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Using Salvia to change and contemplate about life
    #18830976 - 09/12/13 01:53 AM (10 years, 4 months ago)

I need to clear my thoughts, to think about things in ways I've thought before. To simply, think about life. I am NOT looking to run away from problems, but instead to think about everything in my life, the good, the bad, the stress, the love, the hate, the worries, the future, and the people. I was thinking that salvia could help with that. I read about salvia, and I know it is not a fun and social drug like weed; good because that is not what I want. So I need advice, will salvia change a person, give them insight, help them or will it just leave them more stoned than a statue: dumb and numb? I am not looking for a good time. I realize salvia can be very scary, I would not only love a good trip but also a scary trip that would benefit me. Do you think salvia could help someone find what I am looking for, and how much would they need to do, should he try to do as much as he can in one sitting?


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Re: Using Salvia to change and contemplate about life [Re: BlackPen]
    #18830990 - 09/12/13 01:59 AM (10 years, 4 months ago)

Get to know her at first, not all-out.  10x extract should be fine to work with.  Hold in the hits for a long while.

You seem to have good intentions and she (salvia) will respect this.  But at the same time, don't focus solely on those intentions at first: appreciate the gift for a minute or two before moving your attention towards your contemplation.


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4)Morning Glory-HBWR (+cumin, cinnamon aldehyde adducts) > Methyl chavicol (need more activators)
5)Salvia (need to try quid)


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Re: Using Salvia to change and contemplate about life [Re: flickedbic]
    #18831058 - 09/12/13 02:30 AM (10 years, 4 months ago)

Thanks, that is vital information. I was originally thinking I wanted to leave myself to salvia without prior experience so the trip would be more intense and less familiar, but you are more educated so I will avoid that.


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Re: Using Salvia to change and contemplate about life [Re: BlackPen]
    #18831281 - 09/12/13 06:20 AM (10 years, 4 months ago)

Hmm, for me personally, in contrast to the classic psychedelics like shrooms or acid, salvia does not really allow much in the way of contemplation. 

It tends to take me so far out of my normal reality that it's impossible to reflect on my sober life.


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Re: Using Salvia to change and contemplate about life [Re: Sleepwalker]
    #18831483 - 09/12/13 08:01 AM (10 years, 4 months ago)

IDK....to me...that would be along the lines of say...Drinking a fifth of Vodka to help learn math:shrug:


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Re: Using Salvia to change and contemplate about life [Re: BlackPen] * 1
    #18831597 - 09/12/13 08:37 AM (10 years, 4 months ago)

Just be careful with it man these extracts people are smoking are no joke, I think it's likely that after you 'break through' you'll become hesitant to use it in the future, I sure am.
Whenever I take enough to have a full experience I totally forget everything about my life, its like self induced amnesia, I know some would say that's because I'm doing too much but if I do even a bit less all that happens is everything around me turns into a comic book page and I get an awkward body high.
Salvia almost always gives a terrifying experience but don't let me put you off trying it, you might love it, it's certainly one of the most interesting psychedelics that there is.


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Re: Using Salvia to change and contemplate about life [Re: Sketch Turner]
    #18832321 - 09/12/13 12:49 PM (10 years, 4 months ago)

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It tends to take me so far out of my normal reality that it's impossible to reflect on my sober life.
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That is the gift to appreciate/abide in.  The comedown is for contemplation and starting integration.

Dunno why quotes are f'ed.


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2)Amanita (urine drank twice)
3)Mushrooms > Achuma 16"+cid(still need higher dose Achuma)> Cid (still need high dose)
4)Morning Glory-HBWR (+cumin, cinnamon aldehyde adducts) > Methyl chavicol (need more activators)
5)Salvia (need to try quid)


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Blessing.


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Re: Using Salvia to change and contemplate about life [Re: flickedbic] * 1
    #18832359 - 09/12/13 12:56 PM (10 years, 4 months ago)

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I need to clear my thoughts, to think about things in ways I've thought before. To simply, think about life. I am NOT looking to run away from problems, but instead to think about everything in my life, the good, the bad, the stress, the love, the hate, the worries, the future, and the people. I was thinking that salvia could help with that.




