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76% of Americans live paycheck to paycheck
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You can truly say that the rich are holding the poor by the balls. 3/4 of the nations would be in serious trouble if an unexpected expense were to happen or if they lost their job. 50% have less than a three months cushion and 27% have no savings at all.
Basically, the US can't afford another hiccup because odds are it will be fatal. The thing is, we all know there's gonna be a hiccup soon. It's inevitable. So, what should the US do?
- Raise the minimum salary? - Lower taxes? - Government handouts? - Tax the rich and give to the poor? - Do nothing and see what happens?
How many banks would go into bankruptcy if suddenly 50% of their customers defaulted on their mortgage and loans? How many credit card companies would stay afloat in nobody can afford to pay their balance in full at the end of the month?
Surely families can find way to stretch their paychecks, there must be a way that they can limit their expenses right? It's getting to the point where it's eat little, work long hours, do nothing and then sleep. Repeat until you die. Basically slavery.
Anyways, it isn't really better elsewhere either. I just wanted to remind you of the fucked up world our parents left for us to live in.
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Re: 76% of Americans live paycheck to paycheck [Re: Patlal]
#18826971 - 09/11/13 08:53 AM (10 years, 4 months ago) |
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Re: 76% of Americans live paycheck to paycheck [Re: Patlal]
#18826977 - 09/11/13 08:55 AM (10 years, 4 months ago) |
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Patlal said: You can truly say that the rich are holding the poor by the balls. 3/4 of the nations would be in serious trouble if an unexpected expense were to happen or if they lost their job. 50% have less than a three months cushion and 27% have no savings at all.
Basically, the US can't afford another hiccup because odds are it will be fatal. THe thing is, we all know there's gonna be a hiccup soon. It's inevitable. So, what should the US do?
- Raise the minimum salary? - Lower taxes? - Government handouts? - Tax the rich and give to the poor? - Do nothing and see what happens?
How many banks would go into bankruptcy if suddenly 50% of their customers default on their mortgage and loans? How many credit card companies will stay afloat in nobody can afford to pay their balance in full at the end of the month?
Surely families can find way to stretch their paychecks, there must be a way that they can limit expenses right? It's getting to the point where it's eat little, work long hours, do nothing and then sleep. Repeat until you die. Basically slavery.
Anyways, it isn't really better elsewhere either. I just wanted to remind you of the fucked up world our parents left for us to live in.
The reason most people live paycheck to paycheck is usually unecessary luxueries or kids. Most of the average working mans problems start with having kids to early.
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Re: 76% of Americans live paycheck to paycheck [Re: Gilgamesh18] 1
#18826983 - 09/11/13 08:59 AM (10 years, 4 months ago) |
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Gilgamesh18 said:
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Patlal said: You can truly say that the rich are holding the poor by the balls. 3/4 of the nations would be in serious trouble if an unexpected expense were to happen or if they lost their job. 50% have less than a three months cushion and 27% have no savings at all.
Basically, the US can't afford another hiccup because odds are it will be fatal. THe thing is, we all know there's gonna be a hiccup soon. It's inevitable. So, what should the US do?
- Raise the minimum salary? - Lower taxes? - Government handouts? - Tax the rich and give to the poor? - Do nothing and see what happens?
How many banks would go into bankruptcy if suddenly 50% of their customers default on their mortgage and loans? How many credit card companies will stay afloat in nobody can afford to pay their balance in full at the end of the month?
Surely families can find way to stretch their paychecks, there must be a way that they can limit expenses right? It's getting to the point where it's eat little, work long hours, do nothing and then sleep. Repeat until you die. Basically slavery.
Anyways, it isn't really better elsewhere either. I just wanted to remind you of the fucked up world our parents left for us to live in.
The reason most people live paycheck to paycheck is usually unecessary luxueries or kids. Most of the average working mans problems start with having kids to early.
The thing is, if they have kids at an older age, the new generation won't be in the workforce before their parents retire. That would create a generational gap.
Then again, it would remove the babyboomers from the picture and leave a bunch of job openings on the market. The population would be stagnant for awhile but that wouldn't really be a problem right?
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Re: 76% of Americans live paycheck to paycheck [Re: Patlal]
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Legalize all of the undocumented workers - that'll help the income tax base, and the dependency ratio.
Taxing the rich does nothing to help the poor, it only makes the poor less self-reliant.
Americans live paycheck-to-paycheck because of the unnecessary luxuries, as Gilg pointed out. If i only paid rent and ate food, I'd have lots of cash. But i pay rent, eat food, eat out, go to concerts, go to happy hours, binge drink, go on vacations, and attend tons of music festivals.
So, i live paycheck to paycheck.
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Re: 76% of Americans live paycheck to paycheck [Re: memes]
#18827011 - 09/11/13 09:09 AM (10 years, 4 months ago) |
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memes said: Legalize all of the undocumented workers - that'll help the income tax base, and the dependency ratio.
Taxing the rich does nothing to help the poor, it only makes the poor less self-reliant.
Americans live paycheck-to-paycheck because of the unnecessary luxuries, as Gilg pointed out. If i only paid rent and ate food, I'd have lots of cash. But i pay rent, eat food, eat out, go to concerts, go to happy hours, binge drink, go on vacations, and attend tons of music festivals.
So, i live paycheck to paycheck.
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Re: 76% of Americans live paycheck to paycheck [Re: Patlal]
#18827022 - 09/11/13 09:13 AM (10 years, 4 months ago) |
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Id have more money if I didn't have to have exactly what I want at the grocery store.
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Re: 76% of Americans live paycheck to paycheck [Re: Patlal] 1
#18827025 - 09/11/13 09:14 AM (10 years, 4 months ago) |
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Plus a good chunk of the economy relies on that kind of luxury spending.
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Re: 76% of Americans live paycheck to paycheck [Re: Patlal] 1
#18827039 - 09/11/13 09:19 AM (10 years, 4 months ago) |
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memes said: Legalize all of the undocumented workers - that'll help the income tax base, and the dependency ratio.
Taxing the rich does nothing to help the poor, it only makes the poor less self-reliant.
Americans live paycheck-to-paycheck because of the unnecessary luxuries, as Gilg pointed out. If i only paid rent and ate food, I'd have lots of cash. But i pay rent, eat food, eat out, go to concerts, go to happy hours, binge drink, go on vacations, and attend tons of music festivals.
So, i live paycheck to paycheck.
What's the point of life if you can't have some fun once in a while?
At their pittance wages, undocumented workers would soak up more income tax than they pay. This post demonstrates Memes' ignorance of how our tax code functions.
The rich need to be taxed until this country can afford to provide basic services for all of its citizens. I'm talking basic health care and higher education; these things are not seen as luxuries in most of the developed world, and they don't reduce self-reliance, they increase it. In this country, the poor are treated like chattel and it's frankly disgusting.
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Re: 76% of Americans live paycheck to paycheck [Re: Patlal] 1
#18827045 - 09/11/13 09:21 AM (10 years, 4 months ago) |
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Patlal said: You can truly say that the rich are holding the poor by the balls. 3/4 of the nations would be in serious trouble if an unexpected expense were to happen or if they lost their job. 50% have less than a three months cushion and 27% have no savings at all.
Basically, the US can't afford another hiccup because odds are it will be fatal. The thing is, we all know there's gonna be a hiccup soon. It's inevitable. So, what should the US do?
- Raise the minimum salary? - Lower taxes? - Government handouts? - Tax the rich and give to the poor? - Do nothing and see what happens?
How many banks would go into bankruptcy if suddenly 50% of their customers defaulted on their mortgage and loans? How many credit card companies would stay afloat in nobody can afford to pay their balance in full at the end of the month?
Surely families can find way to stretch their paychecks, there must be a way that they can limit their expenses right? It's getting to the point where it's eat little, work long hours, do nothing and then sleep. Repeat until you die. Basically slavery.
Anyways, it isn't really better elsewhere either. I just wanted to remind you of the fucked up world our parents left for us to live in.
"How many banks would go into bankruptcy if suddenly 50% of their customers defaulted on their mortgage?"
You have to remember, most banks are already technically insolvent, it doesn't take 50% of the customers defaulting on their mortgage, more like 5-10%, most banks were/are leveraged 20 to 1.
Real wages have been dropping for over 40 years, but have really accelerated lower since 2000, globalization is the main issue killing the middle-class, I don't expect to see that change for any reason in the future.
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Re: 76% of Americans live paycheck to paycheck [Re: psi] 2
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I won't speculate or make uneducated predictions; but whatever is going to happen, needs to happen. I wholeheartedly believe that in order to pave a path to true success, you need to destroy some things first.
So prepare yourselves, life's going in dry.
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It makes me sick hearing that an actor or actress made 30+ million dollars last year or make that each year.
Ya really need that much? Lol
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Re: 76% of Americans live paycheck to paycheck [Re: VivaLaMushie]
#18827051 - 09/11/13 09:24 AM (10 years, 4 months ago) |
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VivaLaMushie said: It makes me sick hearing that an actor or actress made 30+ million dollars last year or make that each year.
Ya really need that much? Lol
I'm sure he could get by just fine with 20 million, but oh no here comes the compassionate conservative brigade to tell me it would destroy the economy to deprive him of the reward for his hard work.
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Re: 76% of Americans live paycheck to paycheck [Re: memes]
#18827068 - 09/11/13 09:33 AM (10 years, 4 months ago) |
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memes said: Legalize all of the undocumented workers - that'll help the income tax base, and the dependency ratio.
Taxing the rich does nothing to help the poor, it only makes the poor less self-reliant.
Americans live paycheck-to-paycheck because of the unnecessary luxuries, as Gilg pointed out. If i only paid rent and ate food, I'd have lots of cash. But i pay rent, eat food, eat out, go to concerts, go to happy hours, binge drink, go on vacations, and attend tons of music festivals.
So, i live paycheck to paycheck.
"Legalize all of the undocumented workers- that'll help the income tax base."
So adding more unskilled workers into a already saturated labor pool is a solution? Low skilled US citizens (mostly minorities) are already suffering and don't need more competition for lower wages.
Bringing in more illegal cheap workers HURTS the tax base, guess who use the hospitals, schools, and criminal justice system? Illegal workers and their tax base would never compensate for their true costs to society.
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Re: 76% of Americans live paycheck to paycheck [Re: memes]
#18827071 - 09/11/13 09:34 AM (10 years, 4 months ago) |
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San Fran musings.
You just said the solution to the economy's problems is to tax undocumented workers.
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How is that possible if 25% are unemployed? These damn statements just aren't reliable.
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Re: 76% of Americans live paycheck to paycheck [Re: GreySatyr]
#18827078 - 09/11/13 09:36 AM (10 years, 4 months ago) |
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GreyMorph said: How is that possible if 25% are unemployed? These damn statements just aren't reliable.
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Re: 76% of Americans live paycheck to paycheck [Re: qman]
#18827091 - 09/11/13 09:45 AM (10 years, 4 months ago) |
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I actually have a better idea-- tax the employers of undocumented workers for exactly the sum of money they save on paychecks by hiring undocumented workers.
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Re: 76% of Americans live paycheck to paycheck [Re: Patlal]
#18827093 - 09/11/13 09:46 AM (10 years, 4 months ago) |
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Patlal said:
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memes said: Legalize all of the undocumented workers - that'll help the income tax base, and the dependency ratio.
Taxing the rich does nothing to help the poor, it only makes the poor less self-reliant.
Americans live paycheck-to-paycheck because of the unnecessary luxuries, as Gilg pointed out. If i only paid rent and ate food, I'd have lots of cash. But i pay rent, eat food, eat out, go to concerts, go to happy hours, binge drink, go on vacations, and attend tons of music festivals.
So, i live paycheck to paycheck.
What's the point of life if you can't have some fun once in a while?
