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First flush pics and questions about it
    #18827452 - 09/11/13 11:57 AM (10 years, 4 months ago)

Well needless to say, I'm happy as a mushroom in manure!

I have a few questions on the attached pics. These are all Hauatlas, notice the small black capped ones that are pointy? Aborts through and through I think, right?  I'm going to let the other guys grow to a medium size as I noticed these ones get HUGE before veil break and I'm not doing prints or looking for maxium growth; I'm looking for maxium PUNCH.

The other question other than aborts is about lighting. I'm noticing all the growth on one sode of the cakes. See where my lights are? Could it be like the other side of the cakes is the "dark side"?

I'm not looking for any thoughts on how big my flush is or how I should have done x,y and z different guys. This was my first grow ever and I'm happy, let me stay that way lol.



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Re: First flush pics and questions about it [Re: PauliePaul]
    #18827462 - 09/11/13 11:59 AM (10 years, 4 months ago)

You see all that ariel mycelium?
Get more FAE.. And why don't you have any holes in your SGFC?


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Re: First flush pics and questions about it [Re: Nice Ol Bud]
    #18827471 - 09/11/13 12:02 PM (10 years, 4 months ago)

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You see all that ariel mycelium?
Get more FAE.. And why don't you have any holes in your SGFC?




I have one hole for a fishtank air pump set on 2x a day 45 minutes. They seemed to be growing fine. Will more FAE create more growth? And no offense, but your account is brand new, how much experience do you have?


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Re: First flush pics and questions about it [Re: PauliePaul]
    #18827495 - 09/11/13 12:07 PM (10 years, 4 months ago)

I submit evidence that my current FAE seems to be working fine. This image is a combo of three pics taken in 48 hours. If more FAE will spawn growth I'm all for it, I just don't want any problems at this stage.



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Re: First flush pics and questions about it [Re: PauliePaul]
    #18827497 - 09/11/13 12:08 PM (10 years, 4 months ago)

I would not be giving you advice about a certain Tek
if I didn't have it under my belt.

Also yes more FAE will promote more growth if humidity is maintained.


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Re: First flush pics and questions about it [Re: Nice Ol Bud]
    #18827519 - 09/11/13 12:14 PM (10 years, 4 months ago)

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I would not be giving you advice about a certain Tek
if I didn't have it under my belt.

Also yes more FAE will promote more growth if humidity is maintained.





Right right, I'm not trying to discredit you directly. I have seen several posts on here with Tek that is just plain wrong, like dead wrong. So I'm cautious. I'll jack up the airpump to 4x daily with 2 at 45 and 2 and 30.


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Re: First flush pics and questions about it [Re: PauliePaul]
    #18827527 - 09/11/13 12:16 PM (10 years, 4 months ago)

No it's all good.
Definitely not trying to spread false information and you are only trying to protect yourself. It's all good :smile:
Just with this new schedule make sure the humidity stays intact. :smile:


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Re: First flush pics and questions about it [Re: PauliePaul]
    #18827531 - 09/11/13 12:17 PM (10 years, 4 months ago)

Why not get rid of the air pump all together and make a SGFC which has been already proven over and over and over again to work better than any sort of automatic humidification setup ever.

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I have seen several posts on here with Tek that is just plain wrong, like dead wrong. So I'm cautious.




Are you talking about the SGFC tek? links?


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Re: First flush pics and questions about it [Re: bodhisatta]
    #18827548 - 09/11/13 12:22 PM (10 years, 4 months ago)

The very tiny amount of heat from those lights is probably causing air movement and evaporation, extra fresh air exchange as well as light. The backs are exposed to a more stagnate environment.


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Re: First flush pics and questions about it [Re: Smeagol]
    #18827556 - 09/11/13 12:25 PM (10 years, 4 months ago)

The lights look like LED bulbs but either way the whole cakes are exposed to over-engineered conditions


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Re: First flush pics and questions about it [Re: Smeagol]
    #18827557 - 09/11/13 12:25 PM (10 years, 4 months ago)

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The very tiny amount of heat from those lights is probably causing air movement and evaporation, extra fresh air exchange as well as light. The backs are exposed to a more stagnate environment.