:ilold:

If you want to think about your life, why not reserve some time and just do it? Start by looking at what you did today, what you did yesterday, what you will do tomorrow and so on and so on.


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Re: Using Salvia to change and contemplate about life [Re: Lord_McLovin]
    #18832744 - 09/12/13 02:36 PM (10 years, 4 months ago)

You can Lol all you want, I respect your opinion! Setting time aside hasn't worked so I figured I'd do something to fuck up my mind real hard for a little, and see how I look at things then. If what I want to contemplate about is important than of course I assume that would influence my trip, if it is not then perhaps I will realize that it is not important.


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Re: Using Salvia to change and contemplate about life [Re: BlackPen]
    #18832770 - 09/12/13 02:44 PM (10 years, 4 months ago)

Thanks for all the advice guys, I think Salvia can be beneficial in my situation. I researched the extracts, apparently even 0.1g for 10x extract is enough, so thank you, I know that I must be careful not to overdo. Also would it be safe if someone did 0.9g of 10x extract in one sitting, after trying 0.1g the day before? (With a trust-able friend watching of course)


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Re: Using Salvia to change and contemplate about life [Re: BlackPen]
    #18835689 - 09/13/13 05:17 AM (10 years, 4 months ago)

Good choice on having a trustable friend, its certainly helped me re-assimilate back into reality before.
I'm not sure if we can give dosage advice but 0.9 would probably be too much, salvia has a strange tolerance and sometimes a very small amount is all that you need.
As far as the contemplation of existence goes, don't be surprised if you find out that your entire life has been a joke played on you by everyone you've ever met, that's the type of themes included in my own trances anyway.


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Re: Using Salvia to change and contemplate about life [Re: Sketch Turner]
    #18835928 - 09/13/13 07:59 AM (10 years, 4 months ago)

I'd say most psychedelics (and I mean not just the natural ones, 2cx, 4-subbed-tryptamines even dissociatives) have a lesson to teach. I feel that is not so much true with salvia, but maybe it has to do with ROA and duration, because I also feel DMT doesn't teach much. Kinda just a "wham bam" experience, and some people will say DMT is the most spiritual kind of psychedelic experience there is. I disagree, though its very interesting. I think the best teachers are longer, slower, more stable orally-used tryptamines and phens. I think there is inherently something very strange about salvia in particular, more than DMT, it has a sort of delirium to it (and people on DMT don't jump out windows, maybe because with a breakthrough its hard to move, but this should apply for salvia also).

My real point is that I don't think its much of a guide, but if you don't respond negatively like some people it can be something to really think about after the trip is done. Just don't expect brilliant knowledge while you use it. I personally consider that stuff more dangerous than any rc or natural, except the atropa-based plants and maybe 4-fa (because of halo amphetamine toxicity, such as the cases of 4-ca and 4-ba, though not proven for fa)

EDIT: I am referring to smoked DMT/salvia specifically. I don't know if true psychedelics (not cannabis) work well with me with faster routes. DPT . Ket doesn't teach much either. (All IME)

The real teachers are psilocybin (and 4ho-dipt is awesome too), mescaline, 2c-c and that's pretty much the bulk of it if you ask me, MDMA could be one too, but in a much diff way.


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Re: Using Salvia to change and contemplate about life [Re: Fractal420]
    #18835999 - 09/13/13 08:32 AM (10 years, 4 months ago)

I agree with most of what you're saying, specially the dangers of how you might react to the salvia induced delirium, the last time I did it I had a very confusing, re-animation into this dimension, shall ŵe say.
I've not tried DMT but it still seems slightly hypocritical to me to not include it in your list of 'real teachers', its molecular structure is similar to that of psilocybin after all.


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Re: Using Salvia to change and contemplate about life [Re: Sketch Turner]
    #18836140 - 09/13/13 09:26 AM (10 years, 4 months ago)

Buy some san pedro cactus. That way you will actually have the time to think about your life. On salvia ? psh. Not gonna happen man. I hope you do it, and enjoy it. But please don't expect to get to much thinking done on this stuff. But report back with whatever happens.


