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OfflineHippieVibes
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Just got illegally searched:l * 1
    #18830780 - 09/12/13 12:11 AM (10 years, 4 months ago)

So i live in LA neer venice beach, a friend and i are just skating to a local weed shop and we notice police kinda give us a strange look as they are passing by.

Shortly after they stop us and start asking us to set out skateboards down and make us both face a wall with our legs spread and hands behind out back (they weren't to aggressive about it but we complied to get away sooner)

then they started patting us down, my friends messing with them slightly by responding with drown out replies, then i suddenly notice the cop sicks his hand in my pocket to my shorts, removes my wallet and phone, (I NEVER CONSENTED, he just knew he wouldnt get in trouble if he did it to me) opens my wallet to look at my ID, gives it back to me after that and leave shortly after with out really telling us why they did all that (but we didnt ask why)

It was honestly pretty lame and i honestly thought police were better then that, you could atleast ask me to remove the stuff from my pockets and treat me with some sort of respect:[
/end rant

So after all this happened to me i was curious about some of shroomeries experiences with similar situations and would love for people to share! (first post btw, ive been lurking forever thought)


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Re: Just got illegally searched:l [Re: HippieVibes]
    #18830806 - 09/12/13 12:19 AM (10 years, 4 months ago)

Why would they search you if they weren't looking to see what you had on you?

Fag police?


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Re: Just got illegally searched:l [Re: HippieVibes]
    #18830809 - 09/12/13 12:21 AM (10 years, 4 months ago)

To my understanding they are perfectly legal to search your person without your consent, I could be wrong though. I don't see why they should be allowed to though without some sort of probable cause or suspicion of you committing a crime. But I know it does happen to people often, and of course they'll get away with it.

I know they are allowed to do a Terry Stop/Search(if they have reason to believe your committing a crime or concealing a weapon) but I'm not entirely sure what that search limited to. I think it means they're allowed to search your person but I could be wrong and that they're only allowed to "frisk" you.

Just be thankful they didn't catch you with something illegal, whether or not the search they did was legal or not, they'll find a reason, doesn't matter if it's the truth, it's still probable cause and that's all they need. It's your word over theirs and I think that's extremely fucked up.


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Re: Just got illegally searched:l [Re: HippieVibes] * 2
    #18830811 - 09/12/13 12:21 AM (10 years, 4 months ago)

I've never been illegally searched, because I tell them no.
You don't have to just blindly comply with every command an officer gives you.


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Re: Just got illegally searched:l [Re: Into The Woods]
    #18830813 - 09/12/13 12:22 AM (10 years, 4 months ago)

Eh....cops can be corrupt. I got an resisting arrest charge WITH USE OF FORCE because the guy broke his thumb punching my face :rolleyes:


Nothing you can do bro :shrug:


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Re: Just got illegally searched:l [Re: Almond Flour] * 5
    #18830829 - 09/12/13 12:27 AM (10 years, 4 months ago)

I have several cops buried in an old gas station service tank on my property.  The last one was put there in 2009 cuz he thought it was a good idea to pull me over in rural Alabama for having a tail light out.  I wonder if the PD has noticed them missing yet.


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Re: Just got illegally searched:l [Re: TopPmz]
    #18830833 - 09/12/13 12:29 AM (10 years, 4 months ago)

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TopPmz said:
I've never been illegally searched, because I tell them no.
You don't have to just blindly comply with every command an officer gives you.



Sadly, it's not always that easy. I've always told every officer I've ever dealt with that I was remaining silent, and that they didn't have consent to search my car. Well, sometimes, it really saved my ass, other times, it just made the cop pissed off and find some completely bullshit reason to arrest me.

If they want to arrest you, they're gonna arrest you, it's very sad how it is. But it is, what it is.


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Re: Just got illegally searched:l [Re: TopPmz]
    #18830851 - 09/12/13 12:36 AM (10 years, 4 months ago)

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TopPmz said:
I've never been illegally searched, because I tell them no.
You don't have to just blindly comply with every command an officer gives you.




i was to caught up in the moment to notice what he really just did there. i was to busy trying to come up with a cover story (i said we were getting pizza right around the corner) so i wouldn't need to say i'm about to buy weed from a dispensery down the block heh:rolleyes:

regardless they are totally not cool for that:mad2:


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Re: Just got illegally searched:l [Re: HippieVibes]
    #18830890 - 09/12/13 12:56 AM (10 years, 4 months ago)

Telling them you were gonna buy weed from a dispensary would have been a horrible idea, coming up with a cover story  would have been a horrible idea, telling them your on your way to see your dying grandmother in the hospital would have been a horrible idea... See where I'm goin bro? You never, ever, ever give the cops any sort of story regardless of the situation. Whether it be true or not, and whenther your innocent or not. Never say a word to the cops, when they ask you any question at all, tell them you're remaining silent.

The only thing you should ever vocalize to a cop is, "I'm remaining silent" and "I will not give you consent to search my car" Thats it. If they ask your name show them your ID, just don't say a goddamn word.


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Re: Just got illegally searched:l [Re: volcomstoner]
    #18830908 - 09/12/13 01:06 AM (10 years, 4 months ago)

welcome to la. you need to show your dominance around here before police search you. usually by asking THEM the questions. you sound young, how old are you?


