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#18825916 - 09/10/13 11:34 PM (10 years, 4 months ago) |
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"If you want a happy ending, that depends, of course, on where you stop your story."
True or false?
From the earliest years most of us are pumped full of the idea that once you overcome the single source of evil in the world then you can live happily ever after. But there is zero evidence of such a fairy tale to be found. No problem though, right? No one believes an evil witch has poisoned a princess after all. But how many believe in happily ever after? Do you? I mean really. If not, how do you cope? Does anyone else feel as though some sense of hope for a happily ever after is fundamental to healthy goal making and also a key motivator for achievement? If it is absent, then second fiddle of "happier than I am now" comes in? Doesnt this require some sense of permanence as well to be worthwhile? I mean, I can think of lots of ecstatic moments that put the present one to shame. But of course none of them lasted. And to make it my goal to return to them just to find myself reflecting on them after seems somewhat... ill conceived. Like a partial con that wouldn't quite fool me into any sense of a happy ending. And so I could cycle around and around chasing those brief moments and hoping that I can continue in that way until the end, and that does seem to be my current coping technique, but there is a voice gnawing which says, quit distracting yourself. You're turning a blind eye to something here.
Anyone relate?
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Re: happy endings [Re: Kickle]
#18826001 - 09/11/13 12:20 AM (10 years, 4 months ago) |
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I feel that while life may suck, and most stories in life do not end well, death is a way out. Life is the worst thing to happen to a being. All things end well, but not all things end when you think.
I am not a part of any organized religion, nor do I necessarily have faith in anything, but I like to think that whatever there is, it is better than life. So why not just enjoy the ride into oblivion?
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Re: happy endings [Re: Kickle]
#18826223 - 09/11/13 01:40 AM (10 years, 4 months ago) |
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From the earliest years most of us are pumped full of the idea that once you overcome the single source of evil in the world then you can live happily ever after.
Do whatever it takes to survive?
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Re: happy endings [Re: Kickle] 1
#18826519 - 09/11/13 05:01 AM (10 years, 4 months ago) |
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Yeah I can totally relate to that and I think it mostly comes down to living in the moment. If we are able to just be in the moment, and stop comparing now to the past or the imagined future then we are more likely to be content. It's when we start making judgements that stuff doesn't live up to expectations. Just get rid of those expectations. It's very hard, but certainly since I've started trying to live life like that I have been happier.
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"If you want a happy ending, that depends, of course, on where you stop your story."
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Re: happy endings [Re: Kickle]
#18826853 - 09/11/13 08:14 AM (10 years, 4 months ago) |
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Kickle said: "If you want a happy ending, that depends, of course, on where you stop your story."
True or false?
From the earliest years most of us are pumped full of the idea that once you overcome the single source of evil in the world then you can live happily ever after. But there is zero evidence of such a fairy tale to be found. No problem though, right? No one believes an evil witch has poisoned a princess after all. But how many believe in happily ever after? Do you? I mean really. If not, how do you cope? Does anyone else feel as though some sense of hope for a happily ever after is fundamental to healthy goal making and also a key motivator for achievement? If it is absent, then second fiddle of "happier than I am now" comes in? Doesnt this require some sense of permanence as well to be worthwhile? I mean, I can think of lots of ecstatic moments that put the present one to shame. But of course none of them lasted. And to make it my goal to return to them just to find myself reflecting on them after seems somewhat... ill conceived. Like a partial con that wouldn't quite fool me into any sense of a happy ending. And so I could cycle around and around chasing those brief moments and hoping that I can continue in that way until the end, and that does seem to be my current coping technique, but there is a voice gnawing which says, quit distracting yourself. You're turning a blind eye to something here.
Anyone relate?
I can relate. First I typed in I can felate, but obviously while true and would perhaps give someone a "happy ending" but would that be me?
But I digress. Really the notion of a "happy ending" probably meant a wife, kids, grandkids, and family get togethers at the beach. I mean in the movies, the dude always gets the chick, or more recently maybe another dude. Are they truly "happy together"?
So as I fall down further into the rabbit hole of life, and see less and less light coming down from the entrance of the tunnel, shall I keep digging, or surface?
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Re: happy endings [Re: Kickle]
#18826880 - 09/11/13 08:22 AM (10 years, 4 months ago) |
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I very much agree with these two posts:
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Futuresight said: So why not just enjoy the ride into oblivion?
