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Re: 76% of Americans live paycheck to paycheck [Re: Gilgamesh18]
#18827097 - 09/11/13 09:48 AM (10 years, 4 months ago) |
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76% of threads about the us economy are made by people who dont live in the us.
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Gilgamesh18
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Re: 76% of Americans live paycheck to paycheck [Re: ModestMouse]
#18827101 - 09/11/13 09:49 AM (10 years, 4 months ago) |
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ModestMouse said: 76% of threads about the us economy are made by people who dont live in the us.
HA that to although Canada is bascially like our little brother so I'll give the canadians a free pass when talking about us.
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BlindSophist said: I actually have a better idea-- tax the employers of undocumented workers for exactly the sum of money they save on paychecks by hiring undocumented workers.
That idea makes too much sense, and defeats the very idea of getting rich for hiring cheap labor.
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Re: 76% of Americans live paycheck to paycheck [Re: qman]
#18827114 - 09/11/13 09:56 AM (10 years, 4 months ago) |
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qman said:
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BlindSophist said: I actually have a better idea-- tax the employers of undocumented workers for exactly the sum of money they save on paychecks by hiring undocumented workers.
That idea makes too much sense, and defeats the very idea of getting rich for hiring cheap labor. 
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zappaisgod
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Re: 76% of Americans live paycheck to paycheck [Re: Patlal]
#18827117 - 09/11/13 09:58 AM (10 years, 4 months ago) |
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Patlal said: You can truly say that the rich are holding the poor by the balls. 3/4 of the nations would be in serious trouble if an unexpected expense were to happen or if they lost their job. 50% have less than a three months cushion and 27% have no savings at all.
Basically, the US can't afford another hiccup because odds are it will be fatal. The thing is, we all know there's gonna be a hiccup soon. It's inevitable. So, what should the US do?
- Raise the minimum salary? - Lower taxes? - Government handouts? - Tax the rich and give to the poor? - Do nothing and see what happens?
How many banks would go into bankruptcy if suddenly 50% of their customers defaulted on their mortgage and loans? How many credit card companies would stay afloat in nobody can afford to pay their balance in full at the end of the month?
Surely families can find way to stretch their paychecks, there must be a way that they can limit their expenses right? It's getting to the point where it's eat little, work long hours, do nothing and then sleep. Repeat until you die. Basically slavery.
Anyways, it isn't really better elsewhere either. I just wanted to remind you of the fucked up world our parents left for us to live in.
In what way is this a function of any behavior by the rich? It is spending by the rich that creates jobs for the rest. Eat little? We're a fat nation. Obviously we aren't eating little.
Stop whining and get to work.
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Re: 76% of Americans live paycheck to paycheck [Re: zappaisgod]
#18827123 - 09/11/13 10:01 AM (10 years, 4 months ago) |
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we just need to keep lowering the effective tax rates for the rich, its obviously working.
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Re: 76% of Americans live paycheck to paycheck [Re: The Ecstatic] 3
#18827127 - 09/11/13 10:03 AM (10 years, 4 months ago) |
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The Ecstatic said: we just need to keep lowering the effective tax rates for the rich, its obviously working.
They already pay far more of the tax bill than they earn of the income. Most of the population are freeloadiers.
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Re: 76% of Americans live paycheck to paycheck [Re: Gilgamesh18]
#18827140 - 09/11/13 10:07 AM (10 years, 4 months ago) |
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Gilgamesh18 said:
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ModestMouse said: 76% of threads about the us economy are made by people who dont live in the us.
HA that to although Canada is bascially like our little brother so I'll give the canadians a free pass when talking about us.
Now, that's not right.
They're our bitch.
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Re: 76% of Americans live paycheck to paycheck [Re: luvdemshrooms]
#18827143 - 09/11/13 10:07 AM (10 years, 4 months ago) |
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luvdemshrooms said:
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Gilgamesh18 said:
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ModestMouse said: 76% of threads about the us economy are made by people who dont live in the us.
HA that to although Canada is bascially like our little brother so I'll give the canadians a free pass when talking about us.
Now, that's not right.
They're our bitch.
