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As Far As Obama Speech About Syria......
#18830595 - 09/11/13 11:18 PM (10 years, 4 months ago) |
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Did anyone REALLY listen to it? It was 15 minutes of 'oh, the poor children' and talk about the horror of children dying of poison gas--a ham-handed attempt to influence people by emotion, with his evidence stated as 'tweets and pictures on social media'
LOL. He has nothing. Is anyone left that still supports this ignorant fools viewpoints? He is dangerously amateruish at international politics--dangerous to the point that if it weren't for Putin realizing the grave danger the world was being put in by this buffoon's idiotic attempt at strong-arm diplomacy, we could possibly be embroiled in a world war.
Putin owned Obama's ass again--
So I just wonder who is still on their knees blowing this fucking fraud? The mainstream media still is.
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Re: As Far As Obama Speech About Syria...... [Re: starfire_xes]
#18832252 - 09/12/13 12:23 PM (10 years, 4 months ago) |
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starfire_xes said: Did anyone REALLY listen to it?.
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Re: As Far As Obama Speech About Syria...... [Re: DeadHearts]
#18832481 - 09/12/13 01:29 PM (10 years, 4 months ago) |
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Some people did and found him to be a feckless neutered fool.
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Re: As Far As Obama Speech About Syria...... [Re: zappaisgod]
#18832547 - 09/12/13 01:47 PM (10 years, 4 months ago) |
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zappaisgod said: Some people did and found him to be a feckless neutered fool.
What the fuck else is new and what did anyone expect from him in another term? Romney would have been no different. Fuck a Dem fuck a Repub they are terrible for everyone and everything.
@Starfire I respect you hatred for the turd in office by why waste so much effort time and time again on this guy?
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Re: As Far As Obama Speech About Syria...... [Re: DeadHearts]
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zappaisgod said: Some people did and found him to be a feckless neutered fool.
What the fuck else is new and what did anyone expect from him in another term? Romney would have been no different. Fuck a Dem fuck a Repub they are terrible for everyone and everything.
@Starfire I respect you hatred for the turd in office by why waste so much effort time and time again on this guy?
There is not one shred of evidence that Romney is as stupid as the Affirmative Action cunt
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Mittens never had audience he didn't pander to. He'd say one thing to a group and something different to the next, and all the while his handlers would try to spin what he had said into the Pub platform.
He stood for everything and meant none of it and that's why he lost to a Black Man with poor record and a bad economy.
HE SUCKED!!!!
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Re: As Far As Obama Speech About Syria...... [Re: sweeper54]
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sweeper54 said: Obama never had audience he didn't pander to. He'd say one thing to a group and something different to the next, and all the while his handlers would try to spin what he had said into the dem platform.
He stood for everything and meant none of it.
HE SUCKS!!!!
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Re: As Far As Obama Speech About Syria...... [Re: sweeper54]
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sweeper54 said: Mittens never had audience he didn't pander to. He'd say one thing to a group and something different to the next, and all the while his handlers would try to spin what he had said into the Pub platform.
He stood for everything and meant none of it and that's why he lost to a Black Man with poor record and a bad economy.
HE SUCKED!!!!
What a crock of shit. Obama is everything you accuse Romney of being but in spades. Did Romney suck as a candidate? Yes. Would he have sucked anywhere near as much as Obama as an executive? That is hard to believe since Obama is the worst ever.
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Re: As Far As Obama Speech About Syria...... [Re: zappaisgod]
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mittens is a out of touch rich fuck who was born with a silver spoon up his ass. He'd have been just like lil'bush when he took office, AT THE MERCY OF THE NEO-CONS. They would have our military spread out all over the world.
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Re: As Far As Obama Speech About Syria...... [Re: zappaisgod]
#18834951 - 09/12/13 11:11 PM (10 years, 4 months ago) |
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What a crock of shit. Obama is everything you accuse Romney of being but in spades. Did Romney suck as a candidate? Yes. Would he have sucked anywhere near as much as Obama as an executive? That is hard to believe since Obama is the worst ever.
GWB was much better.
- spent three out of eight years on vacation
- multi-trillion dollar wars (lying our way into one) that were never paid for
- set precedents on killing Americans with drone strikes
- withdrawal from the Kyoto Protocol
- oversaw of one of the largest financial disasters in the history of the nation
- setting a bar on cronyism and kickbacks to friends that may never be seen again in history
- Michael 'Heck of a job' Brown
- codified torture as a means to get information
- created Guantanamo
- “really just [didn't] spend that much time on“ Bin Laden
- ridiculous tax cuts for the wealthy (that ended in that whole financial meltdown)
- stacked the courts with right-wing nuts
- the biggest expansion of the police state in the history of the country
- left a 1.3 trillion dollar deficit for his predecessor
Man, this list just solidifies how right you are. Obama, worst president EVER.
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Re: As Far As Obama Speech About Syria...... [Re: Mush4Brains]
#18835110 - 09/13/13 12:03 AM (10 years, 4 months ago) |
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What a crock of shit. Obama is everything you accuse Romney of being but in spades. Did Romney suck as a candidate? Yes. Would he have sucked anywhere near as much as Obama as an executive? That is hard to believe since Obama is the worst ever.
GWB was much better.
- spent three out of eight years on vacation
- multi-trillion dollar wars (lying our way into one) that were never paid for
- set precedents on killing Americans with drone strikes
- withdrawal from the Kyoto Protocol
- oversaw of one of the largest financial disasters in the history of the nation
- setting a bar on cronyism and kickbacks to friends that may never be seen again in history
- Michael 'Heck of a job' Brown
- codified torture as a means to get information
- created Guantanamo
- “really just [didn't] spend that much time on“ Bin Laden
- ridiculous tax cuts for the wealthy (that ended in that whole financial meltdown)
- stacked the courts with right-wing nuts
- the biggest expansion of the police state in the history of the country
- left a 1.3 trillion dollar deficit for his predecessor
Man, this list just solidifies how right you are. Obama, worst president EVER.

And Obama followed in Bushes footsteps....I just know..unemployment is worse now...inflation is worse now....gas prices are higher now...food prices are higher now......the police state is expanding.....the middle east is destabilized......worse than before (yes, thanks to the invasion of iraq too) Obama is a do nothing mouth who is clueless.
Obama:
setting a bar on cronyism and kickbacks to friends that may never be seen again in history--Solyndra, Fisker, et al Eric 'Gunnrunner' Holder codified torture as a means to get information--sent people to foreign countries to be tortured Kept Guantanamo open Got Bin Laden when he fell into his hands because of Bushes policies ridiculous tax increases for everyone stacked the courts with left-wing nuts (Elena Kagan, sotomayer) continued the biggest expansion of the police state in the history of the country built up a 5 trillion dollar deficit in the time it took Bush to do 1.3 trillion [/LIST]
The thing is, both parties suck wet donkey balls, and both are clueless when it comes to fixing this countries problems.
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Re: As Far As Obama Speech About Syria...... [Re: starfire_xes]
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- Exactly how is the middle east more destabilized? And what exactly was Obama's role in this?
- The multitrillion dollar wars will have more kickbacks to Bush and Co. than Obama could ever dream of.
- ATF gunwalking started in 2006, champ.
- Codified torture? I think you're mistaken, champ.
- Kept Guantanamo open? Yeah, look at congress for that one, champ.
- Bush's Bin Laden policy was to let him escape Tora Bora, and to “really just don't spend that much time on“ him.
- Ridiculous tax increases
OK, champ.
- The supreme court is apparently the only court you know
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- "built up a 5 trillion dollar deficit in the time it took Bush to do 1.3 trillion"
- This is why nobody will ever take you seriously. I know 14-year-olds that don't even get debt and deficit confused.
You're a clown starfire, and you really have no idea what the fuck you're talking about.
Edit: I forgot to hit your other points that you started before your shitty list.
- Unemployment is lower now than when W left office (and remember, the day Obama was inaugurated we were losing 750k jobs a month - or do you block that tiny fact out?).
- Inflation is when Obama took office was artificially low due to the crash, so it is ridiculous to compare, but you can see in late 2008 where inflation was compared to where it is now.
- Gas prices are lower now than their highest point when W was in office



I mean, come the fuck on, these are basic numbers you could look up by your goddamn self instead of being a fucking parrot.
Out of all of those, I'll give you the food prices are higher, you're actually right about one thing.
You also forgot to mention with all your "highest" this and "highest" that, that the stock market is at one of it's highest points of all time.
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Re: As Far As Obama Speech About Syria...... [Re: Mush4Brains]
#18835577 - 09/13/13 03:36 AM (10 years, 4 months ago) |
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OK lets agree that GWB was a fucking retard whose administration bordered on criminal negligence, Obama is a overreaching two-faced back stabber whose mealy mouth says one thing while he goes and does something completely opposite.
Yea, we've had a succession of terrible presidents, I don't see a huge difference in the incompentence of Obama or Bush, politicians are fucking weasels, and the most weasely of them all eventually becomes president
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Re: As Far As Obama Speech About Syria...... [Re: The_Red_Crayon]
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You also forgot to mention with all your "highest" this and "highest" that, that the stock market is at one of it's highest points of all time.
Yes, because the Fed is digitizing money and buying stocks.
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ATF gunwalking started in 2006, champ.
This was a different program and those guns had tracking devices on them.
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I know 14-year-olds that don't even get debt and deficit confused.
You know, forget this. I know 12 year old little kids that show more respect to people they disagree with. Your posts are ad hominem after ad hominem and I suggest you keep your anger in check if YOU wish to be taken seriously. You too sweeper. Does anyone mod these forums anymore?
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Re: As Far As Obama Speech About Syria...... [Re: setb]
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Yes, because the Fed is digitizing money and buying stocks.
Yeah, wasn't this supposed to lead to runaway inflation?
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This was a different program and those guns had tracking devices on them.
As the later DOJ OIG Report documented, Wide Receiver coordination of ATF Tucson with the ATF Mexico City Office (MCO) and with Mexican law enforcement had been haphazard. Discussions of getting tracking devices from Raytheon were not followed up. ATF field agents and the cooperating gun dealer had been told by ATF supervisors that the guns were being interdicted before they could reach Mexico, but only 64 of the 474 guns had actually been seized. ... several attorneys at the Phoenix USAO who reviewed the Wide Receiver cases for prosecution found the cases had been so poorly managed that they were reluctant to bring any of them to trial.
Sounds like some real great tracking devices were used, champ.
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You know, forget this. I know 12 year old little kids that show more respect to people they disagree with. Your posts are ad hominem after ad hominem and I suggest you keep your anger in check if YOU wish to be taken seriously. You too sweeper. Does anyone mod these forums anymore?