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Re: Just got illegally searched:l [Re: volcomstoner]
    #18830910 - 09/12/13 01:07 AM (10 years, 4 months ago)

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To my understanding they are perfectly legal to search your person without your consent, I could be wrong though. I don't see why they should be allowed to though without some sort of probable cause or suspicion of you committing a crime. But I know it does happen to people often, and of course they'll get away with it.

I know they are allowed to do a Terry Stop/Search(if they have reason to believe your committing a crime or concealing a weapon) but I'm not entirely sure what that search limited to. I think it means they're allowed to search your person but I could be wrong and that they're only allowed to "frisk" you.

Just be thankful they didn't catch you with something illegal, whether or not the search they did was legal or not, they'll find a reason, doesn't matter if it's the truth, it's still probable cause and that's all they need. It's your word over theirs and I think that's extremely fucked up.




They can't physically inspect anything you're carrying unless they have reasonable suspicion to think its a weapon or paraphernalia of some sort... Its just a pat down. And in a terry search they can't search anything besides the glove box basically.


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Re: Just got illegally searched:l [Re: volcomstoner]
    #18830917 - 09/12/13 01:15 AM (10 years, 4 months ago)

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The only thing you should ever vocalize to a cop is, "I'm remaining silent I'm guilty of something" and "I will not give you consent to search my car There are drugs in the car" Thats it. If they ask your name show them your ID, just don't say a goddamn word.



You say that shit they know something is up. That is not how an normal innocent citizen acts.

You want to know how to deal with cops? Treat them like any other person, that they just wanted to stop you to say hi, and you don't have the slightest clue why they would think you've done anything wrong. You would have gotten a lot further by saying "Heya officer, whats up? You want me to face the wall? Wha? Why? we're just skating.."


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Re: Just got illegally searched:l [Re: Lynnch] * 1
    #18830929 - 09/12/13 01:23 AM (10 years, 4 months ago)

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volcomstoner said:
The only thing you should ever vocalize to a cop is, "I'm remaining silent I'm guilty of something" and "I will not give you consent to search my car There are drugs in the car" Thats it. If they ask your name show them your ID, just don't say a goddamn word.



You say that shit they know something is up. That is not how an normal innocent citizen acts.

You want to know how to deal with cops? Treat them like any other person, that they just wanted to stop you to say hi, and you don't have the slightest clue why they would think you've done anything wrong. You would have gotten a lot further by saying "Heya officer, whats up? You want me to face the wall? Wha? Why? we're just skating.."





Or do like I do. (See my previous post)


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Re: Just got illegally searched:l [Re: volcomstoner]
    #18830933 - 09/12/13 01:28 AM (10 years, 4 months ago)

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volcomstoner said:
To my understanding they are perfectly legal to search your person without your consent, I could be wrong though. I don't see why they should be allowed to though without some sort of probable cause or suspicion of you committing a crime. But I know it does happen to people often, and of course they'll get away with it.

I know they are allowed to do a Terry Stop/Search(if they have reason to believe your committing a crime or concealing a weapon) but I'm not entirely sure what that search limited to. I think it means they're allowed to search your person but I could be wrong and that they're only allowed to "frisk" you.

Just be thankful they didn't catch you with something illegal, whether or not the search they did was legal or not, they'll find a reason, doesn't matter if it's the truth, it's still probable cause and that's all they need. It's your word over theirs and I think that's extremely fucked up.




Nothing that they do to us is "legal" and anyone who "stands under" or understands, will always be made "subject" to their "authority".

A "person" is many different things.... its defined in legal dictionaries as anything from a being who is capable of rights and duties, to a slave, who has no rights..... but we are not "persons".. the general view that the "state" has over us are "subjects"....

Subjects are things with no rights, or any place of "authority"... we are subjugated, we are nothing more than cattle to them.....

The problem is, we are all misinformed, instilled with fear, and end up obeying, complying, and co operating with them..... NEVER COM PLY... NEVER OBEY, and NEVER CO OPERATE.... they are nothing less than bubonic terrorists.... and they don't even know it themselves.... Unless you are a crime... or some sort of idiot, who gets off doing idiotic shit, like being a tough guy, or stealing... you know, the general idiotic things human beings do.. then in the eyes of the universe you are fine....

next time they do it... politely but sternly tell them you do not assent to them doing anything against you.... con senting, is a con.... anything con is basically a con.... hold your ground, and never lose it, or be too rude, though some security staff find people with balls a little offensive, and like to beat them round a bit.... But if you have committed no crimes.... like bad crimes, that carry indictable penalties, then never "understand" them.... when they ask you "do you understand" (stand under) tell them absolutely not... I stand under nobody... and that is all.... they trick us with their words... its all about disempowering us.....

But anyway.... go and download your criminal code... read it.... the criminal code is all you need to worry about... maybe felonies or whatever it is over there... find out criminal responsibility... and get to know your law.... even carry a copy of it with you..... get smart... :wink:


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Re: Just got illegally searched:l [Re: ATTA] * 1
    #18830938 - 09/12/13 01:31 AM (10 years, 4 months ago)

They didn't do anything illegal. They have 100% right to search your persons.

If you are carrying a backpack, and get stopped. SET YOUR BACKPACK ON THE GROUND AWAY FROM YOU. If it is on you, that is considered part of your persons and they have the right to search that too without consent.