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Re: Using Salvia to change and contemplate about life [Re: CounterCulturest]
    #18836475 - 09/13/13 11:09 AM (10 years, 4 months ago)

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But report back with whatever happens.




Or better yet video tape it and upload it to YouTube!
The misuse of the substance is blatant and likely the primary reason it has become illegal in certain places, but I'm not going to lie some of them are pretty funny.


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Re: Using Salvia to change and contemplate about life [Re: CounterCulturest]
    #18836546 - 09/13/13 11:27 AM (10 years, 4 months ago)

From my perspective I'd say salvia will not help you reflect on your life at all because it showed me that our physical lives are so fake and insignificant(the lives/roles we lead are silly, fake and cartoony, or something to that effect). Rather it will do what mushrooms do in a matter of minutes(ego death) in a second, violently ripping your ego and human ideals from you leaving you in a state of confused terror. However (and this is where it gets strange)then a being shows you how your life was like a cartoon and she threatens to "switch the channel"(so to speak) and forever end your existence, which was never real to begin with. Then you eventually come to and understand that your real again. During this phase of the trip you feel very introspective and can contemplate spirituality, and the big truths of existence, your personal life, not so much. I think it could be different for different people though.


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Re: Using Salvia to change and contemplate about life [Re: Fractal420]
    #18836853 - 09/13/13 12:42 PM (10 years, 4 months ago)

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Fractal420 said:
I'd say most psychedelics (and I mean not just the natural ones, 2cx, 4-subbed-tryptamines even dissociatives) have a lesson to teach. I feel that is not so much true with salvia, but maybe it has to do with ROA and duration, because I also feel DMT doesn't teach much. Kinda just a "wham bam" experience, and some people will say DMT is the most spiritual kind of psychedelic experience there is. I disagree, though its very interesting. I think the best teachers are longer, slower, more stable orally-used tryptamines and phens. I think there is inherently something very strange about salvia in particular, more than DMT, it has a sort of delirium to it (and people on DMT don't jump out windows, maybe because with a breakthrough its hard to move, but this should apply for salvia also).

My real point is that I don't think its much of a guide, but if you don't respond negatively like some people it can be something to really think about after the trip is done. Just don't expect brilliant knowledge while you use it. I personally consider that stuff more dangerous than any rc or natural, except the atropa-based plants and maybe 4-fa (because of halo amphetamine toxicity, such as the cases of 4-ca and 4-ba, though not proven for fa)

EDIT: I am referring to smoked DMT/salvia specifically. I don't know if true psychedelics (not cannabis) work well with me with faster routes. DPT . Ket doesn't teach much either. (All IME)

The real teachers are psilocybin (and 4ho-dipt is awesome too), mescaline, 2c-c and that's pretty much the bulk of it if you ask me, MDMA could be one too, but in a much diff way.




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Re: Using Salvia to change and contemplate about life [Re: BlackPen]
    #18836903 - 09/13/13 12:56 PM (10 years, 4 months ago)

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BlackPen said:
I need to clear my thoughts, to think about things in ways I've thought before. To simply, think about life. I am NOT looking to run away from problems, but instead to think about everything in my life, the good, the bad, the stress, the love, the hate, the worries, the future, and the people.




You could try salvia and let us know how it goes. I honestly don't think it's what you're looking for but hey, I could be completely wrong! If you're looking for introspection/contemplation, try LSD or mushrooms and sit alone or with a friend. If you want to think about everything in the world from a positive angle, get your hands on some MDMA and talk with a friend. It can be very therapeutic if used this way. Good luck whatever you do!


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Re: Using Salvia to change and contemplate about life [Re: Lord_McLovin]
    #18874824 - 09/22/13 06:33 AM (10 years, 4 months ago)

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Lord_McLovin said:
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Fractal420 said:
I'd say most psychedelics (and I mean not just the natural ones, 2cx, 4-subbed-tryptamines even dissociatives) have a lesson to teach. I feel that is not so much true with salvia, but maybe it has to do with ROA and duration, because I also feel DMT doesn't teach much. Kinda just a "wham bam" experience, and some people will say DMT is the most spiritual kind of psychedelic experience there is. I disagree, though its very interesting. I think the best teachers are longer, slower, more stable orally-used tryptamines and phens. I think there is inherently something very strange about salvia in particular, more than DMT, it has a sort of delirium to it (and people on DMT don't jump out windows, maybe because with a breakthrough its hard to move, but this should apply for salvia also).