No he needs more FAE..
Those lights are glue on's...


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Re: First flush pics and questions about it [Re: Nice Ol Bud]
    #18827572 - 09/11/13 12:28 PM (10 years, 4 months ago)

It doesn't matter if they are glue ons or LED they create heat and will cause more air circulation. FAE was the wrong choice of words. He wants to known why all the shrooms are growing by the lights. Theres more air movement.

Edit im not saying they will be hot or even warm but just as myc generates heat so will those l ights. From reading around he needs to mist as the humidity guage is reading in the 70's & fan more for fae.

He wants to know why they are growing where they are growing.


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Re: First flush pics and questions about it [Re: Smeagol]
    #18827608 - 09/11/13 12:35 PM (10 years, 4 months ago)

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It doesn't matter if they are glue ons or LED they create heat and will cause more air circulation. FAE was the wrong choice of words. He wants to known why all the shrooms are growing by the lights. Theres more air movement.

Edit im not saying they will be hot or even warm but just as myc generates heat so will those l ights. From reading around he needs to mist as the humidity guage is reading in the 70's & fan more for fae.

He wants to know why they are growing where they are growing.




EXACTLY! THANK YOU!


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Re: First flush pics and questions about it [Re: PauliePaul]
    #18827631 - 09/11/13 12:40 PM (10 years, 4 months ago)

You still need more FAE dude...
You've got ariel mycelium.
If you don't want my advice cause of my posts...
good luck then..


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Re: First flush pics and questions about it [Re: Smeagol]
    #18827639 - 09/11/13 12:42 PM (10 years, 4 months ago)

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It doesn't matter if they are glue ons or LED they create heat and will cause more air circulation. FAE was the wrong choice of words. He wants to known why all the shrooms are growing by the lights. Theres more air movement.

Edit im not saying they will be hot or even warm but just as myc generates heat so will those l ights. From reading around he needs to mist as the humidity guage is reading in the 70's & fan more for fae.

He wants to know why they are growing where they are growing.





My assumtion is better light placement then will correct the one side grow. I'm nervous about misting and the hunidity is usually 77-80 that was after a photoshoot so it dropped substantally.


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Re: First flush pics and questions about it [Re: PauliePaul]
    #18827688 - 09/11/13 12:55 PM (10 years, 4 months ago)

I would be more nervous about not misting? What has made you that nervous to do the time tested researched way?


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Re: First flush pics and questions about it [Re: bodhisatta]
    #18827691 - 09/11/13 12:56 PM (10 years, 4 months ago)

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Why not get rid of the air pump all together and make a SGFC which has been already proven over and over and over again to work better than any sort of automatic humidification setup ever.





i second that. you want to follow tek that been used for years. shotgun terrarium works best and no pumps needed. also i prefer you to use 65k energy saving or gas lamp.
pf tek is the best way to learn how to grow mushies and if you want to lear this hobby you should follow tek.. start small and after that go big :super:


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Re: First flush pics and questions about it [Re: PFFFT]
    #18827712 - 09/11/13 01:02 PM (10 years, 4 months ago)

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i second that. you want to follow tek that been used for years. shotgun terrarium works best and no pumps needed. also i prefer you to use 65k energy saving or gas lamp.
pf tek is the best way to learn how to grow mushies and if you want to lear this hobby you should follow tek.. start small and after that go big :super:




Well said, but I'm afraid advice isn't what his ego needed. It seems to be that it's better to grow less than you could have for cheaper with pride. Maybe he has investors coming over and a SGFC doesn't look tech enough :shrug:

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I'm not looking for any thoughts on how big my flush is or how I should have done x,y and z different guys. This was my first grow ever and I'm happy, let me stay that way lol.




So you know you're doing it wrong? If you knew your were going to build a proper terrarium next time then just say that?


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Re: First flush pics and questions about it [Re: bodhisatta]
    #18827720 - 09/11/13 01:04 PM (10 years, 4 months ago)

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I would be more nervous about not misting? What has made you that nervous to do the time tested researched way?