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Re: Just got illegally searched:l [Re: Lynnch]
    #18831027 - 09/12/13 02:15 AM (10 years, 4 months ago)

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Lynnch said:
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volcomstoner said:
The only thing you should ever vocalize to a cop is, "I'm remaining silent I'm guilty of something" and "I will not give you consent to search my car There are drugs in the car" Thats it. If they ask your name show them your ID, just don't say a goddamn word.



You say that shit they know something is up. That is not how an normal innocent citizen acts.

You want to know how to deal with cops? Treat them like any other person, that they just wanted to stop you to say hi, and you don't have the slightest clue why they would think you've done anything wrong. You would have gotten a lot further by saying "Heya officer, whats up? You want me to face the wall? Wha? Why? we're just skating.."



I do understand what your saying, telling the cop your remaining silent right away really pisses them off and will sometimes just makenthem try harder. But if. Bot guilty of something, well yhen i have nothinh to worry about so no use talking them potentially incriminating yiurself for something you didnt do. But alsonif i am guilty well id rather jusy not make it any worse by talking to cops incriminating yourself for not only what you are guilty of but also something you may not be guitly of. Im still not going to talk to them, i guess it depends on the situation but if the cop is obviously coming after me trying to bust me for anything them i definitelynwont day anything. I mean what if i go to court and couldbhave had the charges thrown out for whatever reason but you cant becauae you talkd and the cop was able to make you incriminate yourself. My attorneys have always been hapoy as hell that i never spoke a word to the police when i was arrested.

One thing that woked whe  i was a lot younger i would say i come from a family with many lawyers and that they always instructed me to always remain silent around police. That way instead of seeming suspicious i would just sound like i was a kid that listened to what his parents taught him. Of course this really onmy woked when i was under 18


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Re: Just got illegally searched:l [Re: MushyMatt]
    #18831068 - 09/12/13 02:42 AM (10 years, 4 months ago)

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MushyMatt said:
They didn't do anything illegal. They have 100% right to search your persons.

If you are carrying a backpack, and get stopped. SET YOUR BACKPACK ON THE GROUND AWAY FROM YOU. If it is on you, that is considered part of your persons and they have the right to search that too without consent.



I live in UK and police need a reason to search you.  They also have to tell you  under what law they are searching you


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Re: Just got illegally searched:l [Re: Lynnch]
    #18831143 - 09/12/13 04:17 AM (10 years, 4 months ago)

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Lynnch said:
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volcomstoner said:
The only thing you should ever vocalize to a cop is, "I'm remaining silent I'm guilty of something" and "I will not give you consent to search my car There are drugs in the car" Thats it. If they ask your name show them your ID, just don't say a goddamn word.



You say that shit they know something is up. That is not how an normal innocent citizen acts.

You want to know how to deal with cops? Treat them like any other person, that they just wanted to stop you to say hi, and you don't have the slightest clue why they would think you've done anything wrong. You would have gotten a lot further by saying "Heya officer, whats up? You want me to face the wall? Wha? Why? we're just skating.."



This is exactly correct you have to treat them just like any other person, be respectful, shoot the shit with them and just act like they are there to protect you, not detain you for something you did wrong. You act like they are just making sure everything's alright and you suddenly don't seem so suspicious.

I wont go into detail too much but using this technique, I had a conversation with a cop that was detaining me for underage drinking while I was on 700mcg+of Lucy(I had an extreme tolerance to cid at that point), he ended up letting my friends and I go because they were looking for meth heads that frequented that area and there had been a lot of car jackings and a few stabbings over drugs and prostitution.

While he searched our car we just talked about how it was a nice night and the view from where we were was nice, we even talked about school and stuff he was very cool about it, he probably though I was just smoking weed but I had nothing but pupils :lol:.Also I had medical cannabis, Xanax , alcohol and adderal but since I was prescribed everything, he was fine with it.
My cannabis recommendation had expired a few days before that too.
Right before they left he said, just get that cannabis card renued and stop drinking in dangerous areas


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Re: Just got illegally searched:l [Re: ATTA]
    #18831204 - 09/12/13 05:11 AM (10 years, 4 months ago)

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ATTA said:The problem is, we are all misinformed, instilled with fear, and end up obeying, complying, and co operating with them..... NEVER COM PLY... NEVER OBEY, and NEVER CO OPERATE.... they are nothing less than bubonic terrorists.... and they don't even know it themselves....




Come on, man. It sounds like you've been instilled with fear. Just treat them like they are people, which they are.


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Re: Just got illegally searched:l [Re: chooken]
    #18831226 - 09/12/13 05:32 AM (10 years, 4 months ago)

I've been searched so many times and said no, but they tell me why they can. Just treat them nice, they will do a lot less if you just treat them like friends. And if you're riding/walking dirty, make sure it's hidden so fucking well you can't even find it. I've also been searched and they just pass up the goods, so don't make them feel that you have something because they will look harder.


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Re: Just got illegally searched:l [Re: Distorted Vision]
    #18831232 - 09/12/13 05:35 AM (10 years, 4 months ago)

Or film them and question their search


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Re: Just got illegally searched:l [Re: Fire is Born]
    #18831730 - 09/12/13 09:21 AM (10 years, 4 months ago)

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Or film them and question their search



5 minutes after it happened i wish i recorded it, but honestly the entire thing happened so fast i could hardly think. they were only around for about a minute or two. I do treat police like people and i try to make there lifes easier in hopes they will do the same and just leave me to go about my business in peace again.

