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OfflineAlmond Flour
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Any REAL reason to buy a mac? * 1
    #18827373 - 09/11/13 11:35 AM (10 years, 4 months ago)

Is there any real reason to buy a mac this day in age? Aside from....

-Being a tool
-Being a hipster
-Buying a machine that requires expensive software to run microsoft programs you need anyway
-wasting a ton of money
-Having a sexy "LOOKING" laptop

etc. etc.


Anyone else feeling me on this one? :strokebeard: I think it says allot about a person who buys a mac and it certainty isnt "Innovative" :morningtoke:


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Re: Any REAL reason to buy a mac? [Re: Almond Flour] * 16
    #18827377 - 09/11/13 11:36 AM (10 years, 4 months ago)

:lol:

You're like a walking cliche of hate.


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Re: Any REAL reason to buy a mac? [Re: Almond Flour] * 4
    #18827382 - 09/11/13 11:37 AM (10 years, 4 months ago)

macs rule, haters drool

this is known to those with open eyes :Trollface:


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Re: Any REAL reason to buy a mac? [Re: Almond Flour]
    #18827389 - 09/11/13 11:40 AM (10 years, 4 months ago)

They're definitely pricey, but I wouldn't mind having one.


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Re: Any REAL reason to buy a mac? [Re: brokentv]
    #18827413 - 09/11/13 11:45 AM (10 years, 4 months ago)

In 2009 my major required having a Macbook Pro for graphic arts. I ended up buying, still using, it and not dealing with any of the corruption that my PCs have gone through. For four years it's been a trusty computer that is very portable and a great thing for running music programs. Along with this, it plays the games I'm interested in quite well.

Yeah, if I went on a hunt and built my own PC for the same amount of money I could probably have a computer that ran high end programs faster but then I would be in the PC world also. I like my Mac because it is easy and straight forward.


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Re: Any REAL reason to buy a mac? [Re: Snotfish] * 1
    #18827433 - 09/11/13 11:51 AM (10 years, 4 months ago)

Apple software is cheaper and easier to use than the Microsoft equivalents.


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Re: Any REAL reason to buy a mac? [Re: Snotfish]
    #18827441 - 09/11/13 11:53 AM (10 years, 4 months ago)

Apple's products are quality, they design their software specifically for their hardware which results in a seamless interface and great experience.
Im not dissing microsoft or anything but apple knows what their doing.
I'm guessing you don't have one? Or you wouldn't be asking such silly question ay?


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Re: Any REAL reason to buy a mac? [Re: Almond Flour]
    #18827476 - 09/11/13 12:03 PM (10 years, 4 months ago)

Quote:

Almond Flour said:
Is there any real reason to buy a mac this day in age?




Yeah for sure, if you're into making music or art you should definitely have a mac.


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Re: Any REAL reason to buy a mac? [Re: muistrue]
    #18827486 - 09/11/13 12:05 PM (10 years, 4 months ago)

Naw man, graphic design companies etc just buy them to look cool to their friends.


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Re: Any REAL reason to buy a mac? [Re: psi]
    #18827518 - 09/11/13 12:14 PM (10 years, 4 months ago)

Unless you are going to dual boot it its just fancy hardware


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Re: Any REAL reason to buy a mac? [Re: Legend]
    #18827524 - 09/11/13 12:15 PM (10 years, 4 months ago)

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Legend said:
Unless you are going to dual boot it its just fancy hardware




explain, pls?


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Re: Any REAL reason to buy a mac? [Re: Legend]
    #18827525 - 09/11/13 12:15 PM (10 years, 4 months ago)

They do make some pro quality stuff. I have no reason to buy one personally though.


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Re: Any REAL reason to buy a mac? [Re: psi]
    #18827529 - 09/11/13 12:16 PM (10 years, 4 months ago)

Gooooooooooooooo Linux!!!


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Re: Any REAL reason to buy a mac? [Re: psi]
    #18827533 - 09/11/13 12:17 PM (10 years, 4 months ago)

no viruses on osx, can also instal windows on mac using bootcamp HD partitioning


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Re: Any REAL reason to buy a mac? [Re: muistrue] * 2
    #18827574 - 09/11/13 12:29 PM (10 years, 4 months ago)

Quote:

muistrue said:
Quote:

Almond Flour said:
Is there any real reason to buy a mac this day in age?




Yeah for sure, if you're into making music or art you should definitely have a mac.



Fuck that.. Logic Pro is a good DAW, but so are FL Studio&Cubase :shrug:

It's really not about the tools, but how you use them IMO.

I've been studying Logic for about a year, made some tracks with it, and while it's great, I really like FL Studio/Cubase more(but that's just me)

What I'm trying to say, is that by no means is it necessary to get a mac for making great music..


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Re: Any REAL reason to buy a mac? [Re: Me_Roy] * 1
    #18827579 - 09/11/13 12:29 PM (10 years, 4 months ago)

Quote:

Me_Roy said:
Quote:

Legend said:
Unless you are going to dual boot it its just fancy hardware




explain, pls?




Apples Linux based software is only compatible with certain programs

So you'll have to dual boot it with windows for many programs or games

Apple is set up to be simplistic for the folks who don't kno much about computers

But it's very versatile, I recommend their hardware If you're down to tweak your machine a bit


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Re: Any REAL reason to buy a mac? [Re: Envix]
    #18827588 - 09/11/13 12:30 PM (10 years, 4 months ago)

Not true, theres viruses. Just because its a different operating system doesnt mean the language doesnt allow for the creation of malicious programs.


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Re: Any REAL reason to buy a mac? [Re: Legend]
    #18827589 - 09/11/13 12:31 PM (10 years, 4 months ago)



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Re: Any REAL reason to buy a mac? [Re: Versicolor]
    #18827600 - 09/11/13 12:33 PM (10 years, 4 months ago)

POW right in the kisser....

