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Patlal
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Re: 76% of Americans live paycheck to paycheck [Re: muistrue]
#18828191 - 09/11/13 02:58 PM (10 years, 4 months ago) |
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The problem is that 95% of the population think as employees. To them, the only viable way to make money is to get a job. If they can't find a job, they can't think of anything else except crime.
They seem to forget that business is the best way to go. But either they don't know what kind of business to start or they don't have the knowledge or money needed to do it.
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zappaisgod
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Re: 76% of Americans live paycheck to paycheck [Re: Patlal]
#18828196 - 09/11/13 02:59 PM (10 years, 4 months ago) |
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Patlal said: What do you do for a living zappa?
Construction contractor
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muistrue
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Re: 76% of Americans live paycheck to paycheck [Re: Patlal]
#18828201 - 09/11/13 03:01 PM (10 years, 4 months ago) |
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Patlal said: The problem is that 95% of the population think as employees. To them, the only viable way to make money is to get a job. If they can't find a job, they can't think of anything else except crime.
They seem to forget that business is the best way to go. But either they don't know what kind of business to start or they don't have the knowledge or money needed to do it.
Yup, like I said they're dumb.
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Konyap

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Re: 76% of Americans live paycheck to paycheck [Re: Gilgamesh18]
#18828202 - 09/11/13 03:01 PM (10 years, 4 months ago) |
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muistrue said: Minimum wage is a joke. I heard that here it's $8/ hour. There's no way anyone can live comfortably on that unless as said above they live in moms basement.
Which is bullshit as I said earlier my friend works at real business and lives with his mom and just bought his car from a highschooler 5 years younger then him..
Its bullshit that socialists like you expect high wages for unskilled labor that is how corporations and nations collapse!
That is so fucking retarded, living wage does not equal overpaid. We have billionaires in this country, if it bothers them that much, maybe they're being selfish pricks.
German factory workers get like 60$perhour Here they're hiring people and just starting to bump them up to 50$ after previously 30$ I'm complaining because someone out of highschool is getting a shitty 7.25$ per hour job and you people think that's normal. You sound like you've never managered for a fast food place, maybe in bumble fuck it's ok to pay 5.25. because no one charges that amount of money and there's no property tax but where I live that's bullshit. Especially working at a fast food place that has such high demand, they aren't going to collapse if they pay their fucking spanish workers who've been working there 10 years 12 dollars an hour.
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Lynnch
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Re: 76% of Americans live paycheck to paycheck [Re: Gilgamesh18]
#18828207 - 09/11/13 03:01 PM (10 years, 4 months ago) |
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Gilgamesh18 said: LOL how much do you think burger flippers should make if a braindead idoit can do it we should he get a decent wage! THAT is an insult to skilled workers everywere.
The owners of that multimillion dollar earning company rely on their workers to create and sell their product. Without those workers, they would be nothing. I think it's fair that workers be compensated enough to cover their basic needs. The insult is that our overlords believe skilled work to only be worth a fraction more than unskilled work, and moreover, that spending the majority of your time on either still should not earn you a stable life.
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Konyap

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Re: 76% of Americans live paycheck to paycheck [Re: Lynnch]
#18828209 - 09/11/13 03:02 PM (10 years, 4 months ago) |
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Exactly they're making 85% profit on every fucking dollar burger
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zappaisgod
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Re: 76% of Americans live paycheck to paycheck [Re: Patlal]
#18828216 - 09/11/13 03:05 PM (10 years, 4 months ago) |
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Patlal said: The problem is that 95% of the population think as employees. To them, the only viable way to make money is to get a job. If they can't find a job, they can't think of anything else except crime.
They seem to forget that business is the best way to go. But either they don't know what kind of business to start or they don't have the knowledge or money needed to do it.
Here is what I'm seeing. Almost no non-immigrants going into the sweat fields. Not plumbing not carpentry not masonry not HVAC not electrical. These are all good paying fields that can also lead to self employment at a young age with a low capital investment. I'm really not interested in anybody whining that there are no jobs. Kick the illegals out and there are jobs for everybody who belongs here. That is if they want them and I'm not so sure that they do.
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Schmendrick
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Re: 76% of Americans live paycheck to paycheck [Re: zappaisgod]
#18828223 - 09/11/13 03:07 PM (10 years, 4 months ago) |
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Firstly, I guess I am pretty lucky.. I am not wealthy, but I am self employed (Android app developer), own my home, land and vehicle outright and have a deep water well on my property so I have no monthly bills except electricity and trash (and I am thinking about putting in solar/wind and making burn and compost piles, so.... then there will only be taxes)... I do not feel the need to have a larger home or to compete with the joneses.. pretty happy with things actually.
I 'deserve' almost none of this... I really have been quite lucky in life. It would take too long to list all of the ways which luck has played a part in me having what I have.
Secondly, if you have a computer, internet access, and can read and understand this post, you are pretty lucky too. And you likely have no idea what real poverty is.
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Re: 76% of Americans live paycheck to paycheck [Re: Gilgamesh18]
#18828224 - 09/11/13 03:07 PM (10 years, 4 months ago) |
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zappaisgod said: They already pay far more of the tax bill than they earn of the income. Most of the population are freeloadiers.
And most of the freeloaders are that way because their minimum wage full time jobs still leave them below the poverty line. It's pretty funny that you say 49k is plenty, when that's just barely double what is considered living in poverty in this country.
Any money we give to the poor gets spent- put into the economy, passed around, helping everyone. Any money we leave to the rich gets sent to the cayman islands, or given to other rich people in the form of $100million bonuses.
LOL how much do you think burger flippers should make if a braindead idoit can do it we should he get a decent wage! THAT is an insult to skilled workers everywere.
So why don't they do it?
Not everyone is equal in skill and ability and WAGES REFLECT that. Sorry man life is not fair I am insulted that unskilled labor demand unrealistic wages.
"insulted that unskilled labor demand unrealistic wages."
Well, this is where the problem lies for developed economies today, the fact that unskilled labor wages have fallen off a cliff.
My grandparents were all unskilled labor/trained on the job workers, yet they were able to earn strong real wages and accumulate vast sums of wealth.
When we have a tight labor market, wages remain strong and profitability suffers to some extent, today we have the complete opposite, a massive surplus of unskilled workers and huge profitability at the top.
What do you suggest developed economies do with their huge surplus of unskilled workers today and in the future? Pay them even lower wages ($1-3.00 per hour) to compete with a global market? Or ship them overseas to work?
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Lynnch
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Re: 76% of Americans live paycheck to paycheck [Re: Lynnch] 1
#18828245 - 09/11/13 03:11 PM (10 years, 4 months ago) |
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It's not like we have a shortage of food. It's not like we have a shortage of housing. It's not like we have a shortage of labor to grow it or build it. It's not like the rich don't make enough of a profit. If they shared more of the profits with those who make it for them, we would buy more food and housing, and give them more profit. Everybody wins.
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Konyap