My real point is that I don't think its much of a guide, but if you don't respond negatively like some people it can be something to really think about after the trip is done. Just don't expect brilliant knowledge while you use it. I personally consider that stuff more dangerous than any rc or natural, except the atropa-based plants and maybe 4-fa (because of halo amphetamine toxicity, such as the cases of 4-ca and 4-ba, though not proven for fa)

EDIT: I am referring to smoked DMT/salvia specifically. I don't know if true psychedelics (not cannabis) work well with me with faster routes. DPT . Ket doesn't teach much either. (All IME)

The real teachers are psilocybin (and 4ho-dipt is awesome too), mescaline, 2c-c and that's pretty much the bulk of it if you ask me, MDMA could be one too, but in a much diff way.




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This is totally annoying.

Point is: I don't consider salvia a good teacher.


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Re: Using Salvia to change and contemplate about life [Re: Fractal420]
    #18875168 - 09/22/13 09:28 AM (10 years, 4 months ago)

Of course it is man! It's methods are just absurd though haha


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Re: Using Salvia to change and contemplate about life [Re: Sketch Turner]
    #18876045 - 09/22/13 02:01 PM (10 years, 4 months ago)

First of all, I don't think the OP has any clue how terrifying psychs/dissociative drugs can be. If you want an experience to reflect on your life, mushrooms seem to be the best for this. If you are not afraid of a "bad trip", that's even better. I haven't done salvia, so I can't compare "bad trips" between mushrooms and salvia, but I imagine that salvia would be just as scary - or a LOT scarier.

Why would you want to go straight to salvia anyways? What are your opinions on acid/mushrooms?


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Re: Using Salvia to change and contemplate about life [Re: SomeGuyX]
    #18877791 - 09/22/13 08:23 PM (10 years, 4 months ago)

OP, it will work but I'd stay away from smoking the extracts as you start off. I made the mistake of buying the strongest extract I could from a headshop, loading up the bowl to the brim and torch lighting it till it threw me into infinity. Definitely learned a lot from it, but there was too much going on for me to remember.

Learn how to do a "quid," it'll allow for an easier, more drawn out, come up and duration.


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Re: Using Salvia to change and contemplate about life [Re: SycoNautix]
    #18877948 - 09/22/13 09:06 PM (10 years, 4 months ago)

What was the extract amount? 180x?


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Re: Using Salvia to change and contemplate about life [Re: SomeGuyX]
    #18881082 - 09/23/13 03:37 PM (10 years, 4 months ago)

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SomeGuyX said:
What was the extract amount? 180x?




The highest they had was 50x or something.


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Re: Using Salvia to change and contemplate about life [Re: SycoNautix]
    #18881158 - 09/23/13 03:56 PM (10 years, 4 months ago)

edit: nevermind


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Re: Using Salvia to change and contemplate about life [Re: SomeGuyX]
    #18881278 - 09/23/13 04:31 PM (10 years, 4 months ago)

Do you have any experience with any other drugs? Are you on any medications?

In my opinion you are going about this the wrong way. Taking drugs to contemplate making important changes in your life is a bit backwards especially salvia.

Salvia lasts 10-15 minutes and if you take a strong enough dose you will not be thinking about your life but about God only knows what! But go ahead and try if you wish, its an interesting experience, I just do not think you will get what you desire from it.

A lot of times it helps just to talk with other people in your life who love you and tell them what it is you want to change about your life. In doing so you are more likely to stick to those changes because you have announced your intentions to someone you care about instead of just wanting to make a change in your head.


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Re: Using Salvia to change and contemplate about life [Re: thedream]
    #18881322 - 09/23/13 04:44 PM (10 years, 4 months ago)

Want to explore your mind? Take mushrooms.
Want to explore the outdoors and friends? Take LSD.
Want to explore different dimensions? Take DMT.
Want to organize your life and make positive changes? Learn to meditate, lucid dream, and set goals with your life.


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