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Re: Any REAL reason to buy a mac? [Re: Shortknight]
    #18827609 - 09/11/13 12:35 PM (10 years, 4 months ago)

you can mos def get viruses, but it is linux based so i mean i guess that makes it a bit better as far as viruses go.


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Re: Any REAL reason to buy a mac? [Re: Bodhi of Ankou]
    #18827615 - 09/11/13 12:36 PM (10 years, 4 months ago)

Quote:

Bodhi of Ankou said:
Not true, theres viruses. Just because its a different operating system doesnt mean the language doesnt allow for the creation of malicious programs.




I think it's mostly just that fewer writers of malware want to bother with them, since the pool of potential targets is so much smaller than with Windows.


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Re: Any REAL reason to buy a mac? [Re: Legend]
    #18827630 - 09/11/13 12:40 PM (10 years, 4 months ago)

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Legend said:
you can mos def get viruses, but it is linux based so i mean i guess that makes it a bit better as far as viruses go.




Unix based and that's not what protects it. The extreme popularity of windows means they get the most viruses mac is not as popular although there getting so more and more and in that rise in popularity they have also seen a rise in viruses. There just not so common yet. Linux is easily as functional as mac but because its so unpopular and there are so many different distributions viruses for Linux are extremely uncommon.


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Re: Any REAL reason to buy a mac? [Re: Versicolor]
    #18827632 - 09/11/13 12:40 PM (10 years, 4 months ago)

A good friend is all about Apple products.  A fanboy as it were.  I've had plenty of exposure to them and I can say that I am very much glad I have my PC and Android phone, and I won't be switching any time soon.

Next step for myself is a Linux PC but I still need to figure out a few things and haven't really bothered to take the time.  For one, I can't get PotPlayer on Linux so that's my big hangup right now.  It doesn't help that I don't have a Windows installation disc in case I wanna go back or run it in a VM either.


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Re: Any REAL reason to buy a mac? [Re: NotTheDevil]
    #18827642 - 09/11/13 12:43 PM (10 years, 4 months ago)

You can dual boot with linux really easily so you don't have to get rid of windows.


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Re: Any REAL reason to buy a mac? [Re: NotTheDevil]
    #18827649 - 09/11/13 12:44 PM (10 years, 4 months ago)

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NotTheDevil said:
Quote:

Legend said:
you can mos def get viruses, but it is linux based so i mean i guess that makes it a bit better as far as viruses go.




Unix based and that's not what protects it. The extreme popularity of windows means they get the most viruses mac is not as popular although there getting so more and more and in that rise in popularity they have also seen a rise in viruses. There just not so common yet. Linux is easily as functional as mac but because its so unpopular and there are so many different distributions viruses for Linux are extremely uncommon.




my bad, im not a computer genius or anything, just know some basics.

just for the record, i have a mac, and i used to have a dual booted mac with both linux, and windows. and on my non-dual mac, i have in fact gotten viruses before.


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Re: Any REAL reason to buy a mac? [Re: Legend]
    #18827697 - 09/11/13 12:57 PM (10 years, 4 months ago)

What is the point of dual booting OS X with Linux?


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Re: Any REAL reason to buy a mac? [Re: jewunit]
    #18827715 - 09/11/13 01:02 PM (10 years, 4 months ago)

because you can


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Re: Any REAL reason to buy a mac? [Re: jewunit]
    #18827719 - 09/11/13 01:04 PM (10 years, 4 months ago)

Is there anything that one OS can do that the other can't? Ease of use is totally subjective. Saying you need a mac to make music or art is just silly, both OS's run photoshop.


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Re: Any REAL reason to buy a mac? [Re: Lynnch]
    #18827736 - 09/11/13 01:10 PM (10 years, 4 months ago)

The quality of the display is another consideration, if you're doing pro graphics work you need a display with good color reproduction. The average user is not going to notice it most of the time but if you look at gradients on a cheap monitor they will not look smooth like they're supposed to.


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Re: Any REAL reason to buy a mac? [Re: psi]
    #18827755 - 09/11/13 01:14 PM (10 years, 4 months ago)

Macs are excellent options for the average computer user, particularly those of us that need a light weight laptop because they're usually lugging it and 5 other bags around. Mine is durable, functional, sleek, and was a whopping 350 dollars bought slightly used.


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Re: Any REAL reason to buy a mac? [Re: Legend]
    #18827769 - 09/11/13 01:16 PM (10 years, 4 months ago)

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Legend said:
because you can



Just seems like a waste of space.


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Re: Any REAL reason to buy a mac? [Re: pirate-blues]
    #18827785 - 09/11/13 01:21 PM (10 years, 4 months ago)

Yeah a lot of people like the OS and hardware design. My sisters all have Macs (except for a couple who got high end Lenovos through school) because that's what we had at home when they were growing up. I like the OS just fine but I don't want to pay a premium for it.


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Re: Any REAL reason to buy a mac? [Re: psi]
    #18827797 - 09/11/13 01:24 PM (10 years, 4 months ago)

Yeah I think just being used to the OS is the biggest reason I still buy them.

I also like how easy it is to move the desktop around. I don't use a computer when I'm not home so I didn't need a laptop, but I do use my computer in various places throughout the house. It's surprisingly nice.


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Re: Any REAL reason to buy a mac? [Re: Almond Flour]
    #18827855 - 09/11/13 01:39 PM (10 years, 4 months ago)

You can make your family look poor instead of them making you look poor, it's great for rich kids.


