper spent as much time with the search button as he did hijacking threads, he'd be smarter than us all...
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