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Mangomankw
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larger caps
#18831645 - 09/12/13 08:59 AM (10 years, 4 months ago) |
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i have been growing phoenix oysters on wheat straw and am getting small. say half dollar size, caps that are curling up pretty fast. What can I do to get larger caps? My light is 12on 12 off, humidity is 85%-90%, temp is 70-75 degrees. I mist 2-3 times a day. There are no supplements added to the straw. Thanks
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drake89
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Mangomankw said: i have been growing phoenix oysters on wheat straw and am getting small. say half dollar size, caps that are curling up pretty fast. What can I do to get larger caps? My light is 12on 12 off, humidity is 85%-90%, temp is 70-75 degrees. I mist 2-3 times a day. There are no supplements added to the straw. Thanks
never done phoenix but a condensed fog environment (99-100% humidity) really helps primordia formation. grain spawn is probably better than sawdust spawn. poking a few holes with a broadhead, I do 4 rows of 5 holes on a 4ft log, makes them form large 'bouquets'. as opposed to slitting big holes and having a lot of aborts. at least with the blues and whites I have worked with.
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Mangomankw
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Re: larger caps [Re: drake89]
#18831793 - 09/12/13 09:44 AM (10 years, 4 months ago) |
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Mangomankw said: i have been growing phoenix oysters on wheat straw and am getting small. say half dollar size, caps that are curling up pretty fast. What can I do to get larger caps? My light is 12on 12 off, humidity is 85%-90%, temp is 70-75 degrees. I mist 2-3 times a day. There are no supplements added to the straw. Thanks
never done phoenix but a condensed fog environment (99-100% humidity) really helps primordia formation. grain spawn is probably better than sawdust spawn. poking a few holes with a broadhead, I do 4 rows of 5 holes on a 4ft log, makes them form large 'bouquets'. as opposed to slitting big holes and having a lot of aborts. at least with the blues and whites I have worked with.
Thanks I used a razor blade but think I may have made to many holes. I also am going to increase FAE although I don't feel that is it as the room is 8x15 about and I only have 8 blocks in there(wheat straw)and they are 3-4 feet off the ground (so I ruled out CO2). I am going to start some grain today I did spawn my Wheat straw with a purchased sawdust block. Anyway thanks for the info
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I have been growing a strain of pulmonarius from out-grow for a while now and i repeatedly get small fruits whether it be indoors or outdoors and in conditions that my ostreatus repeatedly flourish. I have done a variety of temps. I have been thinking lately maybe they are just smaller to begine with? and have been meaning to google it lol but as for your ruling out CO2 because they are feet off the ground, I don't think that is reason enough to rule it out. From what I have read, heavy or not, it mixes evenly with the air around it and doesn't sink just becsause it is heavier than other gasses. So maybe something to consider. I hope you figure this out though and will be watching since I am having the same issue like I said.
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Cut only a small number of holes in the bag as drake stated. try a different strain, some strains are just not that great. It could also be not intense enough light or too high of CO2. What makes you think you have enough FAE? My FC is 10x15' and its unbelievable how much fresh air just that size needs when full.
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Re: larger caps [Re: Aleon]
#18832280 - 09/12/13 12:35 PM (10 years, 4 months ago) |
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phoenix oysters have small caps. try "elm" oyster or even the steel blue for larger caps sizes. HEre is an "elm" oyster. Not H. ulmarius but what some folks call an "elm oyster.
 very large caps indeed.
esp. compared to the phoenix or the pinks or yellows as seen here
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solarity
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small caps usually = not bright enough light.
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I can't wait to grow me some pinks! Thanks for clarifying that though. I wasn't sure if i should expect them to be larger. I do have them on straw instead of sawdust myself now though so i'll see if they get any larger with the change in substrate
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Mangomankw
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CAP_TURTLE said: I have been growing a strain of pulmonarius from out-grow for a while now and i repeatedly get small fruits whether it be indoors or outdoors and in conditions that my ostreatus repeatedly flourish. I have done a variety of temps. I have been thinking lately maybe they are just smaller to begine with? and have been meaning to google it lol but as for your ruling out CO2 because they are feet off the ground, I don't think that is reason enough to rule it out. From what I have read, heavy or not, it mixes evenly with the air around it and doesn't sink just because it is heavier than other gasses. So maybe something to consider. I hope you figure this out though and will be watching since I am having the same issue like I said.