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Re: Any REAL reason to buy a mac? [Re: UnholyChild666] * 3
    #18827899 - 09/11/13 01:52 PM (10 years, 4 months ago)

Is this one of those rare situations where you calling someone a rich kid actually related to the topic somewhat?


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Re: Any REAL reason to buy a mac? [Re: UnholyChild666] * 2
    #18828029 - 09/11/13 02:28 PM (10 years, 4 months ago)

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You can make your family look poor instead of them making you look poor, it's great for rich kids.




How dare people with money purchase things that you can't afford. Those incorrigible bastards.


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Re: Any REAL reason to buy a mac? [Re: jewunit]
    #18828731 - 09/11/13 04:55 PM (10 years, 4 months ago)

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:lol:

You're like a walking cliche of hate.




This. What crawled up your ass lately Tea? I think you should change your name for the 27th time to "NegativeNancy." It would be very fitting.


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Re: Any REAL reason to buy a mac? [Re: jewunit]
    #18828797 - 09/11/13 05:06 PM (10 years, 4 months ago)

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Re: Any REAL reason to buy a mac? [Re: Synthe]
    #18828951 - 09/11/13 05:32 PM (10 years, 4 months ago)

My ipad Is always fast..ever since i got it. No maintenance.

My computer requires weekly maintenance for optimal performance. Registry scanner mostly.

:shrug:

Macs are a pretty penny.

I don't have VPN service on my ipad though :/

Each has pros and cons. Depends how much $$ you wanna spend IMO


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Re: Any REAL reason to buy a mac? [Re: Almond Flour]
    #18829162 - 09/11/13 06:24 PM (10 years, 4 months ago)

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Almond Flour said:
Is there any real reason to buy a mac this day in age?




You want a computer that lasts, if I was going to spend $1000 on a computer I would definitely go mac. As it is I go Windows, its like the Walmart of computers


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Re: Any REAL reason to buy a mac? [Re: Almond Flour]
    #18829173 - 09/11/13 06:27 PM (10 years, 4 months ago)

Maybe I'll buy a mac for my next laptop, or maybe I won't. I don't know I really don't give a fuck.


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Re: Any REAL reason to buy a mac? [Re: Repertoire89]
    #18829214 - 09/11/13 06:35 PM (10 years, 4 months ago)

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Quote:

Almond Flour said:
Is there any real reason to buy a mac this day in age?




You want a computer that lasts, if I was going to spend $1000 on a computer I would definitely go mac. As it is I go Windows, its like the Walmart of computers




Windows doesn't make computers dude.


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Re: Any REAL reason to buy a mac? [Re: psi]
    #18829269 - 09/11/13 06:46 PM (10 years, 4 months ago)

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Quote:

Repertoire89 said:
Quote:

Almond Flour said:
Is there any real reason to buy a mac this day in age?




You want a computer that lasts, if I was going to spend $1000 on a computer I would definitely go mac. As it is I go Windows, its like the Walmart of computers




Windows doesn't make computers dude.




:lol:

That's an OS. You must be talking about Microsoft. Still need a computer though

It's like saying, TURN ON THE BREAKING BAD! Breaking bad is the TV show, but you need a TV/PC to view it.


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Re: Any REAL reason to buy a mac? [Re: psi]
    #18829279 - 09/11/13 06:49 PM (10 years, 4 months ago)

^ that's what most people don't get.


Apple and Microsoft have completely different business models - apple is vertically integrated, they wanna sell you the whole package, hardware, software, tech support. Microsoft sells and licenses software with other companies, but is slowly changing the landscape of their business model, I think, someone more knowledgeable on that front can probably elaborate better than I can. I'm not terribly up to date on that kind of stuf.


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Re: Any REAL reason to buy a mac? [Re: TwinEclipse]
    #18829312 - 09/11/13 06:55 PM (10 years, 4 months ago)

Yeah in all seriousness there are numerous companies that make pro level computers and ship them with Windows. Like Apple's pro level computers, they tend to be pretty expensive. If you want a really durable computer check out Panasonic's Toughbook line, those are built pretty fucking solid. Of course there are much cheaper computers out there with similar specs, but that's how it goes.


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Re: Any REAL reason to buy a mac? [Re: psi]
    #18829318 - 09/11/13 06:57 PM (10 years, 4 months ago)

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Windows doesn't make computers dude.




:lol: dang


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Re: Any REAL reason to buy a mac? [Re: Repertoire89]
    #18829400 - 09/11/13 07:11 PM (10 years, 4 months ago)

Didn't read through the whole thread but can I just say one word? HACKINTOSH! :dancer:


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Re: Any REAL reason to buy a mac? [Re: Niffla]
    #18831104 - 09/12/13 03:34 AM (10 years, 4 months ago)

Mac audio drivers beat the living shit out of PC/ASIO ones.


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Re: Any REAL reason to buy a mac? [Re: twighead]
    #18831142 - 09/12/13 04:16 AM (10 years, 4 months ago)

the apple browser automatically rejects 3rd party cookies and iphones have a much better permission system.

just going by those two things it seems like apple is the company least trying to fuck your privacy in the ass.

I dunno thats just an assumption though.


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Re: Any REAL reason to buy a mac? [Re: Repertoire89]
    #18831151 - 09/12/13 04:27 AM (10 years, 4 months ago)

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As it is I go Windows, its like the Walmart of computers




Actually it would make more sense to call Apple the Walmart of computers. Apple tends to make their products for idiots, which is why most people never run into errors on macs. Windows based computers are a lot easier to break.







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Re: Any REAL reason to buy a mac? [Re: Almond Flour]
    #18831293 - 09/12/13 06:30 AM (10 years, 4 months ago)

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-Buying a machine that requires expensive software to run microsoft programs you need anyway.







i've never bought any software for my mac, i don't use or need any microsoft programs.
so, this whole sentence makes no sense at all.


