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Leon76


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Tincture problems
#18830883 - 09/12/13 12:51 AM (10 years, 4 months ago) |
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I need some help with my tincture. I ground 30 grams of dry shrooms which I poured into a coffee press along with a good amount of everclear. I then stored the solution in the freezer, for 5 days, agitating the mixture a few times each day. On the 6th day I poured the solution into a glass container and then in a baine marie, or double boiler, I brought the mix to 180 degrees and let it reduce. I then strained the liquid making sure to squeeze the excess out of the pulp before discarding. I then put the solution back in the double boiler and let it reduce until 30ml. After allowing the solution to cool slightly, I loaded it up in a syringe where it sat for a couple weeks in the freezer before being tested. Both my friend and I did 3ml and after an hour of nothing tried another 2ml. There was a slight body buzz but nothing like it should have been. Does anyone have any idea where I went wrong? I would like to try this again but I don't really want to waste a ton of shrooms getting this right, if that's even possible. So, any help?
Edited by Leon76 (09/13/13 11:57 AM)
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Leon76


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Re: Tincture problems [Re: Leon76]
#18836263 - 09/13/13 10:02 AM (10 years, 4 months ago) |
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Anyone?
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Re: Tincture problems (moved) [Re: Leon76]
#18837361 - 09/13/13 03:16 PM (10 years, 4 months ago) |
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This thread was moved from Advanced Mycology.
Reason: Off topic in advanced mycology.
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Leon76


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Re: Tincture problems (moved) [Re: RogerRabbit]
#18837867 - 09/13/13 05:35 PM (10 years, 4 months ago) |
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The man of the site moves my question but doesn't help answer it? I am saddened. I read from you that you have done it successfully, locking yourself in your office for a paperwork day I believe. Thanks for moving me though!!
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Re: Tincture problems (moved) [Re: Leon76]
#18841480 - 09/14/13 03:51 PM (10 years, 4 months ago) |
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Psilocybin/psilocin are LESS soluble in cold alcohol; the colder the alcohol, the more slowly these compounds will come out. Therefore, in my opinion, soaking the mushrooms in alcohol in a freezer is a waste of time. If you're going to soak first, use room temperature alcohol and don't put it in the freezer.
But, imo there is no need for a pre-soak if you follow PF's tek: http://www.fanaticus.com/mycoalki.htm
In short: a. grind/pulverize mushrooms b. add 2 or more times the volume of grain alcohol c. heat in double boiler, raising the temp of the alcohol as high as possible without boiling over. Everclear boils around 173F while water boils at 212F. So your alcohol will boil way before the water will. I measure the WATER temperature and attempt to get it stable at around 160F, ensuring the alcohol will not boil over while I step away. d. continue heating in double boiler for 3 hours, stirring occasionally. e. filter the material HOT, keeping the liquid. f. return mushrooms to double boiler, adding alcohol and repeating the process. I stop after the second extraction, but you may decide to go a 3rd or 4th one. It can make for a long day... g. place a fan next to/over the retained alcohol extract and allow the alcohol to evaporate SLOWLY over hours or (more likely) days.
IF you want crystals, evaporate the alcohol as far as possible and then use desiccant to remove the very last of the alcohol from the crystals. Store crystals in an air-tight container with desiccant, in a freezer if possible.
Hope this helps!
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Re: Tincture problems (moved) [Re: Bilge]
#18864836 - 09/19/13 07:58 PM (10 years, 4 months ago) |
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You don't need to use heat in the extraction and you don't want to boil your solvent down either. If any actives at all survive that process then you're really lucky.
The crystals are inactives BTW. By boiling down the solution you're just forcing some actives to deposit in and on the inactive crystals.
Grain alcohol is also less optimal than the proper mix. 75% (150 proof) has been reported as the optimal mix in the literature.
The best method IMHO is to dry, grind/powder, then add to bacardi 151 (or 100 proof vodka). Save this until ready for use. After a few days you could filter and refrigerate or freeze for longer term storage.
Any heat, exposure to oxygen, or reduction of the solvent will cause massive losses in the extraction.
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Re: Tincture problems (moved) [Re: fastfred]
#18937317 - 10/05/13 06:29 PM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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for god sake just use water. grind your shrooms put in warm or room temperature water (not hot) for 20 min. Then squeeze mushroom dust and filter the watter if you want. Try it out.
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Re: Tincture problems (moved) [Re: Hofmann1943]
#18941469 - 10/06/13 05:53 PM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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Sure, making tea works. It's not particularly efficient and doesn't produce much of a processed or concentrated end product.
The OP seems to want a concentrated tincture. That's just as easy as making tea.
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-------------------- It drinks the alcohol and abstains from the weed or else it gets the hose again. -Chemy The difference between the substances doesn't matter. This is a war on consciousness, on our right to the very essence of what we are. With no control over that, we have no need to speak of freedom or a free society. -fireseed "If we are going to have a war on marijuana, the least we can do is pull the sick and the dying off the battlefield." -Neal Levine (MPP) I find the whole "my drug should be legal but yours should be illegal" mindset disgusting and hypocritical. It's what George Bush and company do when they drink a cocktail and debate the best way to imprison marijuana users. -Diploid
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