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OfflineHippieVibes
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Just got illegally searched:l * 1
    #18830780 - 09/12/13 12:11 AM (10 years, 5 months ago)

So i live in LA neer venice beach, a friend and i are just skating to a local weed shop and we notice police kinda give us a strange look as they are passing by.

Shortly after they stop us and start asking us to set out skateboards down and make us both face a wall with our legs spread and hands behind out back (they weren't to aggressive about it but we complied to get away sooner)

then they started patting us down, my friends messing with them slightly by responding with drown out replies, then i suddenly notice the cop sicks his hand in my pocket to my shorts, removes my wallet and phone, (I NEVER CONSENTED, he just knew he wouldnt get in trouble if he did it to me) opens my wallet to look at my ID, gives it back to me after that and leave shortly after with out really telling us why they did all that (but we didnt ask why)

It was honestly pretty lame and i honestly thought police were better then that, you could atleast ask me to remove the stuff from my pockets and treat me with some sort of respect:[
/end rant

So after all this happened to me i was curious about some of shroomeries experiences with similar situations and would love for people to share! (first post btw, ive been lurking forever thought)


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Re: Just got illegally searched:l [Re: HippieVibes]
    #18830806 - 09/12/13 12:19 AM (10 years, 5 months ago)

Why would they search you if they weren't looking to see what you had on you?

Fag police?


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Re: Just got illegally searched:l [Re: HippieVibes]
    #18830809 - 09/12/13 12:21 AM (10 years, 5 months ago)

To my understanding they are perfectly legal to search your person without your consent, I could be wrong though. I don't see why they should be allowed to though without some sort of probable cause or suspicion of you committing a crime. But I know it does happen to people often, and of course they'll get away with it.

I know they are allowed to do a Terry Stop/Search(if they have reason to believe your committing a crime or concealing a weapon) but I'm not entirely sure what that search limited to. I think it means they're allowed to search your person but I could be wrong and that they're only allowed to "frisk" you.

Just be thankful they didn't catch you with something illegal, whether or not the search they did was legal or not, they'll find a reason, doesn't matter if it's the truth, it's still probable cause and that's all they need. It's your word over theirs and I think that's extremely fucked up.


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Re: Just got illegally searched:l [Re: HippieVibes] * 2
    #18830811 - 09/12/13 12:21 AM (10 years, 5 months ago)

I've never been illegally searched, because I tell them no.
You don't have to just blindly comply with every command an officer gives you.


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Re: Just got illegally searched:l [Re: Into The Woods]
    #18830813 - 09/12/13 12:22 AM (10 years, 5 months ago)

Eh....cops can be corrupt. I got an resisting arrest charge WITH USE OF FORCE because the guy broke his thumb punching my face :rolleyes:


Nothing you can do bro :shrug:


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Re: Just got illegally searched:l [Re: Almond Flour] * 5
    #18830829 - 09/12/13 12:27 AM (10 years, 5 months ago)

I have several cops buried in an old gas station service tank on my property.  The last one was put there in 2009 cuz he thought it was a good idea to pull me over in rural Alabama for having a tail light out.  I wonder if the PD has noticed them missing yet.


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Re: Just got illegally searched:l [Re: TopPmz]
    #18830833 - 09/12/13 12:29 AM (10 years, 5 months ago)

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TopPmz said:
I've never been illegally searched, because I tell them no.
You don't have to just blindly comply with every command an officer gives you.



Sadly, it's not always that easy. I've always told every officer I've ever dealt with that I was remaining silent, and that they didn't have consent to search my car. Well, sometimes, it really saved my ass, other times, it just made the cop pissed off and find some completely bullshit reason to arrest me.

If they want to arrest you, they're gonna arrest you, it's very sad how it is. But it is, what it is.