My spawn is a block from Everything Mushrooms and I will be putting a fan in the room today and am building a sweet system that will bring in air from outside through a pre filter then a hepa. It then will go through a plastic tote (Home Depot) with ultrasonic pond misters and onto a manifold to direct it to my 3 grow rooms. I hope it works lol. As for CO2 I figured it was heavier than air and I have not put that many straw blocks in the room yet. So Keep checking and I'll keep you posted. Oh also I ordered some blocks from Aloha Med so diff strain we will see how they do
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Mangomankw
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Thanks to everyone for the input I will increase air flow, try new strains/types, and if that does not work try to add more light the hardest thing to do right now. If anyone is interested you can check out what my set up looks like on FaceBook.....Key West Fun-Gi (https://www.facebook.com/KeyWestFunGi)
Edited by Mangomankw (09/12/13 02:38 PM)
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Thanks for sharing dude! When you say hepa do you mean a true hepa or one you could buy at the store? How big and how thick? Either way what are you planning on useing for a blower? One last question lol What is your method of getting rid of your mushrooms. Do you have a storefront, sell at market, or out of your house?
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Mangomankw
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CAP_TURTLE said: Thanks for sharing dude! When you say hepa do you mean a true hepa or one you could buy at the store? How big and how thick? Either way what are you planning on useing for a blower? One last question lol What is your method of getting rid of your mushrooms. Do you have a storefront, sell at market, or out of your house?
I am using a 12" x 12" best quality pre filter I could get at Home Depot (all we have here) and a 12" x 12" 95% 0r 97% efficient hepa also home Depo. I made a box and set the pre filter at the intake side and the hepa on the out flow side. I got a 10" inline fan (800cfm I think) that I plan to mount between the 2 filters and plug to a fan speed controller and timer. It the is piped with 3" PVC to a like 35 gal elongated storage tub that will have water in it and 2 or 3 5 head ultrasonic pond fogers set on a timer. It then will go to a manifold made of ball valves to regulate the flow and split it off from 1 trunk line to 3 that then are piped overhead and vent into the rooms. In theory the air will come in be some what cleaned then humidified then sent to the fruiting chambers as needed. By adding the manifold I hope to be able to direct flow and even shut down rooms if not in use. We will see. I also hope the flow will sort of produce a small positive pressure in each room helping to keep out any bad stuff in the air. I'm not in the best configuration as I have learned but I see vids of grass huts and open air spawning of substrate so I'm 1 up on that any way. I do not have a store front and we have no farmers market here. closest farmers are 150 miles away. But what we do have is LOT'S or restaurants and health conscious people. I am trying to sell to them. I have done lots of small grows and handed out samples, talked to people/restaurants and have been received pretty good so I'm doing a big grow now (just went to the mainland and got 26 full size bales of wheat straw!!!
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drake89
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CAP_TURTLE said: Thanks for sharing dude! When you say hepa do you mean a true hepa or one you could buy at the store? How big and how thick? Either way what are you planning on useing for a blower? One last question lol What is your method of getting rid of your mushrooms. Do you have a storefront, sell at market, or out of your house?
I am using a 12" x 12" best quality pre filter I could get at Home Depot (all we have here) and a 12" x 12" 95% 0r 97% efficient hepa also home Depo. I made a box and set the pre filter at the intake side and the hepa on the out flow side. I got a 10" inline fan (800cfm I think) that I plan to mount between the 2 filters and plug to a fan speed controller and timer. It the is piped with 3" PVC to a like 35 gal elongated storage tub that will have water in it and 2 or 3 5 head ultrasonic pond fogers set on a timer. It then will go to a manifold made of ball valves to regulate the flow and split it off from 1 trunk line to 3 that then are piped overhead and vent into the rooms. In theory the air will come in be some what cleaned then humidified then sent to the fruiting chambers as needed. By adding the manifold I hope to be able to direct flow and even shut down rooms if not in use. We will see. I also hope the flow will sort of produce a small positive pressure in each room helping to keep out any bad stuff in the air. I'm not in the best configuration as I have learned but I see vids of grass huts and open air spawning of substrate so I'm 1 up on that any way. I do not have a store front and we have no farmers market here. closest farmers are 150 miles away. But what we do have is LOT'S or restaurants and health conscious people. I am trying to sell to them. I have done lots of small grows and handed out samples, talked to people/restaurants and have been received pretty good so I'm doing a big grow now (just went to the mainland and got 26 full size bales of wheat straw!!!
sounds great man it's a hell of a feeling huh? Sounds like you're on the right track, but you may need a stronger fan if you're piping that into 3 rooms. Maybe some smaller exhaust fans in the rooms?