And to who ever asked, i am quite young still, only 18 so im basically just a child in the eyes of society i suppose:grin:

i am just debating now on if i should complain or not to LAPD, but it's not like they really give a shit. I just wish i got the stupid badge number and name of the two officers so i could be more direct about who i am mainly complaining too. I will probably do nothing though knowing myself.


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Re: Just got illegally searched:l [Re: HippieVibes] * 1
    #18831751 - 09/12/13 09:30 AM (10 years, 4 months ago)

fuck cops, I can't stand these niggas.  Go to Hell all cops!!!!!


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Re: Just got illegally searched:l [Re: ReefeRnShroomS]
    #18831782 - 09/12/13 09:41 AM (10 years, 4 months ago)

Without probable cause they have no right to search you.  however when you did as they asked and placed your hands on the wall you submitted to the searcb.  you just had to say no, and if they i.sisted refused, if they arrest you for nothing official yit will be dropped in court.  they have to follow the laws too.


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Re: Just got illegally searched:l [Re: MushyMatt] * 2
    #18831810 - 09/12/13 09:51 AM (10 years, 4 months ago)

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They didn't do anything illegal. They have 100% right to search your persons.

If you are carrying a backpack, and get stopped. SET YOUR BACKPACK ON THE GROUND AWAY FROM YOU. If it is on you, that is considered part of your persons and they have the right to search that too without consent.



Completely false--don't spread misinformation--you don't think pigs can search articles left unattended in public space?

A. Voluntary: A situation where a pig approaches you on the street (but not while driving a vehicle) and initiates conversation. Treat this like an encounter with any stranger on the street--you do not have to answer any questions--you are free to leave at any point--the pigs have no legal right to search you (even a terry pat).
you: Officer, I do not consent to a search. Am I being detained or am I free to leave?
pig: You are not being detained.
you: Goodbye then. *walk away*



B. Detaining: You are not under arrest but, due to a reasonable suspicion, you are not free to leave. The pigs are legally allowed to give a brief search for weapons (a terry pat) for safety reasons, but nothing further. You may also be told to id yourself, and though it's not clear if this is necessary or not (unless operating a motor vehicle) it's often easier to comply.
you: Officer, I do not consent to a search. Am I being detained or am I free to leave?
pig: You are being detained.
you: What is your reason for detaining me?
pig: (Bullshit excuse).



C. Arrest: You are now officially the pigs bitch, and they can go so far as shoving their hand up your butt (back at the station of course) in their search of your person. The best you can do here is find out why you are being arrested, and to announce that you will not speak further until your lawyer is present.
pig: You're under arrest.
you: What are you arresting me for?
pig: (Bullshit reason).
you: I have nothing further to say until my lawyer is present.




But, one caveat emptor--when dealing with the pigs, they will lie--both to you and their own superiors--keep in mind that, even if no legal right to search exists, pigs may still search you anyways--in a case like this, resist will very rarely be in your interest--rather, hope that you have witnesses recording the encounter.


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Re: Just got illegally searched:l [Re: omegafaust]
    #18831831 - 09/12/13 09:59 AM (10 years, 4 months ago)

What do pigs eat?

Doughnuts

Cops are not regular people.  They are power tripping fools.  I've been illegally searched too many times after telling them no to have the slightest bit of respect for cops.  I have dealt with a few decent ones, but the bad ones far outnumber the good ones.  Best advice is to try to never give them a reason to mess with you.  But if you live on the east coast and you're driving through the Midwest, they may just say you swerved to pull you over and harass you.


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Re: Just got illegally searched:l [Re: shivas.wisdom]
    #18831833 - 09/12/13 09:59 AM (10 years, 4 months ago)

Sounds like the op's rights were violated.

But a bully will do what a bully wants to do.


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Re: Just got illegally searched:l [Re: lowbrow] * 1
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Re: Just got illegally searched:l [Re: volcomstoner]
    #18831892 - 09/12/13 10:17 AM (10 years, 4 months ago)

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Telling them you were gonna buy weed from a dispensary would have been a horrible idea, coming up with a cover story  would have been a horrible idea, telling them your on your way to see your dying grandmother in the hospital would have been a horrible idea... See where I'm goin bro? You never, ever, ever give the cops any sort of story regardless of the situation. Whether it be true or not, and whenther your innocent or not. Never say a word to the cops, when they ask you any question at all, tell them you're remaining silent.

The only thing you should ever vocalize to a cop is, "I'm remaining silent" and "I will not give you consent to search my car" Thats it. If they ask your name show them your ID, just don't say a goddamn word.




idk man I mean thats definitely true in some situations but you dont always have to be like that I mean imagine pulling someone over for a broken taillight, routine stop, you walk up and the guys all like "im remaining silent!! you shall not search my vehicle!"


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Re: Just got illegally searched:l [Re: shivas.wisdom]
    #18831995 - 09/12/13 10:54 AM (10 years, 4 months ago)

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They didn't do anything illegal. They have 100% right to search your persons.

If you are carrying a backpack, and get stopped. SET YOUR BACKPACK ON THE GROUND AWAY FROM YOU. If it is on you, that is considered part of your persons and they have the right to search that too without consent.



Completely false--don't spread misinformation--you don't think pigs can search articles left unattended in public space?