I really don't give a fuck what people think about me. There is no respect given by many of the posters on this board, why would I feel the need to set a higher standard?
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Re: As Far As Obama Speech About Syria...... [Re: Mush4Brains]
#18835746 - 09/13/13 05:48 AM (10 years, 4 months ago) |
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What multi-trillion dollar wars? The entire cost of Iraq and Afghanistan was slightly over a trillion dollars which is the figure the government gave away on means tested largesse in one year alone (2011). 3 out of 8 years on vacation? What the fuck stupid babble is this?
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Re: As Far As Obama Speech About Syria...... [Re: zappaisgod]
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Calls to several Presidential libraries reveal that President Obama’s predecessor, George W. Bush, was on vacation more — 1,020 days — than any U.S. President since Herbert Hoover and possibly more than any other President in history.
Some claim the cost of Bush’s frequent trips to Crawford, Texas cost taxpayers upwards of $20 million, but the numbers are hard to confirm.
A recession started in 2001 as Bush took office after 22 million jobs were created during the Clinton Administration from 1993 to 2000. Bush began wars in Iraq and Afghanistan and presided over the loss of 4 million jobs.
In 2005, the Washington Post noted President Bush’s frequent vacations in a piece titled Vacationing Bush Poised to Set a Record as Bush took the longest single vacation — 5 weeks — of any President in 36 years.
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2005/08/02/AR2005080201703.html
President Bush spent 32% of his presidency on vacation.
Bush spent 487 days at Camp David during his presidency and 490 days at his Crawford, Texas ranch, a total of 977 days.
When you add the days President Bush spent at Kennebunkport, Maine, he spent a total of 1,020 days away from the White House — close to 3 years. At 1,020 days, Bush was close to being on vacation more days than President John F. Kennedy’s total days in office (1,036).
http://politic365.com/2012/05/08/obamas-vacations-of-any-president-bush-racked-up-the-most/
Zap by my calculation that makes it 42.5 "NONEs"
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Re: As Far As Obama Speech About Syria...... [Re: zappaisgod]
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zappaisgod said:
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zappaisgod said: Some people did and found him to be a feckless neutered fool.
What the fuck else is new and what did anyone expect from him in another term? Romney would have been no different. Fuck a Dem fuck a Repub they are terrible for everyone and everything.
@Starfire I respect you hatred for the turd in office by why waste so much effort time and time again on this guy?
There is not one shred of evidence that Romney is as stupid as the Affirmative Action cunt
If a presidential candidate is a proven liar and asshat then he should be no where near a white house of any kind. We have enough liars and sociopaths in office as is. Lets try and move away from that eh?
Seriously.
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Re: As Far As Obama Speech About Syria...... [Re: sweeper54]
#18836859 - 09/13/13 12:44 PM (10 years, 4 months ago) |
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sweeper54 said: Calls to several Presidential libraries reveal that President Obama’s predecessor, George W. Bush, was on vacation more — 1,020 days — than any U.S. President since Herbert Hoover and possibly more than any other President in history.
Some claim the cost of Bush’s frequent trips to Crawford, Texas cost taxpayers upwards of $20 million, but the numbers are hard to confirm.
A recession started in 2001 as Bush took office after 22 million jobs were created during the Clinton Administration from 1993 to 2000. Bush began wars in Iraq and Afghanistan and presided over the loss of 4 million jobs.
In 2005, the Washington Post noted President Bush’s frequent vacations in a piece titled Vacationing Bush Poised to Set a Record as Bush took the longest single vacation — 5 weeks — of any President in 36 years.
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2005/08/02/AR2005080201703.html
President Bush spent 32% of his presidency on vacation.
Bush spent 487 days at Camp David during his presidency and 490 days at his Crawford, Texas ranch, a total of 977 days.
When you add the days President Bush spent at Kennebunkport, Maine, he spent a total of 1,020 days away from the White House — close to 3 years. At 1,020 days, Bush was close to being on vacation more days than President John F. Kennedy’s total days in office (1,036).
http://politic365.com/2012/05/08/obamas-vacations-of-any-president-bush-racked-up-the-most/
Zap by my calculation that makes it 42.5 "NONEs"
One Obama vacation to Africa cost more than all of Bush's combined. Not being at the White House does not mean you are on vacation. Your source is crap
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Re: As Far As Obama Speech About Syria...... [Re: zappaisgod]
#18837210 - 09/13/13 02:33 PM (10 years, 4 months ago) |
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Crap or not, that's the way history judges him.
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Re: As Far As Obama Speech About Syria...... [Re: sweeper54]
#18837239 - 09/13/13 02:44 PM (10 years, 4 months ago) |
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No it isn't
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Re: As Far As Obama Speech About Syria...... [Re: zappaisgod]
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Then stick your head back in the sand and cry like a fuck'n baby.
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Re: As Far As Obama Speech About Syria...... [Re: Mush4Brains]
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Sounds like some real great tracking devices were used, champ.
Which was why the program was cancelled, well that and the massive corruption of the Mexican police and the lack of clear communication of the ATF.
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The first known ATF "gunwalking" operation to Mexican drug cartels, named Operation Wide Receiver, began in early 2006 and ran into late 2007.
From your own source.
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- Exactly how is the middle east more destabilized? And what exactly was Obama's role in this?
- The multitrillion dollar wars will have more kickbacks to Bush and Co. than Obama could ever dream of.
- ATF gunwalking started in 2006, champ.
- Codified torture? I think you're mistaken, champ.
- Kept Guantanamo open? Yeah, look at congress for that one, champ.
- Bush's Bin Laden policy was to let him escape Tora Bora, and to “really just don't spend that much time on“ him.
- Ridiculous tax increases
OK, champ.
- The supreme court is apparently the only court you know
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- "built up a 5 trillion dollar deficit in the time it took Bush to do 1.3 trillion"
- This is why nobody will ever take you seriously. I know 14-year-olds that don't even get debt and deficit confused.
You're a clown starfire, and you really have no idea what the fuck you're talking about.
Edit: I forgot to hit your other points that you started before your shitty list.
- Unemployment is lower now than when W left office (and remember, the day Obama was inaugurated we were losing 750k jobs a month - or do you block that tiny fact out?).
- Inflation is when Obama took office was artificially low due to the crash, so it is ridiculous to compare, but you can see in late 2008 where inflation was compared to where it is now.
- Gas prices are lower now than their highest point when W was in office



I mean, come the fuck on, these are basic numbers you could look up by your goddamn self instead of being a fucking parrot.
Out of all of those, I'll give you the food prices are higher, you're actually right about one thing.
You also forgot to mention with all your "highest" this and "highest" that, that the stock market is at one of it's highest points of all time.
The stock market is higher because the FED is printing money. this inflates the money supply and causes investors to put their money into equities.
The 'unemployment number' now is the same as in december 2008. However, the number of people in the workforce has dropped significantly.
The average price of gasoline over Obamas 5 years is much higher than it was under Bush.
Obama allows prisoners to be sent to foreign countries for 'renditioning' i.e. torturing.
Each year of Obama's presidency there have been fewer people working than during the bush years.
A big part of the economic collapse was due to the housing bubble--created by Clinton's 'everyone gets a house' cheap money programs, and carried through by democrats. You can go to youtube and see the Democrats--and The Fed--talking about how sound the housing market was, and that there was no danger of a bubble, blah blah blah, right up to the time it collapsed--Ron Paul was one of the people who warned Congress, back in about 2003, of the danger.
My point is the fucking fraud shuck-and-jive assclown Obama is no better or really any different than Bush. you can't blame Bush for the sorry state of the economy now.
Look at the black unemployment numbers and compare them.
Just because you sucked up to Obama and he 'got you going' emotionally don't think his ass is lily white. For Christ's sake, he isn't even a black american that lived 'the struggle' as my black friends call it. he grew up--in foreign countries, and hawaii, and was apparanetly an equal-opportunity college student--he got shit handed to him. He sure as fuck wasn't a poor black kid from the hood.
He is an illusion--he isn't the genius, all knowing, Savior that people think he is. He is a highly polished image created by his handlers, with any negative information carefully hidden in his background, aided by a corrupt media who is on their knees to him.
what he does have is a spectacular gift for oration--like adolph hitler, the cadence of his speech, and the words he uses in the carefully crafted speeches that are written for him are able to move people emotionally, and he comes across as a likable person.
To sum it up, he is a created image, with all negative information, indeed most of the information in his past hidden, who has never worked a 'real' job, who doesn't know fucking shit about economics, who doesn't know fucking shit about international relations, who is great with a scripted speech. that's it.
By the way, he has had about a 1 trillion deficit each year he has been in office which has added about 5 trillion dollars to the national debt. So go hump someone else's leg moron.
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Dildo Baggins said: Dude, Obama's foreign policy record has been excellent. I mean look at the international mess he was handed by Bush (not to mention the domestic recession which was set to be the biggest since the Great Depression).
Obama came in, winded down the Iraq War, and brought that whole fuckup to a reasonably good ending. Then he killed Osama Fucking Bin Laden. You remember that guy? The guy Bush was quoted as "not being that concerned with."
He's decimated Al Qaeda with drone strikes, taking out a good solid number of their top commanders over and over and over again.
Libya? He let that whole thing play out beautifully. We didn't lose a single life and spent very little money getting a longstanding dictator the fuck off his throne. Compare that to the blood and treasure lost in Bush's Iraq Experiment.
Now with Syria which is extremely complicated and a very difficult situation, he's somewhat strong armed the Syrians into considering just giving up their chemical weapons. The only reason why the Syrians are even considering doing that is because Obama has trumped up an American threat of cruise missile strikes. The Syrians know Obama means business and they quite possibly might blink first while they simultaneously shit their pants.
We don't know how Syria will end up. But to say Obama is a fuckup on foreign policy is laughable, particularly when you look at the last president's record.
LOL. The whole world thinks he is an ineffectual jerkoff. And they're right. He gets no credit for Iraq and in fact his precipitous withdrawal may have had a deleterious effect. He was also handed a fait accompli in Afghanistan which he has managed to fuck up pretty well. He had nothing to do with getting bin Laden. He supported the Muslim Brotherhood who are a huge bunch of scumbags that even the Egyptians can't stand. Libya he got people killed because he was too stupid to know that there was going to be shit going on in a revolution and in Syria he can't get his head out of his ass at all. The opposition are equal scum and the most prudent course in Syria is to let them fight it out. Putin has pulled his pants down and his underwear up over his head. We have a rank amateur moron for a President who makes Bush look like a genius.
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Re: As Far As Obama Speech About Syria...... [Re: zappaisgod]
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He gets no credit for Iraq and in fact his precipitous withdrawal may have had a deleterious effect.
