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Everything Happens For A Reason
#18831031 - 09/12/13 02:16 AM (10 years, 4 months ago) |
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If that's true, then what's the reason that everything happens for a reason?
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Re: Everything Happens For A Reason [Re: Diploid]
#18831054 - 09/12/13 02:27 AM (10 years, 4 months ago) |
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Is the answer to make us wonder?
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Re: Everything Happens For A Reason [Re: Diploid]
#18831078 - 09/12/13 02:51 AM (10 years, 4 months ago) |
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It's a way of looking at things you can't change. I mean it happened so there isn't much of a point in considering it could have been any other way.
Amirite?
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Re: Everything Happens For A Reason [Re: Diploid]
#18831971 - 09/12/13 10:46 AM (10 years, 4 months ago) |
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I think the reason that everything happens for a reason is pretty simple: it's an axiom of the universe's structure.
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Re: Everything Happens For A Reason [Re: Penelope_Tree] 4
#18832005 - 09/12/13 10:57 AM (10 years, 4 months ago) |
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Everything does happen for a reason, and that reason is there was a series of actions that you took that led you to that exact moment where something happened to you.
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Re: Everything Happens For A Reason [Re: Penelope_Tree]
#18834513 - 09/12/13 09:38 PM (10 years, 4 months ago) |
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I think the reason that everything happens for a reason is pretty simple: it's an axiom of the universe's structure.
Oh, quite simple, until you try to make any specific claims about such laws of nature
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Re: Everything Happens For A Reason [Re: Diploid]
#18838967 - 09/13/13 09:32 PM (10 years, 4 months ago) |
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Diploid said: If that's true, then what's the reason that everything happens for a reason? 
If what's true?
I think most things happen because of chance, although people seem capable of throwing some anthropomorphism into the mix.
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Re: Everything Happens For A Reason [Re: LunarEclipse]
#18839045 - 09/13/13 09:49 PM (10 years, 4 months ago) |
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I think most things happen because of chance, although people seem capable of throwing some anthropomorphism into the mix
It's almost like there's a craps dealer up there somewhere.
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Re: Everything Happens For A Reason [Re: Rahz]
#18839857 - 09/14/13 02:12 AM (10 years, 4 months ago) |
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When you get yourself and your mind right, opportunities start to present themselves. The universe has some kind of "fair play" built into it. It's very much a living, divine universe.
Please don't post any pictures of African children being eaten by vultures. I still have no explanation.
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Re: Everything Happens For A Reason [Re: Diploid]
#18840053 - 09/14/13 04:10 AM (10 years, 4 months ago) |
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The reasons are not only in the past.
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Re: Everything Happens For A Reason [Re: circastes]
#18840266 - 09/14/13 07:42 AM (10 years, 4 months ago) |
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The universe has some kind of "fair play" built into it. It's very much a living, divine universe.
Tell us all about how that works!
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Re: Everything Happens For A Reason [Re: Rahz]
#18842044 - 09/14/13 06:54 PM (10 years, 4 months ago) |
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Rahz said:
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I think most things happen because of chance, although people seem capable of throwing some anthropomorphism into the mix
It's almost like there's a craps dealer up there somewhere. 
7 out! New shooter!
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Re: Everything Happens For A Reason [Re: Rahz]
#18842132 - 09/14/13 07:19 PM (10 years, 4 months ago) |
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Rahz said:
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The universe has some kind of "fair play" built into it. It's very much a living, divine universe.
Tell us all about how that works!
Eh I know it sounds ridiculous but the universe isn't at all what science thinks it is. At all.
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Re: Everything Happens For A Reason [Re: circastes]
#18842166 - 09/14/13 07:29 PM (10 years, 4 months ago) |
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circastes said:
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Rahz said:
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The universe has some kind of "fair play" built into it. It's very much a living, divine universe.
Tell us all about how that works!
Eh I know it sounds ridiculous but the universe isn't at all what science thinks it is. At all.
7 out! New shooter!
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Re: Everything Happens For A Reason [Re: circastes]
#18842187 - 09/14/13 07:38 PM (10 years, 4 months ago) |
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circastes said: When you get yourself and your mind right, opportunities start to present themselves. The universe has some kind of "fair play" built into it. It's very much a living, divine universe.
Please don't post any pictures of African children being eaten by vultures. I still have no explanation.
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Re: Everything Happens For A Reason [Re: Diploid]
#18842193 - 09/14/13 07:40 PM (10 years, 4 months ago) |
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Diploid said: If that's true, then what's the reason that everything happens for a reason? 
Do you count "because it just does" as a reason?
If so, then everything happens for the same reason.
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Re: Everything Happens For A Reason [Re: circastes]
#18842616 - 09/14/13 09:44 PM (10 years, 4 months ago) |
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circastes said:
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Rahz said:
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The universe has some kind of "fair play" built into it. It's very much a living, divine universe.
Tell us all about how that works!
Eh I know it sounds ridiculous but the universe isn't at all what science thinks it is. At all.
Science doesn't know what the 'universe' is. Anyway, I'm a fan of the karma concept. What comes around tends to go around but I'm not sure that correlates with fairness except that fairness and unfairness are built into the karmic cycle.
Didn't someone say "Life's not fair"?
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Re: Everything Happens For A Reason [Re: Rahz]
#18842771 - 09/14/13 10:50 PM (10 years, 4 months ago) |
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There is some kind of fair play built in. If you get everything right, people will start showing up in your life that will be just the people you were looking for. Things like that.
I also think there is some objective good coursing through all of us. We are divine beings, we are essentially good. This universe is no mistake and it's not all for nothing. If we get ourselves 'right', goodness will pour into the world.