A. Voluntary: A situation where a pig approaches you on the street (but not while driving a vehicle) and initiates conversation. Treat this like an encounter with any stranger on the street--you do not have to answer any questions--you are free to leave at any point--the pigs have no legal right to search you (even a terry pat).
you: Officer, I do not consent to a search. Am I being detained or am I free to leave?
pig: You are not being detained.
you: Goodbye then. *walk away*



B. Detaining: You are not under arrest but, due to a reasonable suspicion, you are not free to leave. The pigs are legally allowed to give a brief search for weapons (a terry pat) for safety reasons, but nothing further. You may also be told to id yourself, and though it's not clear if this is necessary or not (unless operating a motor vehicle) it's often easier to comply.
you: Officer, I do not consent to a search. Am I being detained or am I free to leave?
pig: You are being detained.
you: What is your reason for detaining me?
pig: (Bullshit excuse).



C. Arrest: You are now officially the pigs bitch, and they can go so far as shoving their hand up your butt (back at the station of course) in their search of your person. The best you can do here is find out why you are being arrested, and to announce that you will not speak further until your lawyer is present.
pig: You're under arrest.
you: What are you arresting me for?
pig: (Bullshit reason).
you: I have nothing further to say until my lawyer is present.




But, one caveat emptor--when dealing with the pigs, they will lie--both to you and their own superiors--keep in mind that, even if no legal right to search exists, pigs may still search you anyways--in a case like this, resist will very rarely be in your interest--rather, hope that you have witnesses recording the encounter.



Finally there we go :lol: I was a bit worried people in this thread actually thought the police had the right to a detailed search of your body for no fucking reason at all.


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Re: Just got illegally searched:l [Re: twighead]
    #18832193 - 09/12/13 12:01 PM (10 years, 4 months ago)

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Finally there we go :lol: I was a bit worried people in this thread actually thought the police had the right to a detailed search of your body for no fucking reason at all.



Except that if the police really want to search you, they can do so with no reason at all.  They'll just lie and manipulate after the fact.


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Re: Just got illegally searched:l [Re: twighead]
    #18832196 - 09/12/13 12:02 PM (10 years, 4 months ago)

Ops rights were not violated.  he complied with the search, erego , he agreed to it.  he has no viability for a complaint. 

learn your rights op, and don't consent next time.  then if they force you, you would have a leg to stand on.


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Re: Just got illegally searched:l [Re: memes]
    #18832281 - 09/12/13 12:35 PM (10 years, 4 months ago)

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Finally there we go :lol: I was a bit worried people in this thread actually thought the police had the right to a detailed search of your body for no fucking reason at all.



Except that if the police really want to search you, they can do so with no reason at all.  They'll just lie and manipulate after the fact.



This is true, but it's still beneficial to know your rights.


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Re: Just got illegally searched:l [Re: shivas.wisdom]
    #18832445 - 09/12/13 01:18 PM (10 years, 4 months ago)

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Finally there we go :lol: I was a bit worried people in this thread actually thought the police had the right to a detailed search of your body for no fucking reason at all.



Except that if the police really want to search you, they can do so with no reason at all.  They'll just lie and manipulate after the fact.



This is true, but it's still beneficial to know your rights.



Aye.

But a lot of police - at least in the Washington area, are required by law to record their interactions with the public. Any trampling on your rights will be caught on camera, which will lend your case -some- credence I'm sure.


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Re: Just got illegally searched:l [Re: twighead]
    #18832464 - 09/12/13 01:24 PM (10 years, 4 months ago)

Currently suing my city's police department for harassment and property damage.

Long story short, I refused to let them enter my home without a warrant and they got really fucking angry at me :lol:

Lawyer says it's a pretty open-and-shut case.


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Re: Just got illegally searched:l [Re: NWlight] * 2
    #18832466 - 09/12/13 01:24 PM (10 years, 4 months ago)

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Re: Just got illegally searched:l [Re: NWlight]
    #18832504 - 09/12/13 01:35 PM (10 years, 4 months ago)

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Currently suing my city's police department for harassment and property damage.

Long story short, I refused to let them enter my home without a warrant and they got really fucking angry at me :lol:

Lawyer says it's a pretty open-and-shut case.




Happy to hear this, what does your lawyer think?


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Re: Just got illegally searched:l [Re: shivas.wisdom]
    #18832513 - 09/12/13 01:38 PM (10 years, 4 months ago)

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Without probable cause they have no right to search you.  however when you did as they asked and placed your hands on the wall you submitted to the searcb.  you just had to say no, and if they i.sisted refused, if they arrest you for nothing official yit will be dropped in court.  they have to follow the laws too.








Pretty sure this is 100% WRONG. I do not think anyone in their right mind would consider complying with an officer's instruction to put your hands on the wall, as consenting to a search. It is merely complying with an officer's order. The officer may be (and likely is, at least according to "their" reasoning) telling you to take this position for "their own safety."


If you do not comply with such an order, I can almost guarantee you'd end up in handcuffs, probably arrested for "resisting."



Also, cops do have the right to pat you down in a stop. My understanding is that they can not stop you just to pat you down. But if they have reason to stop you, they can pat you down to search for weapons, again, "for their own safety" (are you detecting a theme here?)  Now, if in the course of their patting you down, they feel something "suspicious" that may give them "probable cause" for a further search.


IMHO just reaching in your pocket to take out your wallet may have been riding right on the line, if not slightly on the side of "illegal."



