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Re: As Far As Obama Speech About Syria...... [Re: sweeper54]
    #18837239 - 09/13/13 02:44 PM (10 years, 4 months ago)

No it isn't


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Re: As Far As Obama Speech About Syria...... [Re: zappaisgod]
    #18837463 - 09/13/13 03:41 PM (10 years, 4 months ago)

Then stick your head back in the sand and cry like a fuck'n baby.


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Re: As Far As Obama Speech About Syria...... [Re: Mush4Brains]
    #18837659 - 09/13/13 04:34 PM (10 years, 4 months ago)

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Sounds like some real great tracking devices were used, champ.




Which was why the program was cancelled, well that and the massive corruption of the Mexican police and the lack of clear communication of the ATF.

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The first known ATF "gunwalking" operation to Mexican drug cartels, named Operation Wide Receiver, began in early 2006 and ran into late 2007.




From your own source.


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Re: As Far As Obama Speech About Syria...... [Re: Mush4Brains] * 1
    #18839123 - 09/13/13 10:16 PM (10 years, 4 months ago)

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Mush4Brains said:
  • Exactly how is the middle east more destabilized?  And what exactly was Obama's role in this?
  • The multitrillion dollar wars will have more kickbacks to Bush and Co. than Obama could ever dream of.
  • ATF gunwalking started in 2006, champ.
  • Codified torture? I think you're mistaken, champ.
  • Kept Guantanamo open?  Yeah, look at congress for that one, champ.
  • Bush's Bin Laden policy was to let him escape Tora Bora, and to “really just don't spend that much time on“ him.
  • Ridiculous tax increases :lol: OK, champ.
  • The supreme court is apparently the only court you know :facepalm:?
  • "built up a 5 trillion dollar deficit in the time it took Bush to do 1.3 trillion":facepalm: - This is why nobody will ever take you seriously.  I know 14-year-olds that don't even get debt and deficit confused.


You're a clown starfire, and you really have no idea what the fuck you're talking about.

Edit: I forgot to hit your other points that you started before your shitty list.
  • Unemployment is lower now than when W left office (and remember, the day Obama was inaugurated we were losing 750k jobs a month - or do you block that tiny fact out?).
  • Inflation is when Obama took office was artificially low due to the crash, so it is ridiculous to compare, but you can see in late 2008 where inflation was compared to where it is now.
  • Gas prices are lower now than their highest point when W was in office





I mean, come the fuck on, these are basic numbers you could look up by your goddamn self instead of being a fucking parrot.

Out of all of those, I'll give you the food prices are higher, you're actually right about one thing.  :kaneclap:

You also forgot to mention with all your "highest" this and "highest" that, that the stock market is at one of it's highest points of all time.






The stock market is higher because the FED is printing money.  this inflates the money supply and causes investors to put their money into equities.

The 'unemployment number' now is the same as in december 2008.  However, the number of people in the workforce has dropped significantly.

The average price of gasoline over Obamas 5 years is much higher than it was under Bush.

Obama allows prisoners to be sent to foreign countries for 'renditioning' i.e. torturing. 

Each year of Obama's presidency there have been fewer people working than during the bush years. 

A big part of the economic collapse was due to the housing bubble--created by Clinton's 'everyone gets a house' cheap money programs, and carried through by democrats.  You can go to youtube and see the Democrats--and The Fed--talking about how sound the housing market was, and that there was no danger of a bubble, blah blah blah, right up to the time it collapsed--Ron Paul was one of the people who warned Congress, back in about 2003, of the danger.

My point is the fucking fraud shuck-and-jive assclown Obama is no better or really any different than Bush.  you can't blame Bush for the sorry state of the economy now.

Look at the black unemployment numbers and compare them.

Just because you sucked up to Obama and he 'got you going' emotionally don't think his ass is lily white.  For Christ's sake, he isn't even a black american that lived 'the struggle' as my black friends call it.  he grew up--in foreign countries, and hawaii, and was apparanetly an equal-opportunity college student--he got shit handed to him.  He sure as fuck wasn't a poor black kid from the hood.

He is an illusion--he isn't the genius, all knowing, Savior that people think he is.  He is a highly polished image created by his handlers, with any negative information carefully hidden in his background, aided by a corrupt media who is on their knees to him.

what he does have is a spectacular gift for oration--like adolph hitler, the cadence of his speech, and the words he uses in the carefully crafted speeches that are written for him are able to move people emotionally, and he comes across as a likable person.