Thats what I said
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Re: 76% of Americans live paycheck to paycheck [Re: Gilgamesh18]
#18827148 - 09/11/13 10:11 AM (10 years, 4 months ago) |
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Your little brother is your bitch? You must be Canadian.
-------------------- You cannot legislate the poor into prosperity by legislating the wealthy out of prosperity. What one person receives without working for another person must work for without receiving. The government cannot give to anybody anything that the government does not first take from somebody else. When half of the people get the idea that they do not have to work because the other half is going to take care of them and when the other half gets the idea that it does no good to work because somebody else is going to get what they work for that my dear friend is the beginning of the end of any nation. You cannot multiply wealth by dividing it. ~ Adrian Rogers
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Re: 76% of Americans live paycheck to paycheck [Re: Patlal]
#18827157 - 09/11/13 10:15 AM (10 years, 4 months ago) |
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IMO, we put our money where we find value - that place just so happens to be entertainment. Those in the entertainment industry make BIG bucks compared to those who are doing work to further us as competent individuals (I'm talking about public teachers, mostly). IDK. I think if you make it mandatory for a child to attend school & then fail to teach him the soft skills he needs to maintain his well-being, well, it's a no brainer why we're in this situation.
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Re: 76% of Americans live paycheck to paycheck [Re: Penelope_Tree]
#18827159 - 09/11/13 10:16 AM (10 years, 4 months ago) |
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Teachers here quite a decent paycheck
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Re: 76% of Americans live paycheck to paycheck [Re: zappaisgod]
#18827252 - 09/11/13 10:56 AM (10 years, 4 months ago) |
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I was making minimum wage at the beggining of the year and I didn't save up shit, I spent all my money buying beer and hanging out with my friends, I'm going to get a job now living at my parents house and it'll be another four months before I can buy a shitty car that isn't 15 years old.
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You just said the solution to the economy's problems is to tax undocumented workers.
Nope, i said one potential solution to our economy's dependency ratio problems would be to legitimize our country's undocumented workforce.
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So adding more unskilled workers into a already saturated labor pool is a solution? Low skilled US citizens (mostly minorities) are already suffering and don't need more competition for lower wages.
Bringing in more illegal cheap workers HURTS the tax base, guess who use the hospitals, schools, and criminal justice system? Illegal workers and their tax base would never compensate for their true costs to society.
They're here, they're working, they're going to school, they're going to the hospital. They're already sucking your tax dollars. Will 100% of the undocumented workers immediately be in a situation where they are earning enough to pay federal income tax? Probably not. However, their kids - now having full access to the American dream - may certainly achieve that point.
No solution will fix our economy immediately. There are things we can be doing now to make the path down teh road a little more smooth.
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Re: 76% of Americans live paycheck to paycheck [Re: memes]
#18827430 - 09/11/13 11:51 AM (10 years, 4 months ago) |
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What you guys should do is make a really broad and precise study on viable investments the federal government could massively invest in. Even if that study costs the taxpayers a billion dollars, its gonna worth every penny when business experts find high paying investments. Sure the government isn't a business, but I think it's about time somebody tries to make the gvmt turn in a profit. Something like building apartment building and selling it off on the market. On sitting on and collect rent. Sure it'll take away opportunities for businessmen to it themselves but their just gonna have to bite the bullet on this one. Country first, individuals second.
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Re: 76% of Americans live paycheck to paycheck [Re: memes]
#18827463 - 09/11/13 12:00 PM (10 years, 4 months ago) |
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Allowing the law breaking scum to be legitimized will be of no help at all and will encourage more scum to ignore our laws. Further they are depressing wages for the bottom income group. Pay taxes? They don't fucking make enough money to pay taxes even if they filed.
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Re: 76% of Americans live paycheck to paycheck [Re: zappaisgod]
#18827585 - 09/11/13 12:30 PM (10 years, 4 months ago) |
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zappaisgod said: Teachers here quite a decent paycheck
Really? I'm in a small rural area and the teachers I know make 30-40k. That's pretty low, imo. I know they get perks like summer months off & winter break, plus all recognized holidays, so there's that. I guess I'm just sort of disgusted with the school system in general, from its curriculum to the way it "teaches to the test." I understand there are alternatives that seem to be getting around what is a roadblock to most public schools here, but those alternatives are taking money from the public school system district in which they operate (from what I understand). It seems to be fixing the problem in one sense, but making it worse in another.