There is nothing wrong with having fun its just finding a way to do it in which you don't spend as much money. Alot of my friends are broke all the time and whine about how they don't get paid enough. They make enough to get drunk and high everynight if they cut that out they could start saving and investing but oh noes I have to make sacrfices!
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Re: 76% of Americans live paycheck to paycheck [Re: Gilgamesh18]
#18827097 - 09/11/13 09:48 AM (10 years, 4 months ago) |
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76% of threads about the us economy are made by people who dont live in the us.
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Re: 76% of Americans live paycheck to paycheck [Re: ModestMouse]
#18827101 - 09/11/13 09:49 AM (10 years, 4 months ago) |
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ModestMouse said: 76% of threads about the us economy are made by people who dont live in the us.
HA that to although Canada is bascially like our little brother so I'll give the canadians a free pass when talking about us.
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BlindSophist said: I actually have a better idea-- tax the employers of undocumented workers for exactly the sum of money they save on paychecks by hiring undocumented workers.
That idea makes too much sense, and defeats the very idea of getting rich for hiring cheap labor.
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Re: 76% of Americans live paycheck to paycheck [Re: qman]
#18827114 - 09/11/13 09:56 AM (10 years, 4 months ago) |
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BlindSophist said: I actually have a better idea-- tax the employers of undocumented workers for exactly the sum of money they save on paychecks by hiring undocumented workers.
That idea makes too much sense, and defeats the very idea of getting rich for hiring cheap labor. 
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Re: 76% of Americans live paycheck to paycheck [Re: Patlal]
#18827117 - 09/11/13 09:58 AM (10 years, 4 months ago) |
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Patlal said: You can truly say that the rich are holding the poor by the balls. 3/4 of the nations would be in serious trouble if an unexpected expense were to happen or if they lost their job. 50% have less than a three months cushion and 27% have no savings at all.
Basically, the US can't afford another hiccup because odds are it will be fatal. The thing is, we all know there's gonna be a hiccup soon. It's inevitable. So, what should the US do?
- Raise the minimum salary? - Lower taxes? - Government handouts? - Tax the rich and give to the poor? - Do nothing and see what happens?
How many banks would go into bankruptcy if suddenly 50% of their customers defaulted on their mortgage and loans? How many credit card companies would stay afloat in nobody can afford to pay their balance in full at the end of the month?
Surely families can find way to stretch their paychecks, there must be a way that they can limit their expenses right? It's getting to the point where it's eat little, work long hours, do nothing and then sleep. Repeat until you die. Basically slavery.
Anyways, it isn't really better elsewhere either. I just wanted to remind you of the fucked up world our parents left for us to live in.
In what way is this a function of any behavior by the rich? It is spending by the rich that creates jobs for the rest. Eat little? We're a fat nation. Obviously we aren't eating little.
Stop whining and get to work.
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Re: 76% of Americans live paycheck to paycheck [Re: zappaisgod]
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we just need to keep lowering the effective tax rates for the rich, its obviously working.
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#18827127 - 09/11/13 10:03 AM (10 years, 4 months ago) |
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The Ecstatic said: we just need to keep lowering the effective tax rates for the rich, its obviously working.
They already pay far more of the tax bill than they earn of the income. Most of the population are freeloadiers.
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Re: 76% of Americans live paycheck to paycheck [Re: Gilgamesh18]
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ModestMouse said: 76% of threads about the us economy are made by people who dont live in the us.
HA that to although Canada is bascially like our little brother so I'll give the canadians a free pass when talking about us.
Now, that's not right.
They're our bitch.
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Re: 76% of Americans live paycheck to paycheck [Re: luvdemshrooms]
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Gilgamesh18 said:
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ModestMouse said: 76% of threads about the us economy are made by people who dont live in the us.
HA that to although Canada is bascially like our little brother so I'll give the canadians a free pass when talking about us.
Now, that's not right.
They're our bitch.
Thats what I said
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Re: 76% of Americans live paycheck to paycheck [Re: Gilgamesh18]
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Your little brother is your bitch? You must be Canadian.
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Re: 76% of Americans live paycheck to paycheck [Re: Patlal]
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IMO, we put our money where we find value - that place just so happens to be entertainment. Those in the entertainment industry make BIG bucks compared to those who are doing work to further us as competent individuals (I'm talking about public teachers, mostly). IDK. I think if you make it mandatory for a child to attend school & then fail to teach him the soft skills he needs to maintain his well-being, well, it's a no brainer why we're in this situation.
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Re: 76% of Americans live paycheck to paycheck [Re: Penelope_Tree]
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Teachers here quite a decent paycheck
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Re: 76% of Americans live paycheck to paycheck [Re: zappaisgod]
#18827252 - 09/11/13 10:56 AM (10 years, 4 months ago) |
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I was making minimum wage at the beggining of the year and I didn't save up shit, I spent all my money buying beer and hanging out with my friends, I'm going to get a job now living at my parents house and it'll be another four months before I can buy a shitty car that isn't 15 years old.
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You just said the solution to the economy's problems is to tax undocumented workers.
Nope, i said one potential solution to our economy's dependency ratio problems would be to legitimize our country's undocumented workforce.
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So adding more unskilled workers into a already saturated labor pool is a solution? Low skilled US citizens (mostly minorities) are already suffering and don't need more competition for lower wages.
Bringing in more illegal cheap workers HURTS the tax base, guess who use the hospitals, schools, and criminal justice system? Illegal workers and their tax base would never compensate for their true costs to society.
They're here, they're working, they're going to school, they're going to the hospital. They're already sucking your tax dollars. Will 100% of the undocumented workers immediately be in a situation where they are earning enough to pay federal income tax? Probably not. However, their kids - now having full access to the American dream - may certainly achieve that point.
No solution will fix our economy immediately. There are things we can be doing now to make the path down teh road a little more smooth.
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Re: 76% of Americans live paycheck to paycheck [Re: memes]
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What you guys should do is make a really broad and precise study on viable investments the federal government could massively invest in. Even if that study costs the taxpayers a billion dollars, its gonna worth every penny when business experts find high paying investments. Sure the government isn't a business, but I think it's about time somebody tries to make the gvmt turn in a profit. Something like building apartment building and selling it off on the market. On sitting on and collect rent. Sure it'll take away opportunities for businessmen to it themselves but their just gonna have to bite the bullet on this one. Country first, individuals second.
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Re: 76% of Americans live paycheck to paycheck [Re: memes]
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Allowing the law breaking scum to be legitimized will be of no help at all and will encourage more scum to ignore our laws. Further they are depressing wages for the bottom income group. Pay taxes? They don't fucking make enough money to pay taxes even if they filed.
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Re: 76% of Americans live paycheck to paycheck [Re: zappaisgod]
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Really? I'm in a small rural area and the teachers I know make 30-40k. That's pretty low, imo. I know they get perks like summer months off & winter break, plus all recognized holidays, so there's that. I guess I'm just sort of disgusted with the school system in general, from its curriculum to the way it "teaches to the test." I understand there are alternatives that seem to be getting around what is a roadblock to most public schools here, but those alternatives are taking money from the public school system district in which they operate (from what I understand). It seems to be fixing the problem in one sense, but making it worse in another.
I also heard a statistic that America trains 3x the amount of teachers that it needs, which waters down the market. In other countries, teacher selection is as stringent as getting into med school. I think the private sector is picking up the public slack (parents hiring private teachers @ 50$/hour), but it still leaves a large percentage of the population at a disadvantage.... and even more so when that undereducated percentage becomes adults.
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Re: 76% of Americans live paycheck to paycheck [Re: Penelope_Tree]
#18827597 - 09/11/13 12:33 PM (10 years, 4 months ago) |
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In other news, 24% of the workforce tries really hard and is rewarded for it.
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Re: 76% of Americans live paycheck to paycheck [Re: Penelope_Tree]
#18827707 - 09/11/13 01:00 PM (10 years, 4 months ago) |
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zappaisgod said: Teachers here quite a decent paycheck
Really? I'm in a small rural area and the teachers I know make 30-40k. That's pretty low, imo. I know they get perks like summer months off & winter break, plus all recognized holidays, so there's that. I guess I'm just sort of disgusted with the school system in general, from its curriculum to the way it "teaches to the test." I understand there are alternatives that seem to be getting around what is a roadblock to most public schools here, but those alternatives are taking money from the public school system district in which they operate (from what I understand). It seems to be fixing the problem in one sense, but making it worse in another.
I also heard a statistic that America trains 3x the amount of teachers that it needs, which waters down the market. In other countries, teacher selection is as stringent as getting into med school. I think the private sector is picking up the public slack (parents hiring private teachers @ 50$/hour), but it still leaves a large percentage of the population at a disadvantage.... and even more so when that undereducated percentage becomes adults.
http://www.teachersalaryinfo.com/new-york/teacher-salary-in-mamaroneck-union-free-school-district/
You live in a small rural area and you think 30-40K is low? The average income for the entire country is around $49K http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/02/21/tax-returns-2012-anatomy-average-american-taxpayer_n_1291995.html. That includes places that far more expensive to live in than where you are. It's quite enough.
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Re: 76% of Americans live paycheck to paycheck [Re: NWlight]
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So are any of you actually content with this type of systematic structure? Do you find yourselves not really paying much attention to it as a whole and only focus on your nuclear surroundings?
I personally see this type of system flawed when it comes to any type of spiritual or cultural evolution. I look to the past events of specific types of ideals in various societies and can kind of foresee that ultimately this type of system isn't going to last into the future due to its unstable structure. It doesn't really benefit or provide any means of overall growth for anyone personally or as a whole. It's like a system of existing outside of the natural laws of life that is more destructive as a whole rather than balanced.
I guess my expectations for people are high due to what i see as roadblocks of personal and universal potential. I've come to personally understand that there is no such thing as a pinnacle to potential energy. The ups and downs seem to be due to a cyclical nature of all things, yet i don't see this as a barrier. It's kind of like learning from the past to presently constructively create for the future in balance with natural law. I don't believe that life is intended to work for another person for money, for technological items or anything of the sort. I think collectively if we all had a similar ideal of worldwide growth by working with each other as equals instead of working against each other for superficial titles or what someone believes to be "success". I don't know if i'm in a current timeline of history that will ultimately push these current types of ideals that potentially will lead to universal growth. I personally would like to see everyone living in a vibrational state of unconditional love with each other instead of what i feel like is a game of hell for many.
No one human truly rules over another or has dominance over another, naturally. Fear of death and fear of life and its 'security' has pushed these fundamental ideals onto humanity. It's a fucking illusion and i hope one day, myself or another will discover death as something similar to going to sleep, dreaming and waking up to prove that life itself is a gift. I think the fear of death or imprisonment truly prevents this type of potential growth. That it is scaled and reflective on all levels and that we as an individual earth is just a flash of truly everything that exists.
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Re: 76% of Americans live paycheck to paycheck [Re: jvm] 1
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I believe there is probably a fairly high correlation between societal wealth and rejection of nebulous nonsense such as "spirit" and "soul".
Competition is the mother of innovation. Get over it. I don't want to be your pal and work with you for some nonsensical goal of unicorn oneness. Get busy and make something other people want. Sweat lodges and their ilk, though lucrative for some scam artists, are just that. Scams for shmucks.
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Re: 76% of Americans live paycheck to paycheck [Re: jvm]
#18827748 - 09/11/13 01:13 PM (10 years, 4 months ago) |
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jvm said: So are any of you actually content with this type of systematic structure? Do you find yourselves not really paying much attention to it as a whole and only focus on your nuclear surroundings?
I personally see this type of system flawed when it comes to any type of spiritual or cultural evolution. I look to the past events of specific types of ideals in various societies and can kind of foresee that ultimately this type of system isn't going to last into the future due to its unstable structure. It doesn't really benefit or provide any means of overall growth for anyone personally or as a whole. It's like a system of existing outside of the natural laws of life that is more destructive as a whole rather than balanced.