Anyway, while you should probably not consent to a search in a lot of situations, and you should also be vocal about it "Sir, I do not consent to a search," you should never physically resist a cop. If they order you, or are trying to physically manipulate your body, remain prone and/or compliant. That is not to say you should "let them walk all over you," however, the time to fight an illegal search is in court not on the side of the road. Arguing with a cop on the side of the road will only end in trouble for you, 9,999 times out of 10,000.





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They didn't do anything illegal. They have 100% right to search your persons.

If you are carrying a backpack, and get stopped. SET YOUR BACKPACK ON THE GROUND AWAY FROM YOU. If it is on you, that is considered part of your persons and they have the right to search that too without consent.



Completely false--don't spread misinformation--you don't think pigs can search articles left unattended in public space?







Oh, perhaps you weren't aware. If memory serves, MushyMatt here wants to be a pig when he grows up. So I guess that's why he's often seen defending the horrid actions of the police. :shrug:


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Re: Just got illegally searched:l [Re: CidneyIndole]
    #18832532 - 09/12/13 01:43 PM (10 years, 4 months ago)

Didnt read but im already 99% certain OP is at fault.


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Re: Just got illegally searched:l [Re: ModestMouse]
    #18832581 - 09/12/13 01:56 PM (10 years, 4 months ago)

they were not in a car.  they just walked past a dispensary, no probable cause.  asking them to put their hands on the wall implies a search.  like being asked to step out of the car.  if an officer asked a woman to hand over her purse she could refuse, and in no way be accused of failing to comply as she has violated no law and cannot be accused without probably cause.  he could have refused to place his hands on the wall and questioned the reason.  which would have told him if a search was going to happen, at which point he can refuse.

he has broken no law and does not have to compy to an invasion of his rights. 

having complied with the officers orders he agreed to be searched.  like handing over a purse.


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Re: Just got illegally searched:l [Re: volcomstoner]
    #18832674 - 09/12/13 02:19 PM (10 years, 4 months ago)

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To my understanding they are perfectly legal to search your person without your consent.




Wrong.

The fourth amendment: Unreasonable search and seizure.

POLICE ARE TRAINED TO TRICK YOU.They are trained to ask compound questions to get you to consent to a search, they LEGALLY CAN LIE TO YOU. Tell you "the dogs are coming." WRONG.

if they tell you to get up against the wall and spread em, and you do, THIS IS YOUR CONSENT.



Your BEST FRIEND IS: "I do not consent to any searches." Repeat it. Unlawful search and seizure can result in the suppression of charges. (charges being dropped.)


Addition: If this makes sense, you NOT letting the officer know that you DO NOT consent to searches IS your consent. Most officers ask you directly if they can search you, but some do not.


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Re: Just got illegally searched:l [Re: Labs4858]
    #18832764 - 09/12/13 02:41 PM (10 years, 4 months ago)

Exactly ^ 
Op consented and that's that.


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Re: Just got illegally searched:l [Re: HippieVibes]
    #18833324 - 09/12/13 05:02 PM (10 years, 4 months ago)

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So i live in LA neer venice beach, a friend and i are just skating to a local weed shop and we notice police kinda give us a strange look as they are passing by.

Shortly after they stop us and start asking us to set out skateboards down and make us both face a wall with our legs spread and hands behind out back (they weren't to aggressive about it but we complied to get away sooner)

then they started patting us down, my friends messing with them slightly by responding with drown out replies, then i suddenly notice the cop sicks his hand in my pocket to my shorts, removes my wallet and phone, (I NEVER CONSENTED, he just knew he wouldnt get in trouble if he did it to me) opens my wallet to look at my ID, gives it back to me after that and leave shortly after with out really telling us why they did all that (but we didnt ask why)

It was honestly pretty lame and i honestly thought police were better then that, you could atleast ask me to remove the stuff from my pockets and treat me with some sort of respect:[
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So after all this happened to me i was curious about some of shroomeries experiences with similar situations and would love for people to share! (first post btw, ive been lurking forever thought)




Why'd you comply? I fucking love it when cops try to give me a random shake down. Nothing sweeter then walking circles around their psychological training.


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Re: Just got illegally searched:l [Re: omegafaust]
    #18836792 - 09/13/13 12:24 PM (10 years, 4 months ago)

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they were not in a car.  they just walked past a dispensary, no probable cause.  asking them to put their hands on the wall implies a search.  like being asked to step out of the car.  if an officer asked a woman to hand over her purse she could refuse, and in no way be accused of failing to comply as she has violated no law and cannot be accused without probably cause.  he could have refused to place his hands on the wall and questioned the reason.  which would have told him if a search was going to happen, at which point he can refuse.

he has broken no law and does not have to compy to an invasion of his rights. 

having complied with the officers orders he agreed to be searched.  like handing over a purse.







You couldn't be more wrong. Yes, to a certain degree the "hands against the wall" thing could technically imply a search, only because this is typically a common police tactic. But the hands against the wall thing is not solely for the purposes of a search. They also search people with their hands on a car, or with their hands just simply interlaced behind their heads, or in handcuffs. These are all positions that officers request for the reasons of their own safety, not for a search.


Go ahead and refuse an order that a cop gives you, which in his mind is for his own safety, and see how he responds.  I am by no means telling people they should consent to a search. I would follow the cop's instruction, while saying "Sir, I do not consent to a search."  That way all your bases are covered. You explicitly deny permission to search, while respecting the officer's safety and commands, and don't have to worry about a resisting charge, or even worse, a beating if you get a real asshole power-tripper.