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Mangomankw
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Re: larger caps [Re: drake89]
#18834377 - 09/12/13 09:04 PM (10 years, 4 months ago) |
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drake89 said:
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CAP_TURTLE said: Thanks for sharing dude! When you say hepa do you mean a true hepa or one you could buy at the store? How big and how thick? Either way what are you planning on useing for a blower? One last question lol What is your method of getting rid of your mushrooms. Do you have a storefront, sell at market, or out of your house?
I am using a 12" x 12" best quality pre filter I could get at Home Depot (all we have here) and a 12" x 12" 95% 0r 97% efficient hepa also home Depo. I made a box and set the pre filter at the intake side and the hepa on the out flow side. I got a 10" inline fan (800cfm I think) that I plan to mount between the 2 filters and plug to a fan speed controller and timer. It the is piped with 3" PVC to a like 35 gal elongated storage tub that will have water in it and 2 or 3 5 head ultrasonic pond fogers set on a timer. It then will go to a manifold made of ball valves to regulate the flow and split it off from 1 trunk line to 3 that then are piped overhead and vent into the rooms. In theory the air will come in be some what cleaned then humidified then sent to the fruiting chambers as needed. By adding the manifold I hope to be able to direct flow and even shut down rooms if not in use. We will see. I also hope the flow will sort of produce a small positive pressure in each room helping to keep out any bad stuff in the air. I'm not in the best configuration as I have learned but I see vids of grass huts and open air spawning of substrate so I'm 1 up on that any way. I do not have a store front and we have no farmers market here. closest farmers are 150 miles away. But what we do have is LOT'S or restaurants and health conscious people. I am trying to sell to them. I have done lots of small grows and handed out samples, talked to people/restaurants and have been received pretty good so I'm doing a big grow now (just went to the mainland and got 26 full size bales of wheat straw!!!
sounds great man it's a hell of a feeling huh? Sounds like you're on the right track, but you may need a stronger fan if you're piping that into 3 rooms. Maybe some smaller exhaust fans in the rooms?
I have some other fans and can up size if needed. I am very new to this and value any input so thanks. Right now I have electrical issues, keep popping the breaker and only landlord can get to it, but if things go well I will move or add more outlets or something.
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solarity
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You only need hepa for a lab not for a grow room. A pre-filter will be fine. I don't use any room filtration and I grow 140kg/300lbs a week.
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Re: larger caps [Re: solarity]
#18836601 - 09/13/13 11:45 AM (10 years, 4 months ago) |
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solarity said: You only need hepa for a lab not for a grow room. A pre-filter will be fine. I don't use any room filtration and I grow 140kg/300lbs a week.
yup. it is a waste of hepa. we just use a plain ole furnace filter that is you can clean. once a month i take it out and hose it real good. put it back in. waa laa! mostly to keep bugs out. Lets face it, there are a lot more mold spores INSIDE the average grow room than OUTSIDE! by the time you notice trich, it has already likely spread a lot of spores and bags contaminate all the time
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Mangomankw
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Well in my defense I am new to this trying to supplement my income and living in a tropical environment taking in outside air and in a warehouse I thought the 10-12 dollar investment would not hurt. I am hoping my positive pressure idea will also help. I really appreciate all the input and advice it has really helped. And as I look about it seems my Phoenix caps are about normal I just need better flushes.
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Mangomankw said: Well in my defense I am new to this trying to supplement my income and living in a tropical environment taking in outside air and in a warehouse I thought the 10-12 dollar investment would not hurt. I am hoping my positive pressure idea will also help. I really appreciate all the input and advice it has really helped. And as I look about it seems my Phoenix caps are about normal I just need better flushes.
Sure thing. And it doesn't hurt anything by any means to use a hepa filter. Just not necessary. You should try fruiting out some abm where you live. Also run some pinks and yellows.
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Mangomankw
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Mangomankw said: Well in my defense I am new to this trying to supplement my income and living in a tropical environment taking in outside air and in a warehouse I thought the 10-12 dollar investment would not hurt. I am hoping my positive pressure idea will also help. I really appreciate all the input and advice it has really helped. And as I look about it seems my Phoenix caps are about normal I just need better flushes.
Sure thing. And it doesn't hurt anything by any means to use a hepa filter. Just not necessary. You should try fruiting out some abm where you live. Also run some pinks and yellows.
Got them ordered but not elm. I am going to get some though for sure. I'm in Key West and it can be hard and expensive to get some items, wheat straw for one and anything in a 50lb bag cost more to ship than buy. But so far I have been selling my oysters at 3$oz, 12$ 1/2pound, 20$lb...I hope as I ramp up production I can move more of them!
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