To sum it up, he is a created image, with all negative information, indeed most of the information in his past hidden, who has never worked a 'real' job, who doesn't know fucking shit about economics, who doesn't know fucking shit about international relations, who is great with a scripted speech.  that's it.

By the way, he has had about a 1 trillion deficit each year he has been in office which has added about 5 trillion dollars to the national debt.  So go hump someone else's leg moron.


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Re: As Far As Obama Speech About Syria...... *DELETED* [Re: starfire_xes]
    #18844440 - 09/15/13 12:42 PM (10 years, 4 months ago)

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Re: As Far As Obama Speech About Syria...... [Re: Dildo Baggins] * 1
    #18844530 - 09/15/13 01:11 PM (10 years, 4 months ago)

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Dude, Obama's foreign policy record has been excellent. I mean look at the international mess he was handed by Bush (not to mention the domestic recession which was set to be the biggest since the Great Depression).

Obama came in, winded down the Iraq War, and brought that whole fuckup to a reasonably good ending. Then he killed Osama Fucking Bin Laden. You remember that guy? The guy Bush was quoted as "not being that concerned with."

He's decimated Al Qaeda with drone strikes, taking out a good solid number of their top commanders over and over and over again.

Libya? He let that whole thing play out beautifully. We didn't lose a single life and spent very little money getting a longstanding dictator the fuck off his throne. Compare that to the blood and treasure lost in Bush's Iraq Experiment.

Now with Syria which is extremely complicated and a very difficult situation, he's somewhat strong armed the Syrians into considering just giving up their chemical weapons. The only reason why the Syrians are even considering doing that is because Obama has trumped up an American threat of cruise missile strikes. The Syrians know Obama means business and they quite possibly might blink first while they simultaneously shit their pants.

We don't know how Syria will end up. But to say Obama is a fuckup on foreign policy is laughable, particularly when you look at the last president's record.



LOL.  The whole world thinks he is an ineffectual jerkoff.  And they're right.  He gets no credit for Iraq and in fact his precipitous withdrawal may have had a deleterious effect.  He was also handed a fait accompli in Afghanistan which he has managed to fuck up pretty well.  He had nothing to do with getting bin Laden.  He supported the Muslim Brotherhood who are a huge bunch of scumbags that even the Egyptians can't stand.  Libya he got people killed because he was too stupid to know that there was going to be shit going on in a revolution and in Syria he can't get his head out of his ass at all.  The opposition are equal scum and the most prudent course in Syria is to let them fight it out.  Putin has pulled his pants down and his underwear up over his head.  We have a rank amateur moron for a President who makes Bush look like a genius.


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Re: As Far As Obama Speech About Syria...... [Re: zappaisgod]
    #18844565 - 09/15/13 01:27 PM (10 years, 4 months ago)

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He gets no credit for Iraq and in fact his precipitous withdrawal may have had a deleterious effect.




With the upset of power there 'Deleterious' is about as good as it was ever going to be.

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Afghanistan which he has managed to fuck up pretty well.




Afghanistan is a sewer hole, many countries have tried there and all have failed. If that fuck wad bush had paid attention to it things would have gone a lot different, but he had bigger trees to piss on and now we're all paying for it.

Fuck the other countries they will continue to be a mess for years to come.

And as far as his majesty King Putin, he has his hand stuck in the cookie jar with a fist full of promises and he had better come thru or the bombs will fly on Syria.


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Re: As Far As Obama Speech About Syria...... [Re: sweeper54]
    #18844632 - 09/15/13 01:46 PM (10 years, 4 months ago)

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sweeper54 said:
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He gets no credit for Iraq and in fact his precipitous withdrawal may have had a deleterious effect.




With the upset of power there 'Deleterious' is about as good as it was ever going to be.

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Afghanistan which he has managed to fuck up pretty well.




Afghanistan is a sewer hole, many countries have tried there and all have failed. If that fuck wad bush had paid attention to it things would have gone a lot different, but he had bigger trees to piss on and now we're all paying for it.




Who is this "we", Kemosabe, who you think is paying for Obama's botch job?  Bush deposed the Taliban and Obama refused to continue their pursuit.  Who wasn't paying attention?
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Fuck the other countries they will continue to be a mess for years to come.




There will always be messes as long as their is Islam.
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And as far as his majesty King Putin, he has his hand stuck in the cookie jar with a fist full of promises and he had better come thru or the bombs will fly on Syria.