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Re: Any REAL reason to buy a mac? [Re: broken]
    #18831436 - 09/12/13 07:45 AM (10 years, 4 months ago)

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-Buying a machine that requires expensive software to run microsoft programs you need anyway.







i've never bought any software for my mac, i don't use or need any microsoft programs.
so, this whole sentence makes no sense at all.




The only software I've purchased for mine has been stuff(CAD/lighting control software)I would've had to buy/install regardless of the OS. I'm pursuing visually oriented stuff and I do use my computer, but I don't need a high end graphics card or a shit load of power to accommodate it, so I've got no opinion when you delve into that world.


- I know you can install your desired OS on pretty much anything, but to start, personally I prefer apple's interface because it's efficient, user friendly, and aesthetically pleasing(yes, this is a valid factor for some of us).

- Apple also offers an integrated, high quality product that is also generally lighter weight compared to most pcs of a similar size in my price range, this is an important factor to me because I have to carry this shit around a lot.

- I do not have to worry about constantly updating anti-virus software, I don't have to worry about new viruses designed to bypass said antivirus software. I'm not saying it's impossible to get one, but it's a lot less likely and a lot lower maintenance in general.

- I can go through Apple for tech support, repair, and replacement parts are more easily available and cheaper, in my experience.

- You can get a very decent laptop for a few hundred bucks, wipe it clean, feed it RAM, bing bang boom, good as new, accomplishes everything that needs to be accomplished for me while suffering being dropped on hard wood floors many a time(would not recommend, either way)....so please tell me, why I should've put that 350 dollars towards a PC instead, I'm really curious.


... Sometimes I miss MS word, because text edit sucks but there's a variety of free open source software available to remedy that.

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Re: Any REAL reason to buy a mac? [Re: pirate-blues] * 2
    #18831442 - 09/12/13 07:48 AM (10 years, 4 months ago)

Open Office is pretty dope.

Though MS Office is worth paying for since being familiar with it is at least an advantage and at most a requirement for a lot of jobs.


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Re: Any REAL reason to buy a mac? [Re: Everlong]
    #18831499 - 09/12/13 08:06 AM (10 years, 4 months ago)

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As it is I go Windows, its like the Walmart of computers




Actually it would make more sense to call Apple the Walmart of computers. Apple tends to make their products for idiots, which is why most people never run into errors on macs. Windows based computers are a lot easier to break.




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Re: Any REAL reason to buy a mac? [Re: Versicolor]
    #18831544 - 09/12/13 08:17 AM (10 years, 4 months ago)

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As it is I go Windows, its like the Walmart of computers




Actually it would make more sense to call Apple the Walmart of computers. Apple tends to make their products for idiots, which is why most people never run into errors on macs. Windows based computers are a lot easier to break.




Wait, did you just say things from Walmart are harder to break?



I guess I did.

I was really trying to imply that macs are for idiots and the same is true of walmart.

Also considering macs are usually more expensive than their PC counterparts, I don't know why I thought that was a good analogy.

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Re: Any REAL reason to buy a mac? [Re: Versicolor]
    #18831553 - 09/12/13 08:22 AM (10 years, 4 months ago)

This thread pops up every once in a while, and a bunch of idiots always come in and regurgitate the same shit they've heard over and over, with no real knowledge whatsoever.

OS X is a great operating system built on BSD.  If you do any sort of web development, Windows is an absolutely NIGHTMARE since it is really designed as a single-user OS, and more importantly, it is not POSIX compliant.

Windows is in fact the ONLY major OS that is NOT POSIX compliant, which makes it utterly useless for a huge host of purposes.

Nowadays, people are trying to make computers like the Macbook Air, but guess what?  They're actually MORE expensive.  And they get worse battery life.  And the build quality is worse.

Were you awware that the new Macbook Air gets 13-14 hours of battery life?  The best review on a Windows machine I have seen pegs them at 7-8 hours with Haswell.  That's almost HALF the battery.  There has also never been a single even remotely usable touchpad on any Windows laptop, which for me is a deal-breaker.

I do iOS, Android, BlackBerry, and web development.  I run a Hackintosh desktop to do most of my work, but I also have an Apple laptop.  Until manufacturers fix some of the major flaws with Windows laptops, such as the touchpad, I would never consider purchasing one.  I use Windows once in a while, but I am really not a fan of the OS, and the difficulty I run into trying to script / run servers, etc makes it next to useless.

I do play games on Windows, since developers tend to optimize their games more for Windows, but that's it.  There is nothing else that I would prefer to do in Windows.  And the build quality of Apple products is the best - there is really no comparison to any other manufacturer.

BTW I use an Android phone (Nexus 4) before anyone starts to call me an Apple fanboy.  I absolutely am not.


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Re: Any REAL reason to buy a mac? [Re: pwnasaurus]
    #18831605 - 09/12/13 08:43 AM (10 years, 4 months ago)

I'm also involved in web developing and video editing, and I have been on a mac for a long time. I actually tried using a windows last year, and like pwn said, it was a nightmare.
If I were into gaming or the like I might consider getting a PC, but I'm not.
People argue that macs are less repairable than PC's, which is bullshit. Anyone who says that is not experienced enough with apple.
I have been on the same macbook pro for 6 years, and it's still running flawlessly. Never a virus or OS failure.
Any hardware issue (which is very rare) can be fixed easily, and, if you know where to go, cheaply.
In fact, the computer itself can be acquired cheaply if you keep an eye on the market.