With the upset of power there 'Deleterious' is about as good as it was ever going to be.
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Afghanistan which he has managed to fuck up pretty well.
Afghanistan is a sewer hole, many countries have tried there and all have failed. If that fuck wad bush had paid attention to it things would have gone a lot different, but he had bigger trees to piss on and now we're all paying for it.
Fuck the other countries they will continue to be a mess for years to come.
And as far as his majesty King Putin, he has his hand stuck in the cookie jar with a fist full of promises and he had better come thru or the bombs will fly on Syria.
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Re: As Far As Obama Speech About Syria...... [Re: sweeper54]
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He gets no credit for Iraq and in fact his precipitous withdrawal may have had a deleterious effect.
With the upset of power there 'Deleterious' is about as good as it was ever going to be.
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Afghanistan which he has managed to fuck up pretty well.
Afghanistan is a sewer hole, many countries have tried there and all have failed. If that fuck wad bush had paid attention to it things would have gone a lot different, but he had bigger trees to piss on and now we're all paying for it.
Who is this "we", Kemosabe, who you think is paying for Obama's botch job? Bush deposed the Taliban and Obama refused to continue their pursuit. Who wasn't paying attention?Quote:
Fuck the other countries they will continue to be a mess for years to come.
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And as far as his majesty King Putin, he has his hand stuck in the cookie jar with a fist full of promises and he had better come thru or the bombs will fly on Syria.
Not fucking likely. Obama saw an out from his ill-advised remark and he jumped at it. The administration will bend over backwards to make it appear Putin is succeeding.
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Re: As Far As Obama Speech About Syria...... [Re: Dildo Baggins] 1
#18844946 - 09/15/13 03:05 PM (10 years, 4 months ago) |
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Dildo Baggins said: Obama came in, winded down the Iraq War, and brought that whole fuckup to a reasonably good ending.
That "reasonably good ending" proceeded according to a plan finalized before Obama came to office.
The Obama administration actually negotiated to allow US troops to remain past the deadline, but were rebuffed by the Iraqi's.
You're giving credit to the wrong tool.
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Iraq, U.S. to discuss extended stay for troops Baghdad's decision comes on the same day Adm. Michael Mullen, chairman of the Joint Chiefs, visits Iraq and warns that the U.S. needs to know whether a training mission will proceed. August 03, 2011|By Ned Parker and Raheem Salman, Los Angeles Times
Reporting from Baghdad — The Iraqi government agreed late Tuesday to start negotiations with U.S. officials on whether to authorize the U.S. military to remain in Iraq on a mission training Iraq's security forces after 2011.
The announcement came the same day that Adm. Michael G. Mullen, chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff, visited the country and warned that Washington needed a clear signal from Iraq about whether it would ask the American military stay on.
http://articles.latimes.com/2011/aug/03/world/la-fg-iraq-us-20110803
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Re: As Far As Obama Speech About Syria...... [Re: luvdemshrooms]
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Libya he got people killed because he was too stupid to know that there was going to be shit going on
Now switch out Libya and insert NYC
2000 people died there because lil'bush fucked up, but NO you want O impeached because four people died in some cesspool. Bush let them into our country to kill us.
If you're counting ZAP that 20.83333 x 'NONE' more people then O 'killed'
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Re: As Far As Obama Speech About Syria...... [Re: sweeper54]
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lol I don't get how these people get voted into office when the majority of the people I know hate there guts. I just wonder what this country would be like if Ron Paul had one
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Libya he got people killed because he was too stupid to know that there was going to be shit going on
Now switch out Libya and insert NYC
2000 people died there because lil'bush fucked up, but NO you want O impeached because four people died in some cesspool. Bush let them into our country to kill us.
If you're counting ZAP that 20.83333 x 'NONE' more people then O 'killed'
Why do you persist in spreading the lie that there was any actionable intelligence regarding 9/11 2001? There was none. In Benghazi, on the other hand, we had the people on the ground begging for more security and once shit started an administration that refused to commit available assets and then lied that the attack was about some video trailer. Further, there was no functioning government of any kind in Libya and still isn't. Do you work for OFA?
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Re: As Far As Obama Speech About Syria...... [Re: zappaisgod]
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In Benghazi, on the other hand, we had the people on the ground begging for more security and once shit started an administration that refused to commit available assets and then lied that the attack was about some video trailer. Further, there was no functioning government of any kind in Libya and still isn't. Do you work for OFA?
Complete BS, first, we didn't know originally who did the attack, why is that even fucking relevant, after all after that stupid fuckin video their was protests across the entire muslim world. I don't think they lied, lied to cover what? That it was Al Qaeda? or a planned attack? You think they would know that immediately, and why after almost one year I keep hearing about this stupid trope, their is plenty of more heinous things to bang Obama on, im sure the GOP gives a tremendous fuck about the 4 americans who died and they certainly aren't trying to gain political points over a tragedy.
http://www.mcclatchydc.com/2012/11/01/173372/us-says-help-was-sent-to-benghazi.html#.UjcNcxTNjK4
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A CIA security team rushed to the U.S. consulate in Libya’s eastern city of Benghazi less than 25 minutes after receiving the first call that the mission was under attack, while a second squad was dispatched by air from the capital, Tripoli, according to a timeline released on Thursday by U.S. intelligence officials.
The timeline is the most detailed accounting to date of the U.S. response to the attack on the consulate and was released to rebut news reports that U.S. officials had delayed a rescue.
“The officials on the ground in Benghazi responded to the situation . . . as quickly and as effectively as possible,” said a senior intelligence official, speaking on condition of anonymity. “There were no orders to anybody to stand down in providing support
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Re: As Far As Obama Speech About Syria...... [Re: The_Red_Crayon]
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Why do you repeatedly lie when you say that Quote:
we had the people on the ground begging for more security and once shit started an administration that refused to commit available assets
This is complete BS, an utter lie, made up. The intelligence agencies in the area did what they could, their were no orders to "stand down" This has been proven conclusively by many intelligence operatives in Libya.
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Re: As Far As Obama Speech About Syria...... [Re: The_Red_Crayon] 1
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http://www.theguardian.com/world/2013/sep/09/us-consulate-benghazi-attack-challenge
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In the preceding months Stevens had cabled three times (7 June, 9 July, and 15 August) asking for more protection or that plans to draw down security be halted, according to the House oversight report. Those months had seen escalating attacks against foreign targets in the city.
Stevens was denied. This is the part about asking for more security.
There were assets based in Italy that could have been scrambled. Real military, not CIA agents. In addition there is this
http://www.cnn.com/2013/05/06/politics/benghazi-whistleblower/index.html
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Specifically, Greg Hicks wondered why the military did not send a plane into Libyan airspace as a show of force, and why four U.S. Special Operations soldiers were not permitted to travel to Benghazi on a Libyan plane the morning of September 12.
Finally the lie about the movie trailer
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The committee's chairman, Rep. Darrell Issa, told CNN Monday that Hicks, who was the U.S. deputy chief of mission in Libya at the time of the attack, "is going to testify that from the get-go, he knew this was a terrorist attack and communicated that to the White House, to the State Department, to anyone that would listen before, during, and after."
Issa asserted that the Obama administration's "talking points" afterward -- specifically the statements by the U.S. ambassador to the United Nations, Susan Rice, which did not acknowledge that it was a terrorist attack, "had an effect on our diplomatic relations" with Libya and "was an unnecessary error."
This was in the middle of a Presidential campaign when the feckless cunt was taking credit for winning the war on terrorists. Every single thing they said was a lie and we still do not knopw where Obama was when it was happening, who ordered the stand down, and who denied Syevens the security he requested. Spit out that Obama cock. It must be leaving a pretty shitty taste in your mouth by now since it has been so firmly planted in the American People's ass for 5 years. Are you willfully ignorant or accidentally ignorant?
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http://hotair.com/archives/2013/09/16/house-oversight-state-dept-obstructed-benghazi-probe/
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Just five days after the one-year anniversary of the attack on our consulate in Benghazi and the murder of a US ambassador and three other Americans, the House Oversight Committee has raised the stakes on the public debate over accountability for the collapse. A new report from Oversight accuses the State Department of willfully obstructing the Congressional investigation into the attack and the actions of the Obama administration before, during, and after the sacking of the consulate. As The Hill notes, the report also accuses the Accountability Review Board of obstruction and participating in a softball attempt to sweep the scandal under the proverbial rug:
Obama Clinton and Rice are some of the most egregious scumbag liars to ever hold office. Anywhere.
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Re: As Far As Obama Speech About Syria...... [Re: zappaisgod]
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bama Clinton and Rice are some of the most egregious scumbag liars to ever hold office. Anywhere.
That would have to be AT LEAST second to lil'bush, Cheney the 'Black Heart' and Dumbsfeld.
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The o-bomb-a appologists have given up saying he is a good president, they know he isn't. So now its trying to show shrub (bush jr) as being equally bad or worse. No one is worse than obumble, history will judge him as number 1 on the worst of all time list.
Shrub added $1t to the debt? How many trillions does ofumble add every year? If you believe those fake unemployment statistics then you are probably gullible enough to vote for the retard. Here is a statistic for you, fewer people are working today as a percentage of work age people, than at any time since the great depression.
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Re: As Far As Obama Speech About Syria...... [Re: starfire_xes]
#18851292 - 09/16/13 09:07 PM (10 years, 4 months ago) |
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starfire_xes said: The 'unemployment number' now is the same as in december 2008. However, the number of people in the workforce has dropped significantly.
So you're going to willfully ignore the fact that the day Obama was inaugerated we were losing 750k jobs per month. Right.
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The average price of gasoline over Obamas 5 years is much higher than it was under Bush.
Domestic oil production is also at an all-time high, there is very little, if anything, a president can do to influence the global price of oil. But of course, you're an expert here, so of course you're right.
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Obama allows prisoners to be sent to foreign countries for 'renditioning' i.e. torturing.
http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/promises/obameter/promise/176/end-the-use-of-extreme-rendition/
Do you have any proof of prisoners to be sent to third part countries to be tortured?
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Each year of Obama's presidency there have been fewer people working than during the bush years.
That's what happens with structural unemployment caused by financial disasters, especially in an increasingly globalized market. Have you seen what true austerity did to Greece and Spain during the downturn?
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A big part of the economic collapse was due to the housing bubble--created by Clinton's 'everyone gets a house' cheap money programs, and carried through by democrats.
Yeah, that isn't the reason. Just remember who controlled the congress the last six years Clinton was president, too.
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shuck-and-jive

That is some seriously ignorant shit. I'm surprised you aren't calling him a monkey like Ann Coulter. Do you use the term "shuck-and-jive" around all your "black friends" who "lived the struggle?"
