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OfflinePatlal
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Re: Iowa Issues Permits for the Blind to Carry Guns in Public [Re: badchad] * 2
    #18822809 - 09/10/13 10:31 AM (10 years, 5 months ago)

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I don't see any additional risk to the public simply by carrying a weapon.  In addition, it is antithetical to any notion of "freedom" to ban safe conduct because there is a potential for some to act in an unsafe manner.




The risk lies in using the weapon they are carrying.  Nearly every behavior imaginable has some degree of risk or "unsafeness"; even something as simple as walking down the stairs.  Thus, we have rules and regulations to govern aspects of our behavior.  One might imagine a system of complete anarchy as unsafe.




Give up dude. If he can't understand that blind people with guns is a bad idea, that's his problem. It's like trying to convert a fanatic religious guy. We all know it's nonsense, but he'll never see it that way


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Re: Iowa Issues Permits for the Blind to Carry Guns in Public [Re: druqs]
    #18822814 - 09/10/13 10:32 AM (10 years, 5 months ago)

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whats next?! blind people driving?  or even reading!!

crazy world. :royalrainbow:




you just figured it out for us, we brail convicted criminals


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Re: Iowa Issues Permits for the Blind to Carry Guns in Public [Re: luvdemshrooms]
    #18822831 - 09/10/13 10:36 AM (10 years, 5 months ago)

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why do we just say we gave them guns, but don't--they'll never know!




Being blind doesn't mean you aren't smart enough to realize your hand is empty.



i guess you are right--their sense of touch will probably be super enhanced to compensate for the lack of vision


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Re: Iowa Issues Permits for the Blind to Carry Guns in Public [Re: badchad]
    #18822832 - 09/10/13 10:36 AM (10 years, 5 months ago)

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The risk lies in using the weapon they are carrying.



Using the weapon in public/unsafely is already illegal for everyone.  Why should the blind lose the freedom to carry when it is equally safe for them to carry as it is for a sighted person.


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Re: Iowa Issues Permits for the Blind to Carry Guns in Public [Re: shivas.wisdom]
    #18822839 - 09/10/13 10:37 AM (10 years, 5 months ago)

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luvdemshrooms said:
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shivas.wisdom said:
why do we just say we gave them guns, but don't--they'll never know!




Being blind doesn't mean you aren't smart enough to realize your hand is empty.



i guess you are right--their sense of touch will probably be super enhanced to compensate for the lack of vision




And therefore aim better.

Flawless logic


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Re: Iowa Issues Permits for the Blind to Carry Guns in Public [Re: Patlal]
    #18822840 - 09/10/13 10:38 AM (10 years, 5 months ago)

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Give up dude. If he can't understand that blind people with guns is a bad idea, that's his problem.



That's not the issue.  Of course it's a bad idea...

In America, we try not to take someone's freedom away simply because something they do might be a "bad idea."


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Re: Iowa Issues Permits for the Blind to Carry Guns in Public [Re: shivas.wisdom]
    #18822852 - 09/10/13 10:41 AM (10 years, 5 months ago)

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shivas.wisdom said:
why do we just say we gave them guns, but don't--they'll never know!




Being blind doesn't mean you aren't smart enough to realize your hand is empty.



i guess you are right--their sense of touch will probably be super enhanced to compensate for the lack of vision




Your senses don't need to be "super enhanced" to know your hand is empty.

You should have chosen a better pic.


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Re: Iowa Issues Permits for the Blind to Carry Guns in Public [Re: Enlil]
    #18822855 - 09/10/13 10:42 AM (10 years, 5 months ago)

Freedom and the idealism of personal responsibility you fucking slaves of socially comditioned reasoning. That is what this man is trying to convey.


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Re: Iowa Issues Permits for the Blind to Carry Guns in Public [Re: Enlil]
    #18822865 - 09/10/13 10:44 AM (10 years, 5 months ago)

...Really Enlil? We shouldn't allow them to carry guns for the same reason that we don't allow them to drive cars. It is not just as unsafe for them to use either thing as a sighted person. It is spectacularly more unsafe, for spectacularly obvious reasons. Can a blind man look into the chamber to be sure his gun is unloaded?

That is like saying, "Hey, we should let everyone carry around hand grenades, it's already illegal to use them, so where's the harm in carrying them?" :rolleyes:


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Re: Iowa Issues Permits for the Blind to Carry Guns in Public [Re: luvdemshrooms]
    #18822872 - 09/10/13 10:46 AM (10 years, 5 months ago)

I'd want a gun if I was blind.