But yeah, if you're so convinced that you're right, put yourself in one of these situations. When the cops show up, pull out your phone and start recording. When he tells you to put your hands on the wall, or behind your head or whatever, say "no, I don't have to do that."  See ho it turns out. Then, when you later get out of  jail, please post the video so I can have a laugh.


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Re: Just got illegally searched:l [Re: CidneyIndole]
    #18836909 - 09/13/13 12:58 PM (10 years, 4 months ago)

You have the right to ask for reasoning. Don't let yourself bro.

Next time something like this happens again, before they set you up to the wall, ASK them why they are searching you.

Cops, by law, have to inform you of their authoritative actions whilst doing so. They can get away without asking to people ignorant of the law.

They can't just search you. You must be doing something suspicious.

Remember, although in reality, it's not always true, cops work to SERVE you, not manipulate you.


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Re: Just got illegally searched:l [Re: TwinEclipse]
    #18837378 - 09/13/13 03:22 PM (10 years, 4 months ago)

If you ever get pulled over with weed in the car, light up a ciggarette right away. Thats what I did and the police just went on there way because they dont wanna smell that shit.


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Re: Just got illegally searched:l [Re: loco801]
    #18837451 - 09/13/13 03:39 PM (10 years, 4 months ago)

They can remove your wallet, but I don't think they can open it.


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Re: Just got illegally searched:l [Re: loco801]
    #18837499 - 09/13/13 03:52 PM (10 years, 4 months ago)

They stop you and say you fit the description of someone they are looking for. My friend Leroy calls it walking while black. But it happens to lot's of different people. While talking to you they search you for "everyone's safety" although they have guns and seem pretty safe to me. They bust all sorts of people on these random fishing expeditions.
I really did fit the description of some guy once, they brought the assault victim over and he negatively ID'ed me and I was on my way, no search and a "sorry for bothering you sir". That's the way it is supposed to be. Same with traffic violations, that should not involve a search of your car.
I have been illegally searched because they claimed to smell weed in the car even though none was smoked. We looked like pot heads and he figured we had some. Even if you beat an illegal search in court you are going to go broke fighting it and lose whatever drugs they seized anyway.


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Re: Just got illegally searched:l [Re: my3rdeye]
    #18837638 - 09/13/13 04:29 PM (10 years, 4 months ago)

If I was walking down the street and a cop stopped and asked me to empty my pockets i don't have to.  i could have a gun in plain site with a loaded magazine and. still not have to comply. 

cops are there to enforce the law.  tell me, what law were these guys breaking that warranted a search? 

They could have demanded to know the reaison.  And then denied the search.it is illegal to comply with a lawful order.  which kind of muddles it up because they can pretty much make any order seem lawful.  however you have personal rights, you should know and use these.


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Re: Just got illegally searched:l [Re: loco801]
    #18837649 - 09/13/13 04:32 PM (10 years, 4 months ago)

haha yeah I went through a dwi checkpoing once smoking a cig and they waived me by pretty quick.


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    #18837707 - 09/13/13 04:48 PM (10 years, 4 months ago)

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Re: Just got illegally searched:l [Re: Me_Roy]
    #18837787 - 09/13/13 05:11 PM (10 years, 4 months ago)

Two situations that happened to me personally, goes like this...

-I was smoking a blunt in my car, driving around my neighborhood like I always used to do when I still lived at my mom's house. Cop pulls me over for making a turn w/out turning on my signal. Smells the weed obviously and asks to search. I tell him I refuse to give consent and he searches anyway, finds the weed, pretty much a full blunt. Got taken to jail that night.

-I was smoking a few joint's in my car, driving back from my hometown to where I currently reside now. Pulled over for speeding. Cop smells the weed and asks where it's at. I don't answer. He asks me to step out the car and continues to ask me about the weed. After assessing the situation a little more, I tell him where it's at and he takes it and makes me stomp it in the grass. Didn't go to jail that night. I also had 100 xanax bars on me in this situation.

It comes down to a cops discretion. Every cop is different and like some people said, they are just people. Main thing I've learned dealing with police is that they don't like being lied to. Just be real with a cop and it will do more good than bad.

Also, in that first situation, after chopping it up with the cop and the undercover he was riding around with I was only charged with public intoxication which was also dismissed. I guess it helped that the cop was also from the Caribbean Islands and used to smoke mad weed himself:lol:Sometimes you just get lucky, other times you just gotta feel it out. But NEVER LIE TO A COP!!

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Re: Just got illegally searched:l [Re: itsthedank]
    #18837891 - 09/13/13 05:40 PM (10 years, 4 months ago)

Also, this kind of thing was made unconstitutional some time ago. The stop-and-frisk searches that were the hottest craze in NYC for some time. It was made unconstitutional because, I believe, it allowed for a lot of racial profiling. However, I don't know how or if this has been enforced rigidly.

The only thing it takes for a pat-down/stop-n-frisk search is "reasonable suspicion" which is not, as far as I know, technically defined in legal terms. So it's basically just up to the cop and their discretion.