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like adolph hitler,
There it is, Obama is officially Hitler 
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To sum it up, he is a created image, with all negative information, indeed most of the information in his past hidden, who has never worked a 'real' job, who doesn't know fucking shit about economics, who doesn't know fucking shit about international relations, who is great with a scripted speech. that's it.

That is really what most of these arguments come down to, ad hominem bullshit. Keep on keeping on starfire_xes. Eventually you'll realize you're an "official comedy act," as Zappa likes to call people.
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By the way, he has had about a 1 trillion deficit each year he has been in office which has added about 5 trillion dollars to the national debt. So go hump someone else's leg moron.
The deficit is falling faster than any time in history I'm pretty sure, which most serious economists admit is far too fast. But of course, you've got Ph.Ds in multiple subjects so you are the only expert we need to consult here. Bravo.
Not only that, but not one deficit under Obama has touched Bush's FY2009 budget deficit at 1.4bn
Also ignore the fact that the wars were never paid for, so they weren't put on the deficit, but were put on the national debt.
http://www.politifact.com/texas/statements/2012/jul/19/paul-sadler/paul-sadler-says-national-debt-doubled-under-georg/
http://hnn.us/article/31431
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zappaisgod said: What multi-trillion dollar wars? The entire cost of Iraq and Afghanistan was slightly over a trillion dollars which is the figure the government gave away on means tested largesse in one year alone (2011). 3 out of 8 years on vacation? What the fuck stupid babble is this?
It is expected, that by the end of both the wars and all the contractual obligations that we have due to the wars, $2tn is a low estimate of the total cost.
http://articles.washingtonpost.com/2013-03-28/world/38097452_1_iraq-price-tag-first-gulf-war-veterans
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Q: Mr. Secretary, on Iraq, how much money do you think the Department of Defense would need to pay for a war with Iraq?
Rumsfeld: Well, the Office of Management and Budget, has come up come up with a number that's something under $50 billion for the cost. How much of that would be the U.S. burden, and how much would be other countries, is an open question. I think the way to put it into perspective is that the estimates as to what September 11th cost the United States of America ranges high up into the hundreds of billions of dollars. Now, another event in the United States that was like September 11th, and which cost thousands of lives, but one that involved a -- for example, a biological weapon, would be -- have a cost in human life, as well as in billions, hundreds of billions of dollars, that would be vastly greater.
Rumsfeld claiming that $50bn was a reasonable estimate for the cost of the Iraq war . But these are your boys, right Zap?
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Re: As Far As Obama Speech About Syria...... [Re: Mush4Brains]
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When a chemical weapons ban is in place you can't just look the other way. I think some people just don't understand how painful it would be to be exposed to those chemicals.
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#18851735 - 09/16/13 10:43 PM (10 years, 4 months ago) |
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Complete BS, first, we didn't know originally who did the attack, why is that even fucking relevant, after all after that stupid fuckin video their was protests across the entire muslim world. I don't think they lied, lied to cover what? That it was Al Qaeda? or a planned attack? You think they would know that immediately, and why after almost one year I keep hearing about this stupid trope, their is plenty of more heinous things to bang Obama on, im sure the GOP gives a tremendous fuck about the 4 Americans who died and they certainly aren't trying to gain political points over a tragedy.
You can't honestly be that ignorant unintentionally. First, the Obama admin. was warned on MULTIPLE occasions about the lack of security in Benghazi. The Libyans gave a freaking three day warning prior to the attack even happening.
http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/africa/libya-we-gave-us-threeday-warning-of-benghazi-attack-8145242.html
As for protest being across the entire muslim world you are full of shit. Multiple sources state there was absolutely no freaking protests going on in Benghazi prior to the attack. The guards at the annex stated there wasn't "even an ant" outside of the complex.
For freaking MONTHS prior to the attacks Stevens and others complained of lack of security, their need for more protection, and the freedom at which Al Q was able to operate in the country.
The documents also contain evidence that the State Department's denials of requests for enhanced security in Benghazi in the months leading up to the attack may have contributed to the ability of the attackers to plan their assault on the consulate and annex grounds without being detected.
"I've been placed in a very difficult spot," said Eric A. Nordstrom, the regional security officer who testified before a House hearing last week, in a Feb. 12 email to a colleague, "when the ambassador (Gene Cretz, at that time) that I need to support Benghazi but can't direct MSD (a mobile security detachment) there and been advised that DS (Diplomatic Security) isn't going to provide more than 3 agents over the long term."
"DS is hesitant to devout (sic) resources and as I indicated previously, this has severely hampered operations in Benghazi," wrote Karen Keshap, a State Department manager, to main State in Washington the day before. "That often means that DS agents are there guarding a compound with 2 other DOS (Department of State) personnel present. That often also means that outreach and reporting is non-existent."
Earlier that day, Feb. 11, a colleague of Keshap's, Shawn P. Crowley, had apologized to her and other officials in an email for "being a broken record" on the subject of inadequate security in Benghazi. Crowley added: "(T)omorrow Benghazi will be down to two (DS) agents. ... This will leave us unable to do any outreach to Libyan nationals ... and we will be extremely limited in the ability to obtain any useful information for reporting."
These exchanges followed a dire report to top DS officials a few days earlier from Nordstom. In a Feb. 1 memorandum, the officer warned that "Al-Qaida affiliated groups, including Al-Qaida In the Islamic Magreb (AQIM), and other violent extremist groups are likely to take advantage of the ongoing political turmoil in Libya. The U.S. Government remains concerned that such individuals and groups ... may use Libya as a platform from which to conduct attacks in the region."
Read more: http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2012/10/19/documents-show-stevens-worried-about-libya-security-threats-al-qaeda-before/#ixzz2f7V1ujDu
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According to senior diplomatic sources, the US State Department had credible information 48 hours before mobs charged the consulate in Benghazi, and the embassy in Cairo, that American missions may be targeted, but no warnings were given for diplomats to go on high alert and “lockdown”, under which movement is severely restricted.
This could go on and on. Of course Obama knew this wasn't a spontaneous attack. They lying cocksucker even stated he "wasn't aware" of those governmental worker Benghazi whistle blowers that were being intimidated by Obamas staff at the state dept. Obama is having the state dept. intimidate witness' prior to testifying to congress concerning Benghazi. Isn't witness tampering an offense punishable by a lengthy prison sentence? Why intimidate and attempt to cover up if you are so transparent with nothing to hide?
http://freebeacon.com/classic-whistleblower-reprisal/
http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2013/apr/30/obama-unfamiliar-benghazi-whistle-blower-complaint/
http://freedomoutpost.com/2013/08/cia-agents-who-were-in-benghazi-warned-by-cia-keep-silent-you-jeopardize-your-family/
Of course the lying fucks in this administration aren't lying as you say. Statements:
Biden: "We weren't told they wanted more security. We did not know they wanted more security."
Ryan: "There were requests for extra security. Those requests were not honored."
The facts:
On Wednesday, the State Department's former point man on security in Libya told the House Oversight Committee that he asked for additional security help for the Benghazi facility months before the attack, but was denied.
Various communications dating back a year asked for three to five diplomatic security agents, according to testimony at Wednesday's hearing. But Eric Nordstrom, the one-time regional security officer, said he verbally asked for 12 agents.
The request for 12 agents was rebuffed by the regional director of the State Department's Bureau of Near Eastern Affairs, Nordstrom testified.
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Re: As Far As Obama Speech About Syria...... [Re: Therian]
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You really think security requests go all the way to the White House? 
freebacon.com? freedomoutpost.com? foxnews.com?
Screaming Benghazi over and over doesn't make it instantly into a scandal? What about the dozen attacks that had happened against US consulates and embassies during Bush's tenure? Or is this all about OBAMA and BENGHAZI and IRS SCANDAL and whatever else the radical right is trying to trump up into an impeachable offense?
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There were also somewhere around 30 CIA agents at the embassy annex in Benghazi. (a Few Miles from the main embassy) Why? Well, what little has been stated, and what some think the coverup is about is that there were approximately 400 Russian made Sagger (a really old russian design) or SA-7 shoulder held surface to air missiles at the embassy. These where from the Libyan armies stores. And THAT is why the attacked happened.
The coverup? the obama administration was gun-running to the syrian rebels, Al Qaeda working with the syrians found out, hence the embassy attack. they got away with them all. that is why Obama is so desparate to go into syria.
I'm not saying Bush was anything but a shithead. if you look at what he did, he was an asshole, shithead, globalist, with a very progressive bent. Obama followed in his shadow.
Obama's debts are higher than Bushes. Unemployment is worse under Obama. The Middle East is More destabilized, unless you think Egypt and Syria are signs of Stability. The pullout from Iraq was according to the schedule that Bush put in place.
Obama hasn't done shit He has ran his fucking mouth, spent a lot of money, and gave a lot of speeches.
OK he is the president, and it is true, the president can't do a lot about a lot of things in the country. But at this point, 5 years into his presidency, you can't blame Bush anymore.
The economy was MUCH better under Bush in 2004, and the media raked him over the fucking coals. But Obama? they just blow him, and sing his praises.
As far as oil production, that is on PRIVATE land that the federal government can't do anything about. it is in SPITE of Obama rather because of his policies. But, he is the president, so we can give him some credit.
One thing I do find interesting is that Obama seems to really believe in natural gas production, much to the chagrin of the Green Commies.
I do know for that you have Mush For Brains because you believe the synchophantic media that blows Obama 24-7 and presents a carefully scripted and controlled message about what they want is happening, in order to control the message the people get.
Unfortunately, it isn't working very well anymore because there is a lot of information on the internet and from radio and alternative sources. that is why MSNBC, ABC, CNN, etc have pathetic ratings--because people are turning elsewhere because they realize they are getting smoke blown up their asses.
As far as being respected in the world? I have a lot of Chinee friends, since our factory is in China, and the CHinese think Obama is a fucking buffoon who couldn't even get a job as a village clerk in China's government. they have absolutely no respect for him. Obviously neither does Putin....or many of the euro heads.....
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Re: As Far As Obama Speech About Syria...... [Re: starfire_xes]
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There was no embassy in Benghazi. If you can't get basic facts like this correct, why should anybody bother having an actual discussion with you?
Complaining about the media? Weak. On federal and Indian lands, as well as federally approved offshore drilling sites, oil production went up from 1.6 million barrels per day to 2 million barrels per day between fiscal years 2008 and 2010. But it dropped to 1.8 million barrels per day for the last fiscal year available, a decrease that the U.S. Energy Information Administration attributes to the impact of the Deepwater Horizon oil spill in the Gulf of Mexico.Despite the one-year drop in production, oil production on federal and Indian lands from 2009 through 2011 totaled 2.027 million barrels. That's an average of 675,000 barrels per year during Obama's term, compared to an average annual production of 609,000 barrels annually during Bush's last term.