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PocketLady said: Yeah I can totally relate to that and I think it mostly comes down to living in the moment. If we are able to just be in the moment, and stop comparing now to the past or the imagined future then we are more likely to be content. It's when we start making judgements that stuff doesn't live up to expectations. Just get rid of those expectations. It's very hard, but certainly since I've started trying to live life like that I have been happier.
I can say this right now, but I'm not so sure it works the same in practice - I'm not striving for happiness. I'm striving for an even keel with low stress. Actually, I'm sure I don't do that in practice because I notice attachments, desires & clinging behavior to things I think will make me happy even though they cause me stress. However, I do think that is my ideal and ironically, that it would be easier to be happier when I'm not preferring one emotional state over another.
That isn't to say I don't have goals and ambitions that I want to achieve, but I am very ...cooperative in how they could be executed.
To answer the OP
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Kickle said: "If you want a happy ending, that depends, of course, on where you stop your story."
True or false?
If my story ended now, it'd be pretty tragic, though there would be silver linings, imo.
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Re: happy endings [Re: Kickle]
#18826960 - 09/11/13 08:51 AM (10 years, 4 months ago) |
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Kickle said: "If you want a happy ending, that depends, of course, on where you stop your story."
True or false?
From the earliest years most of us are pumped full of the idea that once you overcome the single source of evil in the world then you can live happily ever after. But there is zero evidence of such a fairy tale to be found. No problem though, right? No one believes an evil witch has poisoned a princess after all. But how many believe in happily ever after? Do you? I mean really. If not, how do you cope? Does anyone else feel as though some sense of hope for a happily ever after is fundamental to healthy goal making and also a key motivator for achievement? If it is absent, then second fiddle of "happier than I am now" comes in? Doesnt this require some sense of permanence as well to be worthwhile? I mean, I can think of lots of ecstatic moments that put the present one to shame. But of course none of them lasted. And to make it my goal to return to them just to find myself reflecting on them after seems somewhat... ill conceived. Like a partial con that wouldn't quite fool me into any sense of a happy ending. And so I could cycle around and around chasing those brief moments and hoping that I can continue in that way until the end, and that does seem to be my current coping technique, but there is a voice gnawing which says, quit distracting yourself. You're turning a blind eye to something here.
Anyone relate?
I relate to this so much.
I don't know how to cope with this. Now that I'm thinking about this problem my already lacking motivation seems to have weakened.
Honestly, the strongest motivating factor for me at the moment is trying to avoid the pain of letting people down. The problem with that is I know the truth. If it were to all end, I wouldn't have to experience letting everyone down.
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Re: happy endings [Re: Memories] 1
#18827288 - 09/11/13 11:07 AM (10 years, 4 months ago) |
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After I posted this I went to bed. I lay there and focused on my heart. I do a visualization on occasion. Not an overly active one but sort of a... pre-dream focus. I like watching the imagery that starts before sleep. So as I focus on my heart I watch what imagery floats up. I often get all sorts of bright light anywhere from golden dust emanating from a highly undefined central point to a white fog that seems to glow from within and pulse to clear but luminescent bubbles. It's usually quite pleasant and the reason I've maintained it in some sense is because it lulls me to sleep.
But not last night
Last night it erupted in a frenzy of energy. I started thinking about my boss and how thankless his job really is. How much he gives to try and make things as good as he can and how little he gets back in terms of appreciation. That led to ideas of how to show him that he is appreciated. That led through a lot of scenarios, and culminated in an imagined scenario of talking with him in private and letting him know that no matter where he sees himself in the future, right now, he's a person to admire.
And on and on and on this went. From one person to the next. I couldn't stop seeing the best in everyone around me. And I couldn't help feeling like they are perfect right as they are, as I see them, right now. And after each person I'd think, ah, this is what an open heart feels like. Ok, great, now I'd really like to sleep And then the next one would pop into my mind and the process would begin anew.
It wasn't a bad thing as feeling so uplifted about others is a rare happening for me. But at the same time it felt fruitless. I couldn't act on any of it. And here I am today with the memories of it but the intense feeling has dissipated. It would be a mistake to try and relate it to those same individuals because the feelings are gone.