OP, I would just leave it alone and not even bother with a complaint. Sucks, but shit happens and you didn't even go to jail:shrug:


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Re: Just got illegally searched:l [Re: itsthedank]
    #18837937 - 09/13/13 05:52 PM (10 years, 4 months ago)

The last time I got shaken down illegally was in July. I was walking through my old neighborhood when a kid comes up to me and asks me for a light, I pull it out and the squad car that was parked up in the ally flashed his lights. He stepped out, along with his partner, he also had his buddies sitting in the parking lot across. They pulled up to. They gave me some bullshit about us dealing drugs, asking us to empty our pockets. I refused, told them straight up what they're doing is illegal. They played stupid and started trying to turn it into a curfew check, I told them that was bullshit too. Eventually they just wanted to see my ID, I told them to fuck off and stood their in silence for 5 minutes before they gave in and told me to check my attitude. The entire time they were doing that high pressure thing where they try and stress you as much as possible to get you to give consent, it was hilarious. Whenever I laid out exactly what they could and couldnt do they asked me what I was talking about, while quietly stopping whatever they were attempting, such as reaching into my pockets.


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Re: Just got illegally searched:l [Re: Bodhi of Ankou]
    #18838154 - 09/13/13 06:45 PM (10 years, 4 months ago)

Its happend to me before, and will probably happen again.
You can tell them you don't consent to any searches, however, they're allowed to frisk you for 'their own safety'

However, the cop that was searching me clearly didn't give a flying fuck what I consented to, and searched me anyhow. I didn't have a problem with it seeing how I couldn't do anything about it anyway. I'm just glad I wasn't carrying anything illegal at the time. 

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Re: Just got illegally searched:l [Re: NewWavePeace]
    #18839762 - 09/14/13 01:31 AM (10 years, 4 months ago)

St. Patricks Day party in an apartment. Worst idea ever.

Got there late and underage kids were already drunk (i was 19 at the time and just high but no alcohol). We took the last few shots of alcohol i took 2. Then I drank a couple beers and continued smoking. It was a guys birthday so he got a lap dance from some hot ass mixed chick and every guy was in awe cause she fuckin' rocked that shit. Stepped outside to smoke again when the night turned bad. Some idiot fell over and whacked his head on the wall cause he was shitfaced. He knocked the beer pong table over and fell off his chair. Another guy then jumped from one couch to the other and broke the chair on the landing. Funny shit I must admit. Although I knew this was a bad idea from the get-go. Sure enough, manager of the apartments called and cops appeared in a matter of minutes. They began flashing lights and playing annoying sirens for about 20 minutes while we all hid in the darkness of someones room. Fast-forward 30 minutes the cops appear to be gone and the owner of the apartment starts kicking people out to go home. We are the third or fourth group out of the door and of course we are the ones who get pulled over only one block down the road. Driver ends up blowing a .08% which is considered over the limit according to local police. They harassed us about anything and everything; where we came from, where were going. They said our story didn't match up with the driver which was bullshit and the women in the car didn't get it. I knew i was arrested at this point for sure. Then the police pulled each person out one by one, 3 women with us, they searched me and found weed and a pipe, breathalyzed me over 10 times because his machine was fucked up. Then they stuck me in the back of the cop car with the driver. MIND YOU: Never read my rights at all throughout the whole "investigation". Ended up with $4K bail and 4 charges. Public intoxication, Minor in poss. of alcohol, poss. of "paraphernalia", and poss. of marijuana. After $200 to an attorney (who I will always go back to) I served 2.5 days day in jail and had one charge of the alcohol that would be wiped from my record at 21.

]TL:DR In the end i served 2.5 days in jail for attending a retarded, but cool, party for 3 hours in a fucked up city with corrupted police. Record wiped. A good attorney really does help.


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Re: Just got illegally searched:l [Re: TwinEclipse]
    #18840942 - 09/14/13 12:16 PM (10 years, 4 months ago)

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Cops, by law, have to inform you of their authoritative actions whilst doing so. They can get away without asking to people ignorant of the law.
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I don't know why you (quite wrongly) assume this, but it's very much not true. I'd like you to show me the law that says this.


If there is such a law, I guarantee you that many cops ignore it, most of the time. I have experienced this personally. And I've seen it hundreds of times more than that. It's like you people have never watched the show "Cops" or something. Watch a season or two of that. You'll see people asking why they're being detained or arrested but denied answers as the cop proceeds to man-handle them or shove them into the back of a car, countless times.


There are a lot of myths surrounding cops. The persistence of these myths does not make them any more true. For example, most people think they have "the right to a phone call" if they are arrested. This is 99% not true. You can request a lawyer if you are arrested. Your lawyer can make phone calls for you. Calling anyone else is considered a privilege. Now, to be fair, if you're polite, the cops usually do allow this. I've been allowed to make calls for bail, after asking politely. But it's not a "right" much as it should be.


Again, if it is actually a law that they have to tell you why you're being detained, or whatever else, they often don't do it. And they "get away with it," whether it's right (legally speaking) or not.


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Re: Just got illegally searched:l [Re: CidneyIndole]
    #18843588 - 09/15/13 07:38 AM (10 years, 4 months ago)

How can someone be charged with public intoxication when they are in the back of a private vehicle?


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Re: Just got illegally searched:l [Re: volcomstoner]
    #18843616 - 09/15/13 07:56 AM (10 years, 4 months ago)

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To my understanding they are perfectly legal to search your person without your consent




Yes, you are wrong. First off, they have to have probable cause to be detaining you.

Second, they are suppose to be doing BASIC check for WEAPONS if they have a reason to detain you.

Not just "Oh some kids...get the fuck over here so I can search you"

No, that is illegal.


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