I also heard a statistic that America trains 3x the amount of teachers that it needs, which waters down the market. In other countries, teacher selection is as stringent as getting into med school. I think the private sector is picking up the public slack (parents hiring private teachers @ 50$/hour), but it still leaves a large percentage of the population at a disadvantage.... and even more so when that undereducated percentage becomes adults.
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Re: 76% of Americans live paycheck to paycheck [Re: Penelope_Tree]
#18827597 - 09/11/13 12:33 PM (10 years, 4 months ago) |
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In other news, 24% of the workforce tries really hard and is rewarded for it.
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zappaisgod
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Re: 76% of Americans live paycheck to paycheck [Re: Penelope_Tree]
#18827707 - 09/11/13 01:00 PM (10 years, 4 months ago) |
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zappaisgod said: Teachers here quite a decent paycheck
Really? I'm in a small rural area and the teachers I know make 30-40k. That's pretty low, imo. I know they get perks like summer months off & winter break, plus all recognized holidays, so there's that. I guess I'm just sort of disgusted with the school system in general, from its curriculum to the way it "teaches to the test." I understand there are alternatives that seem to be getting around what is a roadblock to most public schools here, but those alternatives are taking money from the public school system district in which they operate (from what I understand). It seems to be fixing the problem in one sense, but making it worse in another.
I also heard a statistic that America trains 3x the amount of teachers that it needs, which waters down the market. In other countries, teacher selection is as stringent as getting into med school. I think the private sector is picking up the public slack (parents hiring private teachers @ 50$/hour), but it still leaves a large percentage of the population at a disadvantage.... and even more so when that undereducated percentage becomes adults.
http://www.teachersalaryinfo.com/new-york/teacher-salary-in-mamaroneck-union-free-school-district/
You live in a small rural area and you think 30-40K is low? The average income for the entire country is around $49K http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/02/21/tax-returns-2012-anatomy-average-american-taxpayer_n_1291995.html. That includes places that far more expensive to live in than where you are. It's quite enough.
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Re: 76% of Americans live paycheck to paycheck [Re: NWlight]
#18827723 - 09/11/13 01:05 PM (10 years, 4 months ago) |
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So are any of you actually content with this type of systematic structure? Do you find yourselves not really paying much attention to it as a whole and only focus on your nuclear surroundings?
I personally see this type of system flawed when it comes to any type of spiritual or cultural evolution. I look to the past events of specific types of ideals in various societies and can kind of foresee that ultimately this type of system isn't going to last into the future due to its unstable structure. It doesn't really benefit or provide any means of overall growth for anyone personally or as a whole. It's like a system of existing outside of the natural laws of life that is more destructive as a whole rather than balanced.
I guess my expectations for people are high due to what i see as roadblocks of personal and universal potential. I've come to personally understand that there is no such thing as a pinnacle to potential energy. The ups and downs seem to be due to a cyclical nature of all things, yet i don't see this as a barrier. It's kind of like learning from the past to presently constructively create for the future in balance with natural law. I don't believe that life is intended to work for another person for money, for technological items or anything of the sort. I think collectively if we all had a similar ideal of worldwide growth by working with each other as equals instead of working against each other for superficial titles or what someone believes to be "success". I don't know if i'm in a current timeline of history that will ultimately push these current types of ideals that potentially will lead to universal growth. I personally would like to see everyone living in a vibrational state of unconditional love with each other instead of what i feel like is a game of hell for many.
No one human truly rules over another or has dominance over another, naturally. Fear of death and fear of life and its 'security' has pushed these fundamental ideals onto humanity. It's a fucking illusion and i hope one day, myself or another will discover death as something similar to going to sleep, dreaming and waking up to prove that life itself is a gift. I think the fear of death or imprisonment truly prevents this type of potential growth. That it is scaled and reflective on all levels and that we as an individual earth is just a flash of truly everything that exists.
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