Why am I posting this? Because the original post was largely inspired by the idea of suicide. And not in a sad, oh poor me sort of way. I've never felt more free or lucky than right now. But in the sense of everyone has a story and I find it difficult to see many that end well. And if one must live a life, is it so wrong to seek a realistic means to end it on a positive note?
And although such thoughts are scary, taboo, and often reinforcing a thought loop born of depression, I find it interesting that they can also lead to an outpouring of heart. An uplifting of everyone I know. A beauty that can hide itself amidst personal concern and only appears once one honestly admits their unimportance and to the point of not having anything that the world needs them for.
Sorry for rambling. Thanks to everyone for posting I did enjoy reading the responses. It's nice to see a range of thought on this topic and I agree with many of the posts in the ways they promote well-being. Have a nice day everyone
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Re: happy endings [Re: Kickle]
#18827722 - 09/11/13 01:05 PM (10 years, 4 months ago) |
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Really the notion of a "happy ending" probably meant a wife, kids, grandkids, and family get togethers at the beach. I mean in the movies, the dude always gets the chick, or more recently maybe another dude. Are they truly "happy together"?
Is there a movie where the protagonist actually loses? Very rarely, if ever. Probably affects men more than women too, because they feel they have such high expectations to live up to, and the women just sit back expecting men to go to those lengths. Not that there wouldn't still be competition by men to get the lady, but at least their expectations wouldn't be set in a false reality that is literally only possible if you do everything perfectly, which is impossible.
Life seemed so simple when I was younger. Like you just kinda walk through life and everything just "works." Pretty harsh when you gotta come to terms with the fact that just isn't true. Probably why teenagers and young adults have such a tough time adjusting sometimes... because they realize everything won't just flow with them like they've come to expect.
If my story ended now, it'd be pretty tragic, though there would be silver linings, imo.
Same 
Honestly, the strongest motivating factor for me at the moment is trying to avoid the pain of letting people down. The problem with that is I know the truth. If it were to all end, I wouldn't have to experience letting everyone down
Damn man, we really share a lot of the same feelings. I know exactly what you mean 
Why am I posting this? Because the original post was largely inspired by the idea of suicide. And not in a sad, oh poor me sort of way. I've never felt more free or lucky than right now. But in the sense of everyone has a story and I find it difficult to see many that end well. And if one must live a life, is it so wrong to seek a realistic means to end it on a positive note?
Sounds like you had some really interesting thoughts before you fell asleep last night. I often think the hardest before bed too 
I think to some extent you're on to something about seeing everyone as perfect the way they are. All of us are struggling, all of us are husting, in our own ways. To survive you gotta try at least a little bit, and that can be surprisingly hard if you don't feel good. Also taking note in your suicide part, I can relate to it in this way - I usually think life is really really hard these days. Not so much physically, but emotionally and mentally. I think I'm a little more free to be open about these feelings than most people, but I know there are tons of people out there that are upset over something in their life, whether it be small or large, too. Only some 2% or a very small % of our population is a socio/psychopath. From my understanding those are the only people on this planet that have ZERO compassion or care for others. That means the other 98% all care about each other, even if only a little bit. Most people probably don't realize what it is that makes them feel sad or angry too, they just get the feelings. And not having a way to express those feelings and not having the right way to cope can lead to serious depression. That said, I'm honestly surprised more people don't commit suicide. Whether they feel extremely down and helpless, or the happiest they feel they can be (like you) they seem to know if they keep pushing there will always be more sad days to come. But they keep pushing. I keep pushing. Sometimes I wonder why, but you only get one life as far as I know, you may as well just live it out and appreciate the periodic good times that come with it
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Re: happy endings [Re: Kickle]
#18828192 - 09/11/13 02:59 PM (10 years, 4 months ago) |
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Kickle said: "If you want a happy ending, that depends, of course, on where you stop your story."
True or false?