It's nice to know you have "Chinese" friends and "black" friends.
Obama's debts are higher than Bushes. - That would require turning a 1.4tn deficit into a surplus overnight, really? You're ridiculous. Or are you still confusing deficit with debt?
Unemployment is worse under Obama. - This has been discussed. Where are the jobs the 2010 GOTP promised? Oh wait, all we have is abortion restriction, defunding the PPACA, and obstruction.
The Middle East is More destabilized, unless you think Egypt and Syria are signs of Stability. - How is Obama accountable for either of these?
The pullout from Iraq was according to the schedule that Bush put in place. - That Obama was "raked over the coals" for.
If we're really giving a fuck what some Chinese citizen, or Vladimir Putin thinks... Well, ask Zap what he thinks about Vladimir Putin. I think that might be something we agree on.
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The diplomatic mission in Benghazi and the CIA annex. You know what I meant so you dont need to be condenscending, if you want to be condenscending about things lets compare education--and grades. I have a masters in EE and almost a masters in Engr. Physics, a BSEE in EE--which I graduated with Honors in--and a minor in mathematics. I also have a bunch of economics. In addition, I have an AA with an emphasis in Japanese AND English languages.
What are your educational credentials? If you want to have a discussion, don't be so fucking condenscending just because I'm reminding you that you voted for the fucking worse loser that has ever inhabited the WH. So don't think I don't know what I'm saying just because I'm fucking tired because I work all day and write in a hurry.
There is nothing else to discuss. if you want to believe the fucking horse shit that the liberal media pumps out, and slobber on Obama's cock, fine, but don't come here being a jackass because someone disagrees with you.
Your whole argument has been to call me stupid. Well you are a fucking dumb ass if you think that fucking buffoon in the White House has done anything. don't post any more responses unless you want to have a conversation without the 'Oh, you don't know what you are talking about,' arrogant, condenscending leftist bullshit.'
By the way, going back to unemployment numbers, you post that horseshit BLS statistics, go look at the U6 and U3 numbers and then compare them. Unemployment is rampant in the US and getting worse.
Last thing--you better worry about what the Chinese think. They fucking own enough of our debt to bring our economy completely to its knees if they chose to.
Putin? Yea, he is a fucking jackass. But he sure did make buffoons out of Obama and Kerry. Lucky for Obama he provided an out because Obama ran his mouth about shit he shouldn't have said.
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I have a masters in EE and almost a masters in Engr. Physics, a BSEE in EE--which I graduated with Honors in--and a minor in mathematics. I also have a bunch of economics. In addition, I have an AA with an emphasis in Japanese AND English languages.
So much economics experience you still can't get the words debt and deficit straight.
You can't get basic facts wrong like this and expect yourself to be taken seriously. A diplomatic mission isn't an embassy.
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By the way, going back to unemployment numbers, you post that horseshit BLS statistics, go look at the U6 and U3 numbers and then compare them. Unemployment is rampant in the US and getting worse.
Why do we need to change the metric? When has unemployment ever been measured by U6?
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Well you are a fucking dumb ass if you think that fucking buffoon in the White House has done anything.
What were you saying about condescending?
I'd be careful man, I got banned for three days for calling you a clown.
Would I like a different president than Obama? Yes. Were any of the other candidates on the ballot going to do something better? No. Are you really trying to say Obama hasn't accomplished anything? Well then, you're doing nothing but drinking the Tea Party kool-aid if that is your position.
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Last thing--you better worry about what the Chinese think. They fucking own enough of our debt to bring our economy completely to its knees if they chose to.
Last thing -- . China's approval rating of a sitting president doesn't mean shit.
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Lucky for Obama he provided an out
I thought you already said last thing? But yeah, this was ALL Putin's work . It had nothing to do with a meeting between Putin and Obama at the G20 Summit and absolutely nothing to do with Kerry's comments.
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It came from a comedian and it is complete bullshit cover for President Empty Pants to back off his diarhettic mouth's blather. What is the fuck bag doing about Iran's nuclear program? Nothing. He is a dickless retard and an embarrassment to the nation
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It came from a comedian
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President Empty Pants to back off his diarhettic mouth's blather
How astute.
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What is the fuck bag doing about Iran's nuclear program
What exactly should be done?
http://www.aljazeera.com/indepth/interactive/2012/04/2012417131242767298.html
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Re: As Far As Obama Speech About Syria...... [Re: Mush4Brains]
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You really think security requests go all the way to the White House? 
Of fucking course not. Obama is never responsible for anything. He's "never aware" of what the IRS was doing, not aware of what was going on during fast and furious, not aware as commander in chief of what is happening, for christ sakes he decided to take a fucking nap while those in Benghazi were under attack. He never knows shit, is never responsible for anything that happens under him, and lets everyone else take the blame. You know those in his administration " didn't find it necessary to tell the president" that a fucking governmental agency UNDER HIS CONTROL was illegally "targeting" certain groups, or giving mexican narco terrorists firearms to kill a border control agent and mexican civilians. Yeah, right.
But.... of course Bush was to blame for a fucking hurricane. Ultimately I don't understand why you have to keep bringing up Bush anyhow. Due to the fact I believe Obama is an abject incompetent leader as well as a pathological liar doesn't mean I supported Bush. Hes been gone for half a fucking decade get over it.
If you look at what I posted, the source is irrelevant, the quotes were from security officials during a congressional hearing, as well as through released official correspondence through the DS.
Also the Washington Times reported on Obamas DOCUMENTED statements of how he was "not familiar" that whistle blowers were being intimidated by those under his control. Tell me, what the fuck is Obama responsible for? He is both an incompetent lying fuck, as well as a lying piece of shit that would have all his underlings take the fall for his utter failure as a president as well as CEO.
More bullshit from the hypocritical douche that" has the most transparent administration in history" while simultaneously prosecuting whistle blowers as well as utilizing the espionage act on an unprecedented basis. http://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2013/aug/06/obama-abuse-espionage-act-mccarthyism
Lying, hypocritical, negro fuck, who is absolutely above the law and experiences the joy of having no accountability for anything that ever happens in his administration. The American people, especially those in the military deserve better, far, far, far, better.
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dude, isn't everyone napping on the job, in America?
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Albert Brooks made the joke well before Kerry made his gaffe which preceded any mention by Obama about it.Quote:
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President Empty Pants to back off his diarhettic mouth's blather
How astute.
What is astute and that is beyond your conception is that every single word out of the POTUS's mouth should and must be carefully weighed. This cunt doesn't know that because he has never been held accountable for anything before.Quote:
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What exactly should be done?
In Syria? By the US? Absolutely nothing.Quote:
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He is a dickless retard and an embarrassment to the nation

I'm pretty ashamed that you elected him. What exactly is that al jazeera map supposed to show?
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You really think security requests go all the way to the White House? 
Of fucking course not. Obama is never responsible for anything. He's "never aware" of what the IRS was doing, not aware of what was going on during fast and furious, not aware as commander in chief of what is happening, for christ sakes he decided to take a fucking nap while those in Benghazi were under attack. He never knows shit, is never responsible for anything that happens under him, and lets everyone else take the blame. You know those in his administration " didn't find it necessary to tell the president" that a fucking governmental agency UNDER HIS CONTROL was illegally "targeting" certain groups, or giving mexican narco terrorists firearms to kill a border control agent and mexican civilians. Yeah, right.
But.... of course Bush was to blame for a fucking hurricane. Ultimately I don't understand why you have to keep bringing up Bush anyhow. Due to the fact I believe Obama is an abject incompetent leader as well as a pathological liar doesn't mean I supported Bush. Hes been gone for half a fucking decade get over it.
If you look at what I posted, the source is irrelevant, the quotes were from security officials during a congressional hearing, as well as through released official correspondence through the DS.
Also the Washington Times reported on Obamas DOCUMENTED statements of how he was "not familiar" that whistle blowers were being intimidated by those under his control. Tell me, what the fuck is Obama responsible for? He is both an incompetent lying fuck, as well as a lying piece of shit that would have all his underlings take the fall for his utter failure as a president as well as CEO.
More bullshit from the hypocritical douche that" has the most transparent administration in history" while simultaneously prosecuting whistle blowers as well as utilizing the espionage act on an unprecedented basis. http://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2013/aug/06/obama-abuse-espionage-act-mccarthyism
Lying, hypocritical, negro fuck, who is absolutely above the law and experiences the joy of having no accountability for anything that ever happens in his administration. The American people, especially those in the military deserve better, far, far, far, better.

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Albert Brooks made the joke well before Kerry made his gaffe which preceded any mention by Obama about it.
Yeah, this idea had never been floated by serious policy makers behind closed doors at all. This is all Albert Brooks' work. 
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What is astute and that is beyond your conception is that every single word out of the POTUS's mouth should and must be carefully weighed. This cunt doesn't know that because he has never been held accountable for anything before.
I think it is funny that your scale is Breitbart and other right-wing rags.
You keep calling people names like it makes you big and tough, or like it helps get some sort of point across. No wonder it is impossible to take anything you say seriously.
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In Syria? By the US? Absolutely nothing.
No, in Iran, the country you were talking about and I asked what should be done about Iran. Stay focused.
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I'm pretty ashamed that you elected him. What exactly is that al jazeera map supposed to show?
I really don't care how you feel about Obama being elected.
The map shows exactly what it was supposed to show.
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Albert Brooks made the joke well before Kerry made his gaffe which preceded any mention by Obama about it.
Yeah, this idea had never been floated by serious policy makers behind closed doors at all. This is all Albert Brooks' work. 
And you know this how? By the way, when did we start trusting either of these fuckbags? And how stupid is that?
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What is astute and that is beyond your conception is that every single word out of the POTUS's mouth should and must be carefully weighed. This cunt doesn't know that because he has never been held accountable for anything before.
I think it is funny that your scale is Breitbart and other right-wing rags.
What do you mean by "scale"? That makes no sense. Like most of your posts.
News is news. I get the NY Times delivered everyday and I read almost all of it that is relevant. It is you who lives in an intellectually incestuous bubble, not me.Quote:
You keep calling people names like it makes you big and tough, or like it helps get some sort of point across. No wonder it is impossible to take anything you say seriously.
Get over it. I get my points across quite well. If you prefer you can self edit and say "Dear Leader" whenever I write "cuntface liar" or "President Empty Pants".Quote:
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In Syria? By the US? Absolutely nothing.
No, in Iran, the country you were talking about and I asked what should be done about Iran. Stay focused.