Not fucking likely.  Obama saw an out from his ill-advised remark and he jumped at it.  The administration will bend over backwards to make it appear Putin is succeeding.


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Re: As Far As Obama Speech About Syria...... [Re: Dildo Baggins] * 1
    #18844946 - 09/15/13 03:05 PM (10 years, 4 months ago)

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Obama came in, winded down the Iraq War, and brought that whole fuckup to a reasonably good ending.




That "reasonably good ending" proceeded according to a plan finalized before Obama came to office.

The Obama administration actually negotiated to allow US troops to remain past the deadline, but were rebuffed by the Iraqi's.

You're giving credit to the wrong tool.

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Iraq, U.S. to discuss extended stay for troops
Baghdad's decision comes on the same day Adm. Michael Mullen, chairman of the Joint Chiefs, visits Iraq and warns that the U.S. needs to know whether a training mission will proceed.
August 03, 2011|By Ned Parker and Raheem Salman, Los Angeles Times

   
Reporting from Baghdad — The Iraqi government agreed late Tuesday to start negotiations with U.S. officials on whether to authorize the U.S. military to remain in Iraq on a mission training Iraq's security forces after 2011.

The announcement came the same day that Adm. Michael G. Mullen, chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff, visited the country and warned that Washington needed a clear signal from Iraq about whether it would ask the American military stay on.




http://articles.latimes.com/2011/aug/03/world/la-fg-iraq-us-20110803


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Re: As Far As Obama Speech About Syria...... [Re: luvdemshrooms]
    #18845877 - 09/15/13 07:07 PM (10 years, 4 months ago)

Zap wrote:

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Libya he got people killed because he was too stupid to know that there was going to be shit going on




Now switch out Libya and insert NYC

2000 people died there because lil'bush fucked up, but NO you want O impeached because four people died in some cesspool. Bush let them into our country to kill us.

If you're counting ZAP that 20.83333 x 'NONE' more people then O 'killed'


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Re: As Far As Obama Speech About Syria...... [Re: sweeper54]
    #18845893 - 09/15/13 07:10 PM (10 years, 4 months ago)

lol I don't get how these people get voted into office when the majority of the people I know hate there guts. I just wonder what this country would be like if Ron Paul had one


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Re: As Far As Obama Speech About Syria...... [Re: sweeper54] * 1
    #18846002 - 09/15/13 07:43 PM (10 years, 4 months ago)

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sweeper54 said:
Zap wrote:

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Libya he got people killed because he was too stupid to know that there was going to be shit going on




Now switch out Libya and insert NYC

2000 people died there because lil'bush fucked up, but NO you want O impeached because four people died in some cesspool. Bush let them into our country to kill us.

If you're counting ZAP that 20.83333 x 'NONE' more people then O 'killed'




Why do you persist in spreading the lie that there was any actionable intelligence regarding 9/11 2001?  There was none.  In Benghazi, on the other hand, we had the people on the ground begging for more security and once shit started an administration that refused to commit available assets and then lied that the attack was about some video trailer.  Further, there was no functioning government of any kind in Libya and still isn't.  Do you work for OFA?


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Re: As Far As Obama Speech About Syria...... [Re: zappaisgod]
    #18848000 - 09/16/13 07:54 AM (10 years, 4 months ago)

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In Benghazi, on the other hand, we had the people on the ground begging for more security and once shit started an administration that refused to commit available assets and then lied that the attack was about some video trailer.  Further, there was no functioning government of any kind in Libya and still isn't.  Do you work for OFA?




Complete BS, first, we didn't know originally who did the attack, why is that even fucking relevant, after all after that stupid fuckin video their was protests across the entire muslim world. I don't think they lied, lied to cover what? That it was Al Qaeda? or a planned attack? You think they would know that immediately, and why after almost one year I keep hearing about this stupid trope, their is plenty of more heinous things to bang Obama on, im sure the GOP gives a tremendous fuck about the 4 americans who died and they certainly aren't trying to gain political points over a tragedy.

http://www.mcclatchydc.com/2012/11/01/173372/us-says-help-was-sent-to-benghazi.html#.UjcNcxTNjK4

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A CIA security team rushed to the U.S. consulate in Libya’s eastern city of Benghazi less than 25 minutes after receiving the first call that the mission was under attack, while a second squad was dispatched by air from the capital, Tripoli, according to a timeline released on Thursday by U.S. intelligence officials.