From the earliest years most of us are pumped full of the idea that once you overcome the single source of evil in the world then you can live happily ever after. But there is zero evidence of such a fairy tale to be found. No problem though, right? No one believes an evil witch has poisoned a princess after all. But how many believe in happily ever after? Do you? I mean really. If not, how do you cope? Does anyone else feel as though some sense of hope for a happily ever after is fundamental to healthy goal making and also a key motivator for achievement? If it is absent, then second fiddle of "happier than I am now" comes in? Doesnt this require some sense of permanence as well to be worthwhile? I mean, I can think of lots of ecstatic moments that put the present one to shame. But of course none of them lasted. And to make it my goal to return to them just to find myself reflecting on them after seems somewhat... ill conceived. Like a partial con that wouldn't quite fool me into any sense of a happy ending. And so I could cycle around and around chasing those brief moments and hoping that I can continue in that way until the end, and that does seem to be my current coping technique, but there is a voice gnawing which says, quit distracting yourself. You're turning a blind eye to something here.
Anyone relate?
To answer true or false I think we'd need a consistent definition of happiness, but more and more I notice this too and it gets to the point where you can see other people causing themselves misery all in this pursuit of happiness. Isn't that twisted around on itself? Seems bassackwards.
Who filled our heads with this shit? Honestly is the question I'm starting to wonder. If no one had proposed such a ludicrous thing as happy-ever-after maybe we would enjoy the simplicity of being without such scrutiny. Maybe happiness is the acceptance of the whole wave, both the top and the bottom, and going with the flow now matter how low it gets.
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Re: happy endings [Re: Tropism] 1
#18828374 - 09/11/13 03:35 PM (10 years, 4 months ago) |
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I was going to mention the idea that the overarching story isn't a story at all but a series of stories. Life is many stories with many endings, and beginnings.
Some of them may be happy ones.
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Re: happy endings [Re: Kickle]
#18828763 - 09/11/13 04:59 PM (10 years, 4 months ago) |
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Not all massages end with a happy ending
As far as satisfaction goes, I've been wondering about it myself. Sometimes I've felt satisfied within some ideological bounds but I'm skeptical that I was ever truly content, Stockholm syndrome you know.
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Repertoire89 said: Not all massages end with a happy ending
As far as satisfaction goes, I've been wondering about it myself. Sometimes I've felt satisfied within some ideological bounds but I'm skeptical that I was ever truly content, Stockholm syndrome you know.
When getting jerked off Becomes really getting jerked off It's a bit like Dr. Jerkyl Pulling Mr. Hyde
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Re: happy endings [Re: Kickle]
#18831045 - 09/12/13 02:21 AM (10 years, 4 months ago) |
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Yes I relate.
I think your intitial quote is true.
I think in hindsight everything seems better than what it was. Foresight is a good thing only to put us on a path in society. Its nice to feel good about the future, but its just as fake as the hindsight rememberance.
Being content in the now is the happiest beginning and ending one can have.
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Re: happy endings [Re: cez]
#18832400 - 09/12/13 01:06 PM (10 years, 4 months ago) |
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This nice video called Seneca on Anger comes to mind. I like how it mentions a misguided sense of optimism, basically a delusion about reality, that most people suffer from and indulge in. They encourage their friends, kids, everybody, to indulge in it as well.
I've never understood some things about the way people raise children. Why are curse words taboo under a certain age? Why is nudity taboo? Seems to be just fine with kids in tribes, and has been for ages. Why would kids need to have information edited and sugar coated, instead of presented as it is? I do agree with OP, some very confusing signals coming our way as kids, compared to what life actually brings later.
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Spacerific said: This nice video called Seneca on Anger comes to mind. I like how it mentions a misguided sense of optimism, basically a delusion about reality, that most people suffer from and indulge in. They encourage their friends, kids, everybody, to indulge in it as well.
I've never understood some things about the way people raise children. Why are curse words taboo under a certain age? Why is nudity taboo? Seems to be just fine with kids in tribes, and has been for ages. Why would kids need to have information edited and sugar coated, instead of presented as it is?
I do agree with OP, some very confusing signals coming our way as kids, compared to what life actually brings later.
It's all a delusion. There is no reality, therefore the happy ending exists. Death does not exist, hence Santa Claus comes down the chimney and is truly the one eating cookies.
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Re: happy endings [Re: Kickle]
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And so I could cycle around and around chasing those brief moments and hoping that I can continue in that way until the end, and that does seem to be my current coping technique,
i cant see much beyond this. coping techniques seem a necessity.. or maybe mine are too far ingrained... but i do recognize from behind them i can still enact positive things..
i don't really like the terminology of 'cycling' & 'chasing'.. i mean ppl often use it to denote something negative, a lack of progress or control. like a gambling addict or drunkard might be cycling or chasing something through their menial repetitions..
perhaps it can be used in positive ways too..? like how to learn new things you must cycle through old ones? how each new thing you learn transforms the old things... or something.
maybe cycles can expand or contract, or be open or closed..