I am not privy to the intelligence data available to the President. I know what he is doing. It's called nothing.Quote:
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I'm pretty ashamed that you elected him. What exactly is that al jazeera map supposed to show?
I really don't care how you feel about Obama being elected.
And I don't care that you don't care. Which is not going to stop me from expressing my disgust. You aren't the only reader of my posts.Quote:
The map shows exactly what it was supposed to show.
What was the point?
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Re: As Far As Obama Speech About Syria...... [Re: zappaisgod]
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President empty suit might be more fitting. What has he accomplished so far? The disaster of obumblecare that is forcing business to hire mostly part timers or go out of business? Is that his big accomplishment? He tried like hell to start ww3 but the threat of impeachment and russia's wise moves saved him (us) from that. He functions best when he does nothing so he is hitting on all cylinders now.
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Re: As Far As Obama Speech About Syria...... [Re: Stonehenge]
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Lol zappa do you read anything besides new york times? NYT is one of the most notorious propaganda papers. It explains a lot if you trust it and its all you read.
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Of course I read more than that. If I read only the Times I would be a deranged liberal dipshit. I use that as an example that I see both sides' output.
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Re: As Far As Obama Speech About Syria...... [Re: zappaisgod]
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This is funny, zappa thinks the nyt is too liberal and others think its too conservative. The answer is yes. None of the major media is worth a crap, the nyt is better than most. The worst? the associated press.
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Re: As Far As Obama Speech About Syria...... [Re: zappaisgod]
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zappaisgod said: Some people did and found him to be a feckless neutered fool.
What the fuck else is new and what did anyone expect from him in another term? Romney would have been no different. Fuck a Dem fuck a Repub they are terrible for everyone and everything.
@Starfire I respect you hatred for the turd in office by why waste so much effort time and time again on this guy?
There is not one shred of evidence that Romney is as stupid as the Affirmative Action cunt
this
I'm sick and tired of hearing from sheep everywhere with their conspiracy theories that Romney would be any different than this............ this nobody, whom nobody knows anything about.
Romney has miles of history and *GASP* a resume, obama won't, hasn't, I mean can we even college transcipts even once?
God forbid he's actually a mormon and not a muslim just for starters.
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sweeper54 said: Calls to several Presidential libraries reveal that President Obama’s predecessor, George W. Bush, was on vacation more — 1,020 days — than any U.S. President since Herbert Hoover and possibly more than any other President in history.
Some claim the cost of Bush’s frequent trips to Crawford, Texas cost taxpayers upwards of $20 million, but the numbers are hard to confirm.
A recession started in 2001 as Bush took office after 22 million jobs were created during the Clinton Administration from 1993 to 2000. Bush began wars in Iraq and Afghanistan and presided over the loss of 4 million jobs.
In 2005, the Washington Post noted President Bush’s frequent vacations in a piece titled Vacationing Bush Poised to Set a Record as Bush took the longest single vacation — 5 weeks — of any President in 36 years.
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2005/08/02/AR2005080201703.html
President Bush spent 32% of his presidency on vacation.
Bush spent 487 days at Camp David during his presidency and 490 days at his Crawford, Texas ranch, a total of 977 days.
When you add the days President Bush spent at Kennebunkport, Maine, he spent a total of 1,020 days away from the White House — close to 3 years. At 1,020 days, Bush was close to being on vacation more days than President John F. Kennedy’s total days in office (1,036).
http://politic365.com/2012/05/08/obamas-vacations-of-any-president-bush-racked-up-the-most/
Zap by my calculation that makes it 42.5 "NONEs"
One Obama vacation to Africa cost more than all of Bush's combined. Not being at the White House does not mean you are on vacation. Your source is crap
This ^
just because bush was running the country from his ranch doesn't mean he was on vacation in even close to the same sense as obama.
Before some liberal moron like mush brains comes and says something, I absolutely borderline hate Bush
You trying to say bush is worse than obama lmfao stop copying and pasting crap you find off a yahoo search link
like one guy already said, obama did more damage on that ONE vacation to africa then bush did in probably the ENTIRETY of his presidency
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What do you mean by "scale"? That makes no sense. Like most of your posts.
You said each of his words must be weighed. I said your scale is Breitbart and other right-wing garbage, as in, you repeat verbatim how they weigh in on subjects.
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You're not privy to a lot of things, so you cannot factually say that nothing is being done, because you have no clue what is being done.
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What was the point?
Critical thinking is HARD. I'm sorry that you might have to come up with your own logical deductions from seeing that map.
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What do you mean by "scale"? That makes no sense. Like most of your posts.
You said each of his words must be weighed. I said your scale is Breitbart and other right-wing garbage, as in, you repeat verbatim how they weigh in on subjects.
Everything I say is original to me. Just because I agree with somebody else doesn't mean I am parroting them. I don't even read Breitbart that much. They are not bookmarked but I might also point out that I am not a child and have been a conservative since high school. My views on conservatism predate the internet by decades. Quote:
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You're not privy to a lot of things, so you cannot factually say that nothing is being done, because you have no clue what is being done.
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Critical thinking is HARD. I'm sorry that you might have to come up with your own logical deductions from seeing that map.
Of course there are bases all around Iran. Almost none of them are due to an encirclement of Iran policy. We could have carriers there in a week or two that are far more than any of those bases. The article even states as much. Did you read it? I'm curious about what YOUR deductions were. That's why I asked for what YOUR point was. Go ahead. Stick your dick out.
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You really don't think it is part of the Iran policy to have military bases completely surrounding Iran?
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Really?
Do you think invading Iraq and Afghanistan 10 years ago had anything to do with Iran's nuclear program, which didn't exist? Or protecting Saudi Arabia and Kuwait 20 years ago?
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Re: As Far As Obama Speech About Syria...... [Re: zappaisgod]
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They didn't have a nuclear program when we orchestrated a coup in 1953, either .
It isn't about the nuclear program. Just like it wasn't about WMD's in Iraq in 2003.
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News is news. I get the NY Times delivered everyday and I read almost all of it that is relevant.
does that mean you only read the comic strips in it?
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News is news. I get the NY Times delivered everyday and I read almost all of it that is relevant.
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Re: As Far As Obama Speech About Syria...... [Re: zappaisgod]
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every once in awhile the tree of liberty must be watered with the blood of patriots and tyrants
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Re: As Far As Obama Speech About Syria...... [Re: cube talk]
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You have to be kidding me, Quote:
like one guy already said, obama did more damage on that ONE vacation to africa then bush did in probably the ENTIRETY of his presidency
I loathe Obama, but this is pure absurdity, GWB made so many errors in foreign and domestic policy, I couldn't even name them all, I mean shit. Everything from the Dubai buying Ports in the US to thinking Saddam somehow funded Al Qaeda (even though saddam was secular and just as much an enemy to Al Qaeda) The mismanagement in trying to fight the wars on the cheap, inadequate plans to get Bin Laden allowing him to escape through the mountains in Tora Bora because Rumsfeld used Northern Alliance instead of our boys. I mean, the Insurgency in Iraq, I remember Rumsfeld saying, we will be out by july 2006, and by 2006 the country is almost in full scale civil war between Sunni and Shiite. GWB is Jihadi's dream, he played right into the hands of AL Qaeda for the most part, although Osama severely underestimated our fighting capability. The enhanced interrogation, CIA black prisons. GWB expanded the executive so much that jagoffs like Obama have more power then ever.
Obama may be a fucking tard, but he doesn't even compare to GWB and his rubber stamp congress and senate in his first term,
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Re: As Far As Obama Speech About Syria...... [Re: imachavel]
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imachavel said: every once in awhile the tree of liberty must be watered with the blood of patriots and tyrants
Bring it on we'll kick your ass again.
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Re: As Far As Obama Speech About Syria...... [Re: imachavel]
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Wow, I even found a place that some share my political views! I am far, far right some of you are too. Nice!
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Re: As Far As Obama Speech About Syria...... [Re: girlfromga]
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If you are a little bit moderate they call you right wing here. Even many people who are liberal on drugs and other things get tagged as neocon or something. The average is to the left of karl marx.
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Re: As Far As Obama Speech About Syria...... [Re: girlfromga]
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Re: As Far As Obama Speech About Syria...... [Re: zappaisgod]
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I like you too, zappa. I just wish you would stick to discussing issues rather than ranting at the communists. I realize its tempting to do but then all the threads end up the same. Some do not deserve a thought out reply but some do.
girlfromga, you will be a welcome addition to the board.
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Re: As Far As Obama Speech About Syria...... [Re: Stonehenge]
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Communists, socialists, bums of other stripes. I rant at them all.
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Re: As Far As Obama Speech About Syria...... [Re: The_Red_Crayon]
#18886924 - 09/24/13 09:55 PM (10 years, 4 months ago) |
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Obama may be a fucking tard, but he doesn't even compare to GWB and his rubber stamp congress and senate in his first term,
You are right. Obama is way fucking worse. If you haven't figured it out Bush was a fucking Global Progressive, like Obama. Their policies are fucking almost identical....its the bones and scraps they throw to the good little puppy dogs who support them that are a little different--the bones and scaps they throw to keep the sheeple believing that they are somehow different, when all the time they are supporting the big global business money tycoons.
And I'd say not one fucking president in the last....oh, 50 years has got foreign policy right.
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Re: As Far As Obama Speech About Syria...... [Re: starfire_xes]
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Reagan and Poppy bush were alright
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Re: As Far As Obama Speech About Syria...... [Re: zappaisgod]
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Poppy was a communist. That motherfucker raised taxes after promising he wouldn't.
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Re: As Far As Obama Speech About Syria...... [Re: Mush4Brains]
#18889080 - 09/25/13 12:31 PM (10 years, 4 months ago) |
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Poppy raised taxes? You might want to take a look at the composition of Congress when he was President. The Dems were in pretty solid control of both the House and the Senate and they write the tax laws.
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Re: As Far As Obama Speech About Syria...... [Re: zappaisgod]
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I met this morning with the bipartisan leadership—the Speaker, the Senate majority leader, the Senate Republican leader, the House majority leader, and the House Republican leader—to review the status of the deficit reduction negotiations.
It is clear to me that both the size of the deficit problem and the need for a package that can be enacted require all of the following: entitlement and mandatory program reform, tax revenue increases, growth incentives, discretionary spending reductions, orderly reductions in defense expenditures, and budget process reform to assure that any bipartisan agreement is enforceable and that the deficit problem is brought under responsible control. The bipartisan leadership agree with me on these points.
Read my lips: Poppy was a commie. A tax raising, lying commie piece of shit.