My mother wrecked her third windows laptop a few years ago. They were dropping like flies. :lol:
I set her up with a macbook air almost 3 years ago, and she has never been happier. The design, weight, user friendliness, convenience, has made for a good experience. She also get's twice the battery life now, which is great, because she travels a lot. And, it only cost $400.
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Re: Any REAL reason to buy a mac? [Re: jewunit]
    #18831986 - 09/12/13 10:51 AM (10 years, 4 months ago)

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Open Office is pretty dope.

Though MS Office is worth paying for since being familiar with it is at least an advantage and at most a requirement for a lot of jobs.




I use Open Office, but it pisses me off how there are no keyboard shortcuts in the spreadsheet for fill down and fill right. I've stopped using pirated software for the most part, don't want to have to worry about viruses or whatever if there's an open source or freeware program that does what I need.


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Re: Any REAL reason to buy a mac? [Re: pwnasaurus]
    #18832096 - 09/12/13 11:26 AM (10 years, 4 months ago)

So you go both ways, and that is cool on this matter:lol:

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Re: Any REAL reason to buy a mac? [Re: Shortknight]
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Re: Any REAL reason to buy a mac? [Re: NotTheDevil]
    #18832241 - 09/12/13 12:18 PM (10 years, 4 months ago)

Sure, if you can explain how it's superior for my needs.
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Re: Any REAL reason to buy a mac? [Re: Versicolor]
    #18832263 - 09/12/13 12:28 PM (10 years, 4 months ago)

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Sure, if you can explain how it's superior for my needs.
And, I'm not an 'apple boy', as I also use an android phone. :lol:





Android is a linux operating system which is based on a Unix-type kernel.  MacOS is also built from a Unix kernel.

Obviously you are a fanboy of Unix flavored popcorn.  Personally, I prefer butter.


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Re: Any REAL reason to buy a mac? [Re: Almond Flour]
    #18832427 - 09/12/13 01:13 PM (10 years, 4 months ago)

I used to think exactly like you. I thought there was no way it could be worth it. Well laptop after laptop kept breaking, so I finally put some money down and got a MacBook Pro.

It's way better. Easy to use, built well, sleek, minimal viruses, a LOT of applications. I don't think I could go back from Macs, they're just a really great tool. I'm not a snob about it or anything, they're just far better in my opinion


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Re: Any REAL reason to buy a mac? [Re: Versicolor]
    #18832693 - 09/12/13 02:22 PM (10 years, 4 months ago)

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Sure, if you can explain how it's superior for my needs.
And, I'm not an 'apple boy', as I also use an android phone. :lol:




I wasn't talking to any specific person, although not really superior its interface is the same as mac and your even less likely to get viruses.


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Re: Any REAL reason to buy a mac? [Re: Almond Flour]
    #18865562 - 09/19/13 10:45 PM (10 years, 4 months ago)

ok, you find me another 4.4lb 15" laptop with a 2880x1800 ips display, 768GB ssd, and better than a nvidia 650m gpu on a 4.4lb 15" laptop.....and that I can have its warranty serviced in a 10min walk from my house....  :shrug: it's undeniably a sweet piece of kit if you factor in portability and specs...


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    #18865566 - 09/19/13 10:46 PM (10 years, 4 months ago)

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Re: Any REAL reason to buy a mac? [Re: ClockCode]
    #18865851 - 09/20/13 12:10 AM (10 years, 4 months ago)

The best thing about having a mac is doing the "ohhhh you have a pc......" :lolsy:

I dont even care if they have a PC i just know it trolls some people so hard. People like OP sound pretty mad about mac users for god knows why so why not grind their gears up a little more for the lols.


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Re: Any REAL reason to buy a mac? [Re: OZA]
    #18865877 - 09/20/13 12:20 AM (10 years, 4 months ago)

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I used to think exactly like you. I thought there was no way it could be worth it. Well laptop after laptop kept breaking, so I finally put some money down and got a MacBook Pro.

It's way better. Easy to use, built well, sleek, minimal viruses, a LOT of applications. I don't think I could go back from Macs, they're just a really great tool. I'm not a snob about it or anything, they're just far better in my opinion





Macs have the same processors and hardware now as PC's.  So I don't see how they could be better built.  I built my own PC, its really well built.  Now, half the hardware I use and a good portion of my specialized software,well, you can't find either mac drivers for the hardware, or the specialized software.

the better operating system is Microsoft, if it wasn't, the majority of people would be using MACS, and the software sections of big stores like Frye's would have 10 rows of MAC software and 2 rows of Microsoft software.  Instead, it is just the opposite.


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Re: Any REAL reason to buy a mac? [Re: elax420]
    #18865881 - 09/20/13 12:21 AM (10 years, 4 months ago)

lmao I love the blatant troll after explaining you like macs so you can troll people.

I'll take the bait.

I never have any viruses on my windows (A Mac is still a PC, silly) and honestly I've forgotten that BSOD even happened to people.  Maybe you should stop downloading beast porn.  :crazy2:


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    #18865914 - 09/20/13 12:34 AM (10 years, 4 months ago)

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the better operating system is Microsoft, if it wasn't, the majority of people would be using MACS, and the software sections of big stores like Frye's would have 10 rows of MAC software and 2 rows of Microsoft software.  Instead, it is just the opposite.



Come on now dude, you can't seriously think this is a legitimate argument. McDonald's must make the worlds best fucking hamburgers too, huh?


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Re: Any REAL reason to buy a mac? [Re: jewunit]
    #18865945 - 09/20/13 12:46 AM (10 years, 4 months ago)

Well, if I was investing, I would buy the product that sells 10x as much as the other one.  If it was that superior of a product, it would overtake it. 

MAC survives now on name brand, I would have a hard time finding someone who could convince me it is any better.  Maybe as a COMPUTER it is better, as an operating system I'm sorry, Microsoft owns it.  if it was a better operating system everyone would be using it.