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but there is a voice gnawing which says, quit distracting yourself. You're turning a blind eye to something here.
does the voice think there might be some way out..? perhaps....
a happy ending?
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Re: happy endings [Re: quinn]
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yah quinn that's cool
I sometimes do try and put a nice spin on cycles. like it doesn't matter what I do, the nature of existence is cyclic. so may as well try and use those cycles to my advantage. one time 'round might seem rough, and so the next time 'round i might try to view it in a different way in order to lighten up about it, and the next time 'round i might actually be able to float on it a bit.
but in the end i don't think existence is particularly enjoyable as a whole. we come into the world screaming and crying for the most part and then we struggle against circumstances for quite a while trying to make it better, finding some relief here and there but never for long, and then eventually we can't even really struggle for better any longer and finally the inevitable happens; we die.
IMO the voice is pointing out to me, at least in part, that such a coping mechanism is blind to the ways in which I am willingly subjecting myself to this sort of cyclic existence. to go after a positive outcome in any sense means that I have to be seeing a negative outcome. it points right at desires IMO. and more specifically at me being ignorant of the nature of my desires and their role in keeping me pressing forward in pursuit of a happy ending.
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Re: happy endings [Re: Kickle]
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I can read it too many ways, how do you mean it?
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Re: happy endings [Re: Kickle]
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How to crucify the ego? As it's yoyo'ing cycles are becoming more frequent. How do I subdue this delinquent and it's subsequent blindings.
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Re: happy endings [Re: Kickle]
#18872165 - 09/21/13 01:24 PM (10 years, 4 months ago) |
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...and from desiring liberation?
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Re: happy endings [Re: Kickle]
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Kickle said: βTo understand the limitation of things, desire them.β β Lao Tzu, Tao Te Ching
I bet you are fun to hang out with. Always full of interesting stuff.
I mean not that we aren't "hanging around" here.
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I suppose one finds the limitations born of such a desire and then either works to overcome those limitations or surrenders to them.
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Kickle said: βTo understand the limitation of things, desire them.β β Lao Tzu, Tao Te Ching
I bet you are fun to hang out with. Always full of interesting stuff.
I mean not that we aren't "hanging around" here.
You get the best of me here on the forums. I'm a better writer than speaker. Not that I'm inept in person, I just don't think as clearly when I speak as when I type.
Thanks though
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Re: happy endings [Re: Kickle]
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I'm a better writer than speaker. Not that I'm inept in person, I just don't think as clearly when I speak as when I type.
Which should logically work the same for everyone apart from dyslectics and people with low or no reading comprehension and writing skill.
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liquidlounge said: I'm a better writer than speaker. Not that I'm inept in person, I just don't think as clearly when I speak as when I type.
Which should logically work the same for everyone apart from dyslectics and people with low or no reading and writing comprehension.
Isn't it dyslexics?
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That was the point.
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liquidlounge said: That was the point.
I just never know with you. Always one step ahead like a tap dancer.
Or something.
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Re: happy endings [Re: Kickle]
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Kickle said: βTo understand the limitation of things, desire them.β β Lao Tzu, Tao Te Ching
I bet you are fun to hang out with. Always full of interesting stuff.
I mean not that we aren't "hanging around" here.
You get the best of me here on the forums. I'm a better writer than speaker. Not that I'm inept in person, I just don't think as clearly when I speak as when I type.
Thanks though 
You're welcome. I don't think clearly, ever, so that's how that goes.
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Re: happy endings [Re: Kickle]
#18872381 - 09/21/13 02:07 PM (10 years, 4 months ago) |
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Kickle said: I suppose one finds the limitations born of such a desire and then either works to overcome those limitations or surrenders to them.
Am I in the wrong forum?
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Re: happy endings [Re: Kickle]
#18872472 - 09/21/13 02:28 PM (10 years, 4 months ago) |
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ya cool post. i will just add, i see nothing wrong with positive desires or seeing negative outcomes so long as the desires are realizable & realistic (which otherwise would cause suffering in their unfulfillment)..
life is so weird tho.. *sigh*.