I guess I just didn't know enough about it. I just read a few forums and will get on it ASAP. I guess my thought was contam in just plain ol tap water


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Re: First flush pics and questions about it [Re: PFFFT]
    #18827734 - 09/11/13 01:09 PM (10 years, 4 months ago)

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Why not get rid of the air pump all together and make a SGFC which has been already proven over and over and over again to work better than any sort of automatic humidification setup ever.





i second that. you want to follow tek that been used for years. shotgun terrarium works best and no pumps needed. also i prefer you to use 65k energy saving or gas lamp.
pf tek is the best way to learn how to grow mushies and if you want to lear this hobby you should follow tek.. start small and after that go big :super:




I read the pf tek and the shotgun terr setup confused me a bit so I went with a premade package deal just to see if I could even accomplish growing in the first place. I'm all about advise and help but my simplest of questions was why they were growing on one side only. I do appreciate the help though and will double check the shotgun setup next time.


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Re: First flush pics and questions about it [Re: PauliePaul]
    #18827738 - 09/11/13 01:10 PM (10 years, 4 months ago)

Plain old tap water is way cleaner than birthing a cake and fruiting it in open air or even touching it with iso cleaned gloves. Your cakes are contam resistant otherwise we would always have to try to fruit in-vitro


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Re: First flush pics and questions about it [Re: bodhisatta]
    #18827779 - 09/11/13 01:20 PM (10 years, 4 months ago)

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i second that. you want to follow tek that been used for years. shotgun terrarium works best and no pumps needed. also i prefer you to use 65k energy saving or gas lamp.
pf tek is the best way to learn how to grow mushies and if you want to lear this hobby you should follow tek.. start small and after that go big :super:




Well said, but I'm afraid advice isn't what his ego needed. It seems to be that it's better to grow less than you could have for cheaper with pride. Maybe he has investors coming over and a SGFC doesn't look tech enough :shrug:

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I'm not looking for any thoughts on how big my flush is or how I should have done x,y and z different guys. This was my first grow ever and I'm happy, let me stay that way lol.




So you know you're doing it wrong? If you knew your were going to build a proper terrarium next time then just say that?





Thanks for being condescending. That helped me a whole lot. (Smh)

I don't think I did anything "wrong" clearly I got results. Might I add, again, this was my first attempt ever. I took a route, went with it and it worked. I appreciate advice but my questions were:

Aborts and why are they all growing on one side.

Which, not surprising no one seemed to answer right off the bat. Instead all I got was criticism and "this is what you did wrong". Thankfully at least one person answered my original question about the one sided growth.

How Bout we focus on answering questions people ask instead of being over bearing "experts" all the time.


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Re: First flush pics and questions about it [Re: bodhisatta]
    #18827783 - 09/11/13 01:20 PM (10 years, 4 months ago)

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Plain old tap water is way cleaner than birthing a cake and fruiting it in open air or even touching it with iso cleaned gloves. Your cakes are contam resistant otherwise we would always have to try to fruit in-vitro




Gotcha! Cool I will mist when I get home, thanks!


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Re: First flush pics and questions about it [Re: PauliePaul]
    #18828532 - 09/11/13 04:14 PM (10 years, 4 months ago)

Well I misted them, fanned them, and now I have a blue hue at the bottom lol. Anyone? I think its a good thing maybe?



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Re: First flush pics and questions about it [Re: PauliePaul]
    #18828544 - 09/11/13 04:17 PM (10 years, 4 months ago)

Usually that's from bruising.. did you spray them directly with the bottle?


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Re: First flush pics and questions about it [Re: Nice Ol Bud]
    #18828619 - 09/11/13 04:30 PM (10 years, 4 months ago)

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Usually that's from bruising.. did you spray them directly with the bottle?




I sort of stood back and sprayed from about 1 1/2 feet away. Granted the water bottle seemed a bit harsh with its spray. I'm assuming this isn't a game changer.


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Re: First flush pics and questions about it [Re: PauliePaul]
    #18828752 - 09/11/13 04:58 PM (10 years, 4 months ago)

you know.... after reading though this i wanna let you know you really put down some advice that would have SIGNIFICANTLY improved the hobby you have undertaken. If a tek confuses you, re read it.

i would REALLY recommend a shotgun chamber man.

hey and next time you can even put two cakes on top of each other after your dunk and roll and increase your yield. lots of little tips like this you can get from people.

i realize no one wants to be told they did something wrong but.... it would have made a huge difference man...