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Re: Just got illegally searched:l [Re: TopPmz]
    #18830851 - 09/12/13 12:36 AM (10 years, 5 months ago)

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TopPmz said:
I've never been illegally searched, because I tell them no.
You don't have to just blindly comply with every command an officer gives you.




i was to caught up in the moment to notice what he really just did there. i was to busy trying to come up with a cover story (i said we were getting pizza right around the corner) so i wouldn't need to say i'm about to buy weed from a dispensery down the block heh:rolleyes:

regardless they are totally not cool for that:mad2:


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Re: Just got illegally searched:l [Re: HippieVibes]
    #18830890 - 09/12/13 12:56 AM (10 years, 5 months ago)

Telling them you were gonna buy weed from a dispensary would have been a horrible idea, coming up with a cover story  would have been a horrible idea, telling them your on your way to see your dying grandmother in the hospital would have been a horrible idea... See where I'm goin bro? You never, ever, ever give the cops any sort of story regardless of the situation. Whether it be true or not, and whenther your innocent or not. Never say a word to the cops, when they ask you any question at all, tell them you're remaining silent.

The only thing you should ever vocalize to a cop is, "I'm remaining silent" and "I will not give you consent to search my car" Thats it. If they ask your name show them your ID, just don't say a goddamn word.


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Re: Just got illegally searched:l [Re: volcomstoner]
    #18830908 - 09/12/13 01:06 AM (10 years, 5 months ago)

welcome to la. you need to show your dominance around here before police search you. usually by asking THEM the questions. you sound young, how old are you?


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Re: Just got illegally searched:l [Re: volcomstoner]
    #18830910 - 09/12/13 01:07 AM (10 years, 5 months ago)

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volcomstoner said:
To my understanding they are perfectly legal to search your person without your consent, I could be wrong though. I don't see why they should be allowed to though without some sort of probable cause or suspicion of you committing a crime. But I know it does happen to people often, and of course they'll get away with it.

I know they are allowed to do a Terry Stop/Search(if they have reason to believe your committing a crime or concealing a weapon) but I'm not entirely sure what that search limited to. I think it means they're allowed to search your person but I could be wrong and that they're only allowed to "frisk" you.

Just be thankful they didn't catch you with something illegal, whether or not the search they did was legal or not, they'll find a reason, doesn't matter if it's the truth, it's still probable cause and that's all they need. It's your word over theirs and I think that's extremely fucked up.




They can't physically inspect anything you're carrying unless they have reasonable suspicion to think its a weapon or paraphernalia of some sort... Its just a pat down. And in a terry search they can't search anything besides the glove box basically.


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Re: Just got illegally searched:l [Re: volcomstoner]
    #18830917 - 09/12/13 01:15 AM (10 years, 5 months ago)

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volcomstoner said:
The only thing you should ever vocalize to a cop is, "I'm remaining silent I'm guilty of something" and "I will not give you consent to search my car There are drugs in the car" Thats it. If they ask your name show them your ID, just don't say a goddamn word.



You say that shit they know something is up. That is not how an normal innocent citizen acts.

You want to know how to deal with cops? Treat them like any other person, that they just wanted to stop you to say hi, and you don't have the slightest clue why they would think you've done anything wrong. You would have gotten a lot further by saying "Heya officer, whats up? You want me to face the wall? Wha? Why? we're just skating.."


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Re: Just got illegally searched:l [Re: Lynnch] * 1
    #18830929 - 09/12/13 01:23 AM (10 years, 5 months ago)

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Lynnch said:
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volcomstoner said:
The only thing you should ever vocalize to a cop is, "I'm remaining silent I'm guilty of something" and "I will not give you consent to search my car There are drugs in the car" Thats it. If they ask your name show them your ID, just don't say a goddamn word.



You say that shit they know something is up. That is not how an normal innocent citizen acts.

You want to know how to deal with cops? Treat them like any other person, that they just wanted to stop you to say hi, and you don't have the slightest clue why they would think you've done anything wrong. You would have gotten a lot further by saying "Heya officer, whats up? You want me to face the wall? Wha? Why? we're just skating.."