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Re: 76% of Americans live paycheck to paycheck [Re: Lynnch]
#18828260 - 09/11/13 03:14 PM (10 years, 4 months ago) |
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I'm white as heck, would never work construction and all the people in it seem to want to get out of it. They only reccomend like skilled positions and they say it's sought after. I'm pretty sure the highschool dropouts aren't going to work at McDonalds.
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Gilgamesh18
Herbivore Man

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Re: 76% of Americans live paycheck to paycheck [Re: Lynnch]
#18828275 - 09/11/13 03:17 PM (10 years, 4 months ago) |
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Gilgamesh18 said: LOL how much do you think burger flippers should make if a braindead idoit can do it we should he get a decent wage! THAT is an insult to skilled workers everywere.
The owners of that multimillion dollar earning company rely on their workers to create and sell their product. Without those workers, they would be nothing. I think it's fair that workers be compensated enough to cover their basic needs. The insult is that our overlords believe skilled work to only be worth a fraction more than unskilled work, and moreover, that spending the majority of your time on either still should not earn you a stable life.
K start your own business and pay what you think is a fair wage I gurantee you will go out of business!
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Konyap

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Re: 76% of Americans live paycheck to paycheck [Re: Gilgamesh18]
#18828288 - 09/11/13 03:18 PM (10 years, 4 months ago) |
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People who start there own business usually work by themselves for nothing
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Gilgamesh18
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Re: 76% of Americans live paycheck to paycheck [Re: Lynnch]
#18828291 - 09/11/13 03:19 PM (10 years, 4 months ago) |
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Lynnch said: It's not like we have a shortage of food. It's not like we have a shortage of housing. It's not like we have a shortage of labor to grow it or build it. It's not like the rich don't make enough of a profit. If they shared more of the profits with those who make it for them, we would buy more food and housing, and give them more profit. Everybody wins.
No what you fail to see is if your system was implemented who the heck would innovate or even work for that matter. The only way for your socialist society to work would be at gunpoint since everyone getting handouts would lead to a collapse. Socialism will usher in a tyranny.
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Bitter Cactus
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Re: 76% of Americans live paycheck to paycheck [Re: Konyap]
#18828294 - 09/11/13 03:19 PM (10 years, 4 months ago) |
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aiyobro said: It's 12.50 to see a movie, that's like two hours of work min. wage
Minimum wage is ten bucks in Alberta lol.
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zappaisgod
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Re: 76% of Americans live paycheck to paycheck [Re: Schmendrick] 1
#18828311 - 09/11/13 03:22 PM (10 years, 4 months ago) |
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Schmendrick said: Firstly, I guess I am pretty lucky.. I am not wealthy, but I am self employed (Android app developer), own my home, land and vehicle outright and have a deep water well on my property so I have no monthly bills except electricity and trash (and I am thinking about putting in solar/wind and making burn and compost piles, so.... then there will only be taxes)... I do not feel the need to have a larger home or to compete with the joneses.. pretty happy with things actually.
I 'deserve' almost none of this... I really have been quite lucky in life. It would take too long to list all of the ways which luck has played a part in me having what I have.
Secondly, if you have a computer, internet access, and can read and understand this post, you are pretty lucky too. And you likely have no idea what real poverty is.
You deserve all of it. My parents gave me a useless college degree and 2K when I graduated. I have not been lucky. I have, however, been broke. I muddled through.
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flickedbic
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Re: 76% of Americans live paycheck to paycheck [Re: Lynnch] 1
#18828317 - 09/11/13 03:23 PM (10 years, 4 months ago) |
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Grow your food.
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Bitter Cactus
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Re: 76% of Americans live paycheck to paycheck [Re: zappaisgod]
#18828321 - 09/11/13 03:23 PM (10 years, 4 months ago) |
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Are college degrees a waste of time and money these days?
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zappaisgod
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Re: 76% of Americans live paycheck to paycheck [Re: Konyap]
#18828323 - 09/11/13 03:24 PM (10 years, 4 months ago) |
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aiyobro said: I'm white as heck, would never work construction and all the people in it seem to want to get out of it. They only reccomend like skilled positions and they say it's sought after. I'm pretty sure the highschool dropouts aren't going to work at McDonalds.
I'm sure you wouldn't
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aiyobro said: People who start there own business usually work by themselves for nothing 
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zappaisgod
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Re: 76% of Americans live paycheck to paycheck [Re: Bitter Cactus]
#18828326 - 09/11/13 03:24 PM (10 years, 4 months ago) |
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Bitter Cactus said: Are college degrees a waste of time and money these days?
Most of them.
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