I guess my expectations for people are high due to what i see as roadblocks of personal and universal potential. I've come to personally understand that there is no such thing as a pinnacle to potential energy. The ups and downs seem to be due to a cyclical nature of all things, yet i don't see this as a barrier. It's kind of like learning from the past to presently constructively create for the future in balance with natural law. I don't believe that life is intended to work for another person for money, for technological items or anything of the sort. I think collectively if we all had a similar ideal of worldwide growth by working with each other as equals instead of working against each other for superficial titles or what someone believes to be "success". I don't know if i'm in a current timeline of history that will ultimately push these current types of ideals that potentially will lead to universal growth. I personally would like to see everyone living in a vibrational state of unconditional love with each other instead of what i feel like is a game of hell for many.
No one human truly rules over another or has dominance over another, naturally. Fear of death and fear of life and its 'security' has pushed these fundamental ideals onto humanity. It's a fucking illusion and i hope one day, myself or another will discover death as something similar to going to sleep, dreaming and waking up to prove that life itself is a gift. I think the fear of death or imprisonment truly prevents this type of potential growth. That it is scaled and reflective on all levels and that we as an individual earth is just a flash of truly everything that exists.
Thats a nice sentiment you have however the current system we have is the best we can do. It is the most fair and equitable way of providing a high standard of living.
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Re: 76% of Americans live paycheck to paycheck [Re: zappaisgod]
#18827885 - 09/11/13 01:47 PM (10 years, 4 months ago) |
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zappaisgod said: You live in a small rural area and you think 30-40K is low? .... It's quite enough.
All I'm saying is that money is a powerful motivator. Plus, they rarely have a say in what they are able to teach. So, it's probably beyond their control - even if they were being paid more than "enough," they'd still have to follow (what I guess are federal) guidelines. Soft skills, like financial responsibility, aren't required by the guidelines and teachers already have a full plate when it comes to what they have to make sure kids can parrot back on a test. So it gets left out.
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Re: 76% of Americans live paycheck to paycheck [Re: VivaLaMushie]
#18827922 - 09/11/13 01:59 PM (10 years, 4 months ago) |
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VivaLaMushie said: It makes me sick hearing that an actor or actress made 30+ million dollars last year or make that each year.
Ya really need that much? Lol
Floyd Mayweather (boxer) will make a record setting 41.5 million dollars this Saturday night when he steps into the ring. Doesn't matter if he wins or loses. 12 three minute rounds (if it goes that far). 36 minutes total and by the time the final bell rings or someone gets knocked out he'll have an additional 41 and a half million dollars sitting in his bank account. Let that sink in for a second.
http://espn.go.com/boxing/story/_/id/9662239/floyd-mayweather-record-415m-purse-finalized
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Re: 76% of Americans live paycheck to paycheck [Re: Niffla]
#18827928 - 09/11/13 02:00 PM (10 years, 4 months ago) |
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VivaLaMushie said: It makes me sick hearing that an actor or actress made 30+ million dollars last year or make that each year.
Ya really need that much? Lol
Floyd Mayweather (boxer) will make a record setting 41.5 million dollars this Saturday night when he steps into the ring. Doesn't matter if he wins or loses. 12 three minute rounds (if it goes that far). 36 minutes total and by the time the final bell rings or someone gets knocked out he'll have an additional 41 and a half million dollars sitting in his bank account. Let that sink in for a second.
http://espn.go.com/boxing/story/_/id/9662239/floyd-mayweather-record-415m-purse-finalized
Fuck me man if I could have a measly 5 million Id be set for life
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Re: 76% of Americans live paycheck to paycheck [Re: Niffla]
#18827934 - 09/11/13 02:02 PM (10 years, 4 months ago) |
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VivaLaMushie said: It makes me sick hearing that an actor or actress made 30+ million dollars last year or make that each year.
Ya really need that much? Lol
Floyd Mayweather (boxer) will make a record setting 41.5 million dollars this Saturday night when he steps into the ring. Doesn't matter if he wins or loses. 12 three minute rounds (if it goes that far). 36 minutes total and by the time the final bell rings or someone gets knocked out he'll have an additional 41 and a half million dollars sitting in his bank account. Let that sink in for a second.
http://espn.go.com/boxing/story/_/id/9662239/floyd-mayweather-record-415m-purse-finalized
I see nothing wrong with this. That money is only a fraction of what he made for other people. As long as people keep watching movies and sporting events that money is well deserved.
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Re: 76% of Americans live paycheck to paycheck [Re: muistrue]
#18827938 - 09/11/13 02:04 PM (10 years, 4 months ago) |
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VivaLaMushie said: It makes me sick hearing that an actor or actress made 30+ million dollars last year or make that each year.
Ya really need that much? Lol
Floyd Mayweather (boxer) will make a record setting 41.5 million dollars this Saturday night when he steps into the ring. Doesn't matter if he wins or loses. 12 three minute rounds (if it goes that far). 36 minutes total and by the time the final bell rings or someone gets knocked out he'll have an additional 41 and a half million dollars sitting in his bank account. Let that sink in for a second.
http://espn.go.com/boxing/story/_/id/9662239/floyd-mayweather-record-415m-purse-finalized
I see nothing wrong with this. That money is only a fraction of what he made other people. As long as people keep watching movies and sporting events that money is well deserved.
Never said there was anything wrong with it. Just saying that 41 and a half million dollars for a single night's performance is pretty fucking mind blowing.
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Re: 76% of Americans live paycheck to paycheck [Re: Niffla]
#18827944 - 09/11/13 02:06 PM (10 years, 4 months ago) |
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I was referring to the other comment saying it made them sick that entertainers earn that much money.
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Re: 76% of Americans live paycheck to paycheck [Re: muistrue]
#18827950 - 09/11/13 02:08 PM (10 years, 4 months ago) |
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Re: 76% of Americans live paycheck to paycheck [Re: Niffla]
#18827985 - 09/11/13 02:18 PM (10 years, 4 months ago) |
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I think if you spend more then half on a months rent there's something wrong with this country.
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Re: 76% of Americans live paycheck to paycheck [Re: Konyap]
#18828010 - 09/11/13 02:24 PM (10 years, 4 months ago) |
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aiyobro said: I think if you spend more then half on a months rent there's something wrong with this country.
Let's assume the average rate in the US is 7.25 per hour. Average week 40 hours. That's an average of 1256$ per month. Half of that would be 628$.
So as soon as a minimum wage worker has to pay 628$ per month, there's something wrong.
I charge 525$ per room in my house. There's no way you can get a decent apartment for under 800$ here. I dunno for you guys, but that doesn't give a lot of breathing space
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Re: 76% of Americans live paycheck to paycheck [Re: Patlal]
#18828023 - 09/11/13 02:27 PM (10 years, 4 months ago) |
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It doesn't but I think you should be able to live no matter how shitty the job and I hate seeing people in my area charge so much for rent and I wonder why? If you have a son and you're a single mother there will be like 700$ small houses available but for everyone else it's bull crap. I did the math, I'd have to be working full time making 12-14 bucks an hour before I moved out. None of this dependent on other humans bullcrap...
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Re: 76% of Americans live paycheck to paycheck [Re: Patlal]
#18828026 - 09/11/13 02:27 PM (10 years, 4 months ago) |
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aiyobro said: I think if you spend more then half on a months rent there's something wrong with this country.
Let's assume the average rate in the US is 7.25 per hour. Average week 40 hours. That's an average of 1256$ per month. Half of that would be 628$.
So as soon as a minimum wage worker has to pay 628$ per month, there's something wrong.
I charge 525$ per room in my house. There's no way you can get a decent apartment for under 800$ here. I dunno for you guys, but that doesn't give a lot of breathing space
Who cares man if you are dumb enough to squander your measly pay you deserve to be poor. Life is not fair you are supposed to work for what you have nowhere in nature does it say you deserve free housing and food! Without darwininan competion we shall fail as a species.
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Re: 76% of Americans live paycheck to paycheck [Re: Gilgamesh18]
#18828036 - 09/11/13 02:29 PM (10 years, 4 months ago) |
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My state charges property taxes and such, we pay health unsurance for nimrods, car insurance for people that drive their cars dangerously etc.
No where in nature do I have to pay to squat somewhere or buy food lol.
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Re: 76% of Americans live paycheck to paycheck [Re: Konyap]
#18828041 - 09/11/13 02:30 PM (10 years, 4 months ago) |
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It's 12.50 to see a movie, that's like two hours of work min. wage
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Re: 76% of Americans live paycheck to paycheck [Re: Konyap]
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aiyobro said: My state charges property taxes and such, we pay health unsurance for nimrods, car insurance for people that drive their cars dangerously etc.
No where in nature do I have to pay to squat somewhere or buy food lol.
LOL all animals work for their food if you don't you starve that is a fact!
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Re: 76% of Americans live paycheck to paycheck [Re: Konyap]
#18828049 - 09/11/13 02:31 PM (10 years, 4 months ago) |
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aiyobro said: It's 12.50 to see a movie, that's like two hours of work min. wage
Then don't go to the movies!!
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Re: 76% of Americans live paycheck to paycheck [Re: Gilgamesh18]
#18828056 - 09/11/13 02:32 PM (10 years, 4 months ago) |
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aiyobro said: My state charges property taxes and such, we pay health unsurance for nimrods, car insurance for people that drive their cars dangerously etc.
No where in nature do I have to pay to squat somewhere or buy food lol.
LOL all animals work for their food if you don't you starve that is a fact!
yeah, they walk around and eat plants, hunt pack animals or live in fucking trees and eat fruits.
since the dawn of civilization everybody has worked but now if you're rich you exist in a place outside of this
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Re: 76% of Americans live paycheck to paycheck [Re: Konyap]
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aiyobro said: My state charges property taxes and such, we pay health unsurance for nimrods, car insurance for people that drive their cars dangerously etc.
No where in nature do I have to pay to squat somewhere or buy food lol.
LOL all animals work for their food if you don't you starve that is a fact!
yeah, they walk around and eat plants, hunt pack animals or live in fucking trees and eat fruits.
since the dawn of civilization everybody has worked but now if you're rich you exist in a place outside of this
So what! Who cares what the rich go through. If you are hungry in a western nation you are wasting your cash on drugs or other worthless frivolities.
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Re: 76% of Americans live paycheck to paycheck [Re: Konyap]
#18828063 - 09/11/13 02:34 PM (10 years, 4 months ago) |
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aiyobro said: It's 12.50 to see a movie, that's like two hours of work min. wage
Make sure the movie is at least 2 hours long
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Re: 76% of Americans live paycheck to paycheck [Re: Gilgamesh18]
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No where in nature do I have to pay to squat somewhere or buy food lol.
LOL all animals work for their food if you don't you starve that is a fact!
yeah, they walk around and eat plants, hunt pack animals or live in fucking trees and eat fruits.
since the dawn of civilization everybody has worked but now if you're rich you exist in a place outside of this
So what! Who cares what the rich go through. If you are hungry in a western nation you are wasting your cash on drugs or other worthless frivolities.
Did you even read the topic at all?
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Re: 76% of Americans live paycheck to paycheck [Re: Konyap]
#18828078 - 09/11/13 02:38 PM (10 years, 4 months ago) |
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My friend who has been working since he was 17 in REAL JOBS still lives with his mom and he bought his 2nd car recently from a highschooler.
What the fuck is up with that? Frivoulous spending
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Re: 76% of Americans live paycheck to paycheck [Re: zappaisgod]
#18828081 - 09/11/13 02:38 PM (10 years, 4 months ago) |
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Big surprise you ended up here... If it doesn't involve money you generally don't post, why the fuck do you even come here other than to annoy people?