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Re: Iowa Issues Permits for the Blind to Carry Guns in Public [Re: Lynnch]
    #18822873 - 09/10/13 10:46 AM (10 years, 5 months ago)

You didn't read carefully enough.

I'm not advocating for allowing blind people to use guns in public...or for anyone to do so...I'm advocating allowing blind people to CARRY guns.  It's not analogous to DRIVING A CAR...it's more analogous to RIDING IN A CAR.


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Re: Iowa Issues Permits for the Blind to Carry Guns in Public [Re: Lynnch] * 1
    #18822875 - 09/10/13 10:47 AM (10 years, 5 months ago)

I'm amazed how many of you are missing Enlil's point.


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Re: Iowa Issues Permits for the Blind to Carry Guns in Public [Re: Yage]
    #18822877 - 09/10/13 10:47 AM (10 years, 5 months ago)

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I'd want a gun if I was blind.




I too would want a gun if you were blind.


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Re: Iowa Issues Permits for the Blind to Carry Guns in Public [Re: luvdemshrooms]
    #18822883 - 09/10/13 10:49 AM (10 years, 5 months ago)

A blind man can listen to the sound of the round being chambered thus allowing him the insight into whether a gun is loaded or not...


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Re: Iowa Issues Permits for the Blind to Carry Guns in Public [Re: luvdemshrooms]
    #18822908 - 09/10/13 10:54 AM (10 years, 5 months ago)

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I'm amazed how many of you are missing Enlil's point.




To not have your constitutional rights breached due to a disability?

I'm sorry, but the disability is disabling you enough to justify not giving a blind man a gun do to COMMON SENSE


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Re: Iowa Issues Permits for the Blind to Carry Guns in Public [Re: luvdemshrooms]
    #18822909 - 09/10/13 10:54 AM (10 years, 5 months ago)

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You should have chosen a better pic.



pic was unrelated for comedic enhancement--you ruined my funny!


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Re: Iowa Issues Permits for the Blind to Carry Guns in Public [Re: Enlil] * 2
    #18822917 - 09/10/13 10:57 AM (10 years, 5 months ago)

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...it's more analogous to RIDING IN A CAR.



No. It's more like saying
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"Hey, we should let everyone carry around hand grenades, it's already illegal to use them, so where's the harm in carrying them?" :rolleyes:




Nobody carries a loaded gun just for looks. There is the intention there that they will use it if necessary. And as noted before, it is simply impossible for a blind person to operate a weapon safely.

I can understand a blind person owning a car, I can understand a blind person owning a gun. I do not accept the reasoning of 'Freedom1!11!!' to let them drive that car or carry that weapon loaded where it might kill someone.

It's like riding in a car but making them responsible for telling the driver what color the traffic lights are.


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Re: Iowa Issues Permits for the Blind to Carry Guns in Public [Re: Enlil]
    #18822921 - 09/10/13 10:58 AM (10 years, 5 months ago)


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You didn't read carefully enough.

I'm not advocating for allowing blind people to use guns in public...or for anyone to do so...I'm advocating allowing blind people to CARRY guns.  It's not analogous to DRIVING A CAR...it's more analogous to RIDING IN A CAR.




The blind person can find a friendly stranger to shoot people for him.


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Re: Iowa Issues Permits for the Blind to Carry Guns in Public [Re: Patlal]
    #18822929 - 09/10/13 11:01 AM (10 years, 5 months ago)

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I'm amazed how many of you are missing Enlil's point.




To not have your constitutional rights breached due to a disability?




Does a blind person lose their right to freedom of speech? The right to not incriminate themselves? The right to be free from illegal search?

A right is a right.


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I'm sorry, but the disability is disabling you enough to justify not giving a blind man a gun do to COMMON SENSE




Common sense should tell you a blind man is entitled to the same rights as the rest of us.


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Re: Iowa Issues Permits for the Blind to Carry Guns in Public [Re: shivas.wisdom]
    #18822932 - 09/10/13 11:02 AM (10 years, 5 months ago)

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You should have chosen a better pic.



pic was unrelated for comedic enhancement--you ruined my funny!




No, that's on you.

Had the guy in the pic had a banana, stick or brick in his hands you would have stood a chance.


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