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NSA shares raw intelligence including Americans' data with Israel
    #18827933 - 09/11/13 02:02 PM (10 years, 4 months ago)



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Re: NSA shares raw intelligence including Americans' data with Israel [Re: maynardjameskeenan] * 2
    #18827959 - 09/11/13 02:11 PM (10 years, 4 months ago)

My thought is you should read forum rule 3 before a mod locks your thread.


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Re: NSA shares raw intelligence including Americans' data with Israel [Re: luvdemshrooms]
    #18827965 - 09/11/13 02:12 PM (10 years, 4 months ago)

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My thought is you should read forum rule 3 before a mod locks your thread.



Thanks, this is the first time I've posted in the forum.

"3) Threads consisting of nothing more than a link, quote, or a video with no commentary or discussion from the threadstarter will be locked."

Okay so to stop this from being lock I need to post more then a link?

Do I need to edit the OP or can I add it to this post?




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Re: NSA shares raw intelligence including Americans' data with Israel [Re: maynardjameskeenan]
    #18827967 - 09/11/13 02:14 PM (10 years, 4 months ago)

No problem. They just want thread starters to get the ball rolling.


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Re: NSA shares raw intelligence including Americans' data with Israel [Re: luvdemshrooms]
    #18828008 - 09/11/13 02:24 PM (10 years, 4 months ago)

I wonder if it's just a coincidence that they decided to released these leaks on the anniversary of 9/11, they have (The Guardian) had this information for a few months now.


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Re: NSA shares raw intelligence including Americans' data with Israel [Re: maynardjameskeenan]
    #18828021 - 09/11/13 02:27 PM (10 years, 4 months ago)

So?


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Re: NSA shares raw intelligence including Americans' data with Israel [Re: zappaisgod]
    #18828027 - 09/11/13 02:27 PM (10 years, 4 months ago)

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Re: NSA shares raw intelligence including Americans' data with Israel [Re: zappaisgod]
    #18828034 - 09/11/13 02:29 PM (10 years, 4 months ago)

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Re: NSA shares raw intelligence including Americans' data with Israel [Re: The_Red_Crayon]
    #18828098 - 09/11/13 02:41 PM (10 years, 4 months ago)

This doesn't bother anyone?
Not only are you being spied on but the government hands over all your raw private data to a foreign nation.

"Notably, a much stricter rule was set for US government communications found in the raw intelligence. The Israelis were required to "destroy upon recognition" any communication "that is either to or from an official of the US government". Such communications included those of "officials of the executive branch (including the White House, cabinet departments, and independent agencies), the US House of Representatives and Senate (member and staff) and the US federal court system (including, but not limited to, the supreme court)".

This is on an honor system with no over-site from the US.

Why is it okay from them to basically spy on US citizens but not the government?


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Re: NSA shares raw intelligence including Americans' data with Israel [Re: maynardjameskeenan]
    #18828154 - 09/11/13 02:51 PM (10 years, 4 months ago)

What would Israel or the United States government want to do with a pot smoking 20-something who isn't overtly politically active?


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Re: NSA shares raw intelligence including Americans' data with Israel [Re: Mush4Brains]
    #18828190 - 09/11/13 02:58 PM (10 years, 4 months ago)

Well if they keep your data permanently, I would guess you wont always be a "pot smoking 20-something who isn't overtly politically active".
If you ever cause to much of a stir (try to challenge the power structure) they could use that data to blackmail or discredit you. We all have things we need to hide, how would you feel if someone was looking over your shoulder every time you picked up an electronic device?


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Re: NSA shares raw intelligence including Americans' data with Israel [Re: maynardjameskeenan] * 1
    #18828386 - 09/11/13 03:38 PM (10 years, 4 months ago)

LOL.  What do you suppose anybody could do with the entire trove of private data of everybody?  The sheer volume would bury them.


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Re: NSA shares raw intelligence including Americans' data with Israel [Re: zappaisgod]
    #18828491 - 09/11/13 04:02 PM (10 years, 4 months ago)

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LOL.  What do you suppose anybody could do with the entire trove of private data of everybody?  The sheer volume would bury them.



http://www.theguardian.com/world/2013/jul/31/nsa-top-secret-program-online-data


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Re: NSA shares raw intelligence including Americans' data with Israel [Re: maynardjameskeenan]
    #18828878 - 09/11/13 05:18 PM (10 years, 4 months ago)

Yeah and then what?  Do you not understand that huge a pile of data is incomprehensible.


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Re: NSA shares raw intelligence including Americans' data with Israel [Re: zappaisgod]
    #18828991 - 09/11/13 05:42 PM (10 years, 4 months ago)

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Yeah and then what?  Do you not understand that huge a pile of data is incomprehensible.



Algorithms + fastest computers on the planet.

http://www.dailydot.com/news/nsa-utah-data-center-capacity-surveillance-storage/

http://nsa.gov1.info/utah-data-center/

http://www.npr.org/2013/06/10/190160772/amid-data-controversy-nsa-builds-its-biggest-data-farm

They aren't building a $2,000,000,000 data center this for nothing.


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Re: NSA shares raw intelligence including Americans' data with Israel [Re: maynardjameskeenan]
    #18829105 - 09/11/13 06:11 PM (10 years, 4 months ago)

I don't want to break your heart but at some point a person has to read the data.


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Re: NSA shares raw intelligence including Americans' data with Israel [Re: zappaisgod]
    #18829154 - 09/11/13 06:22 PM (10 years, 4 months ago)

They have computer programs to read the data old man, this is obviously beyond your generations technological unferstanding.  Search bots can sift through the data and compile things of interest.  A user could also input search parameters to look up particular things.


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Re: NSA shares raw intelligence including Americans' data with Israel [Re: zappaisgod] * 1
    #18829158 - 09/11/13 06:23 PM (10 years, 4 months ago)

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I don't want to break your heart




Quote:

zappaisgod said:
So?




Quote:

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LOL.




Whats the deal man?
Have I offended you in some way?

I came here for a discussion not playground banter,
I realize now this isn't the place to find what I was after.

I would like to discuses the topic at hand but not if this continues.


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Re: NSA shares raw intelligence including Americans' data with Israel [Re: Shins]
    #18829196 - 09/11/13 06:31 PM (10 years, 4 months ago)

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They have computer programs to read the data old man, this is obviously beyond your generations technological unferstanding.  Search bots can sift through the data and compile things of interest.  A user could also input search parameters to look up particular things.



So?  At some point a human has to read the shit.


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Re: NSA shares raw intelligence including Americans' data with Israel [Re: zappaisgod]
    #18829252 - 09/11/13 06:43 PM (10 years, 4 months ago)

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Quote:

Shins said:
They have computer programs to read the data old man, this is obviously beyond your generations technological unferstanding.  Search bots can sift through the data and compile things of interest.  A user could also input search parameters to look up particular things.



So?  At some point a human has to read the shit.




I don't understand your point, zappa. The computers can sift through the interesting data surprisingly quickly and compile it in much easier to read forms. The people at the NSA definitely have the capacity to read and understand this data, otherwise, they wouldn't be collecting it. I don't see why Israel wouldn't be able to do the same.


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