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Re: 76% of Americans live paycheck to paycheck [Re: zappaisgod]
#18828082 - 09/11/13 02:38 PM (10 years, 4 months ago) |
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zappaisgod said: They already pay far more of the tax bill than they earn of the income. Most of the population are freeloadiers.
And most of the freeloaders are that way because their minimum wage full time jobs still leave them below the poverty line. It's pretty funny that you say 49k is plenty, when that's just barely double what is considered living in poverty in this country.
Any money we give to the poor gets spent- put into the economy, passed around, helping everyone. Any money we leave to the rich gets sent to the cayman islands, or given to other rich people in the form of $100million bonuses.
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Re: 76% of Americans live paycheck to paycheck [Re: Konyap]
#18828086 - 09/11/13 02:39 PM (10 years, 4 months ago) |
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Which brings up the question. What is a unreal job?
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zappaisgod said: They already pay far more of the tax bill than they earn of the income. Most of the population are freeloadiers.
And most of the freeloaders are that way because their minimum wage full time jobs still leave them below the poverty line. It's pretty funny that you say 49k is plenty, when that's just barely double what is considered living in poverty in this country.
Any money we give to the poor gets spent- put into the economy, passed around, helping everyone. Any money we leave to the rich gets sent to the cayman islands, or given to other rich people in the form of $100million bonuses.
LOL how much do you think burger flippers should make if a braindead idoit can do it we should he get a decent wage! THAT is an insult to skilled workers everywere.
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Re: 76% of Americans live paycheck to paycheck [Re: Patlal]
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Let's assume the average rate in the US is 7.25 per hour. Average week 40 hours. That's an average of 1256$ per month. Half of that would be 628$.
So as soon as a minimum wage worker has to pay 628$ per month, there's something wrong.
I charge 525$ per room in my house. There's no way you can get a decent apartment for under 800$ here. I dunno for you guys, but that doesn't give a lot of breathing space
Why would you assume the average wage to be the minimum wage? I looked it up earlier and the average income for a tax filer in the US is around 50G. Most minimum wage earners are probably living in their mom's basement.
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Re: 76% of Americans live paycheck to paycheck [Re: Patlal]
#18828107 - 09/11/13 02:43 PM (10 years, 4 months ago) |
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Patlal said: Which brings up the question. What is a unreal job?
Well he's going for a business degree so he has had jobs working in business'
He can go up to his boss and ask for a 2 dollar raise after a few months...
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Re: 76% of Americans live paycheck to paycheck [Re: Gilgamesh18]
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And most of the freeloaders are that way because their minimum wage full time jobs still leave them below the poverty line. It's pretty funny that you say 49k is plenty, when that's just barely double what is considered living in poverty in this country.
Any money we give to the poor gets spent- put into the economy, passed around, helping everyone. Any money we leave to the rich gets sent to the cayman islands, or given to other rich people in the form of $100million bonuses.
LOL how much do you think burger flippers should make if a braindead idoit can do it we should he get a decent wage! THAT is an insult to skilled workers everywere.
So why don't they do it?
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Re: 76% of Americans live paycheck to paycheck [Re: Lynnch]
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zappaisgod said: They already pay far more of the tax bill than they earn of the income. Most of the population are freeloadiers.
And most of the freeloaders are that way because their minimum wage full time jobs still leave them below the poverty line. It's pretty funny that you say 49k is plenty, when that's just barely double what is considered living in poverty in this country.
Any money we give to the poor gets spent- put into the economy, passed around, helping everyone. Any money we leave to the rich gets sent to the cayman islands, or given to other rich people in the form of $100million bonuses.
LOL. Then the exact same argument can be made for the money the 1 percenters spend. Money you leave to the rich? Who the fuck do you think you are that you leave any money to anybody, Komrade? And we pay the taxes here, pal, not the bums. Cayman Islands my ass.
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Re: 76% of Americans live paycheck to paycheck [Re: Konyap]
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zappaisgod said: They already pay far more of the tax bill than they earn of the income. Most of the population are freeloadiers.
And most of the freeloaders are that way because their minimum wage full time jobs still leave them below the poverty line. It's pretty funny that you say 49k is plenty, when that's just barely double what is considered living in poverty in this country.
Any money we give to the poor gets spent- put into the economy, passed around, helping everyone. Any money we leave to the rich gets sent to the cayman islands, or given to other rich people in the form of $100million bonuses.
LOL how much do you think burger flippers should make if a braindead idoit can do it we should he get a decent wage! THAT is an insult to skilled workers everywere.
So why don't they do it?
Not everyone is equal in skill and ability and WAGES REFLECT that. Sorry man life is not fair I am insulted that unskilled labor demand unrealistic wages.
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Re: 76% of Americans live paycheck to paycheck [Re: zappaisgod]
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Let's assume the average rate in the US is 7.25 per hour. Average week 40 hours. That's an average of 1256$ per month. Half of that would be 628$.
So as soon as a minimum wage worker has to pay 628$ per month, there's something wrong.
I charge 525$ per room in my house. There's no way you can get a decent apartment for under 800$ here. I dunno for you guys, but that doesn't give a lot of breathing space
Why would you assume the average wage to be the minimum wage? I looked it up earlier and the average income for a tax filer in the US is around 50G. Most minimum wage earners are probably living in their mom's basement.
Average minimum wage I meant
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zappaisgod said: They already pay far more of the tax bill than they earn of the income. Most of the population are freeloadiers.
And most of the freeloaders are that way because their minimum wage full time jobs still leave them below the poverty line. It's pretty funny that you say 49k is plenty, when that's just barely double what is considered living in poverty in this country.
Any money we give to the poor gets spent- put into the economy, passed around, helping everyone. Any money we leave to the rich gets sent to the cayman islands, or given to other rich people in the form of $100million bonuses.
LOL how much do you think burger flippers should make if a braindead idoit can do it we should he get a decent wage! THAT is an insult to skilled workers everywere.
So why don't they do it?
They're too busy whining on the Shroomery about how low minimum wage is
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Re: 76% of Americans live paycheck to paycheck [Re: zappaisgod]
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Re: 76% of Americans live paycheck to paycheck [Re: luvdemshrooms]
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What do you do for a living zappa?
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Re: 76% of Americans live paycheck to paycheck [Re: luvdemshrooms]
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Minimum wage is a joke. I heard that here it's $8/ hour. There's no way anyone can live comfortably on that unless as said above they live in moms basement.
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Re: 76% of Americans live paycheck to paycheck [Re: Gilgamesh18]
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Why is it that a position that gets like 20 applications everytime a spot open's that we have to go through this 50 cen raise per year bull crap.
Just because something is easy to do, doesn't mean someone is putting less energy into their work then someone else.
I'm not saying they should get a 40k salary for coming home from work and playing videogames, it's just that you don't get Full time in most jobs and they're paying the bottom of the barrel, most jobs being made available do this, people who graduate from college go through this if they live in the middle of bumble fuck.
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Re: 76% of Americans live paycheck to paycheck [Re: muistrue]
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Which is bullshit as I said earlier my friend works at real business and lives with his mom and just bought his car from a highschooler 5 years younger then him..
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Which is bullshit as I said earlier my friend works at real business and lives with his mom and just bought his car from a highschooler 5 years younger then him..
Its bullshit that socialists like you expect high wages for unskilled labor that is how corporations and nations collapse!
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People who slave away at minimum wage jobs are dumb. This is America, live the American dream and work for yourself and make some real money. Anyone with a good head on their shoulders can do it.
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Re: 76% of Americans live paycheck to paycheck [Re: muistrue]
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The problem is that 95% of the population think as employees. To them, the only viable way to make money is to get a job. If they can't find a job, they can't think of anything else except crime.
They seem to forget that business is the best way to go. But either they don't know what kind of business to start or they don't have the knowledge or money needed to do it.
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Re: 76% of Americans live paycheck to paycheck [Re: Patlal]
#18828196 - 09/11/13 02:59 PM (10 years, 4 months ago) |
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Re: 76% of Americans live paycheck to paycheck [Re: Patlal]
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Patlal said: The problem is that 95% of the population think as employees. To them, the only viable way to make money is to get a job. If they can't find a job, they can't think of anything else except crime.
They seem to forget that business is the best way to go. But either they don't know what kind of business to start or they don't have the knowledge or money needed to do it.
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Re: 76% of Americans live paycheck to paycheck [Re: Gilgamesh18]
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Which is bullshit as I said earlier my friend works at real business and lives with his mom and just bought his car from a highschooler 5 years younger then him..
Its bullshit that socialists like you expect high wages for unskilled labor that is how corporations and nations collapse!
That is so fucking retarded, living wage does not equal overpaid. We have billionaires in this country, if it bothers them that much, maybe they're being selfish pricks.
German factory workers get like 60$perhour Here they're hiring people and just starting to bump them up to 50$ after previously 30$ I'm complaining because someone out of highschool is getting a shitty 7.25$ per hour job and you people think that's normal. You sound like you've never managered for a fast food place, maybe in bumble fuck it's ok to pay 5.25. because no one charges that amount of money and there's no property tax but where I live that's bullshit. Especially working at a fast food place that has such high demand, they aren't going to collapse if they pay their fucking spanish workers who've been working there 10 years 12 dollars an hour.
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Re: 76% of Americans live paycheck to paycheck [Re: Gilgamesh18]
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Gilgamesh18 said: LOL how much do you think burger flippers should make if a braindead idoit can do it we should he get a decent wage! THAT is an insult to skilled workers everywere.
The owners of that multimillion dollar earning company rely on their workers to create and sell their product. Without those workers, they would be nothing. I think it's fair that workers be compensated enough to cover their basic needs. The insult is that our overlords believe skilled work to only be worth a fraction more than unskilled work, and moreover, that spending the majority of your time on either still should not earn you a stable life.
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Re: 76% of Americans live paycheck to paycheck [Re: Lynnch]
#18828209 - 09/11/13 03:02 PM (10 years, 4 months ago) |
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Exactly they're making 85% profit on every fucking dollar burger
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Re: 76% of Americans live paycheck to paycheck [Re: Patlal]
#18828216 - 09/11/13 03:05 PM (10 years, 4 months ago) |
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Patlal said: The problem is that 95% of the population think as employees. To them, the only viable way to make money is to get a job. If they can't find a job, they can't think of anything else except crime.
They seem to forget that business is the best way to go. But either they don't know what kind of business to start or they don't have the knowledge or money needed to do it.
Here is what I'm seeing. Almost no non-immigrants going into the sweat fields. Not plumbing not carpentry not masonry not HVAC not electrical. These are all good paying fields that can also lead to self employment at a young age with a low capital investment. I'm really not interested in anybody whining that there are no jobs. Kick the illegals out and there are jobs for everybody who belongs here. That is if they want them and I'm not so sure that they do.
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Re: 76% of Americans live paycheck to paycheck [Re: zappaisgod]
#18828223 - 09/11/13 03:07 PM (10 years, 4 months ago) |
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Firstly, I guess I am pretty lucky.. I am not wealthy, but I am self employed (Android app developer), own my home, land and vehicle outright and have a deep water well on my property so I have no monthly bills except electricity and trash (and I am thinking about putting in solar/wind and making burn and compost piles, so.... then there will only be taxes)... I do not feel the need to have a larger home or to compete with the joneses.. pretty happy with things actually.
I 'deserve' almost none of this... I really have been quite lucky in life. It would take too long to list all of the ways which luck has played a part in me having what I have.
Secondly, if you have a computer, internet access, and can read and understand this post, you are pretty lucky too. And you likely have no idea what real poverty is.
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Re: 76% of Americans live paycheck to paycheck [Re: Gilgamesh18]
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zappaisgod said: They already pay far more of the tax bill than they earn of the income. Most of the population are freeloadiers.
