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Re: Any REAL reason to buy a mac? [Re: starfire_xes]
#18866029 - 09/20/13 01:37 AM (10 years, 4 months ago) |
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starfire_xes said: I've heard windows 8 sucks wet donkey balls. But i'm using 7 and it is VERY stable, and works great with the music applications I use. It is undoubtably the best system I have used for music production.
Windows 8 isn't the worst, but 7 is WAY better. IMO it works great with tablets and devices with touchscreens, but it is complete fail for desktops.
I think windows was smart in making it but really stupid for putting it on desktops. They need one OS that expands off win7 and another that expands off win8, plain and simple.
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Re: Any REAL reason to buy a mac? [Re: ganjfather]
#18866079 - 09/20/13 02:11 AM (10 years, 4 months ago) |
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What people never compare is a mac to an equivalently priced laptop.
People normally compare an expensive mac, to a shitty walmart laptop.
There is high end manufacturers like Asus that dollar for dollar beat macs. They make high end gaming laptops that have better quality and features.
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Re: Any REAL reason to buy a mac? [Re: starfire_xes]
#18866086 - 09/20/13 02:22 AM (10 years, 4 months ago) |
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starfire_xes said: I've heard windows 8 sucks wet donkey balls. But i'm using 7 and it is VERY stable, and works great with the music applications I use. It is undoubtably the best system I have used for music production.
windows 7 also has complete shit support for hidpi, try using a 2880x1800 screen 15" screen, you're going to have to change the DPI to like 150% to use it.... except then it doesn't even handle as per screen, but the entirety of your desktop, so then your external monitor has a retardedly oversized user interface... and third party apps have barely even gotten on the bandwagon for hidpi support... chrome for windows doesn't even support it, though they finally have a flag in chrome canary for support.... microsoft and developers are just lagging hard on support for this, and it's becoming increasingly in demand, samsung and acer are putting out high res laptops now....
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Re: Any REAL reason to buy a mac? [Re: starfire_xes]
#18866315 - 09/20/13 06:15 AM (10 years, 4 months ago) |
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starfire_xes said: MAC survives now on name brand, I would have a hard time finding someone who could convince me it is any better. Maybe as a COMPUTER it is better, as an operating system I'm sorry, Microsoft owns it. if it was a better operating system everyone would be using it.
Not necessarily. Sales of their OS have always been crippled by their business model of packaging the OS only with their own hardware. They did license it to other companies for a brief period in the 90's but it didn't stick. MS sells more copies of their OS because all kinds of different manufacturers will sell you a Windows computer, and as a result pricing is a lot more competitive. Clearly both OSes are decent enough that people are paying for them, but sales of Apple's OS are crippled by their dogged insistence that people buy their hardware to use it. With their portable devices that model hasn't hampered mass appeal, but with computers it definitely does.
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Re: Any REAL reason to buy a mac? [Re: psi]
#18866456 - 09/20/13 07:43 AM (10 years, 4 months ago) |
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starfire_xes said: MAC survives now on name brand, I would have a hard time finding someone who could convince me it is any better. Maybe as a COMPUTER it is better, as an operating system I'm sorry, Microsoft owns it. if it was a better operating system everyone would be using it.
Not necessarily. Sales of their OS have always been crippled by their business model of packaging the OS only with their own hardware. They did license it to other companies for a brief period in the 90's but it didn't stick. MS sells more copies of their OS because all kinds of different manufacturers will sell you a Windows computer, and as a result pricing is a lot more competitive. Clearly both OSes are decent enough that people are paying for them, but sales of Apple's OS are crippled by their dogged insistence that people buy their hardware to use it. With their portable devices that model hasn't hampered mass appeal, but with computers it definitely does.
Apple is an end-to-end experience company. It doesn't "cripple" their OS sales - they practically give away the OS on their hardware. Normally an upgrade is $10-30, whereas every new version of Windows costs ~$130.
Apple is in the business of controlling the entire user experience of their devices, and they do a damned good job. Why would they want to license their OS out to third parties for pennies on the dollar, just to have it degrade their name by being put on shitty $400 laptops with terrible trackpads and overall build quality?
The MS business model does not behoove Apple, and they are doing fantastically right now as the richest company in the world, so I'd say they're doing things right.
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Re: Any REAL reason to buy a mac? [Re: pwnasaurus]
#18866501 - 09/20/13 07:57 AM (10 years, 4 months ago) |
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My point was that it's largely the difference in business models that explains why far more people use Windows. Starfire was suggesting that this difference in user base implies that Windows is the better OS.
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Re: Any REAL reason to buy a mac? [Re: twighead]
#18866817 - 09/20/13 09:22 AM (10 years, 4 months ago) |
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twighead said: Mac audio drivers beat the living shit out of PC/ASIO ones.
What exactly does that mean?
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Re: Any REAL reason to buy a mac? [Re: ClockCode]
#18867600 - 09/20/13 12:48 PM (10 years, 4 months ago) |
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OZA said: I used to think exactly like you. I thought there was no way it could be worth it. Well laptop after laptop kept breaking, so I finally put some money down and got a MacBook Pro.
It's way better. Easy to use, built well, sleek, minimal viruses, a LOT of applications. I don't think I could go back from Macs, they're just a really great tool. I'm not a snob about it or anything, they're just far better in my opinion
the better operating system is Microsoft, if it wasn't, the majority of people would be using MACS, and the software sections of big stores like Frye's would have 10 rows of MAC software and 2 rows of Microsoft software. Instead, it is just the opposite.
