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Iowa Issues Permits for the Blind to Carry Guns in Public
#18822089 - 09/10/13 05:32 AM (10 years, 5 months ago) |
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Iowa is granting gun carry permits to people who are legally blind or completely blind that will allow them to display, and use if necessary, the guns in public places.
According to the Des Moines Register, the issue has become the subject of debate between disability rights advocates and law enforcement officials about its impact on public safety.
Iowa state law does not allow sheriffs to deny an Iowan the right to carry a weapon based on physical ability, and the Gun Control Act of 1968 and other federal laws do not prohibit blind people from owning guns. Unlike Iowa, however, some states have a variety of vision requirements as a prerequisite to obtaining a permit.
Though the visually impaired have long had the right to private gun ownership in Iowa, changes in gun permit laws in 2011 have opened the door to allowing the visually impaired to legally carry firearms in public.
http://www.newsmax.com/US/iowa-gun-permites-blind/2013/09/09/id/524618#ixzz2eUKLXZ8G
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Re: Iowa Issues Permits for the Blind to Carry Guns in Public [Re: vinsue]
#18822090 - 09/10/13 05:36 AM (10 years, 5 months ago) |
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I'm speechless 
Why not give them drivers licenses while they're at it?
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Re: Iowa Issues Permits for the Blind to Carry Guns in Public [Re: rulesq] 1
#18822267 - 09/10/13 07:20 AM (10 years, 5 months ago) |
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what in the actual fuck, Iowa?
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Re: Iowa Issues Permits for the Blind to Carry Guns in Public [Re: NWlight]
#18822275 - 09/10/13 07:25 AM (10 years, 5 months ago) |
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I don't see a problem with this. They don't have a license to shoot the gun in public, so it's not really analogous to a driver's license.
Blind people can own, possess, and ride in cars...why shouldn't they be able to own, possess, and carry a gun?
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Re: Iowa Issues Permits for the Blind to Carry Guns in Public [Re: Enlil]
#18822280 - 09/10/13 07:28 AM (10 years, 5 months ago) |
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Because they might shoot it, like they might drive that car... . . .
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Re: Iowa Issues Permits for the Blind to Carry Guns in Public [Re: vinsue]
#18822282 - 09/10/13 07:29 AM (10 years, 5 months ago) |
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They might swing a frying pan wildly and hit someone in the head. Does that mean they shouldn't be able to carry frying pans?
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Re: Iowa Issues Permits for the Blind to Carry Guns in Public [Re: Enlil]
#18822288 - 09/10/13 07:31 AM (10 years, 5 months ago) |
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if I saw someone with an open carry and a cane I would start laughing out loud because I'd be 100% convinced they were trolling
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Re: Iowa Issues Permits for the Blind to Carry Guns in Public [Re: NWlight]
#18822292 - 09/10/13 07:32 AM (10 years, 5 months ago) |
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Unless the cane is white, they're probably just using it to help them walk.
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Re: Iowa Issues Permits for the Blind to Carry Guns in Public [Re: Enlil]
#18822293 - 09/10/13 07:33 AM (10 years, 5 months ago) |
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if they had a guide dog or white cane that would make it even more ridiculous
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Re: Iowa Issues Permits for the Blind to Carry Guns in Public [Re: NWlight]
#18822294 - 09/10/13 07:34 AM (10 years, 5 months ago) |
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We should ban the deaf from possessing ipods...
...and the stupid from possessing physics textbooks...
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Re: Iowa Issues Permits for the Blind to Carry Guns in Public [Re: Enlil] 5
#18822297 - 09/10/13 07:36 AM (10 years, 5 months ago) |
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You're starting to sound like or ... . . .
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Re: Iowa Issues Permits for the Blind to Carry Guns in Public [Re: vinsue]
#18822300 - 09/10/13 07:38 AM (10 years, 5 months ago) |
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I see no reason to infringe on a blind person's autonomy just because of what he "might" do with the gun. If a blind dude wants to carry a gun, more power to him. He's responsible for any damage it does just like the rest of us are, so I don't see any reason to give him any less freedom than you and I enjoy.