And most of the freeloaders are that way because their minimum wage full time jobs still leave them below the poverty line. It's pretty funny that you say 49k is plenty, when that's just barely double what is considered living in poverty in this country.
Any money we give to the poor gets spent- put into the economy, passed around, helping everyone. Any money we leave to the rich gets sent to the cayman islands, or given to other rich people in the form of $100million bonuses.
LOL how much do you think burger flippers should make if a braindead idoit can do it we should he get a decent wage! THAT is an insult to skilled workers everywere.
So why don't they do it?
Not everyone is equal in skill and ability and WAGES REFLECT that. Sorry man life is not fair I am insulted that unskilled labor demand unrealistic wages.
"insulted that unskilled labor demand unrealistic wages."
Well, this is where the problem lies for developed economies today, the fact that unskilled labor wages have fallen off a cliff.
My grandparents were all unskilled labor/trained on the job workers, yet they were able to earn strong real wages and accumulate vast sums of wealth.
When we have a tight labor market, wages remain strong and profitability suffers to some extent, today we have the complete opposite, a massive surplus of unskilled workers and huge profitability at the top.
What do you suggest developed economies do with their huge surplus of unskilled workers today and in the future? Pay them even lower wages ($1-3.00 per hour) to compete with a global market? Or ship them overseas to work?
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It's not like we have a shortage of food. It's not like we have a shortage of housing. It's not like we have a shortage of labor to grow it or build it. It's not like the rich don't make enough of a profit. If they shared more of the profits with those who make it for them, we would buy more food and housing, and give them more profit. Everybody wins.
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Re: 76% of Americans live paycheck to paycheck [Re: Lynnch]
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I'm white as heck, would never work construction and all the people in it seem to want to get out of it. They only reccomend like skilled positions and they say it's sought after. I'm pretty sure the highschool dropouts aren't going to work at McDonalds.
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Re: 76% of Americans live paycheck to paycheck [Re: Lynnch]
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The owners of that multimillion dollar earning company rely on their workers to create and sell their product. Without those workers, they would be nothing. I think it's fair that workers be compensated enough to cover their basic needs. The insult is that our overlords believe skilled work to only be worth a fraction more than unskilled work, and moreover, that spending the majority of your time on either still should not earn you a stable life.
K start your own business and pay what you think is a fair wage I gurantee you will go out of business!
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Re: 76% of Americans live paycheck to paycheck [Re: Gilgamesh18]
#18828288 - 09/11/13 03:18 PM (10 years, 4 months ago) |
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Re: 76% of Americans live paycheck to paycheck [Re: Lynnch]
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No what you fail to see is if your system was implemented who the heck would innovate or even work for that matter. The only way for your socialist society to work would be at gunpoint since everyone getting handouts would lead to a collapse. Socialism will usher in a tyranny.
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Re: 76% of Americans live paycheck to paycheck [Re: Konyap]
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Minimum wage is ten bucks in Alberta lol.
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Schmendrick said: Firstly, I guess I am pretty lucky.. I am not wealthy, but I am self employed (Android app developer), own my home, land and vehicle outright and have a deep water well on my property so I have no monthly bills except electricity and trash (and I am thinking about putting in solar/wind and making burn and compost piles, so.... then there will only be taxes)... I do not feel the need to have a larger home or to compete with the joneses.. pretty happy with things actually.
I 'deserve' almost none of this... I really have been quite lucky in life. It would take too long to list all of the ways which luck has played a part in me having what I have.
Secondly, if you have a computer, internet access, and can read and understand this post, you are pretty lucky too. And you likely have no idea what real poverty is.
You deserve all of it. My parents gave me a useless college degree and 2K when I graduated. I have not been lucky. I have, however, been broke. I muddled through.
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Grow your food.
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Re: 76% of Americans live paycheck to paycheck [Re: zappaisgod]
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Are college degrees a waste of time and money these days?
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Re: 76% of Americans live paycheck to paycheck [Re: Konyap]
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I'm sure you wouldn't
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Re: 76% of Americans live paycheck to paycheck [Re: Bitter Cactus]
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Re: 76% of Americans live paycheck to paycheck [Re: Bitter Cactus]
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Re: 76% of Americans live paycheck to paycheck [Re: muistrue]
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Re: 76% of Americans live paycheck to paycheck [Re: Patlal]
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Patlal said: The problem is that 95% of the population think as employees. To them, the only viable way to make money is to get a job. If they can't find a job, they can't think of anything else except crime.
They seem to forget that business is the best way to go. But either they don't know what kind of business to start or they don't have the knowledge or money needed to do it.
If they can't find a job, they likely don't have relative skills. If they can't think of a business to start, they'd likely not do well if they did
I saw this national fast food worker strike recently. People all over the country demanding $15/hr for flipping burgers and running cash registers. Motherfuckers, I make $22.50/hr after taxes. That's with a lifetime of school effort, free and horribly underpaid internships, and a masters degree. To think that I've put in all that effort, and that burger flippers are literally not going to work in hopes of increasing their wage up to $15 (before tax).... it makes me sick.
So yeah, fuck that bullshit.
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Minimum wage is ten bucks in Alberta lol.
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So much so that I'd go so far as to say it's a scam.
An associates degree is a fucking waste of money, they export those jobs overseas for 5 dollars (?)
Any other highly skilled/sought after job will have like 200 people turning in applications for one job.
If I get a BS at MY college I'll be alright, I'll have an o.k. wage and I can move up after a few years to make big bucks(for something that only handfuls of people graduate with every year)
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If I get a BS at MY college I'll be alright, I'll have an o.k. wage and I can move up after a few years to make big bucks(for something that only handfuls of people graduate with every year)
GL. put in work.
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Re: 76% of Americans live paycheck to paycheck [Re: zappaisgod]
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I 'deserve' almost none of this... I really have been quite lucky in life. It would take too long to list all of the ways which luck has played a part in me having what I have.
Secondly, if you have a computer, internet access, and can read and understand this post, you are pretty lucky too. And you likely have no idea what real poverty is.
You deserve all of it. My parents gave me a useless college degree and 2K when I graduated. I have not been lucky. I have, however, been broke. I muddled through.
How do you figure? I am quite lazy. Yes, I am self employed, but I make nowhere near enough money to justify having the sorts of things that I have. If you put all of the honest "work" I have ever done in my life and added it all together at $25 per hour, the sum total would come out to about 10% of the value of what I own at this moment through inheritance, friends, and sheer lucky breaks.
However, I am also quite happy with it, so don't expect me to give it all away
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Re: 76% of Americans live paycheck to paycheck [Re: muistrue]
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Re: 76% of Americans live paycheck to paycheck [Re: Patlal]
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Re rate in Canada is about 60%.... so its basically the same as America minus the super ghetto inner-city people who I don't really like to include in my own statistics
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Re: 76% of Americans live paycheck to paycheck [Re: zappaisgod]
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I dunno, I've been really fucking lucky man. When I was born, my family wasn't rich, but they are becoming really wealthy now. The luck I have been given is not that my parents have money, it's the knowledge the teach me from their experience. It's one hell of a head start in life. Soon I'll buy into my parents business and I'll follow their lead and provide whatever skill they might need.
I never understood jobs and working for a wage. I can't stand knowing that for every dollar the boss gives, he makes 10. I'm too selfish for that. I want the 10 and I'll pay you 1, that's how I work.
It's a damm shame that people with potential don't have anyone to teach them how to build a business. Personally, if I succeed in business like my parents it's going to be my duty to find a kid to take under my wings.
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Re: 76% of Americans live paycheck to paycheck [Re: twighead]
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Re: 76% of Americans live paycheck to paycheck [Re: Patlal]
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Re: 76% of Americans live paycheck to paycheck [Re: zappaisgod]
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Why? What did I do to get it besides being born? If someone with my work ethic had been born into poor circumstances, they would likely die homeless under a bridge by the age of 25.
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Re: 76% of Americans live paycheck to paycheck [Re: Patlal]
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It's actually 42%
Must be a super accurate statistic because I'm reading everything from 33-66%.
Of course this survey/study just came out so its the 'official' stat for america lolol.
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Re: 76% of Americans live paycheck to paycheck [Re: Schmendrick]
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Why? What did I do to get it besides being born? If someone with my work ethic had been born into poor circumstances, they would likely die homeless under a bridge by the age of 25.
Because they are your parents. They love you. If you were a piece of shit they might tell you to fuck off.
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Re: 76% of Americans live paycheck to paycheck [Re: twighead] 1
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you do realize that if minimum wage were increased, the price of things would just go up?
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Re: 76% of Americans live paycheck to paycheck [Re: blackglass6219]
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blackglass6219 said: you do realize that if minimum wage were increased, the price of things would just go up?
no, people completely forget this shit when they decide just giving poor people more money would fix anything.
then they go into other threads and complain about inflation.
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Re: 76% of Americans live paycheck to paycheck [Re: blackglass6219]
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Re: 76% of Americans live paycheck to paycheck [Re: blackglass6219]
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blackglass6219 said: you do realize that if minimum wage were increased, the price of things would just go up?
Nope. Some item aren't elastic. Therefore if the price go up, the sale goes down. You have to take elasticity in account before stating that the price will go up if wages go up.
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Re: 76% of Americans live paycheck to paycheck [Re: Patlal] 1
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The two are also not correlated with eachother. Minimum wage doesnt dictate what prices are charged for what. Supply and demand does.
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Re: 76% of Americans live paycheck to paycheck [Re: Bodhi of Ankou]
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Bodhi of Ankou said: The two are also not correlated with eachother. Minimum wage doesnt dictate what prices are charged for what. Supply and demand does.
Really? I don't know where you live but everywhere I've lived the prices did go up when minimum wage increased.
Seems the business owners (rightly) passed the cost of the wage increase on to their customers.
Funny thing, I do the same in my businesses.
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Re: 76% of Americans live paycheck to paycheck [Re: luvdemshrooms]
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By what degree? Also did this only occur in places where their employee base is strictly min wage employees or was it uniform?
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Re: 76% of Americans live paycheck to paycheck [Re: Patlal]
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Nope. Some item aren't elastic. Therefore if the price go up, the sale goes down. You have to take elasticity in account before stating that the price will go up if wages go up.
Price elasticity does not tie in to the effect of a minimum wage increase on the price of goods. Very few consumer items are Giffen Goods
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Re: 76% of Americans live paycheck to paycheck [Re: Bodhi of Ankou]
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Bodhi of Ankou said: The two are also not correlated with eachother. Minimum wage doesnt dictate what prices are charged for what. Supply and demand does.
Correct.
So when the demand for Good X stays the same, and the cost to supply Good X increases, we get a price increase.
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Re: 76% of Americans live paycheck to paycheck [Re: blackglass6219]
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blackglass6219 said: you do realize that if minimum wage were increased, the price of things would just go up?
Nonsense, that is like saying full employment is also inflationary, it's not true.
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Re: 76% of Americans live paycheck to paycheck [Re: qman]
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blackglass6219 said: you do realize that if minimum wage were increased, the price of things would just go up?
Nonsense, that is like saying full employment is also inflationary, it's not true.
his claim is not without merit, and please back up your argument to the contrary with something besides a simile. tell us why its not true.
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Re: 76% of Americans live paycheck to paycheck [Re: Bodhi of Ankou]
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Bodhi of Ankou said: By what degree? Also did this only occur in places where their employee base is strictly min wage employees or was it uniform?
Not a huge degree, but I know few people who when faced with an increase in their costs who do not pass it on to their customers.
I haven't owned a business that pays minimum in some time, but the members of the business groups I'm in all* raise their prices in similar circumstances.
* all = those I'm close enough to to discuss such things.
