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Re: NSA shares raw intelligence including Americans' data with Israel [Re: akira_akuma] * 2
    #18867015 - 09/20/13 10:20 AM (10 years, 4 months ago)

What? People should know what the fuck they are talking about before they talk about it?

Good one.


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Re: NSA shares raw intelligence including Americans' data with Israel [Re: luvdemshrooms]
    #18867144 - 09/20/13 10:59 AM (10 years, 4 months ago)

i know! weird, eh? crazy fucking flippant humans and their knownot disregard for logic.  :poke:


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    #18867292 - 09/20/13 11:35 AM (10 years, 4 months ago)

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Re: NSA shares raw intelligence including Americans' data with Israel [Re: imachavel]
    #18867339 - 09/20/13 11:49 AM (10 years, 4 months ago)

How is this relevant to Snowden and the NSA?


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Re: NSA shares raw intelligence including Americans' data with Israel [Re: Simplicitry]
    #18868824 - 09/20/13 05:46 PM (10 years, 4 months ago)

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I don't have a problem with us spying (on foreigners, and other governments that is). I don't have any love for snowden, he made his choices and now he'll live with outcome. But just to clarify, you do have a problem with the government collecting information without showing evidence to a judge to obtain a subpoena/warrant don't you? (on individuals protected by our constitution that is)


Judges are part of the government.  I have no problem with the NSA data-mining.  Reading the contents is another issue.


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Re: NSA shares raw intelligence including Americans' data with Israel [Re: BoldAsLove]
    #18871183 - 09/21/13 08:25 AM (10 years, 4 months ago)

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Snowden has lied many times.





What did he lie about?

I have not seen any statements from that I would consider lies.


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Re: NSA shares raw intelligence including Americans' data with Israel [Re: Alan Rockefeller]
    #18871644 - 09/21/13 11:12 AM (10 years, 4 months ago)

He certainly lied when he took an oath not to reveal secrets.


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Re: NSA shares raw intelligence including Americans' data with Israel [Re: Alan Rockefeller]
    #18872977 - 09/21/13 04:44 PM (10 years, 4 months ago)

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Alan Rockefeller said:
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Snowden has lied many times.





What did he lie about?

I have not seen any statements from that I would consider lies.




http://news.yahoo.com/5-ways-nsa-leaker-edward-snowdens-story-isnt-115500971.html

Here's some of them. You can argue whether or not the lies are significant or not, but they are lies.

Also, here is a quote from the Chairman of the House Permanent Select Committee on Intelligence. Take it for what you will.

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"He was lying,” said Chairman Mike Rogers, Breitbart reported. “He clearly has over-inflated his position, he has over-inflated his access and he’s even over-inflated what the actual technology of the programs would allow one to do. It’s impossible for him to do what he was saying he could do.”






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Re: NSA shares raw intelligence including Americans' data with Israel [Re: BoldAsLove]
    #18873687 - 09/21/13 08:20 PM (10 years, 4 months ago)

I read that article but disagree with the conclusion that Snowden was lying about any of the 5 things.    My rebuttal is a few posts above.


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Re: NSA shares raw intelligence including Americans' data with Israel [Re: Alan Rockefeller]
    #18875224 - 09/22/13 09:48 AM (10 years, 4 months ago)

He certainly and irrefutably lied when he took the position.


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Re: NSA shares raw intelligence including Americans' data with Israel [Re: zappaisgod]
    #18876100 - 09/22/13 02:14 PM (10 years, 4 months ago)

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zappaisgod said:
He certainly and irrefutably lied when he took the position.





As any patriotic American should, when they see a gross misuse of tax dollars.  The nsa was, and perhaps still is working against the best interests of the American people.


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Re: NSA shares raw intelligence including Americans' data with Israel [Re: Alan Rockefeller]
    #18876187 - 09/22/13 02:31 PM (10 years, 4 months ago)

The NSA lied when they took an oath to protect the constitution.

they also lied when they repeatedly denied any of this was happening prior to snowden's revelations.

hell its the NSAs JOB to lie nevermind snowden.


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Re: NSA shares raw intelligence including Americans' data with Israel [Re: Shins]
    #18876218 - 09/22/13 02:37 PM (10 years, 4 months ago)

"If you see something say something"... Unless it involves the illegal activity of powerful people.