The timeline is the most detailed accounting to date of the U.S. response to the attack on the consulate and was released to rebut news reports that U.S. officials had delayed a rescue.

“The officials on the ground in Benghazi responded to the situation . . . as quickly and as effectively as possible,” said a senior intelligence official, speaking on condition of anonymity. “There were no orders to anybody to stand down in providing support






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Re: As Far As Obama Speech About Syria...... [Re: The_Red_Crayon]
    #18848013 - 09/16/13 07:58 AM (10 years, 4 months ago)

Why do you repeatedly lie when you say that
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we had the people on the ground begging for more security and once shit started an administration that refused to commit available assets




This is complete BS, an utter lie, made up. The intelligence agencies in the area did what they could, their were no orders to "stand down" This has been proven conclusively by many intelligence operatives in Libya.


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Re: As Far As Obama Speech About Syria...... [Re: The_Red_Crayon] * 1
    #18848345 - 09/16/13 10:07 AM (10 years, 4 months ago)

http://www.theguardian.com/world/2013/sep/09/us-consulate-benghazi-attack-challenge

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In the preceding months Stevens had cabled three times (7 June, 9 July, and 15 August) asking for more protection or that plans to draw down security be halted, according to the House oversight report. Those months had seen escalating attacks against foreign targets in the city.




Stevens was denied.  This is the part about asking for more security.

There were assets based in Italy that could have been scrambled.  Real military, not CIA agents.  In addition there is this

http://www.cnn.com/2013/05/06/politics/benghazi-whistleblower/index.html

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Specifically, Greg Hicks wondered why the military did not send a plane into Libyan airspace as a show of force, and why four U.S. Special Operations soldiers were not permitted to travel to Benghazi on a Libyan plane the morning of September 12.






Finally the lie about the movie trailer

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The committee's chairman, Rep. Darrell Issa, told CNN Monday that Hicks, who was the U.S. deputy chief of mission in Libya at the time of the attack, "is going to testify that from the get-go, he knew this was a terrorist attack and communicated that to the White House, to the State Department, to anyone that would listen before, during, and after."

Issa asserted that the Obama administration's "talking points" afterward -- specifically the statements by the U.S. ambassador to the United Nations, Susan Rice, which did not acknowledge that it was a terrorist attack, "had an effect on our diplomatic relations" with Libya and "was an unnecessary error."




This was in the middle of a Presidential campaign when the feckless cunt was taking credit for winning the war on terrorists.  Every single thing they said was a lie and we still do not knopw where Obama was when it was happening, who ordered the stand down, and who denied Syevens the security he requested.  Spit out that Obama cock.  It must be leaving a pretty shitty taste in your mouth by now since it has been so firmly planted in the American People's ass for 5 years.  Are you willfully ignorant or accidentally ignorant?


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    #18848437 - 09/16/13 10:39 AM (10 years, 4 months ago)

http://hotair.com/archives/2013/09/16/house-oversight-state-dept-obstructed-benghazi-probe/

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Just five days after the one-year anniversary of the attack on our consulate in Benghazi and the murder of a US ambassador and three other Americans, the House Oversight Committee has raised the stakes on the public debate over accountability for the collapse.  A new report from Oversight accuses the State Department of willfully obstructing the Congressional investigation into the attack and the actions of the Obama administration before, during, and after the sacking of the consulate.  As The Hill notes, the report also accuses the Accountability Review Board of obstruction and participating in a softball attempt to sweep the scandal under the proverbial rug:




Obama Clinton and Rice are some of the most egregious scumbag liars to ever hold office.  Anywhere.


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Re: As Far As Obama Speech About Syria...... [Re: zappaisgod]
    #18849344 - 09/16/13 02:07 PM (10 years, 4 months ago)

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bama Clinton and Rice are some of the most egregious scumbag liars to ever hold office.  Anywhere.




That would have to be AT LEAST second to lil'bush, Cheney the 'Black Heart' and Dumbsfeld.


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Re: As Far As Obama Speech About Syria...... [Re: sweeper54] * 1
    #18850034 - 09/16/13 04:34 PM (10 years, 4 months ago)

The o-bomb-a appologists have given up saying he is a good president, they know he isn't. So now its trying to show shrub (bush jr) as being equally bad or worse. No one is worse than obumble, history will judge him as number 1 on the worst of all time list.

Shrub added $1t to the debt? How many trillions does ofumble add every year? If you believe those fake unemployment statistics then you are probably gullible enough to vote for the retard. Here is a statistic for you, fewer people are working today as a percentage of work age people, than at any time since the great depression.