It's kind of like the Linux argument.  Oh, Linux is so much faster, it doesn't get viruses, its more efficienct, blah blah.  Oh year?  Try using Linux, in 10 minutes people say 'fuck this shit'

People put down microsoft and truly they do some dumb, stupid fucking shit.  But if you get it set up right, the memory management, file system, and stability of windows 7 is just as good or better than Apples OS.


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Re: Any REAL reason to buy a mac? [Re: starfire_xes]
    #18865949 - 09/20/13 12:47 AM (10 years, 4 months ago)

incidentally, besides my 2880x1800 res internal lcd on my retina macbook pro, it also has two 27" 2560x1440p monitors hooked up via mini displayport (two thunderbolt ports) and an additional 1080p screen through HDMI atm, 4 discrete outputs simultaneously... hell of a lot of screen real estate for a laptop, makes for a really nice desktop replacement... can't really think of another laptop that can do that off the top of my head.


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Re: Any REAL reason to buy a mac? [Re: CosmicJoke]
    #18865957 - 09/20/13 12:51 AM (10 years, 4 months ago)

how much does that hardware cost?

By the way, I had 2500 resolution on windows XP with an old Sony trinitron CRT monitor. 

The fact that you have great hardware on a system has nothing to do with how good the OS is.


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Re: Any REAL reason to buy a mac? [Re: starfire_xes]
    #18865958 - 09/20/13 12:51 AM (10 years, 4 months ago)

I don't really care what you would do as an investor, nor do I see what that has to do with anything.

To think there is an objective "best" is pretty foolish though. They all have their positives and they all have their negatives. It's almost like different people like different things. Fucking crazy, I know.


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Re: Any REAL reason to buy a mac? [Re: starfire_xes]
    #18865981 - 09/20/13 01:05 AM (10 years, 4 months ago)

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Well, if I was investing, I would buy the product that sells 10x as much as the other one.  If it was that superior of a product, it would overtake it. 

MAC survives now on name brand, I would have a hard time finding someone who could convince me it is any better.  Maybe as a COMPUTER it is better, as an operating system I'm sorry, Microsoft owns it.  if it was a better operating system everyone would be using it.

It's kind of like the Linux argument.  Oh, Linux is so much faster, it doesn't get viruses, its more efficienct, blah blah.  Oh year?  Try using Linux, in 10 minutes people say 'fuck this shit'

People put down microsoft and truly they do some dumb, stupid fucking shit.  But if you get it set up right, the memory management, file system, and stability of windows 7 is just as good or better than Apples OS.




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Re: Any REAL reason to buy a mac? [Re: NotTheDevil]
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Well, if I was investing, I would buy the product that sells 10x as much as the other one.  If it was that superior of a product, it would overtake it. 

MAC survives now on name brand, I would have a hard time finding someone who could convince me it is any better.  Maybe as a COMPUTER it is better, as an operating system I'm sorry, Microsoft owns it.  if it was a better operating system everyone would be using it.

It's kind of like the Linux argument.  Oh, Linux is so much faster, it doesn't get viruses, its more efficienct, blah blah.  Oh year?  Try using Linux, in 10 minutes people say 'fuck this shit'

People put down microsoft and truly they do some dumb, stupid fucking shit.  But if you get it set up right, the memory management, file system, and stability of windows 7 is just as good or better than Apples OS.




When's the last time you tried a mainstream linux

I'm on ubuntu right now



It has been a while.  But the soundcard I have, and half the specialized music software I use, won't work on Linux.  SO why would I ever consider it?


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Re: Any REAL reason to buy a mac? [Re: starfire_xes]
    #18865999 - 09/20/13 01:16 AM (10 years, 4 months ago)

Don't get me wrong, I'm an avid user of Windows, I have a custom built desktop w/ i7-2600k @ 4.5ghz w/ 16gb ram and evga gtx 670 ftw.... but i also have a 15" rMBP, a 13" MBA, and a mac mini server. 

There are some incredibly compelling reasons to use both operating systems... windows has better graphics drivers, directx... side by side native 3d accelerated apps virtually always perform superiorly in Windows with the same graphics card.

And there are so many reasons to pick Windows to pieces, especially with its current rendition, Windows 8..


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Re: Any REAL reason to buy a mac? [Re: CosmicJoke]
    #18866014 - 09/20/13 01:24 AM (10 years, 4 months ago)

I've heard windows 8 sucks wet donkey balls.  But i'm using 7 and it is VERY stable, and works great with the music applications I use.  It is undoubtably the best system I have used for music production.


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I've heard windows 8 sucks wet donkey balls.  But i'm using 7 and it is VERY stable, and works great with the music applications I use.  It is undoubtably the best system I have used for music production.



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Re: Any REAL reason to buy a mac? [Re: Almond Flour] * 1
    #18866024 - 09/20/13 01:31 AM (10 years, 4 months ago)

Ultimately it depends on what you use your computer for. I have a hard time taking any power user seriously who swears by macs...but if you want to simply turn it on and it to work then I hear they're great.

Personally I like being able to tinker with ever last piece of hardware and software on my computer, I like to be able to remove shit that's pissing me off, tweak every last configuration and make it do exactly what I want it to do, not what other people think I should want it to do with no compromises. Windows allows a somewhat limited degree of freedom, but I'm still locked into a closed system. With any apple product ever, you have no real choice as to what the core os does, you're kind of expected to expect things to just work.. and if it doesn't buy an apple compatible piece of hardware / software (which is nearly always more expensive than the windows counterpart). One of my friends recently bought a Macbook Pro, and you have to buy an apple licensed adapter for hdmi to work.. That's pretty much a core component of any graphics card on any other type of laptop at the moment... Why would you make it an accessory? Think different. $$$ :tongue:

I know OSX was based on NeXTSTEP & forked from BSD... many many moons ago, but the way the underlying os handles compared to any of the open source versions of BSD I've tried (open, net & free) is vastly different..