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Re: happy endings [Re: quinn]
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i posted something in my journal once that said 'i want to become a good will monster'.
it was kind of related to this idea, that idk if i can ever be totally realistic or rational but if you have to be a monster of some kind at least be one that produces a surplus of good will
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Re: happy endings [Re: quinn]
#18872557 - 09/21/13 02:48 PM (10 years, 4 months ago) |
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liquidlounge said: That was the point.
I just never know with you. Always one step ahead like a tap dancer.
Or something.
Things could be better.
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liquidlounge said: That was the point.
I just never know with you. Always one step ahead like a tap dancer.
Or something.
Things could be better.
Holy shit. Metallica Through The Never On IMAX.
How could things get any better?
http://www.imdb.com/title/tt2172935/
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Re: happy endings [Re: Kickle] 1
#18874582 - 09/22/13 02:38 AM (10 years, 4 months ago) |
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Kickle said: but in the end i don't think existence is particularly enjoyable as a whole. we come into the world screaming and crying for the most part and then we struggle against circumstances for quite a while trying to make it better, finding some relief here and there but never for long, and then eventually we can't even really struggle for better any longer and finally the inevitable happens; we die.
It's this thinking that makes it hard for me to care about trying to 'make something of myself'. You work your ass off for fleeting pleasure, and after the initial self-satisfied rush, you quickly acclimate to your new environment and hope to find the next source of that ego inflating rush.
I've seen so many examples of this in miserable yet wealthy men.
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Re: happy endings [Re: Kickle]
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I read The Forerunner by Kahlil Gibran this morning, then stumbled upon this thread and these two pieces popped back into mind...
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THE DYING MAN AND THE VULTURE
Wait, wait yet awhile, my eager friend. I shall yield but too soon this wasted thing, Whose agony overwrought and useless Exhausts your patience. I would not have your honest hunger Wait upon these moments: But this chain, though made of breath, Is hard to break. And the will to die, Stronger than all things strong, Is stayed by a will to live Feebler than all things feeble. Forgive me, comrade; I tarry too long. It is memory that holds my spirit; A procession of distant days, A vision of youth spent in a dream, A face that bids my eyelids not to sleep, A voice that lingers in my ears, A hand that touches my hand. Forgive me that you have waited too long. It is over now, and all is faded: The face, the voice, the hand and the mist that brought them hither. The knot is untied. The cord is cleaved. And that which is neither food nor drink is withdrawn. Approach, my hungry comrade; The board is made ready. And the fare, frugal and spare, Is given with love. Come, and dig your beak here, into the left side, And tear out of its cage this smaller bird, Whose wings can beat no more: I would have it soar with you into the sky. Come now, my friend, I am your host tonight, And you my welcome guest.
BEYOND MY SOLITUDE
Beyond my solitude is another solitude, and to him who dwells therein my aloneness is a crowded market-place and my silence a confusion of sounds. Too young am I and too restless to seek that above-solitude. The voices of yonder valley still hold my ears and its shadows bar my way and I cannot go. Beyond these hills is a grove of enchantment and to him who dwells therein my peace is but a whirlwind and my enchantment an illusion. Too young am I and too riotous to seek that sacred grove. The taste of blood is clinging in my mouth, and the bow and the arrows of my fathers yet linger in my hand and I cannot go. Beyond this burdened self lives my freer self; and to him my dreams are a battle fought in twilight and my desires the rattling of bones. Too young am I and too outraged to be my freer self. And how shall I become my freer self unless I slay my burdened selves, or unless all men become free? How shall the eagle in me soar against the sun until my fledglings leave the nest which I with my own beak have built for them?
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Re: happy endings [Re: Memories]
#18875658 - 09/22/13 12:08 PM (10 years, 4 months ago) |
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Kickle said: but in the end i don't think existence is particularly enjoyable as a whole. we come into the world screaming and crying for the most part and then we struggle against circumstances for quite a while trying to make it better, finding some relief here and there but never for long, and then eventually we can't even really struggle for better any longer and finally the inevitable happens; we die.
It's this thinking that makes it hard for me to care about trying to 'make something of myself'. You work your ass off for fleeting pleasure, and after the initial self-satisfied rush, you quickly acclimate to your new environment and hope to find the next source of that ego inflating rush.
I've seen so many examples of this in miserable yet wealthy men.
