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Shahal Rainrix
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Dreaming Nomad said: I don't think the nutritional content of the substrate plays a major role in determining potency and yield. Hell, we don't even use the most nutritious materials available in our bulk grows because it'd be easier for contams to take hold, I think. Straw, poo and the like are mildly nutritious compared to grains. If you're trying to maximize quality, I'd focus on genetics and environment more than anything.
Substrate effects on mushrooms
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Every time 2 spores meet they make unique genetics. You'll have to learn how to isolate and/or clone on agar. Start reading bud! It is quite a bit of info to take in.
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Shahal Rainrix
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Re: Feeding Shroom (Need Help w/ info) [Re: Stromrider]
#18823977 - 09/10/13 03:41 PM (10 years, 5 months ago) |
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I know that and it is something I'll do, but people are ignoring me. I want stronger substrate to encouQuote:
psillyshroomer said: Every time 2 spores meet they make unique genetics. You'll have to learn how to isolate and/or clone on agar. Start reading bud! It is quite a bit of info to take in. 
That info is already everywhere and I've known it for a while. It also takes time to do that. So in the mean time, I want better substrate.
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SpitballJedi
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The number one nutrient mushrooms need to feed on comes from spores from bacteria, molds, and other fungi, especially trichoderma.
Good luck and happy cultivating.
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Stromrider
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Re: Feeding Shroom (Need Help w/ info) [Re: SpitballJedi]
#18824030 - 09/10/13 03:59 PM (10 years, 5 months ago) |
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SpitballJedi said: The number one nutrient mushrooms need to feed on comes from spores from bacteria, molds, and other fungi, especially trichoderma.
Good luck and happy cultivating.
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Shahal Rainrix
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Re: Feeding Shroom (Need Help w/ info) [Re: Stromrider]
#18824101 - 09/10/13 04:22 PM (10 years, 5 months ago) |
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SpitballJedi said: The number one nutrient mushrooms need to feed on comes from spores from bacteria, molds, and other fungi, especially trichoderma.
Good luck and happy cultivating.
Now what are those nutrients? A list would be nice.
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I think all of the substrate blends need to be reformulated they're just equine-crapshoots. I mean think about the thousands of failures and thousand more successes. Too bad none of that has yielded a super-substrate and it's unfortunate because we are all just sailing in the dark given that we could be making super substrates with our agar-time.
I wonder if it's the poor substrate(diet) that helps native Africans run so well surely it's not genetic(selection).
It's less what they eat and more how their genes eat what they get and transform it into a mushroom.
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Stromrider
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Shahal Rainrix said:
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SpitballJedi said: The number one nutrient mushrooms need to feed on comes from spores from bacteria, molds, and other fungi, especially trichoderma.
Good luck and happy cultivating.
Now what are those nutrients? A list would be nice.
thanks I needed that! I'm getting ready to work a 12 hour shift and I am not in the best mood but now I feel better. I owe you one spitball!
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Re: Feeding Shroom (Need Help w/ info) [Re: Stromrider]
#18824201 - 09/10/13 04:47 PM (10 years, 5 months ago) |
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He is fucking with you shah! You see there is a small group of experienced cultivators that frequent this forum and answer most of the questions. These are a good group of guys that are very polite and helpful. However when you act like a tool they will flame you pretty hard. You can learn a lot on here if you go about it right. Remember that
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Shahal Rainrix
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Re: Feeding Shroom (Need Help w/ info) [Re: Stromrider]
#18824280 - 09/10/13 05:02 PM (10 years, 5 months ago) |
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I don't care, and I'll act how I like just as you do. I only wanted one thing and if no one wants to help, that's fine. If people don't want to be flamed then they should avoid posting things a person says they don't want.
All I wanted was a list of nutrients and thoughts on supplemental feeding. I asked here for new perspective. So now its on to plan B, trial and error.
To bad no one gave me anything that I didn't already know.
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Re: Feeding Shroom (Need Help w/ info) [Re: Stromrider]
#18824304 - 09/10/13 05:07 PM (10 years, 5 months ago) |
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Re: Feeding Shroom (Need Help w/ info) [Re: Stromrider]
#18824315 - 09/10/13 05:09 PM (10 years, 5 months ago) |
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Yep too bad for us! Now we will never get to eat your super grow! (Yes I just replaced a small but useful post with snark due to your most recent reply. You reap what you sow.)
My final advice is you need to think about what a mushroom really is and its job in the lifecycle.
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Re: Feeding Shroom (Need Help w/ info) [Re: StygianKnight]
#18824341 - 09/10/13 05:17 PM (10 years, 5 months ago) |
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Diet has an effect on all thing. A rich diet effects growth, size and many other things. After a few generations diet can have profound effects on genes.
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All joking aside...
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Shahal Rainrix said: If I can obtain the right info then I could simply order pure nutrients without dead weight online. I want the cake to be pure powerfood for the fungus.
No. You can't. Someone might can, but it's not you. You don't have the skills, experience, or knowledge to accomplish this approach.
If you could collect the data on all the trajectories of all the particles in all the universe, then you could calculate where they started and where they will end up.
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Shahal Rainrix said: ...but I can't help but feel I'm missing something.

You are not likely to get the answers you are looking for just by simply asking. You are going to have to do heavy research and conduct experiments. What you are looking for is very complex and not as well understood as you might think. You might as well be asking for a nutrient list for producing humans.
Many people are aware of some of the basic elements mushrooms and mycelium use as nutrients. But a lot of what they need is still somewhat of a mystery.
Instead, over the years, what people have come up with is substrate and agar material.