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Re: First flush pics and questions about it [Re: MR.Merlin]
    #18828775 - 09/11/13 05:01 PM (10 years, 4 months ago)

oh and for the love of god used distilled water.

time and time again you will find it improves over all quality and health of your cakes from inoculation to dunk and roll.

i mean if you have access to the best materials why not use em =D

( i have read and have also noticed my cakes flush better if misted with it opposed to tap and they dont contam as fast) usually


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Re: First flush pics and questions about it [Re: MR.Merlin]
    #18828786 - 09/11/13 05:04 PM (10 years, 4 months ago)

Where would you get.. cheap.. bulk.. distilled water?


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Re: First flush pics and questions about it [Re: MR.Merlin]
    #18828905 - 09/11/13 05:21 PM (10 years, 4 months ago)

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you know.... after reading though this i wanna let you know you really put down some advice that would have SIGNIFICANTLY improved the hobby you have undertaken. If a tek confuses you, re read it.

i would REALLY recommend a shotgun chamber man.

hey and next time you can even put two cakes on top of each other after your dunk and roll and increase your yield. lots of little tips like this you can get from people.

i realize no one wants to be told they did something wrong but.... it would have made a huge difference man...




I second this.

Follow the sgfc tek to a T and you can achieve pin sets like this..or even better.



I realize you are stoked about your results and you should be. But the ego needs to be toned down.

I have a feeling those mushrooms will soften that hard head of yours :wink:


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    #18828922 - 09/11/13 05:25 PM (10 years, 4 months ago)

Nice little pinset you got going.
How much on average you pull from a regular cake and MS syringe?


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Re: First flush pics and questions about it [Re: Nice Ol Bud]
    #18828972 - 09/11/13 05:37 PM (10 years, 4 months ago)

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Nice little pinset you got going.
How much on average you pull from a regular cake and MS syringe?




Thanks man!

This is actually my first grow :p. Ecuador's and B+.

Hoping to get around a quarter first flush off that cake. That pic was almost twelve hours ago. Heres a couple more from just now of my best cakes.



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Re: First flush pics and questions about it [Re: heratogwea]
    #18828989 - 09/11/13 05:42 PM (10 years, 4 months ago)

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I second this.

Follow the sgfc tek to a T and you can achieve pin sets like this..or even better.



I realize you are stoked about your results and you should be. But the ego needs to be toned down.

I have a feeling those mushrooms will soften that hard head of yours :wink:




A proper SGFC can yield a pinset like this from a MS injection but everything else has to be right too.



Those are just golden teachers or B+ MS syringe. Each of these tall half pint cakes (not wide mouth)

That blue tint is bruising just handle the cakes gently and get a good misting bottle. It could be the cakes are too try or too soggy too but that's something only experience will help you with maybe someone else could chime in who's seen more cakes that have bruised than I have.

Distilled water is good I never used it but I'll even give it a try for my next grows just to see what it does for me but for what it's worth tap water works well for most people too.


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Re: First flush pics and questions about it [Re: bodhisatta]
    #18829020 - 09/11/13 05:50 PM (10 years, 4 months ago)

Damn dude those are some heavy cakes!


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Re: First flush pics and questions about it [Re: bodhisatta]
    #18829021 - 09/11/13 05:50 PM (10 years, 4 months ago)

I don't see any blueing on my cakes. I don't handle them and I do have a proper mister.

Also note I said pin sets like this...or "BETTER"


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Re: First flush pics and questions about it [Re: PauliePaul]
    #18830828 - 09/12/13 12:27 AM (10 years, 4 months ago)

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I read the pf tek and the shotgun terr setup confused me a bit so I went with a premade package deal just to see if I could even accomplish growing in the first place. I'm all about advise and help but my simplest of questions was why they were growing on one side only. I do appreciate the help though and will double check the shotgun setup next time.




they're growing on side , bottom etc. because humidity collects only on one side of cake.mostly cakes fruiting on bottom and it is a cause of not well misting. you should use good ol' water sprayer,man. and it would be better if it would spray as small drops of water as possible.

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use the search function. it helps ALOT. :awegrow:


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