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Re: NSA shares raw intelligence including Americans' data with Israel [Re: Alan Rockefeller]
    #18876354 - 09/22/13 03:12 PM (10 years, 4 months ago)

Quote:

Alan Rockefeller said:
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zappaisgod said:
He certainly and irrefutably lied when he took the position.





As any patriotic American should, when they see a gross misuse of tax dollars.  The nsa was, and perhaps still is working against the best interests of the American people.



That is not for either you or him to decide and I disagree with it completely.


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Re: NSA shares raw intelligence including Americans' data with Israel [Re: Shins]
    #18876361 - 09/22/13 03:16 PM (10 years, 4 months ago)

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Shins said:
The NSA lied when they took an oath to protect the constitution.

they also lied when they repeatedly denied any of this was happening prior to snowden's revelations.

hell its the NSAs JOB to lie nevermind snowden.




It is not for you to know what they are doing.  They are a spy agency.  If you know what they are doing then everybody knows what they are doing which kind of makes them utterly useless, doesn't it?  Or are you one of the dingbats who think that there should be no state secrets?  I don't recall an organization taking an oath.  How does that work, anyway?  Further they have been found to be Constitutionally allowed in spite of the bleatings of the law ignorant rabble.


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Re: NSA shares raw intelligence including Americans' data with Israel [Re: maynardjameskeenan]
    #18876364 - 09/22/13 03:16 PM (10 years, 4 months ago)

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"If you see something say something"... Unless it involves the illegal activity of powerful people.



What illegal activity?


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Re: NSA shares raw intelligence including Americans' data with Israel [Re: zappaisgod]
    #18876450 - 09/22/13 03:35 PM (10 years, 4 months ago)

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zappaisgod said:
Quote:

Shins said:
The NSA lied when they took an oath to protect the constitution.

they also lied when they repeatedly denied any of this was happening prior to snowden's revelations.

hell its the NSAs JOB to lie nevermind snowden.




It is not for you to know what they are doing.  They are a spy agency.  If you know what they are doing then everybody knows what they are doing which kind of makes them utterly useless, doesn't it?  Or are you one of the dingbats who think that there should be no state secrets?  I don't recall an organization taking an oath.  How does that work, anyway?  Further they have been found to be Constitutionally allowed in spite of the bleatings of the law ignorant rabble.




http://www.wsws.org/en/articles/2013/08/22/nsas-a22.html

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zappaisgod said:
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maynardjameskeenan said:
"If you see something say something"... Unless it involves the illegal activity of powerful people.



What illegal activity?



http://www.nytimes.com/2013/06/28/opinion/the-criminal-nsa.html?pagewanted=all&_r=0

http://articles.washingtonpost.com/2013-08-15/world/41431831_1_washington-post-national-security-agency-documents

http://www.salon.com/2013/07/01/this_man_is_still_lying_to_america/
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zappaisgod said:
Quote:

Alan Rockefeller said:
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zappaisgod said:
He certainly and irrefutably lied when he took the position.





As any patriotic American should, when they see a gross misuse of tax dollars.  The nsa was, and perhaps still is working against the best interests of the American people.



That is not for either you or him to decide and I disagree with it completely.



But it's right for you to decide..? You sound like a NSA shill by saying stuff like this, why do you protect these people?


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Re: NSA shares raw intelligence including Americans' data with Israel [Re: maynardjameskeenan] * 1
    #18876619 - 09/22/13 04:12 PM (10 years, 4 months ago)

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maynardjameskeenan said:
Quote:

zappaisgod said:
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Shins said:
The NSA lied when they took an oath to protect the constitution.

they also lied when they repeatedly denied any of this was happening prior to snowden's revelations.

hell its the NSAs JOB to lie nevermind snowden.




It is not for you to know what they are doing.  They are a spy agency.  If you know what they are doing then everybody knows what they are doing which kind of makes them utterly useless, doesn't it?  Or are you one of the dingbats who think that there should be no state secrets?  I don't recall an organization taking an oath.  How does that work, anyway?  Further they have been found to be Constitutionally allowed in spite of the bleatings of the law ignorant rabble.




http://www.wsws.org/en/articles/2013/08/22/nsas-a22.html




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In one of the documents, a heavily blacked-out 86-page 2011 secret court opinion released Wednesday that declared NSA activities to be unconstitutional, US District Judge John Bates wrote that on three occasions within a three-year period, the state “disclosed a substantial misrepresentation regarding the scope of a major collection program.”