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Re: 76% of Americans live paycheck to paycheck [Re: memes]
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blackglass6219 said: you do realize that if minimum wage were increased, the price of things would just go up?
Nonsense, that is like saying full employment is also inflationary, it's not true.
his claim is not without merit, and please back up your argument to the contrary with something besides a simile. tell us why its not true.
He made the original assertion, let him back up his claim, and not just say "his claim is not without merit". I will be happy to defend my position when he starts to defend his claim.
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Re: 76% of Americans live paycheck to paycheck [Re: memes]
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Well, there are many ways in which hiking the minimum wage is not necessarily inflationary, here are just a few.
1. The business may simply reduce it's workforce, less workers does not create more demand.
2. Does the high profitability (from low wages) create inflation? Someone gets the money from the profit margin, are the wage earnings more inflationary than the shareholder profit?
3. Does more demand create higher prices? Maybe in the short term, but what is the best solution to higher prices? Higher prices!! Yes, before you know it, producers jump into the equation and supply increases in short order, remember the spike price in food commodities in 2010-11? Today, corn, wheat, sugar and other soft commodities are down in the dumps, farmers got all excited and produced more than enough to kill the price.
4. When does the producer/business hike prices when wages go higher? Only when they can, otherwise it's profitability that takes the hit. To say that an increase in wages automatically equates to an increase in the final product is false, in a competitive economic environment, the ability to have pricing power is difficult.
5. The % rate of profit margins- are a key part to the equation, today's corporate profit margins are at a all-time high, so there is plenty of room for higher wage growth without killing the bottom line. During the 1970's, wages were high (tight labor market) and profit margins were squeezed, stock prices were in the doghouse, yet the average US worker was doing just great.
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qman said: Well, there are many ways in which hiking the minimum wage is not necessarily inflationary, here are just a few.
1. The business may simply reduce it's workforce, less workers does not create more demand.
2. Does the high profitability (from low wages) create inflation? Someone gets the money from the profit margin, are the wage earnings more inflationary than the shareholder profit?
3. Does more demand create higher prices? Maybe in the short term, but what is the best solution to higher prices? Higher prices!! Yes, before you know it, producers jump into the equation and supply increases in short order, remember the spike price in food commodities in 2010-11? Today, corn, wheat, sugar and other soft commodities are down in the dumps, farmers got all excited and produced more than enough to kill the price.
4. When does the producer/business hike prices when wages go higher? Only when they can, otherwise it's profitability that takes the hit. To say that an increase in wages automatically equates to an increase in the final product is false, in a competitive economic environment, the ability to have pricing power is difficult.
5. The % rate of profit margins- are a key part to the equation, today's corporate profit margins are at a all-time high, so there is plenty of room for higher wage growth without killing the bottom line. During the 1970's, wages were high (tight labor market) and profit margins were squeezed, stock prices were in the doghouse, yet the average US worker was doing just great.
i'll just leave. thanks.
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Re: 76% of Americans live paycheck to paycheck [Re: memes]
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explain briefly in everyday language why it is facepalm worthy?
I'm a science geek I don't get a lot of this economics stuff
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Re: 76% of Americans live paycheck to paycheck [Re: luvdemshrooms]
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Not a huge degree, but I know few people who when faced with an increase in their costs who do not pass it on to their customers.
I haven't owned a business that pays minimum in some time, but the members of the business groups I'm in all* raise their prices in similar circumstances.
* all = those I'm close enough to to discuss such things.
So in other words it was completely sporadic and the belief that "well it'll just be compensated for with price increases" is false, is it not?
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Re: 76% of Americans live paycheck to paycheck [Re: memes]
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qman said: Well, there are many ways in which hiking the minimum wage is not necessarily inflationary, here are just a few.
1. The business may simply reduce it's workforce, less workers does not create more demand.
2. Does the high profitability (from low wages) create inflation? Someone gets the money from the profit margin, are the wage earnings more inflationary than the shareholder profit?
3. Does more demand create higher prices? Maybe in the short term, but what is the best solution to higher prices? Higher prices!! Yes, before you know it, producers jump into the equation and supply increases in short order, remember the spike price in food commodities in 2010-11? Today, corn, wheat, sugar and other soft commodities are down in the dumps, farmers got all excited and produced more than enough to kill the price.
4. When does the producer/business hike prices when wages go higher? Only when they can, otherwise it's profitability that takes the hit. To say that an increase in wages automatically equates to an increase in the final product is false, in a competitive economic environment, the ability to have pricing power is difficult.
5. The % rate of profit margins- are a key part to the equation, today's corporate profit margins are at a all-time high, so there is plenty of room for higher wage growth without killing the bottom line. During the 1970's, wages were high (tight labor market) and profit margins were squeezed, stock prices were in the doghouse, yet the average US worker was doing just great.
i'll just leave. thanks.
I guess my post was worth it then.
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Re: 76% of Americans live paycheck to paycheck [Re: qman]
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Yep! You're the smart!
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Re: 76% of Americans live paycheck to paycheck [Re: Bodhi of Ankou]
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Bodhi of Ankou said: By what degree? Also did this only occur in places where their employee base is strictly min wage employees or was it uniform?
Not a huge degree, but I know few people who when faced with an increase in their costs who do not pass it on to their customers.
I haven't owned a business that pays minimum in some time, but the members of the business groups I'm in all* raise their prices in similar circumstances.
* all = those I'm close enough to to discuss such things.
So in other words it was completely sporadic and the belief that "well it'll just be compensated for with price increases" is false, is it not?
No. It is not (IME). An increase in expenses is passed on to the consumer.
-------------------- You cannot legislate the poor into prosperity by legislating the wealthy out of prosperity. What one person receives without working for another person must work for without receiving. The government cannot give to anybody anything that the government does not first take from somebody else. When half of the people get the idea that they do not have to work because the other half is going to take care of them and when the other half gets the idea that it does no good to work because somebody else is going to get what they work for that my dear friend is the beginning of the end of any nation. You cannot multiply wealth by dividing it. ~ Adrian Rogers
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Re: 76% of Americans live paycheck to paycheck [Re: memes]
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memes said: Yep! You're the smart!
The very same people (the economically poor and minorities) that you claim to have such a special place in your heart for, are the ones you have no interest in helping in the real world.
So far in this thread, you have advocated for legitimizing the illegal foreign worker (which fucks over the unskilled US worker more than anything), and not hiking the miniman wage (which is at a 30-40 year low in real terms), because of a irrational fear of inflation.
You aren't any advocate to the economically disadvantaged, you're a big hypocrite.
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Re: 76% of Americans live paycheck to paycheck [Re: luvdemshrooms]
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I don't know what you guys are bitching about. I love $45 hamburgers... when I was younger I bought a few of them inadvertently (went to Burger King without the funds in my account, and got an overdraft fee).
They tasted all the sweeter once I knew I had REALLY paid for them.
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Re: 76% of Americans live paycheck to paycheck [Re: memes]
#18829048 - 09/11/13 05:55 PM (10 years, 4 months ago) |
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I COULD open up a savings account and save a % of my school check. However, I like to have fun as well.
Nothing like predetermining how much you are gonna spend each semester, including your weed money. I gotta have a 30% separated just in case. I'll usually spend it when I go out with friends 
Summertime is when money is real tight though summer school isn't covered either(need more $ for books)
I'm just happy gas isn't over 4$ a gallon. My school is kinda far lol
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Re: 76% of Americans live paycheck to paycheck [Re: luvdemshrooms]
#18829049 - 09/11/13 05:55 PM (10 years, 4 months ago) |
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In isolated cases, you speak of it as if its the natural response of all business's. Its not.
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Re: 76% of Americans live paycheck to paycheck [Re: TwinEclipse] 1
#18829053 - 09/11/13 05:57 PM (10 years, 4 months ago) |
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TwinEclipse said: I COULD open up a savings account and save a % of my school check. However, I like to have fun as well.
Nothing like predetermining how much you are gonna spend each semester, including your weed money.
Summertime is when money is real tight though summer school isn't covered either(need more $ for books)
Part of it - is probably attributed to the fact that money in savings accounts right now depreciates faster than inflation rate.
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Re: 76% of Americans live paycheck to paycheck [Re: qman]
#18829056 - 09/11/13 05:59 PM (10 years, 4 months ago) |
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You aren't any advocate to the economically disadvantaged, you're a big hypocrite.
i'd love for you to quote where i claimed to be such an advocate.
i know you can't, though.
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Re: 76% of Americans live paycheck to paycheck [Re: Bodhi of Ankou]
#18829058 - 09/11/13 06:00 PM (10 years, 4 months ago) |
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If you say so. I've been around for quite some time now. I've been involved in business for quite some time. Do you now or have you previously owned a business? Have you been a member in a business group? Are you speaking from experience?
You may find the rare person who sucks up increases in his costs. I have not.
-------------------- You cannot legislate the poor into prosperity by legislating the wealthy out of prosperity. What one person receives without working for another person must work for without receiving. The government cannot give to anybody anything that the government does not first take from somebody else. When half of the people get the idea that they do not have to work because the other half is going to take care of them and when the other half gets the idea that it does no good to work because somebody else is going to get what they work for that my dear friend is the beginning of the end of any nation. You cannot multiply wealth by dividing it. ~ Adrian Rogers
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Re: 76% of Americans live paycheck to paycheck [Re: luvdemshrooms]
#18829071 - 09/11/13 06:05 PM (10 years, 4 months ago) |
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Whether or not I've been personally involved in business makes no difference. I dont need a stake in any particular company to be able to make observations on the prices of goods. Rises are only ever sporadically correlated to min wage increases.
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Re: 76% of Americans live paycheck to paycheck [Re: Bodhi of Ankou]
#18829080 - 09/11/13 06:07 PM (10 years, 4 months ago) |
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luvdemshrooms said: If you say so. I've been around for quite some time now. I've been involved in business for quite some time. Do you now or have you previously owned a business? Have you been a member in a business group? Are you speaking from experience?
You may find the rare person who sucks up increases in his costs. I have not.
If you have direct competition (locally if you are a brick and mortar, or globally if you are online) to keep your prices low, and your competition does not experience the same cost increase for some reason, then you will suck up the increase. Other than that, you are probably right.
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Re: 76% of Americans live paycheck to paycheck [Re: Schmendrick]
#18829094 - 09/11/13 06:09 PM (10 years, 4 months ago) |
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No, you will go out of business. It happens all the time
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Re: 76% of Americans live paycheck to paycheck [Re: luvdemshrooms]
#18829103 - 09/11/13 06:11 PM (10 years, 4 months ago) |
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I will at some point add to this thread, but I am really busy now, so carry on!!
Also, if minimum wage increases, then there is more money in the pocket of the employee. If everyone made more, than the money would be worth less thus business (among others) would want more $/ item. This is the very definition of inflation. Prices go up because of a falling of the purchase value of money. I may not have a degree in economics, but this seems rather simple. If McDonalds workers get 15$/hr, than (a)all the people who have jobs where they do 15$ WORTH of work, will quit and go flip burgers, for the same wages (b) McDonalds would (either by will or obligatorily) raise prices. Perhaps there are other implications I am not aware of, but when you pay someone more than their work is worth, that leads to problems, no?
-------------------- My trade list malicom said: "Banana's emit radiation. In fact banannas are the standard in detecting solar radiation. The radiation read from a bananna tells scientists how active the sun was during the growing season. Make sure to steer clear of bananas too." seekaytea said: "I need to stop spending all my money on plants and take up a cheaper hobby, like heroin." Wiccan_Seeker said: "Your knowledge on male-on-male rape and willingness to engage in fantasy regarding the matter is commendable." eminemvs.slimshady said: "I want to know if they are active and magic or not. And if they are not active, can i pick them before they are active and then they will become active or do they have to grow till they activate?"