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Re: As Far As Obama Speech About Syria...... [Re: Mush4Brains]
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He couldn't do anything without Congress, which was wholly owned by the Dems. And what did we get after? A tax raising, lying commmie piece of shit with pussy foreign policy and a wandering porker plugging dick.
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Re: As Far As Obama Speech About Syria...... [Re: zappaisgod]
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I met this morning with the bipartisan leadership—the Speaker, the Senate majority leader, the Senate Republican leader, the House majority leader, and the House Republican leader—to review the status of the deficit reduction negotiations.
It is clear to me that both the size of the deficit problem and the need for a package that can be enacted require all of the following: entitlement and mandatory program reform, tax revenue increases, growth incentives, discretionary spending reductions, orderly reductions in defense expenditures, and budget process reform to assure that any bipartisan agreement is enforceable and that the deficit problem is brought under responsible control. The bipartisan leadership agree with me on these points.
Keep trying to slime your way out of it.
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You do know that Congress makes the tax laws, right? All the President does is sign them. What does that have to do with foreign policy anyway?
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Re: As Far As Obama Speech About Syria...... [Re: zappaisgod]
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The arms race in Syria is getting quite nasty btw.
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Re: As Far As Obama Speech About Syria...... [Re: The_Red_Crayon]
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What a surprise. A brutish war between two troglodyte sides. http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424052702303796404579096782311389904.html
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Re: As Far As Obama Speech About Syria...... [Re: zappaisgod]
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There wouldn't be all the fighting if outside influences hadnt stoked the fire and imported all the arms and fighters.
I dont think assad ever killed as many people as who are getting killed now.
did anyone watch the speech at the UN that the newly elected president of Iran gave?
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Re: As Far As Obama Speech About Syria...... [Re: Shins]
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Shins said: There wouldn't be all the fighting if outside influences hadnt stoked the fire and imported all the arms and fighters.
I dont think assad ever killed as many people as who are getting killed now.
did anyone watch the speech at the UN that the newly elected president of Iran gave?
I know he fucking flat-ass snubbed Obama. Fucking ignored him like an Obama is some insignificant tin-horn dictator.
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Re: As Far As Obama Speech About Syria...... [Re: Shins]
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Shins said: There wouldn't be all the fighting if outside influences hadnt stoked the fire and imported all the arms and fighters.
I dont think assad ever killed as many people as who are getting killed now.
did anyone watch the speech at the UN that the newly elected president of Iran gave?
Ya know I'm 100% with ya that this sucks for most Syrians and 100% with ya that we have no business there but I cannot for the life of me figure out why you have a side in this fight. They both suck horribly
No. Nobody watched the speech that nutcase gave. Did you? Are you well?
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Re: As Far As Obama Speech About Syria...... [Re: zappaisgod]
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The nutcase is obama, so that we don't forget. I happen to think iran has a right to exist and to do peaceful things. How is it that people "know" they plan to make nuke weapons and use them? They don't, even our spies tell us they have no such plans but certain elements don't care about facts they want iran eliminated. Obama being the piece of crap he is will probably attack iran if told to do so. He may start firing missile into syria at any given moment. He is a loose cannon and his greatest asset is that he is a coward.
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Re: As Far As Obama Speech About Syria...... [Re: Stonehenge]
#18895978 - 09/26/13 08:58 PM (10 years, 4 months ago) |
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I thought Obama did diplomacy with Syria and agreed to inspect the plants instead of bombing? And Russia said armed guards would protect plant workers during the inspection. Has he decided already he has his heart set on bombing?
Obama is like a kid set who gets their heart set on Disneyland. You know, once someone gets their heart set on something, its hard to throw them off. Obama just wants the candy, and for him the "candy" is bombing someone. Once a kid wants that candy, one way or another, they are going to get it
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Re: As Far As Obama Speech About Syria...... [Re: zappaisgod]
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zappaisgod said: You do know that Congress makes the tax laws, right? All the President does is sign them. What does that have to do with foreign policy anyway?
You realize the POTUS has veto power, and the Democrats didn't have a veto-proof majority, right? Why do you keep trying to slither your way out of realizing that sensible Republicans know when taxes need to be raised for the betterment of the country?
You realize that was an official White House statement on the budget, right?
keep trying to slide your way out of your opinion that Poppy was a "true" conservative. Poppy was a pragmatist, just like Slick Willy. Obviously your old age is affecting your memory of the "good ol' days."
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Re: As Far As Obama Speech About Syria...... [Re: zappaisgod]
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Sure, its war and their are no rules, as for pragmatism, I throw my support around the FSA, sure maybe some of their groups are quite nasty, they don't have much control over their groups either, but they are firmly against ISIS, ISIS is a massive threat in northern Syria, and the FSA and ISIS will eventually clash.
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Re: As Far As Obama Speech About Syria...... [Re: The_Red_Crayon]
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Obumble was saved by soviets offering the deal on chem arms. O'stumble was given a gift by the russians and to his credit had enough sense to take it. He really wanted to bomb but it looked like congress was going to turn him down. He was able to salvage a scrap of his dignity by taking the deal but he really wanted to be a cowboy and bomb.
Congress passes budgets, the pres can either stand in the way or rubber stamp it. If a budget buster is passed then both congress and the numbscull in the whitehouse are to blame.
Its funny how bush jr is going up in the polls while the incompetent socialist is dropping like a stone.
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zappaisgod said: You do know that Congress makes the tax laws, right? All the President does is sign them. What does that have to do with foreign policy anyway?
You realize the POTUS has veto power, and the Democrats didn't have a veto-proof majority, right? Why do you keep trying to slither your way out of realizing that sensible Republicans know when taxes need to be raised for the betterment of the country?
Yes. He has the power to say no. That's it.Quote:
You realize that was an official White House statement on the budget, right?
Yes, after being told how it's gonna be by a Dem CongressQuote:
keep trying to slide your way out of your opinion that Poppy was a "true" conservative. Poppy was a pragmatist, just like Slick Willy. Obviously your old age is affecting your memory of the "good ol' days."
I thought this was about foreign policy? Or is your old age causing you to lose the topic of conversation?
I don't think we have had a true conservative in decades. Reagan came closest. He was a mixed bag on foreign policy though. He ignored the Islamists and focused solely on the commies and used the Islamists in that fight. He didn't understand what nutcases they are, even crazier than the commies.
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Re: As Far As Obama Speech About Syria...... [Re: The_Red_Crayon]
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The_Red_Crayon said: ISIS is a massive threat in northern Syria, and the FSA and ISIS will eventually clash.
They already have throughout their entire engagement in this conflict. Most recently, last week, when they seized Azaz from the FSA.
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Re: As Far As Obama Speech About Syria...... [Re: ChuangTzu]
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Yea they had a few gun battles with Kurdish PYD, I heard they shot 450 hostages in one Kurdish town, ISIS are nasty fucks.
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Re: As Far As Obama Speech About Syria...... [Re: The_Red_Crayon]
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The_Red_Crayon said: Yea they had a few gun battles with Kurdish PYD, I heard they shot 450 hostages in one Kurdish town, ISIS are nasty fucks.
All sides are nasty fucks. It would be different if some truly secular, freedom loving, revolutionaries with some sort of a substantial percentage of the population were fighting for equality. This is obviously not the case. The reality is you have multiple factions of, equality hating, religiously fanatic sand nigers all struggling for domination. The middle east is culturally inferior to the western world because of their overwhelming abundance of religious fanaticism.
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Re: As Far As Obama Speech About Syria...... [Re: Simplicitry]
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No I don't see it like that, there are many groups of people in Syria fighting a secular democratic state, its the very reason for the revolution itself, it cant be helped that assholes hijacked, infact a lot of groups are turning on Jabhat al Nusra and ISIS, and their is a campaign increasing in Syria "saying Al Qaeda doesn't represent our revolution" Syria has always been a progressive middle eastern country, never has their really been ethnic tension in this country and Christians,Druze, Shiite, and Sunni have lived in relative peace for centuries. I don't think the Syrian want to be marred in perpetual warfare, think Northern Ireland, revolutions have a habit of moving to sectarian lines. However peace can be made, im sure till the good Friday agreement in 1998 that the (P)IRA would ever think of being at peace with the Ulster Freedom Front or some other group.
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Re: As Far As Obama Speech About Syria...... [Re: The_Red_Crayon]
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Assad already was relatively secular. I also think you are completely wrong about groups turning on the whackjobs. http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424052702303796404579096782311389904.html
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Some of the most powerful units in the Syrian insurgency have rejected the leadership of the main Western-backed opposition political group, calling for a reorganization of rebels and activists in Syria under Islamic law.
The statement was signed by 13 rebel groups, including Jabhat al-Nusra, a U.S.-designated terrorist group, and factions that are part of the Western-backed Free Syrian Army alliance.
It was the first time the FSA rebels appeared to ally with al-Nusra at the risk of alienating their Western benefactors.
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Re: As Far As Obama Speech About Syria...... [Re: Simplicitry]
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Simplicitry said: It would be different if some truly secular, freedom loving, revolutionaries with some sort of a substantial percentage of the population were fighting for equality. This is obviously not the case.
Actually it is the case. You just don't hear about the normal people because it's not as newsworthy as some dickhead eating some already dead guy's heart (and really, who gives a shit about that)...
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Re: As Far As Obama Speech About Syria...... [Re: ChuangTzu]
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They may be living in the country but they sure aren't doing much of the fighting.
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Re: As Far As Obama Speech About Syria...... [Re: zappaisgod]
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zappaisgod said: They may be living in the country but they sure aren't doing much of the fighting.
It's easy to get the perception that that's the case because of the number of articles about some crazy shit happening vs. the number of articles about regular people who are doing the same thing that any one of us would do (with the probable exception of certain scumbags who I won't name *cough.cough.shins.cough*)
If you ignore all the Syrian university students who are as Muslim as I am Christian, their families, and the scientists, engineers, teachers, and other educated, pretty-damn-secular-for-the-Arab-world people, there are still the Kurds.
I really don't get the idea that either there are no normal people in Syria, that they are all pansies who gladly suffer a dictatorship, or that they would just bail out at the first sign of trouble. Especially when it seems like they're the ones who started this whole party in the first place.
Some form of the above has been so common that I took an unpaid leave of absence from work earlier this year and went to Syria to find out for myself if it was full of shit-bags. Turns out it isn't.
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Re: As Far As Obama Speech About Syria...... [Re: ChuangTzu] 2
#18908541 - 09/29/13 07:19 PM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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I have no doubt that there are normal human beings there. I have no reason to believe that they are seriously involved in the fighting or that anything good for them will come from this. Semi-secular scumbag dictator or batshit loon Islamist. That seems to be the paradigm.