Spare me the World socialist web site
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zappaisgod said:
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maynardjameskeenan said:
"If you see something say something"... Unless it involves the illegal activity of powerful people.



What illegal activity?



http://www.nytimes.com/2013/06/28/opinion/the-criminal-nsa.html?pagewanted=all&_r=0




Op ed, not news.  Federal judges have decide that their opinion is false
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http://articles.washingtonpost.com/2013-08-15/world/41431831_1_washington-post-national-security-agency-documents




I have no expectation that they will be perfect.  Can you poit to one single prosecution that has resulted from this?
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http://www.salon.com/2013/07/01/this_man_is_still_lying_to_america/






The only people James Clapper needs to tell the truth to is the President, the intelligence committees and the FISA Court.  They're fucking spies.  Are you so daft that you think there should be no state secrets at all?  He shouldn't even be asked this shit in open session.
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zappaisgod said:
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Alan Rockefeller said:
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zappaisgod said:
He certainly and irrefutably lied when he took the position.





As any patriotic American should, when they see a gross misuse of tax dollars.  The nsa was, and perhaps still is working against the best interests of the American people.



That is not for either you or him to decide and I disagree with it completely.



But it's right for you to decide..? You sound like a NSA shill by saying stuff like this, why do you protect these people?




I didn't make any decision to keep things secret.  The duly elected representatives of the people of the United States of America did.  Who the fuck do you think you are to decide what should or should not be secret.  Who elected you?  Who elected Snowden?  Or are you one of those drooling mouthbreathers who thinks there should be no secrets at all.


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Re: NSA shares raw intelligence including Americans' data with Israel [Re: Alan Rockefeller] * 1
    #18878112 - 09/22/13 09:42 PM (10 years, 4 months ago)

Well, obviously we cant have everyone exposing state secrets because of their perceived moral convictions. We do need a level of security, my problem is not with Snowden, its the fact that their is hundreds of thousands of people just like Snowden who may do nasty things with their info, also the responsibility is through the contractor, in this case Booz Allen, who were acquired by The Carlysle group, another shadowy private equity firm with their fingers in all sorts of no-bid government contracts.

Snowden, what ever you think of him, I think its ironic that he drops bombs on Obama over surveillance and all these secrets, yet he seeks asylum in a country thats a egregious violator of human rights

examples like the notorious Anti-Gay laws that's are being passed, a country that has fought 3 wars in Chechnya, one in Dagestan, invaded S. Ossetia, and backs a tyrant in Chechnya named Ramzan Kadyrov
Who is a major kleptocratic asshole who sports a fleet of Lamborghini's


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Kadyrov is a noted collector of sports cars. He owns a Lamborghini Reventón, one of only 20 made.[60][61] He is also known for his extensive collection of Chechen daggers.[62][63] On 5 October 2011, he celebrated his 35th birthday in a lavish fashion in the presence of several Hollywood stars, including the actor Jean-Claude Van Damme and the actress Hilary Swank as well as British violinist Vanessa-Mae, singer Seal and many others.[64] When asked where the money for the live-televised celebration were coming from, he reportedly laughed and said "Allah gives it to us", before adding: "I don't know, it comes from somewhere".[65]




http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ramzan_Kadyrov
This guy is bad news. Why flee to a country who is more of a police state then the USA, like Russia gives a shit about Snowden, he's just a pawn to them, and if giving his ass up to the US would benefit them, they would do it, but right now they are thumbing their nose at us, and Snowden is a clear indication of that, a Pawn of Putin. huh that's got a ring to it.


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Re: NSA shares raw intelligence including Americans' data with Israel [Re: zappaisgod]
    #18879513 - 09/23/13 07:49 AM (10 years, 4 months ago)

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hell its the NSAs JOB to lie nevermind snowden.

The only people James Clapper needs to tell the truth to is the President, the intelligence committees and the FISA Court.  They're fucking spies.  Are you so daft that you think there should be no state secrets at all?crets at all.




Since when is it the nsa's job to lie?    If I read the law that created the nsa, will it say that?

What law says that they are allowed to lie to congress?    Does the law that makes it illegal to lie to congress have an exception for the nsa?  Clapper should have refused to answer the question if he wanted to stay on the right side of the law.


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