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Re: Everything Happens For A Reason [Re: circastes]
#18842785 - 09/14/13 10:54 PM (10 years, 4 months ago) |
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It appears to be life itself is a kind of intellectual problem or EVERYTHING is some kind of challenge to your brain power. If you start solving everything you don't like about life, instead of taking easier, 'dumber' routes, you will reap benefits. This seems to be how it works.
That's the main thing to understand, it's all a construct reactive to your thoughts, if your thoughts start to figure out what it is, it begins to do unexpected things, it seems to attempt to avoid you solving it entirely.
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Re: Everything Happens For A Reason [Re: circastes]
#18842926 - 09/14/13 11:43 PM (10 years, 4 months ago) |
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circastes said: There is some kind of fair play built in. If you get everything right, people will start showing up in your life that will be just the people you were looking for. Things like that.
False, the elephant man had no choice, there was nothing to get right. Anymore than so many others. You're thinking in Disney world logic
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I also think there is some objective good coursing through all of us. We are divine beings, we are essentially good. This universe is no mistake and it's not all for nothing. If we get ourselves 'right', goodness will pour into the world.
Where does all this come from? I think you're just telling yourself this to feel more comfortable
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Re: Everything Happens For A Reason [Re: Repertoire89]
#18843147 - 09/15/13 01:44 AM (10 years, 4 months ago) |
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You are a divine being because you are a manifestation of God.
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Re: Everything Happens For A Reason [Re: circastes]
#18844400 - 09/15/13 12:32 PM (10 years, 4 months ago) |
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circastes said: You are a divine being because you are a manifestation of God.
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Re: Everything Happens For A Reason [Re: LunarEclipse]
#18844424 - 09/15/13 12:38 PM (10 years, 4 months ago) |
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Re: Everything Happens For A Reason [Re: circastes]
#18844522 - 09/15/13 01:10 PM (10 years, 4 months ago) |
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Re: Everything Happens For A Reason [Re: LunarEclipse]
#18844548 - 09/15/13 01:19 PM (10 years, 4 months ago) |
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Hey ! Well i would look at it from a more scientific point of view. Nothing can happen without a cause so everything must happen for a reason. Now the question would only be - is it because of determinism or the random behavior of "Stuff" on the very small scale.
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Re: Everything Happens For A Reason [Re: LunarEclipse]
#18844700 - 09/15/13 02:09 PM (10 years, 4 months ago) |
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ah geez
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Re: Everything Happens For A Reason [Re: circastes]
#18844840 - 09/15/13 02:44 PM (10 years, 4 months ago) |
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circastes said: You are a divine being because you are a manifestation of God.
Do you seriously think this? Have you ever reconstructed your point of view without any assumptions?
I'm willing to bet if you laid everything on the table that you know and work towards a new perspective, it would not include anything concerning a deity. Even if you've seen a deity what makes you think that experience was real, and if it is real - subjective?
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Re: Everything Happens For A Reason [Re: Repertoire89]
#18845395 - 09/15/13 05:18 PM (10 years, 4 months ago) |
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We are the imagination of ourselves. This is some kind of dream. If you imagine your true self you will appear as God.
Listen to the lyrics of this song since we're posting songs at random here.
This is all from my experience.
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Re: Everything Happens For A Reason [Re: circastes]
#18845682 - 09/15/13 06:18 PM (10 years, 4 months ago) |
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circastes said: We are the imagination of ourselves. This is some kind of dream. If you imagine your true self you will appear as God.
Listen to the lyrics of this song since we're posting songs at random here.
This is all from my experience.
Na Na Na Na.
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Re: Everything Happens For A Reason [Re: circastes]
#18845697 - 09/15/13 06:21 PM (10 years, 4 months ago) |
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Not to deflate the subjective nature of wonderment and joy but divinity is a word that requires an anti point. If there is divinity there must be the non-divine, but it seems that everything is 'of God'. Therefore everything is divine and using that word to characterize some aspect of reality doesn't mean anything. It's the same as saying 'it is as it is'.
Anyway, there are two notions about 'how it works'. The first notion can easily be painted in the material world. A comet is headed towards a star system which holds 4 planets. It's on a collision course with planet #3. It would be unfair if the comet arbitrarily veered for no reason and hit planet #2 or 1 instead. Such is the robust nature of the entanglement that the fundamental randomness of quantum mechanics cannot change the only possible outcome. We also can guess based upon our knowledge of physics that without some force seen or unseen there is no reason why the comet would veer. The second notion is that humans somehow disobey these basic principals. This would account for both 'doing wrong' and 'correcting wrong', two things which wouldn't occur in non-life forms. However there is a possibility.
Like comets and planets humans are highly entangled forms of energy. Generally speaking the form isn't affected by fundamental randomness, but the brains of an animal allow for minute changes to cause a cascade of activity. It could be that animals, and humans especially are affected by quantum activity. It could also be that background radiation affects the brain in similar ways by creating a randomly changing frequency of activity which would generally be discarded by the brain. In either case there is no surety that the brains error filtering capability is 100%. Therefore it may be possible that brained activity and it's physical effects are to some degree a fractal with novel components which can not be predicted.
And this is a totally separate issue than that of karma which is complex enough, though it's possible that the effects of quantum mechanics aren't random, just incalculable and tied to space time in a way we don't understand. So perhaps in a way everything is fair but when it comes to humans, fairness generally carries more reliable connotations.
If everything is fair using that word to characterize some aspect of reality doesn't mean anything. There must be unfairness and fairness together. "Life's not fair" is an inherently problematic phrase, but so too is "Life is fair". It is as it is.
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Re: Everything Happens For A Reason [Re: Rahz]
#18850122 - 09/16/13 04:49 PM (10 years, 4 months ago) |
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The reason being the direction of reason, me thinks.
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