Bullshit some one doesn't realize how economics works. Microsoft got instituted as the industry standard for everything a long ass time ago, the costs to change now would be fucking absurd, not even taking into account how much more macs are than PC. My mac has never once crashed or even lagged, Windows 8 is the most atrocious fucking thing I've ever seen, and its slow as hell (atleast at my college)
Also PCs are just cheaper and more poorly made as a whole, YOu guys who build your own may be different, but go buy a 400$ dell pop it open and compare it to the hardware in a mac. Its just basic economics. Macs are more specialized by design, High cost, slim market, exceptional product is their business strategy. Windows is Low cost, Broad market, average product.
Walmart compared to costco, where do you shop brahhh?
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ClockCode said: lmao I love the blatant troll after explaining you like macs so you can troll people.
I'll take the bait. Maybe you should stop downloading beast porn. 
we both know that aint gonna happen anytime soon.
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Re: Any REAL reason to buy a mac? [Re: elax420]
#18867612 - 09/20/13 12:52 PM (10 years, 4 months ago) |
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Re: Any REAL reason to buy a mac? [Re: psi]
#18867619 - 09/20/13 12:54 PM (10 years, 4 months ago) |
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psi said: My point was that it's largely the difference in business models that explains why far more people use Windows. Starfire was suggesting that this difference in user base implies that Windows is the better OS.
 This dude gets it.
Sorry for the double post should have read the whole thread before making that long ass post
About Microsofts OS being better, Im not a computer science major, business talks a little about code but not enough to get into a serious argument here. I do know many programmers though, they all like Mac because its unix based, do i know what that means hell no, you can type code directly into the search bar or something 
Oh and nice one word rebuttal filmoe. Businesses by and large use windows because its cheaper and the industry standard, no fucking idea how you could even repute that.
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Re: Any REAL reason to buy a mac? [Re: elax420]
#18867638 - 09/20/13 12:57 PM (10 years, 4 months ago) |
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Didn't read through this thread, but as someone who works at an advertising agency, Macs are absolutely essential. The tools we use (Adobe suite, 3D suites, Video editing suites, etc) are better supported on the Mac than PC. I'm in no way an elitist though, I own a PC that I also use.
I also own an iPad and iPhone. Not because I suck Apple's dick, like you Linux/Windows elitist think. It's because I fucking hate the Android app store, and how slow android devices generally are.
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Re: Any REAL reason to buy a mac? [Re: eMpire420]
#18867668 - 09/20/13 01:03 PM (10 years, 4 months ago) |
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eMpire420 said: Didn't read through this thread, but as someone who works at an advertising agency, Macs are absolutely essential. The tools we use (Adobe suite, 3D suites, Video editing suites, etc) are better supported on the Mac than PC.
Can you elaborate on that a little more? I've heard a lot of people say this (including a family friend who designs book covers on Macs) but I've never really heard an explanation of how those types of programs work differently on Macs.
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Re: Any REAL reason to buy a mac? [Re: psi]
#18867692 - 09/20/13 01:10 PM (10 years, 4 months ago) |
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eMpire420 said: Didn't read through this thread, but as someone who works at an advertising agency, Macs are absolutely essential. The tools we use (Adobe suite, 3D suites, Video editing suites, etc) are better supported on the Mac than PC.
Can you elaborate on that a little more? I've heard a lot of people say this (including a family friend who designs book covers on Macs) but I've never really heard an explanation of how those types of programs work differently on Macs.
Well for one, one of the industry standard video editing suites (Final Cut Pro) is a Mac only program. There's a number of other compositing programs that are mac only (I'm not sure the names though, as I don't personally do compositing).
It's probably not so much a big deal, but in the past Adobe liked to support mac more than windows because of the type of companies that used mac, so the programs were optimized for Mac rather than windows. They were simply ported to windows to appeal to the masses. In this day in age though, I'm sure this isn't the case.
The reason most studios supply macs rather than windows, is because Mac Pros come pre-built specifically for this type of work. 8-16 core processors equipped with hyper threading and all those goodies. Of course, you can achieve similar machines with PCs, studios usually aren't interested in custom building machines for every employee, so it's more time effective to just buy computers that were made FOR media creation.
Other than that, it's probably more of personal preference. The type of people who work in the media industry are people who you'd generally label as "Mac users".
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Re: Any REAL reason to buy a mac? [Re: psi]
#18867716 - 09/20/13 01:15 PM (10 years, 4 months ago) |
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My problem with mac, is microsoft office sucks ass on mac, probably by design too.
Seriously try to use excel on a mac its formatting is all fucked some of the features are missing, etc.
Only reason i use my windows machine is when i have to do assignments or projects in Micro office, or gaming, other than that.....
Empire i heard the latest Final Cut wasn't very good?
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Re: Any REAL reason to buy a mac? [Re: elax420]
#18867776 - 09/20/13 01:27 PM (10 years, 4 months ago) |
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elax420 said: My problem with mac, is microsoft office sucks ass on mac, probably by design too.
Seriously try to use excel on a mac its formatting is all fucked some of the features are missing, etc.
Only reason i use my windows machine is when i have to do assignments or projects in Micro office, or gaming, other than that.....
Empire i heard the latest Final Cut wasn't very good?
I edit excel files with the iWork suite. Although to someone who's used to office, it probably seems like a downgrade. If you're into the business industry, it's probably better to use windows.
Latest final cut is garbage. Most people are either running the version before that or adobe premiere.
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