I've never owned a mac because I can't justify paying that amount of money for that particular / software configuration, when I could build something much more powerful, that I have complete control over for a 1/3rd of the price. I do like some of the innovations that OSX gui has brought to the desktop & have consequently stolen them and mashed them up with the parts of the windows gui I like to give me the user experience I'm looking for (I run gentoo for anyone that's wondering :wink: ).

tl;dr - my computer experience is about me, not about what other companies tell me that I want, and apple seems to be worse for it than Microsoft (although Windows 8 is absolutely atrocious).


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Re: Any REAL reason to buy a mac? [Re: starfire_xes]
    #18866029 - 09/20/13 01:37 AM (10 years, 4 months ago)

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I've heard windows 8 sucks wet donkey balls.  But i'm using 7 and it is VERY stable, and works great with the music applications I use.  It is undoubtably the best system I have used for music production.




Windows 8 isn't the worst, but 7 is WAY better. IMO it works great with tablets and devices with touchscreens, but it is complete fail for desktops.

I think windows was smart in making it but really stupid for putting it on desktops. They need one OS that expands off win7 and another that expands off win8, plain and simple.


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Re: Any REAL reason to buy a mac? [Re: ganjfather]
    #18866079 - 09/20/13 02:11 AM (10 years, 4 months ago)

What people never compare is a mac to an equivalently priced laptop.

People normally compare an expensive mac, to a shitty walmart laptop.

There is high end manufacturers like Asus that dollar for dollar beat macs. They make high end gaming laptops that have better quality and features.


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Re: Any REAL reason to buy a mac? [Re: starfire_xes]
    #18866086 - 09/20/13 02:22 AM (10 years, 4 months ago)

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I've heard windows 8 sucks wet donkey balls.  But i'm using 7 and it is VERY stable, and works great with the music applications I use.  It is undoubtably the best system I have used for music production.




windows 7 also has complete shit support for hidpi, try using a 2880x1800 screen 15" screen, you're going to have to change the DPI to like 150% to use it.... except then it doesn't even handle as per screen, but the entirety of your desktop, so then your external monitor has a retardedly oversized user interface... and third party apps have barely even gotten on the bandwagon for hidpi support... chrome for windows doesn't even support it, though they finally have a flag in chrome canary for support.... microsoft and developers are just lagging hard on support for this, and it's becoming increasingly in demand, samsung and acer are putting out high res laptops now....


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Re: Any REAL reason to buy a mac? [Re: starfire_xes]
    #18866315 - 09/20/13 06:15 AM (10 years, 4 months ago)

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MAC survives now on name brand, I would have a hard time finding someone who could convince me it is any better.  Maybe as a COMPUTER it is better, as an operating system I'm sorry, Microsoft owns it.  if it was a better operating system everyone would be using it.




Not necessarily. Sales of their OS have always been crippled by their business model of packaging the OS only with their own hardware. They did license it to other companies for a brief period in the 90's but it didn't stick. MS sells more copies of their OS because all kinds of different manufacturers will sell you a Windows computer, and as a result pricing is a lot more competitive. Clearly both OSes are decent enough that people are paying for them, but sales of Apple's OS are crippled by their dogged insistence that people buy their hardware to use it. With their portable devices that model hasn't hampered mass appeal, but with computers it definitely does.


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Re: Any REAL reason to buy a mac? [Re: psi]
    #18866456 - 09/20/13 07:43 AM (10 years, 4 months ago)

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MAC survives now on name brand, I would have a hard time finding someone who could convince me it is any better.  Maybe as a COMPUTER it is better, as an operating system I'm sorry, Microsoft owns it.  if it was a better operating system everyone would be using it.




Not necessarily. Sales of their OS have always been crippled by their business model of packaging the OS only with their own hardware. They did license it to other companies for a brief period in the 90's but it didn't stick. MS sells more copies of their OS because all kinds of different manufacturers will sell you a Windows computer, and as a result pricing is a lot more competitive. Clearly both OSes are decent enough that people are paying for them, but sales of Apple's OS are crippled by their dogged insistence that people buy their hardware to use it. With their portable devices that model hasn't hampered mass appeal, but with computers it definitely does.



Apple is an end-to-end experience company.  It doesn't "cripple" their OS sales - they practically give away the OS on their hardware.  Normally an upgrade is $10-30, whereas every new version of Windows costs ~$130.

Apple is in the business of controlling the entire user experience of their devices, and they do a damned good job.  Why would they want to license their OS out to third parties for pennies on the dollar, just to have it degrade their name by being put on shitty $400 laptops with terrible trackpads and overall build quality?

The MS business model does not behoove Apple, and they are doing fantastically right now as the richest company in the world, so I'd say they're doing things right.


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Re: Any REAL reason to buy a mac? [Re: pwnasaurus]
    #18866501 - 09/20/13 07:57 AM (10 years, 4 months ago)

My point was that it's largely the difference in business models that explains why far more people use Windows. Starfire was suggesting that this difference in user base implies that Windows is the better OS.


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Re: Any REAL reason to buy a mac? [Re: twighead]
    #18866817 - 09/20/13 09:22 AM (10 years, 4 months ago)

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Mac audio drivers beat the living shit out of PC/ASIO ones.




What exactly does that mean?


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Re: Any REAL reason to buy a mac? [Re: ClockCode]
    #18867600 - 09/20/13 12:48 PM (10 years, 4 months ago)

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I used to think exactly like you. I thought there was no way it could be worth it. Well laptop after laptop kept breaking, so I finally put some money down and got a MacBook Pro.