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Re: 76% of Americans live paycheck to paycheck [Re: zappaisgod]
#18829111 - 09/11/13 06:11 PM (10 years, 4 months ago) |
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zappaisgod said: No, you will go out of business. It happens all the time
Depends on how tight your profit margin is.
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Re: 76% of Americans live paycheck to paycheck [Re: Bodhi of Ankou]
#18829117 - 09/11/13 06:13 PM (10 years, 4 months ago) |
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Bodhi of Ankou said: Whether or not I've been personally involved in business makes no difference. I dont need a stake in any particular company to be able to make observations on the prices of goods. Rises are only ever sporadically correlated to min wage increases.
It would speak to your experience from the business owners side. I'll take your answer as a no.
I don't know if one of your goals is to be in business for yourself. I suspect you'd sing a different tune if you ever are.
Look at it as a tip. Pass your increases on if you wish to remain in business.
-------------------- You cannot legislate the poor into prosperity by legislating the wealthy out of prosperity. What one person receives without working for another person must work for without receiving. The government cannot give to anybody anything that the government does not first take from somebody else. When half of the people get the idea that they do not have to work because the other half is going to take care of them and when the other half gets the idea that it does no good to work because somebody else is going to get what they work for that my dear friend is the beginning of the end of any nation. You cannot multiply wealth by dividing it. ~ Adrian Rogers
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Re: 76% of Americans live paycheck to paycheck [Re: luvdemshrooms]
#18829140 - 09/11/13 06:19 PM (10 years, 4 months ago) |
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brick and mortar stores usually have slim(er) profit margins because they need to maintain the store. Nobody cares if a warehouse is dirty, but a store where things need to be cleaned and salespeople staffed and property taxes and others must be paid, it really cuts in.
-------------------- My trade list malicom said: "Banana's emit radiation. In fact banannas are the standard in detecting solar radiation. The radiation read from a bananna tells scientists how active the sun was during the growing season. Make sure to steer clear of bananas too." seekaytea said: "I need to stop spending all my money on plants and take up a cheaper hobby, like heroin." Wiccan_Seeker said: "Your knowledge on male-on-male rape and willingness to engage in fantasy regarding the matter is commendable." eminemvs.slimshady said: "I want to know if they are active and magic or not. And if they are not active, can i pick them before they are active and then they will become active or do they have to grow till they activate?"
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Re: 76% of Americans live paycheck to paycheck [Re: Schmendrick]
#18829141 - 09/11/13 06:19 PM (10 years, 4 months ago) |
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zappaisgod said: No, you will go out of business. It happens all the time
Depends on how tight your profit margin is.
Do you have any idea what the profit margin is in most businesses that employ minimum wage losers? It aint shit.
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Re: 76% of Americans live paycheck to paycheck [Re: zappaisgod]
#18829170 - 09/11/13 06:26 PM (10 years, 4 months ago) |
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zappaisgod said: No, you will go out of business. It happens all the time
Depends on how tight your profit margin is.
Do you have any idea what the profit margin is in most businesses that employ minimum wage losers? It aint shit.
I thought we were talking about business in general. I would never be stupid enough to run a business that required minimum wage labor unless it was a major franchise with lots of corporate backing like McDonalds or something... anything else is living dangerously; The smallest change in your market could put you out of business in no time flat. That seems like a really stressful way to live, and I don't like stress.
If your product is in so little demand that you cannot afford to pay a living wage to your employees, perhaps you should consider a different line of business.
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Re: 76% of Americans live paycheck to paycheck [Re: Schmendrick] 1
#18829174 - 09/11/13 06:27 PM (10 years, 4 months ago) |
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Schmendrick said: If your product is in so little demand that you cannot afford to pay a living wage to your employees, perhaps you should consider a different line of business.
or maybe your employees should consider a different employer
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Re: 76% of Americans live paycheck to paycheck [Re: Schmendrick]
#18829189 - 09/11/13 06:29 PM (10 years, 4 months ago) |
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zappaisgod said: No, you will go out of business. It happens all the time
Depends on how tight your profit margin is.
Do you have any idea what the profit margin is in most businesses that employ minimum wage losers? It aint shit.
I thought we were talking about business in general. I would never be stupid enough to run a business that required minimum wage labor unless it was a major franchise with lots of corporate backing like McDonalds or something... anything else is living dangerously; The smallest change in your market could put you out of business in no time flat. That seems like a really stressful way to live, and I don't like stress.
If your product is in so little demand that you cannot afford to pay a living wage to your employees, perhaps you should consider a different line of business.
Oh so those people with the minimum wage jobs should be living in your mom's basement with you after their employer fucks off?
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Re: 76% of Americans live paycheck to paycheck [Re: zappaisgod]
#18829212 - 09/11/13 06:35 PM (10 years, 4 months ago) |
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This statistic is kind of misleading because you could be making a million dollars a year and still be living paycheck to paycheck because you don't manage your money wisely. A lot of times the guy who goes and spends 50 k on a car, really can barely or cant afford it.
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Re: 76% of Americans live paycheck to paycheck [Re: Magicman69] 1
#18829230 - 09/11/13 06:38 PM (10 years, 4 months ago) |
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What about all the people on food stamps? I knew this bitch that got pregnant from not using condoms then she got most of her hospital bills paid for by lying about how much her parents made. Now she gets tons of food stamps because she claims she lives with her aunt. Oh and she dropped out of high school. This is trash.
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Re: 76% of Americans live paycheck to paycheck [Re: zappaisgod]
#18829239 - 09/11/13 06:41 PM (10 years, 4 months ago) |
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I thought we were talking about business in general. I would never be stupid enough to run a business that required minimum wage labor unless it was a major franchise with lots of corporate backing like McDonalds or something... anything else is living dangerously; The smallest change in your market could put you out of business in no time flat. That seems like a really stressful way to live, and I don't like stress.
If your product is in so little demand that you cannot afford to pay a living wage to your employees, perhaps you should consider a different line of business.
Oh so those people with the minimum wage jobs should be living in your mom's basement with you after their employer fucks off?
No, there should be businesses who employ unskilled, minimum wage employees. I am just stating that I would never do it. The turnover rate is high, the stress level is high, you don't know if you are still going to be in business next week, let alone next month. Not my cup of tea.
I am self employed, 33 years old and supporting 5 kids (two from a previous marriage) on my income, so regarding your comment about my moms basement, yeah.... you can just fuck off entirely with that shit, m'kaaay?
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Re: 76% of Americans live paycheck to paycheck [Re: Schmendrick]
#18829246 - 09/11/13 06:42 PM (10 years, 4 months ago) |
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I feel this thread is inching toward flame war like bashing...
-------------------- My trade list malicom said: "Banana's emit radiation. In fact banannas are the standard in detecting solar radiation. The radiation read from a bananna tells scientists how active the sun was during the growing season. Make sure to steer clear of bananas too." seekaytea said: "I need to stop spending all my money on plants and take up a cheaper hobby, like heroin." Wiccan_Seeker said: "Your knowledge on male-on-male rape and willingness to engage in fantasy regarding the matter is commendable." eminemvs.slimshady said: "I want to know if they are active and magic or not. And if they are not active, can i pick them before they are active and then they will become active or do they have to grow till they activate?"
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Re: 76% of Americans live paycheck to paycheck [Re: Magicman69]
#18829250 - 09/11/13 06:43 PM (10 years, 4 months ago) |
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Magicman69 said: This statistic is kind of misleading because you could be making a million dollars a year and still be living paycheck to paycheck because you don't manage your money wisely. A lot of times the guy who goes and spends 50 k on a car, really can barely or cant afford it.
You blew my mind. We were just discussing the philosophy of relativity in English class on Monday 
It involves the cognitive aspect of relativity, which rejects the theory for correspondence of truth. It states that concepts and thoughts are only relative to the point of view perceiving it.
Species of trees may Look similar, but each tree contains a different compositions of atoms.
What about the statement, 'Fifi is big'? Again, it's relative how big Fifi can be. Maybe Fifi is a mouse? Then they appear small to us. Maybe Fifi is an elephant? Then Fifi's size is relative to both points of view.
In the end, I'd depends on how you look at it.
I may not have much money, but I feel rich better to be a delusional idealist than a pragmatic nihilist in my perspective.
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Re: 76% of Americans live paycheck to paycheck [Re: zappaisgod]
#18829262 - 09/11/13 06:45 PM (10 years, 4 months ago) |
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zappaisgod said: No, you will go out of business. It happens all the time
Depends on how tight your profit margin is.
Do you have any idea what the profit margin is in most businesses that employ minimum wage losers? It aint shit.
Too bad everyone isn't a 50 something "winner" that spends the majority of his time posting his politicial beliefs on drug related message boards to people that really don't give a shit. What the fuck makes you a winner? A fat bank account? Some of the biggest fucking losers I know are wealthy. There are some dinners that pay people less than minimum wage that make really good money, though most businesses in the food industry don't make a lot. You are such a miserable human being, I would rather be a poor fuck up than you.
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Re: 76% of Americans live paycheck to paycheck [Re: Schmendrick]
#18829266 - 09/11/13 06:46 PM (10 years, 4 months ago) |
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I thought we were talking about business in general. I would never be stupid enough to run a business that required minimum wage labor unless it was a major franchise with lots of corporate backing like McDonalds or something... anything else is living dangerously; The smallest change in your market could put you out of business in no time flat. That seems like a really stressful way to live, and I don't like stress.
If your product is in so little demand that you cannot afford to pay a living wage to your employees, perhaps you should consider a different line of business.
Oh so those people with the minimum wage jobs should be living in your mom's basement with you after their employer fucks off?
No, there should be businesses who employ unskilled, minimum wage employees. I am just stating that I would never do it. The turnover rate is high, the stress level is high, you don't know if you are still going to be in business next week, let alone next month. Not my cup of tea.
I am self employed, 33 years old and supporting 5 kids (two from a previous marriage) on my income, so regarding your comment about my moms basement, yeah.... you can just fuck off entirely with that shit, m'kaaay?

OK fair enough. The should be living in your mom's basement without you.
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Re: 76% of Americans live paycheck to paycheck [Re: fapjack]
#18829273 - 09/11/13 06:47 PM (10 years, 4 months ago) |
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zappaisgod said: No, you will go out of business. It happens all the time
Depends on how tight your profit margin is.
Do you have any idea what the profit margin is in most businesses that employ minimum wage losers? It aint shit.
Too bad everyone isn't a 50 something "winner" that spends the majority of his time posting his politicial beliefs on drug related message boards to people that really don't give a shit. What the fuck makes you a winner? A fat bank account? Some of the biggest fucking losers I know are wealthy. There are some dinners that pay people less than minimum wage that make really good money, though most businesses in the food industry don't make a lot. You are such a miserable human being, I would rather be a poor fuck up than you.
You have realized your dream.
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Re: 76% of Americans live paycheck to paycheck [Re: zappaisgod] 2
#18829276 - 09/11/13 06:48 PM (10 years, 4 months ago) |
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Re: 76% of Americans live paycheck to paycheck [Re: memes]
#18829287 - 09/11/13 06:50 PM (10 years, 4 months ago) |
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OK fair enough. The should be living in your mom's basement without you.
Sounds good to me. Who knows, maybe she is a cougar? They might have fun in that basement.
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Re: 76% of Americans live paycheck to paycheck [Re: Schmendrick]
#18829296 - 09/11/13 06:52 PM (10 years, 4 months ago) |
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She's your mom. You don't know of she's a cougar or not?
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Re: 76% of Americans live paycheck to paycheck [Re: zappaisgod]
#18829306 - 09/11/13 06:54 PM (10 years, 4 months ago) |
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zappaisgod said: She's your mom. You don't know of she's a cougar or not?
I don't interrogate my mom about her sex life and the age of her partners. Umm... do you? Weird!