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Re: Iowa Issues Permits for the Blind to Carry Guns in Public [Re: vinsue]
#18822301 - 09/10/13 07:39 AM (10 years, 5 months ago) |
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Eh i'm okay with it. You'd be suprised what some blind people can do. With all the hightend senses.. You should be more scared of regular people on the street.
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Re: Iowa Issues Permits for the Blind to Carry Guns in Public [Re: Shortknight]
#18822307 - 09/10/13 07:41 AM (10 years, 5 months ago) |
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True that. I saw a totally blind guy ride a bike and avoiding obstacles by making a noise with his mouth and listening to the way it reflects back.
http://www.abc.net.au/news/2012-02-22/blind-man-sees-with-sound/3844270
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Re: Iowa Issues Permits for the Blind to Carry Guns in Public [Re: vinsue]
#18822312 - 09/10/13 07:45 AM (10 years, 5 months ago) |
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I can understand the 'legally blind' part of it, being legally blind doesn't mean you can't see well enough to shoot, but the completely blind, not so much. Maybe they mean something else when they say 'carry' but I live in Texas and that pretty much means carrying around a loaded gun, ready to use at any time.. A completely blind person should be barred from firing a gun ever, the same as they should be barred from ever driving a car.
As for the argument that the stupid should be barred from using text books, not the greatest analogy.. If anything the stupid should be REQUIRED to use a text book to correct the 'problem' where as shooting a gun/driving a car is not going to help correct the 'problem' in a blind person.
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Re: Iowa Issues Permits for the Blind to Carry Guns in Public [Re: Shroomslip]
#18822322 - 09/10/13 07:50 AM (10 years, 5 months ago) |
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Shroomslip said: A completely blind person should be barred from firing a gun ever, the same as they should be barred from ever driving a car.
Wow, why not just euthanize them while we're at it?
Why shouldn't a blind person be allowed to fire a gun if it is on his own property and he's taken the proper precautions to make sure no one else gets hurt?
Why shouldn't a blind person be allowed to drive a car under the same circumstances?
Why do you hate blind people so much?
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Re: Iowa Issues Permits for the Blind to Carry Guns in Public [Re: Enlil]
#18822332 - 09/10/13 07:52 AM (10 years, 5 months ago) |
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That's just ridiculous. Because a bullet doesn't recognize property borders. Because a car doesn't recognize property borders. I don't hate blind people. Sorry that you don't agree with common sense. Not going to debate it with you, I'm just stating my opinion.
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Re: Iowa Issues Permits for the Blind to Carry Guns in Public [Re: Shroomslip]
#18822342 - 09/10/13 07:56 AM (10 years, 5 months ago) |
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Your opinion is based on sheer ignorance. You must think blind people are just helpless...or you lack all imagination.
There are many ways a blind person could set himself up so that he could shoot and/or drive without any danger of harming someone else.
Of course, that's not even what the OP is about. The OP is about CARRYING a gun. A permit to carry is not a permit to fire the gun in public. If you have the right to carry a gun in public, why do you think a blind person shouldn't?
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Re: Iowa Issues Permits for the Blind to Carry Guns in Public [Re: Enlil]
#18822345 - 09/10/13 07:57 AM (10 years, 5 months ago) |
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How can a blind person ever ensure everyone's safety? He can't tell if someone is down range, even if he builds a concrete bunker how does he know someone hasn't sneaked in? He can't see. If he uses someone's aid to shoot, how does he know that the helper isn't setting him up for murder or something? He doesn't. If the shooter can't verify his target, he shouldn't be shooting. That's pretty much gun safety 101.. Verify your target and everything behind it before taking a shot.
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Re: Iowa Issues Permits for the Blind to Carry Guns in Public [Re: Shroomslip]
#18822348 - 09/10/13 07:58 AM (10 years, 5 months ago) |
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How many times are you going to edit that post?
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