It's way better. Easy to use, built well, sleek, minimal viruses, a LOT of applications. I don't think I could go back from Macs, they're just a really great tool. I'm not a snob about it or anything, they're just far better in my opinion




the better operating system is Microsoft, if it wasn't, the majority of people would be using MACS, and the software sections of big stores like Frye's would have 10 rows of MAC software and 2 rows of Microsoft software.  Instead, it is just the opposite.





Bullshit some one doesn't realize how economics works. Microsoft got instituted as the industry standard for everything a long ass time ago, the costs to change now would be fucking absurd, not even taking into account how much more macs are than PC.  My mac has never once crashed or even lagged, Windows 8 is the most atrocious fucking thing I've ever seen, and its slow as hell (atleast at my college)


Also PCs are just cheaper and more poorly made as a whole, YOu guys who build your own may be different, but go buy a 400$ dell pop it open and compare it to the hardware in a mac. Its just basic economics. Macs are more specialized by design, High cost, slim market, exceptional product is their business strategy.  Windows is Low cost, Broad market, average product.

Walmart compared to costco, where do you shop brahhh?


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lmao I love the blatant troll after explaining you like macs so you can troll people.

I'll take the bait.
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    #18867612 - 09/20/13 12:52 PM (10 years, 4 months ago)

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Re: Any REAL reason to buy a mac? [Re: psi]
    #18867619 - 09/20/13 12:54 PM (10 years, 4 months ago)

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My point was that it's largely the difference in business models that explains why far more people use Windows. Starfire was suggesting that this difference in user base implies that Windows is the better OS.



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This dude gets it.

Sorry for the double post should have read the whole thread before making that long ass post


About Microsofts OS being better, Im not a computer science major, business talks a little about code but not enough to get into a serious argument here. I do know many programmers though, they all like Mac because its unix based, do i know what that means hell no, you can type code directly into the search bar or something :shrug:

Oh and nice one word rebuttal filmoe.  Businesses by and large use windows because its cheaper and the industry standard, no fucking idea how you could even repute that.


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Re: Any REAL reason to buy a mac? [Re: elax420]
    #18867638 - 09/20/13 12:57 PM (10 years, 4 months ago)

Didn't read through this thread, but as someone who works at an advertising agency, Macs are absolutely essential. The tools we use (Adobe suite, 3D suites, Video editing suites, etc) are better supported on the Mac than PC. I'm in no way an elitist though, I own a PC that I also use.

I also own an iPad and iPhone. Not because I suck Apple's dick, like you Linux/Windows elitist think. It's because I fucking hate the Android app store, and how slow android devices generally are.


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Re: Any REAL reason to buy a mac? [Re: eMpire420]
    #18867668 - 09/20/13 01:03 PM (10 years, 4 months ago)

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Didn't read through this thread, but as someone who works at an advertising agency, Macs are absolutely essential. The tools we use (Adobe suite, 3D suites, Video editing suites, etc) are better supported on the Mac than PC.




Can you elaborate on that a little more? I've heard a lot of people say this (including a family friend who designs book covers on Macs) but I've never really heard an explanation of how those types of programs work differently on Macs.


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Re: Any REAL reason to buy a mac? [Re: psi]
    #18867692 - 09/20/13 01:10 PM (10 years, 4 months ago)

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Didn't read through this thread, but as someone who works at an advertising agency, Macs are absolutely essential. The tools we use (Adobe suite, 3D suites, Video editing suites, etc) are better supported on the Mac than PC.




Can you elaborate on that a little more? I've heard a lot of people say this (including a family friend who designs book covers on Macs) but I've never really heard an explanation of how those types of programs work differently on Macs.




Well for one, one of the industry standard video editing suites (Final Cut Pro) is a Mac only program. There's a number of other compositing programs that are mac only (I'm not sure the names though, as I don't personally do compositing).

It's probably not so much a big deal, but in the past Adobe liked to support mac more than windows because of the type of companies that used mac, so the programs were optimized for Mac rather than windows. They were simply ported to windows to appeal to the masses. In this day in age though, I'm sure this isn't the case.

The reason most studios supply macs rather than windows, is because Mac Pros come pre-built specifically for this type of work. 8-16 core processors equipped with hyper threading and all those goodies. Of course, you can achieve similar machines with PCs, studios usually aren't interested in custom building machines for every employee, so it's more time effective to just buy computers that were made FOR media creation.

Other than that, it's probably more of personal preference. The type of people who work in the media industry are people who you'd generally label as "Mac users".


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Re: Any REAL reason to buy a mac? [Re: psi]
    #18867716 - 09/20/13 01:15 PM (10 years, 4 months ago)

My problem with mac, is microsoft office sucks ass on mac, probably by design too.


Seriously try to use excel on a mac its formatting is all fucked some of the features are missing, etc.

Only reason i use my windows machine is when i have to do assignments or projects in Micro office, or gaming, other than that.....

Empire i heard the latest Final Cut wasn't very good?


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Re: Any REAL reason to buy a mac? [Re: elax420]
    #18867776 - 09/20/13 01:27 PM (10 years, 4 months ago)

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My problem with mac, is microsoft office sucks ass on mac, probably by design too.


Seriously try to use excel on a mac its formatting is all fucked some of the features are missing, etc.

Only reason i use my windows machine is when i have to do assignments or projects in Micro office, or gaming, other than that.....

Empire i heard the latest Final Cut wasn't very good?




I edit excel files with the iWork suite. Although to someone who's used to office, it probably seems like a downgrade. If you're into the business industry, it's probably better to use windows.

Latest final cut is garbage. Most people are either running the version before that or adobe premiere.


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