Instead of trying to reinvent the wheel by simply asking "what do mushrooms like?", a better question may be like "what's in coir, vermiculite, and gypsum that mushrooms seem to like?" and that sort of stuff. If you have the answer to that type of question, then you will be on your way to answering your original question.
What part of the substrate is "dead weight"?
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Re: Feeding Shroom (Need Help w/ info) [Re: SpitballJedi]
#18824876 - 09/10/13 07:23 PM (10 years, 5 months ago) |
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SpitballJedi said: All joking aside...
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Shahal Rainrix said: If I can obtain the right info then I could simply order pure nutrients without dead weight online. I want the cake to be pure powerfood for the fungus.
No. You can't. Someone might can, but it's not you. You don't have the skills, experience, or knowledge to accomplish this approach.
If you could collect the data on all the trajectories of all the particles in all the universe, then you could calculate where they started and where they will end up.
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Shahal Rainrix said: ...but I can't help but feel I'm missing something.

You are not likely to get the answers you are looking for just by simply asking. You are going to have to do heavy research and conduct experiments. What you are looking for is very complex and not as well understood as you might think. You might as well be asking for a nutrient list for producing humans.
Many people are aware of some of the basic elements mushrooms and mycelium use as nutrients. But a lot of what they need is still somewhat of a mystery.
Instead, over the years, what people have come up with is substrate and agar material.
Instead of trying to reinvent the wheel by simply asking "what do mushrooms like?", a better question may be like "what's in coir, vermiculite, and gypsum that mushrooms seem to like?" and that sort of stuff. If you have the answer to that type of question, then you will be on your way to answering your original question.
What part of the substrate is "dead weight"?
Nutrient List of the Human Body. It took one google search and it was top of the list. : )
To bad I can't find a straight answer on how mushrooms absorb nutrients. And I already asked my self that. I didn't even need a nutrient list for mushrooms. I was hoping people were smart enough to get the same list I did.
Here you go, a list of the makeup that make a mushroom.
) Nutritional value per 100 g (3.5 oz)
Carbohydrates 4.1 g Fat 0.1 g Protein 2.5 g Thiamine (vit. B1) 0.1 mg (9%) Riboflavin (vit. B2) 0.5 mg (42%) Niacin (vit. B3) 3.8 mg (25%) Pantothenic acid (B5) 1.5 mg (30%) Vitamin C 0 mg (0%) Calcium 18 mg (2%) Phosphorus 120 mg (17%) Potassium 448 mg (10%) Sodium 6 mg (0%) Zinc 1.1 mg (12%) ((Also 1 google search))
Not hard to find. I should have seen atleast 1 person post this. No one seemed to care what I was after from the start though. But whatever.
Like I said before, I wanted fresh perspective. In case you are wondering why I didn't come out and post the info I already have.
And dead weight is anything that the mushroom doesn't need or need as much. Like zinc, how much zinc would be to much in the substrate.
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Shahal Rainrix said: I don't care, and I'll act how I like just as you do. I only wanted one thing and if no one wants to help, that's fine. If people don't want to be flamed then they should avoid posting things a person says they don't want.
All I wanted was a list of nutrients and thoughts on supplemental feeding. I asked here for new perspective. So now its on to plan B, trial and error.
To bad no one gave me anything that I didn't already know.
YEAH YEAH ! You tell them!.You only came here for info and to get people to do some free work for you. Fuck their feelings you don't need to treat them with any type of respect. Besides they don't know shit anyway everything anyone said to you you already know by default.
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Re: Feeding Shroom (Need Help w/ info) [Re: Stromrider]
#18824962 - 09/10/13 07:44 PM (10 years, 5 months ago) |
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psillyshroomer said: Coco coir mixed with vermiculite works great and is super easy.
Poo is said to perform better but I have never used it since coir works so good for cubes and is so simple
My advice is if you want better performance think more about genetics and less about substrate blends
Can't find any coir here except in hydro shops
but that needs to be pasteurized, is there any easier way?
isn't there any places selling cheap coir that you don't have to pasteurize?
$25 for a handsized brick of coir sounds expensive, in a reptilian store would only make for a few grows?
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Re: Feeding Shroom (Need Help w/ info) [Re: lessismore]
#18824978 - 09/10/13 07:46 PM (10 years, 5 months ago) |
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I brick of coir at petco is $3
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Re: Feeding Shroom (Need Help w/ info) [Re: lessismore]
#18824994 - 09/10/13 07:49 PM (10 years, 5 months ago) |
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mio said:
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psillyshroomer said: Coco coir mixed with vermiculite works great and is super easy.
Poo is said to perform better but I have never used it since coir works so good for cubes and is so simple
My advice is if you want better performance think more about genetics and less about substrate blends
Can't find any coir here except in hydro shops
but that needs to be pasteurized, is there any easier way?
isn't there any places selling cheap coir that you don't have to pasteurize?
$25 for a handsized brick of coir sounds expensive, in a reptilian store would only make for a few grows?
You are not gonna find any that does not need to be pasteurized. $25 is way way way too much. You should be able to find 3 bricks for around 7 bucks or so online + shipping if its your last choice. Otherwise check out any garden supply stores or home improvement stores in your area they should carry it.
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That... is the nutritional value of "Mushrooms, brown, Italian, or Crimini, raw". And you know that very well, because it says so on the page you found the information, right above the list. It even still contains the "relative percentage of recommended daily intake for adult human male" for crying out loud.
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Shahal Rainrix said: Not hard to find. I should have seen atleast 1 person post this. No one seemed to care what I was after from the start though. But whatever.
Was this really what you wanted? Cause I think the answers you got were better..
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