Or do like I do. (See my previous post)


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Re: Just got illegally searched:l [Re: volcomstoner]
    #18830933 - 09/12/13 01:28 AM (10 years, 5 months ago)

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volcomstoner said:
To my understanding they are perfectly legal to search your person without your consent, I could be wrong though. I don't see why they should be allowed to though without some sort of probable cause or suspicion of you committing a crime. But I know it does happen to people often, and of course they'll get away with it.

I know they are allowed to do a Terry Stop/Search(if they have reason to believe your committing a crime or concealing a weapon) but I'm not entirely sure what that search limited to. I think it means they're allowed to search your person but I could be wrong and that they're only allowed to "frisk" you.

Just be thankful they didn't catch you with something illegal, whether or not the search they did was legal or not, they'll find a reason, doesn't matter if it's the truth, it's still probable cause and that's all they need. It's your word over theirs and I think that's extremely fucked up.




Nothing that they do to us is "legal" and anyone who "stands under" or understands, will always be made "subject" to their "authority".

A "person" is many different things.... its defined in legal dictionaries as anything from a being who is capable of rights and duties, to a slave, who has no rights..... but we are not "persons".. the general view that the "state" has over us are "subjects"....

Subjects are things with no rights, or any place of "authority"... we are subjugated, we are nothing more than cattle to them.....

The problem is, we are all misinformed, instilled with fear, and end up obeying, complying, and co operating with them..... NEVER COM PLY... NEVER OBEY, and NEVER CO OPERATE.... they are nothing less than bubonic terrorists.... and they don't even know it themselves.... Unless you are a crime... or some sort of idiot, who gets off doing idiotic shit, like being a tough guy, or stealing... you know, the general idiotic things human beings do.. then in the eyes of the universe you are fine....

next time they do it... politely but sternly tell them you do not assent to them doing anything against you.... con senting, is a con.... anything con is basically a con.... hold your ground, and never lose it, or be too rude, though some security staff find people with balls a little offensive, and like to beat them round a bit.... But if you have committed no crimes.... like bad crimes, that carry indictable penalties, then never "understand" them.... when they ask you "do you understand" (stand under) tell them absolutely not... I stand under nobody... and that is all.... they trick us with their words... its all about disempowering us.....

But anyway.... go and download your criminal code... read it.... the criminal code is all you need to worry about... maybe felonies or whatever it is over there... find out criminal responsibility... and get to know your law.... even carry a copy of it with you..... get smart... :wink:


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Re: Just got illegally searched:l [Re: ATTA] * 1
    #18830938 - 09/12/13 01:31 AM (10 years, 5 months ago)

They didn't do anything illegal. They have 100% right to search your persons.

If you are carrying a backpack, and get stopped. SET YOUR BACKPACK ON THE GROUND AWAY FROM YOU. If it is on you, that is considered part of your persons and they have the right to search that too without consent.


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Re: Just got illegally searched:l [Re: Lynnch]
    #18831027 - 09/12/13 02:15 AM (10 years, 5 months ago)

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Lynnch said:
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volcomstoner said:
The only thing you should ever vocalize to a cop is, "I'm remaining silent I'm guilty of something" and "I will not give you consent to search my car There are drugs in the car" Thats it. If they ask your name show them your ID, just don't say a goddamn word.



You say that shit they know something is up. That is not how an normal innocent citizen acts.

You want to know how to deal with cops? Treat them like any other person, that they just wanted to stop you to say hi, and you don't have the slightest clue why they would think you've done anything wrong. You would have gotten a lot further by saying "Heya officer, whats up? You want me to face the wall? Wha? Why? we're just skating.."