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Re: 76% of Americans live paycheck to paycheck [Re: Schmendrick] 2
#18829330 - 09/11/13 06:59 PM (10 years, 4 months ago) |
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My mother is long dead but I suspect I would know if she had been a cougar. It isn't something you can keep secret for long especially if the entire landscaping crew is taking turns like she's a door knob
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Re: 76% of Americans live paycheck to paycheck [Re: zappaisgod]
#18829332 - 09/11/13 07:00 PM (10 years, 4 months ago) |
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You have realized your dream.
Too bad you won't get a chance to retire and live yours.
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Re: 76% of Americans live paycheck to paycheck [Re: fapjack]
#18829438 - 09/11/13 07:18 PM (10 years, 4 months ago) |
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You have realized your dream.
Too bad you won't get a chance to retire and live yours.
Why not? I'm getting close and the liabilities are almost through with school.
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Re: 76% of Americans live paycheck to paycheck [Re: zappaisgod]
#18829445 - 09/11/13 07:20 PM (10 years, 4 months ago) |
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zappaisgod said: I'm getting close and the liabilities are almost through with school.
any of your liabilities female and in the DC area?
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Re: 76% of Americans live paycheck to paycheck [Re: zappaisgod]
#18829451 - 09/11/13 07:21 PM (10 years, 4 months ago) |
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Why not? I'm getting close and the liabilities are almost through with school.
Your previous posts, plus this one make me wish I had a dad like you growing up. So tender, so caring. Absolutely in tune with life, and all things balanced. Man, you must be a great dad.
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Re: 76% of Americans live paycheck to paycheck [Re: Patlal]
#18829466 - 09/11/13 07:24 PM (10 years, 4 months ago) |
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I think a larger percentage of Americans are un-motivated schmucks who make horrendous financial decisions and have no concept of the value of a dollar, coupled with a complete inability to project for the future.
Sure, minimum wage sucks. Pumping out three kids by age 22 and burying yourself in a mountain of debt isn't very helpful either. The vast majority of the whining pussies I see bitching about the low wages and high cost of living fall firmly into that category.
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Re: 76% of Americans live paycheck to paycheck [Re: memes]
#18829476 - 09/11/13 07:26 PM (10 years, 4 months ago) |
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zappaisgod said: I'm getting close and the liabilities are almost through with school.
any of your liabilities female and in the DC area?

No. Boston law school for the female. Philly and NYC for the males
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Sure, minimum wage sucks. Pumping out three kids by age 22 and burying yourself in a mountain of debt isn't very helpful either. The vast majority of the whining pussies I see bitching about the low wages and high cost of living fall firmly into that category.
Well, at least you don't pretend to be something you are not, sVs. I applaud that. Your signature title seems 100% accurate.
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Re: 76% of Americans live paycheck to paycheck [Re: zappaisgod]
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zappaisgod said: No. Boston law school for the female. Philly and NYC for the males

well done, papazap
edit: and when your daughter graduates and moves down to K st to make $1M a year, let me know.
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Re: 76% of Americans live paycheck to paycheck [Re: Schmendrick]
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I like to present a little honesty, is all.
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Sure, minimum wage sucks. Pumping out three kids by age 22 and burying yourself in a mountain of debt isn't very helpful either. The vast majority of the whining pussies I see bitching about the low wages and high cost of living fall firmly into that category.
I honestly don't understand how people even get into that situation. Who is about to have sex but doesn't think, "hmm dur maybe we should use a condom"? Failing that, who has sex without protection and then fails to take the necessary measures to dislodge the asshole-to-be potentially affixing itself to their uterus? I have no time for people who are surrounded with obnoxious little bastards so I have no way of answering these questions.
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Why not? I'm getting close and the liabilities are almost through with school.
Your previous posts, plus this one make me wish I had a dad like you growing up. So tender, so caring. Absolutely in tune with life, and all things balanced. Man, you must be a great dad. 
I've actually done quite well at it. We have one in Boston U law school, another at Penn getting a PhD in math and Chem E and a third at Parsons. None of them have ever been arrested for anything or gotten an STD or been involved in a pregnancy. I'll put my results up against your dad's any day.
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So, BS, tell me how many kids you want
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zig, I don't often say this, but you seem like a really good guy.
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well done, papazap
edit: and when your daughter graduates and moves down to K st to make $1M a year, let me know.
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Re: 76% of Americans live paycheck to paycheck [Re: zappaisgod]
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I honestly don't understand how people even get into that situation. Who is about to have sex but doesn't think, "hmm dur maybe we should use a condom"? Failing that, who has sex without protection and then fails to take the necessary measures to dislodge the asshole-to-be potentially affixing itself to their uterus? I have no time for people who are surrounded with obnoxious little bastards so I have no way of answering these questions.
Perhaps not, but I think I can name one truly obnoxious 'big' bastard that you make time for all day, every day.
Who might that be I wonder?...
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Re: 76% of Americans live paycheck to paycheck [Re: memes]
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lol. svs with subtitle "asshole" compliments zig subtitled "horrid asshole"
just amusing little bit there
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just amusing little bit there
We assholes must stick together to stink up your idealistic hippy fantasy world.
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Re: 76% of Americans live paycheck to paycheck [Re: zappaisgod]
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I'm alright for an asshole. So are you. It's important to know that you're an asshole. The really bad assholes are the ones who don't know it
Oh agreed completely. I am also a complete asshole... but I realize that I don't have to rub my asshole in people's faces all day for no reason. I try to appear to be a generally nice guy most of the time; that way when I get truly upset and start spewing nasty venom, it catches people off guard, and I can jerk off later to their horrified expressions burned into my memory.
If you are an asshole all day every day, then pretty soon nothing you do or say is shocking anymore.. people start expecting it, and you run out of jerk off material.
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Re: 76% of Americans live paycheck to paycheck [Re: Schmendrick]
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A lot of times pussies confuses themselves for assholes.
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Re: 76% of Americans live paycheck to paycheck [Re: Schmendrick]
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I honestly don't understand how people even get into that situation. Who is about to have sex but doesn't think, "hmm dur maybe we should use a condom"? Failing that, who has sex without protection and then fails to take the necessary measures to dislodge the asshole-to-be potentially affixing itself to their uterus? I have no time for people who are surrounded with obnoxious little bastards so I have no way of answering these questions.
Perhaps not, but I think I can name one truly obnoxious 'big' bastard that you make time for all day, every day.
Who might that be I wonder?...
Are you talking about God? Because I'm not a bastard.
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I honestly don't understand how people even get into that situation. Who is about to have sex but doesn't think, "hmm dur maybe we should use a condom"? Failing that, who has sex without protection and then fails to take the necessary measures to dislodge the asshole-to-be potentially affixing itself to their uterus? I have no time for people who are surrounded with obnoxious little bastards so I have no way of answering these questions.
Perhaps not, but I think I can name one truly obnoxious 'big' bastard that you make time for all day, every day.
Who might that be I wonder?...
Are you talking about God? Because I'm not a bastard.
God isn't real, so that really only leaves one person I could have been talking about.
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I wouldn't say zappa is not nice. He's direct and honest, but otherwise appears to be fully capable of empathy and concern for his fellow man. Some folks just struggle when presented with honesty.
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Re: 76% of Americans live paycheck to paycheck [Re: Schmendrick]
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I honestly don't understand how people even get into that situation. Who is about to have sex but doesn't think, "hmm dur maybe we should use a condom"? Failing that, who has sex without protection and then fails to take the necessary measures to dislodge the asshole-to-be potentially affixing itself to their uterus? I have no time for people who are surrounded with obnoxious little bastards so I have no way of answering these questions.
Perhaps not, but I think I can name one truly obnoxious 'big' bastard that you make time for all day, every day.
Who might that be I wonder?...
Are you talking about God? Because I'm not a bastard.
God isn't real, so that really only leaves one person I could have been talking about.
You're mistaken. My parents are married.
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Welcome back sVs. 
Have any of those folks made off-color comments about the date of your illustrious return?
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I am using the word asshole to describe somebody who doesn't shy from telling people that they are stupid fucking morons and are fucking up. This is often considered impolite. I consider it a service and a valuable educational tool not generally supplied in government run feel good academies of unlearning. You should thank me for providing you with a tuition free education. Or you can send me $5.
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No, but now that you mention it, it is rather amusing. But personally I think 9/11 jokes are just plane wrong.
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Re: 76% of Americans live paycheck to paycheck [Re: zappaisgod]
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Why not? I'm getting close and the liabilities are almost through with school.
Your previous posts, plus this one make me wish I had a dad like you growing up. So tender, so caring. Absolutely in tune with life, and all things balanced. Man, you must be a great dad. 
I've actually done quite well at it. We have one in Boston U law school, another at Penn getting a PhD in math and Chem E and a third at Parsons. None of them have ever been arrested for anything or gotten an STD or been involved in a pregnancy. I'll put my results up against your dad's any day.
I'm sure you are a good father, but how would you even know if one of your adult children has contracted herpes or HPV? Dad's are usually the last to know such private information.
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I honestly don't understand how people even get into that situation. Who is about to have sex but doesn't think, "hmm dur maybe we should use a condom"? Failing that, who has sex without protection and then fails to take the necessary measures to dislodge the asshole-to-be potentially affixing itself to their uterus? I have no time for people who are surrounded with obnoxious little bastards so I have no way of answering these questions.
Perhaps not, but I think I can name one truly obnoxious 'big' bastard that you make time for all day, every day.
Who might that be I wonder?...
Are you talking about God? Because I'm not a bastard.
God isn't real, so that really only leaves one person I could have been talking about.
You're mistaken. My parents are married.
I am sorry, BlindSophist... it appears we have had a confusion of definitions. Here you see the accepted definition of the word in question:
BASTARD (you are one of these)
I see now that you were referring to the literal description of the word, marked as noun definition number 1. However, I was referring to slang noun definition number 2a.
Sorry about that, I hope all is clear now.
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zappaisgod said: I am using the word asshole to describe somebody who doesn't shy from telling people that they are stupid fucking morons and are fucking up. This is often considered impolite. I consider it a service and a valuable educational tool not generally supplied in government run feel good academies of unlearning. You should thank me for providing you with a tuition free education. Or you can send me $5.
Well, close. You and an asshole are alike, you are both full of shit.
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Re: 76% of Americans live paycheck to paycheck [Re: qman]
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I don't think it's that easy to hide or if they would want to but it's possible, I suppose.
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Re: 76% of Americans live paycheck to paycheck [Re: Schmendrick]
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BASTARD (you are one of these)
I see now that you were referring to the literal description of the word, marked as noun definition number 1. However, I was referring to slang noun definition number 2a.
Sorry about that, I hope all is clear now.
That's an awfully mean thing to say, dude.
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Re: 76% of Americans live paycheck to paycheck [Re: memes]
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luvdemshrooms said: If your product is in so little demand that you cannot afford to pay a living wage to your employees, perhaps you should consider a different line of business.
or maybe your employees should consider a different employer
I didn't say that. Kindly correct the misquote.
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BASTARD (you are one of these)
I see now that you were referring to the literal description of the word, marked as noun definition number 1. However, I was referring to slang noun definition number 2a.
Sorry about that, I hope all is clear now.
That's an awfully mean thing to say, dude. 
Oh crap, now I feel bad. I'm sorry man.
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Re: 76% of Americans live paycheck to paycheck [Re: luvdemshrooms]
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Done. dont know how it got screwed up. probably some editing error when i was deleting superfluous crap from my quote.
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Re: 76% of Americans live paycheck to paycheck [Re: memes]
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Thanks.
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Nice homonym within the use of a pun.
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any of your liabilities female and in the DC area?

No. Boston law school for the female. Philly and NYC for the males
damn
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