Yeah I've been wondering recently if I'd even want to become wealthy, say I was offered a record contract today with millions of dollars in the loop. What do I do then?
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Take it of course. Just because you have money doesn't mean you'll be unhappy.
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Well I would take it, but there would need to be some new purpose to drive my life. It sure wouldn't be philanthropy, I won't contribute to this intellectually delinquent species well being
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I'd buy a very nice private ranch and hang out with my friends and dogs and do lots of hiking and fishing.
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That's essentially what I would do, just sort of realized over the past few months that all my goals in life were artificial constructions based on false ideologies. All that's left which makes sense to me is hedonism, its probably the best or must realistic goal but will take some time to adjust to I think
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Happy for some. I think I'd be happy most of the time.
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Re: happy endings [Re: Kickle]
#18880859 - 09/23/13 02:21 PM (10 years, 4 months ago) |
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As a LaVeyan Satanist and a realist I believe that there is only the now. There is no end except for death... which means that in order for me to have a happy ending I have to do as much as I can in the life that I have so I will feel accomplished when I am done. There is nothing wrong with looking back at past successes so long as they don't cloud your ability to look forward.
Our parents gave us life, our bodies will give us death, and our mind is what determines our daily happiness and if we will have a happy ending.
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Re: happy endings [Re: abatu666]
#18880922 - 09/23/13 02:49 PM (10 years, 4 months ago) |
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-------------------- "Don't believe everything you think". -Anom. " All that lives was born to die"-Anom. With much wisdom comes much sorrow, The more knowledge, the more grief. Ecclesiastes circa 350 BC
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Icelander said: Take it of course. Just because you have money doesn't mean you'll be unhappy.
^Truth

Buuuuut, it doesn't mean that you will be happy either.
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Re: happy endings [Re: Kickle]
#18955619 - 10/09/13 05:54 PM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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Not a single story will ever end and that is the real happy ending.
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Re: happy endings [Re: Kickle]
#18962878 - 10/11/13 07:35 AM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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Kickle said: "If you want a happy ending, that depends, of course, on where you stop your story."
True or false?
From the earliest years most of us are pumped full of the idea that once you overcome the single source of evil in the world then you can live happily ever after. But there is zero evidence of such a fairy tale to be found. No problem though, right? No one believes an evil witch has poisoned a princess after all. But how many believe in happily ever after? Do you? I mean really. If not, how do you cope? Does anyone else feel as though some sense of hope for a happily ever after is fundamental to healthy goal making and also a key motivator for achievement? If it is absent, then second fiddle of "happier than I am now" comes in? Doesnt this require some sense of permanence as well to be worthwhile? I mean, I can think of lots of ecstatic moments that put the present one to shame. But of course none of them lasted. And to make it my goal to return to them just to find myself reflecting on them after seems somewhat... ill conceived. Like a partial con that wouldn't quite fool me into any sense of a happy ending. And so I could cycle around and around chasing those brief moments and hoping that I can continue in that way until the end, and that does seem to be my current coping technique, but there is a voice gnawing which says, quit distracting yourself. You're turning a blind eye to something here.
Anyone relate?
I think it is false, because if you choose to end the story of life, then you are killing yourself, and how is that a happy ending?
If you die naturally you aren't choosing where the story ends.
Unless of course you are only talking about Fairy Tales, then you aren't really choosing where the story ends, but the Author is choosing it, you would just be choosing not to finish the story.
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Re: happy endings [Re: teknix]
#18962904 - 10/11/13 07:46 AM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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I think offing yourself on a high note could be a happy ending. I see people who have had a pretty easy or good life go down in flames and suffering with disease and old age.
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A high not for who? It is entirely subjective, as is the question.
Is it a high note for the reader, or the actor or the author, or some of their family and friends? Is it a high not for their remembrance in the future?
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Re: happy endings [Re: teknix]
#18963201 - 10/11/13 09:56 AM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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That's right, subjective. We are all giving our subjective opinions because that is all that is possible with this question. If you take the feelings of every person on earth into account regarding your actions and choices you'd have a hard time moving forward. So I try to do what is best for myself and then allow for others to do the same. As long as we don't harm others physically in doing so.
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Re: happy endings [Re: teknix]
#18963509 - 10/11/13 11:24 AM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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There we go agreeing again. 
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