I do understand what your saying, telling the cop your remaining silent right away really pisses them off and will sometimes just makenthem try harder. But if. Bot guilty of something, well yhen i have nothinh to worry about so no use talking them potentially incriminating yiurself for something you didnt do. But alsonif i am guilty well id rather jusy not make it any worse by talking to cops incriminating yourself for not only what you are guilty of but also something you may not be guitly of. Im still not going to talk to them, i guess it depends on the situation but if the cop is obviously coming after me trying to bust me for anything them i definitelynwont day anything. I mean what if i go to court and couldbhave had the charges thrown out for whatever reason but you cant becauae you talkd and the cop was able to make you incriminate yourself. My attorneys have always been hapoy as hell that i never spoke a word to the police when i was arrested.

One thing that woked whe  i was a lot younger i would say i come from a family with many lawyers and that they always instructed me to always remain silent around police. That way instead of seeming suspicious i would just sound like i was a kid that listened to what his parents taught him. Of course this really onmy woked when i was under 18


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Re: Just got illegally searched:l [Re: MushyMatt]
    #18831068 - 09/12/13 02:42 AM (10 years, 5 months ago)

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MushyMatt said:
They didn't do anything illegal. They have 100% right to search your persons.

If you are carrying a backpack, and get stopped. SET YOUR BACKPACK ON THE GROUND AWAY FROM YOU. If it is on you, that is considered part of your persons and they have the right to search that too without consent.



I live in UK and police need a reason to search you.  They also have to tell you  under what law they are searching you


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Re: Just got illegally searched:l [Re: Lynnch]
    #18831143 - 09/12/13 04:17 AM (10 years, 5 months ago)

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Lynnch said:
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volcomstoner said:
The only thing you should ever vocalize to a cop is, "I'm remaining silent I'm guilty of something" and "I will not give you consent to search my car There are drugs in the car" Thats it. If they ask your name show them your ID, just don't say a goddamn word.



You say that shit they know something is up. That is not how an normal innocent citizen acts.

You want to know how to deal with cops? Treat them like any other person, that they just wanted to stop you to say hi, and you don't have the slightest clue why they would think you've done anything wrong. You would have gotten a lot further by saying "Heya officer, whats up? You want me to face the wall? Wha? Why? we're just skating.."



This is exactly correct you have to treat them just like any other person, be respectful, shoot the shit with them and just act like they are there to protect you, not detain you for something you did wrong. You act like they are just making sure everything's alright and you suddenly don't seem so suspicious.

I wont go into detail too much but using this technique, I had a conversation with a cop that was detaining me for underage drinking while I was on 700mcg+of Lucy(I had an extreme tolerance to cid at that point), he ended up letting my friends and I go because they were looking for meth heads that frequented that area and there had been a lot of car jackings and a few stabbings over drugs and prostitution.

While he searched our car we just talked about how it was a nice night and the view from where we were was nice, we even talked about school and stuff he was very cool about it, he probably though I was just smoking weed but I had nothing but pupils :lol:.Also I had medical cannabis, Xanax , alcohol and adderal but since I was prescribed everything, he was fine with it.
My cannabis recommendation had expired a few days before that too.
Right before they left he said, just get that cannabis card renued and stop drinking in dangerous areas


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Re: Just got illegally searched:l [Re: ATTA]
    #18831204 - 09/12/13 05:11 AM (10 years, 5 months ago)

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ATTA said:The problem is, we are all misinformed, instilled with fear, and end up obeying, complying, and co operating with them..... NEVER COM PLY... NEVER OBEY, and NEVER CO OPERATE.... they are nothing less than bubonic terrorists.... and they don't even know it themselves....




Come on, man. It sounds like you've been instilled with fear. Just treat them like they are people, which they are.


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Re: Just got illegally searched:l [Re: chooken]
    #18831226 - 09/12/13 05:32 AM (10 years, 5 months ago)

I've been searched so many times and said no, but they tell me why they can. Just treat them nice, they will do a lot less if you just treat them like friends. And if you're riding/walking dirty, make sure it's hidden so fucking well you can't even find it. I've also been searched and they just pass up the goods, so don't make them feel that you have something because they will look harder.


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