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Re: As Far As Obama Speech About Syria...... [Re: ChuangTzu]
#18909213 - 09/29/13 09:51 PM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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Chang there may have been legit protests in the very beginning but It was quickly siezed upon by foreign opportunists with agendas. From very early on this is what happened. My beef is that it was infiltrated and siezed upon by violent terrorists and mercinaries supplied by foreign countries with geo political agendas. Any legit protest was gone very early on and infiltrated into a violent attempt at foreign backed regime change. Syria has been on the card for decades and foreign influences jumped on it to try and impliment their geo strategic plans. It has not been about peacful protest issues for a long time now, these rebels who are fighting arw not part of that, they are mostly foreign terrorist invaders attacking a relatively moderate country.
How can you call me things cheng when you support al qaeda? I think its outragous that you think I'm bad because I'm against foreign al qaeda jihadis taking over syria! Get a grip!
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Re: As Far As Obama Speech About Syria...... [Re: zappaisgod]
#18909559 - 09/30/13 12:01 AM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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zappaisgod said: I have no doubt that there are normal human beings there. I have no reason to believe that they are seriously involved in the fighting or that anything good for them will come from this. Semi-secular scumbag dictator or batshit loon Islamist. That seems to be the paradigm.
Beat me to it. It kills me to see this many people just trying to get through life in the middle of things. Sucks when kids die, but that's just a portion of all the shit that's going down.
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Simplicitry
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Re: As Far As Obama Speech About Syria...... [Re: ChuangTzu]
#18909709 - 09/30/13 01:14 AM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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ChuangTzu said: , pretty-damn-secular-for-the-Arab-world people, there are still the Kurds.
Yeah under the Iron fist of the Assads. Kinda like how Egypt was pretty damn secular under Mubarak, Iraq under Saddam.
What always happens when the strongman starts to fall? Sand niggers that carry the disease called Islam start murdering people along sectarian lines, burning churches down, etc...
Do you deny there is a sectarian aspect to the war? With the opposing sides fighting for power?
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ChuangTzu said: that they are all pansies who gladly suffer a dictatorship
It's a historical fact that they were, and that they did just that for longer then I've been alive
As muslim as you are Christian? Of course some are, but percentages of the population are what matter in discussions such as this one. You're not honestly trying to imply that a majority of people in that region don't take their religion seriously are you?
If Islam is followed correctly by adherents in Muslim nations it is a form of government.
Islam is inconducive with freedom
Islam is inconducive with equality
Islam is a disease that the world would be better off if it were eradicated, but it's not going anywhere anytime soon because a great many people in that region love their disease, so much so they will happily infect their own offspring with it
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Re: As Far As Obama Speech About Syria...... [Re: Simplicitry]
#18909725 - 09/30/13 01:24 AM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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whoa, Simplicity, you've changed your hair or something?
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ChuangTzu
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Re: As Far As Obama Speech About Syria...... [Re: Shins]
#18913111 - 09/30/13 08:47 PM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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Shins said: Any legit protest was gone very early on and infiltrated into a violent attempt at foreign backed regime change.
I saw legit non-violent protests still happening on a large scale in Aleppo earlier this year. They still happen every Friday.
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How can you call me things cheng when you support al qaeda?
In what way do I support al qaeda???
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Re: As Far As Obama Speech About Syria...... [Re: Simplicitry]
#18913140 - 09/30/13 08:52 PM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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Simplicitry said: Sand niggers
This is where I almost stop reading...
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Do you deny there is a sectarian aspect to the war? With the opposing sides fighting for power?
I don't deny that at all. I've said it myself multiple times.
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It's a historical fact that they were, and that they did just that for longer then I've been alive
How long have you been alive? The last uprising in Syria was in the 80s when the senior Assad killed 10s of thousands of Syrians in less than a month. That kind of shit puts a damper on dissent for a while.
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You're not honestly trying to imply that a majority of people in that region don't take their religion seriously are you?
No, I'm just not selling out the minority.
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If Islam is followed correctly by adherents in Muslim nations it is a form of government.
Correctly according to you.
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Re: As Far As Obama Speech About Syria...... [Re: ChuangTzu]
#18928911 - 10/03/13 11:31 PM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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Simplicitry said: Sand niggers
This is where I almost stop reading...
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Do you deny there is a sectarian aspect to the war? With the opposing sides fighting for power?
I don't deny that at all. I've said it myself multiple times.
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It's a historical fact that they were, and that they did just that for longer then I've been alive
How long have you been alive? The last uprising in Syria was in the 80s when the senior Assad killed 10s of thousands of Syrians in less than a month. That kind of shit puts a damper on dissent for a while.
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You're not honestly trying to imply that a majority of people in that region don't take their religion seriously are you?
No, I'm just not selling out the minority.
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If Islam is followed correctly by adherents in Muslim nations it is a form of government.
Correctly according to you.
Actually correctly according to the Koran. You can disagree with what I say about Islam, but disagreeing with what the book that Islam is based on says about Islam....
Well that would just be fucking stupid now wouldn't it?
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Re: As Far As Obama Speech About Syria...... [Re: Simplicitry]
#18933331 - 10/04/13 09:35 PM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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Simplicitry said: Actually correctly according to the Koran. You can disagree with what I say about Islam, but disagreeing with what the book that Islam is based on says about Islam....
There are more interpretations of what is written in the koran than there are Muslims in the world. Just like hardly any Christians stone their neighbors to death when they collect wood on the Sabbath...
Stop being a douche.
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Simplicitry
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Re: As Far As Obama Speech About Syria...... [Re: ChuangTzu]
#18933768 - 10/04/13 11:08 PM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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Simplicitry said: Actually correctly according to the Koran. You can disagree with what I say about Islam, but disagreeing with what the book that Islam is based on says about Islam....
There are more interpretations of what is written in the koran than there are Muslims in the world. Just like hardly any Christians stone their neighbors to death when they collect wood on the Sabbath...
Stop being a douche.
Christians are fucking retarded too, they just tend to populate areas that have better governments with more regard to human rights, religious freedom, equality for women etc...
Besides your confusing Christians for Jews. Christian scripture (New Testament) teaches turning the other cheek etc...They don't follow jewish law.
Your ignorance of the different Abrahamic religions scriptures and law is not my problem.
Besides countries' track records on human rights where Islamists reign speak for themselves
You can try and pass off the lie of Islam being moderate, or peace loving on some ignorant fool, but I happen to know better.
Their history (especially recent), their scripture, their culture, the situation of woman homosexuals & peoples outside the "people of the book" tells quite a different story.
You can side with a group like that as much as you please just don't expect me to swallow that bullshit and join you.
I have spent more time in muslim countries then I care to remember. Never returning to another. Muslims are disgusting mentally diseased animals regardless of ethnicity
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Re: As Far As Obama Speech About Syria...... [Re: Simplicitry]
#18935295 - 10/05/13 09:15 AM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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They tend to populate areas with better government? They CREATE areas with better government.
All men are not created equal in ability. They are only equal under the law and have equal rights.
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Re: As Far As Obama Speech About Syria...... [Re: Simplicitry]
#18935370 - 10/05/13 09:37 AM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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Simplicitry said: Christians are fucking retarded too,
No shit.
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Besides your confusing Christians for Jews.
No I'm not. I'm saying that something being in or not being in a holy book doesn't mean it is or isn't followed by any particular proponent of that religion. That's fucking retarded.
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Besides countries' track records on human rights where Islamists reign speak for themselves
Right, because nations predominately populated by Christians have always been bastions of morality.
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You can try and pass off the lie of Islam being moderate, or peace loving on some ignorant fool, but I happen to know better.
Islam isn't moderate, conservative, or what-the-fuck-ever. People tend to be. And some people who would call themselves Muslim don't give a fuck about the stuff you think they do.
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Their history (especially recent), their scripture, their culture, the situation of woman homosexuals & peoples outside the "people of the book" tells quite a different story.
You're conflating an image of an entire group of people with the values of every single one of the individuals in that group. Pure bullshit. That black guy you've never seen before in your life is a crack-smoking rapist, right?
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You can side with a group like that as much as you please just don't expect me to swallow that bullshit and join you.
I'm not siding with any groups here and I don't care if you swallow anything or not.
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Re: As Far As Obama Speech About Syria...... [Re: zappaisgod]
#18935493 - 10/05/13 10:11 AM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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zappaisgod said: They tend to populate areas with better government? They CREATE areas with better government.
All men are not created equal in ability. They are only equal under the law and have equal rights.
I know that, but I was trying to avoid giving Chuang more of tangent to go off on. We weren't discussing Christians, we were discussing Islam, and I want to stay on point
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Re: As Far As Obama Speech About Syria...... [Re: ChuangTzu]
#18935636 - 10/05/13 10:58 AM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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ChuangTzu said: No I'm not. I'm saying that something being in or not being in a holy book doesn't mean it is or isn't followed by any
You assigned Jewish Law to Christians, off point but still your mistake. My impression of you "but Christians, but Christians, but Christians!" Only problem is we weren't discussing Christians. I guess anything but staying point is desirable when you're defending a group with such a treacherous recent track record on oppression, human rights, sexism, and corruption. Quote:
ChuangTzu said: Right, because nations predominately populated by Christians have always been bastions of morality.
Christians! Christians! Christians! Again try to stay on point we're talking about Islam. Quote:
ChuangTzu said: Islam isn't moderate, conservative, or what-the-fuck-ever. People tend to be. And some people who would call themselves Muslim don't give a fuck about the stuff you think they do.
Are saying groups can't be moderate or extreme? Conservative or Liberal? Cause if so that's fucking stupid
I've educated myself extensively on Islam. I've educated myself extensively on governments in the Middle East. I never said anything about what this individual or that individual cares about. I said percentages of the population are what matter. Their societal norms matter. Their historical track record matters. You can choose to blind yourself from these facts but I'm not fucking blind Quote:
ChuangTzu said: You're conflating an image of an entire group of people with the values of every single one of the individuals in that group. Pure bullshit. That black guy you've never seen before in your life is a crack-smoking rapist, right?
People like you who appear to live in a fantasy world don't like to admit it but black males are more likely to smoke crack or commit violent crimes percentage wise
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Simplicitry said: As muslim as you are Christian? Of course some are, but percentages of the population are what matter in discussions such as this one. You're not honestly trying to imply that a majority of people in that region don't take their religion seriously are you?
Nice Strawman, please try again.
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ChuangTzu said: I'm not siding with any groups here and I don't care if you swallow anything or not.
it seems like you're trying very hard to protect a group that lacks religious freedom, women's rights, gay rights, and just generally has terrible track record when it comes to tolerance, freedom, and basic human rights.
Keep up the good fight!
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