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Re: As Far As Obama Speech About Syria...... [Re: starfire_xes]
    #18851292 - 09/16/13 09:07 PM (10 years, 4 months ago)

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The 'unemployment number' now is the same as in december 2008.  However, the number of people in the workforce has dropped significantly.




So you're going to willfully ignore the fact that the day Obama was inaugerated we were losing 750k jobs per month.  Right.

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The average price of gasoline over Obamas 5 years is much higher than it was under Bush.




Domestic oil production is also at an all-time high, there is very little, if anything, a president can do to influence the global price of oil.  But of course, you're an expert here, so of course you're right.

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Obama allows prisoners to be sent to foreign countries for 'renditioning' i.e. torturing.




http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/promises/obameter/promise/176/end-the-use-of-extreme-rendition/

Do you have any proof of prisoners to be sent to third part countries to be tortured?

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Each year of Obama's presidency there have been fewer people working than during the bush years.


 

That's what happens with structural unemployment caused by financial disasters, especially in an increasingly globalized market.  Have you seen what true austerity did to Greece and Spain during the downturn? 

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A big part of the economic collapse was due to the housing bubble--created by Clinton's 'everyone gets a house' cheap money programs, and carried through by democrats.




Yeah, that isn't the reason.  Just remember who controlled the congress the last six years Clinton was president, too. 

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shuck-and-jive




:facepalm:

That is some seriously ignorant shit.  I'm surprised you aren't calling him a monkey like Ann Coulter.  Do you use the term "shuck-and-jive" around all your "black friends" who "lived the struggle?" 

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like adolph hitler,




There it is, Obama is officially Hitler :facepalm:

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To sum it up, he is a created image, with all negative information, indeed most of the information in his past hidden, who has never worked a 'real' job, who doesn't know fucking shit about economics, who doesn't know fucking shit about international relations, who is great with a scripted speech.  that's it.




:facepalm:

That is really what most of these arguments come down to, ad hominem bullshit.  Keep on keeping on starfire_xes.  Eventually you'll realize you're an "official comedy act," as Zappa likes to call people.

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By the way, he has had about a 1 trillion deficit each year he has been in office which has added about 5 trillion dollars to the national debt.  So go hump someone else's leg moron.




The deficit is falling faster than any time in history I'm pretty sure, which most serious economists admit is far too fast.  But of course, you've got Ph.Ds in multiple subjects so you are the only expert we need to consult here.  Bravo.

Not only that, but not one deficit under Obama has touched Bush's FY2009 budget deficit at 1.4bn

Also ignore the fact that the wars were never paid for, so they weren't put on the deficit, but were put on the national debt.

http://www.politifact.com/texas/statements/2012/jul/19/paul-sadler/paul-sadler-says-national-debt-doubled-under-georg/

http://hnn.us/article/31431

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What multi-trillion dollar wars?  The entire cost of Iraq and Afghanistan was slightly over a trillion dollars which is the figure the government gave away on means tested largesse in one year alone (2011).  3 out of 8 years on vacation?  What the fuck stupid babble is this?




It is expected, that by the end of both the wars and all the contractual obligations that we have due to the wars, $2tn is a low estimate of the total cost.

http://articles.washingtonpost.com/2013-03-28/world/38097452_1_iraq-price-tag-first-gulf-war-veterans

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Q: Mr. Secretary, on Iraq, how much money do you think the Department of Defense would need to pay for a war with Iraq?

Rumsfeld: Well, the Office of Management and Budget, has come up come up with a number that's something under $50 billion for the cost. How much of that would be the U.S. burden, and how much would be other countries, is an open question. I think the way to put it into perspective is that the estimates as to what September 11th cost the United States of America ranges high up into the hundreds of billions of dollars. Now, another event in the United States that was like September 11th, and which cost thousands of lives, but one that involved a -- for example, a biological weapon, would be -- have a cost in human life, as well as in billions, hundreds of billions of dollars, that would be vastly greater.




Rumsfeld claiming that $50bn was a reasonable estimate for the cost of the Iraq war :rolleyes:.  But these are your boys, right Zap?


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Re: As Far As Obama Speech About Syria...... [Re: Mush4Brains]
    #18851351 - 09/16/13 09:16 PM (10 years, 4 months ago)

When a chemical weapons ban is in place you can't just look the other way. I think some people just don't understand how painful it would be to be exposed to those chemicals.


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