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Iowa Issues Permits for the Blind to Carry Guns in Public
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Iowa is granting gun carry permits to people who are legally blind or completely blind that will allow them to display, and use if necessary, the guns in public places.
According to the Des Moines Register, the issue has become the subject of debate between disability rights advocates and law enforcement officials about its impact on public safety.
Iowa state law does not allow sheriffs to deny an Iowan the right to carry a weapon based on physical ability, and the Gun Control Act of 1968 and other federal laws do not prohibit blind people from owning guns. Unlike Iowa, however, some states have a variety of vision requirements as a prerequisite to obtaining a permit.
Though the visually impaired have long had the right to private gun ownership in Iowa, changes in gun permit laws in 2011 have opened the door to allowing the visually impaired to legally carry firearms in public.
http://www.newsmax.com/US/iowa-gun-permites-blind/2013/09/09/id/524618#ixzz2eUKLXZ8G
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Re: Iowa Issues Permits for the Blind to Carry Guns in Public [Re: vinsue]
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I'm speechless 
Why not give them drivers licenses while they're at it?
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Re: Iowa Issues Permits for the Blind to Carry Guns in Public [Re: rulesq] 1
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what in the actual fuck, Iowa?
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Re: Iowa Issues Permits for the Blind to Carry Guns in Public [Re: NWlight]
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I don't see a problem with this. They don't have a license to shoot the gun in public, so it's not really analogous to a driver's license.
Blind people can own, possess, and ride in cars...why shouldn't they be able to own, possess, and carry a gun?
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Re: Iowa Issues Permits for the Blind to Carry Guns in Public [Re: Enlil]
#18822280 - 09/10/13 07:28 AM (10 years, 4 months ago) |
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Because they might shoot it, like they might drive that car... . . .
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Re: Iowa Issues Permits for the Blind to Carry Guns in Public [Re: vinsue]
#18822282 - 09/10/13 07:29 AM (10 years, 4 months ago) |
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They might swing a frying pan wildly and hit someone in the head. Does that mean they shouldn't be able to carry frying pans?
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Re: Iowa Issues Permits for the Blind to Carry Guns in Public [Re: Enlil]
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if I saw someone with an open carry and a cane I would start laughing out loud because I'd be 100% convinced they were trolling
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Re: Iowa Issues Permits for the Blind to Carry Guns in Public [Re: NWlight]
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Unless the cane is white, they're probably just using it to help them walk.
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Re: Iowa Issues Permits for the Blind to Carry Guns in Public [Re: Enlil]
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if they had a guide dog or white cane that would make it even more ridiculous
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Re: Iowa Issues Permits for the Blind to Carry Guns in Public [Re: NWlight]
#18822294 - 09/10/13 07:34 AM (10 years, 4 months ago) |
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We should ban the deaf from possessing ipods...
...and the stupid from possessing physics textbooks...
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Re: Iowa Issues Permits for the Blind to Carry Guns in Public [Re: Enlil] 5
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You're starting to sound like or ... . . .
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Re: Iowa Issues Permits for the Blind to Carry Guns in Public [Re: vinsue]
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I see no reason to infringe on a blind person's autonomy just because of what he "might" do with the gun. If a blind dude wants to carry a gun, more power to him. He's responsible for any damage it does just like the rest of us are, so I don't see any reason to give him any less freedom than you and I enjoy.
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Re: Iowa Issues Permits for the Blind to Carry Guns in Public [Re: vinsue]
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Eh i'm okay with it. You'd be suprised what some blind people can do. With all the hightend senses.. You should be more scared of regular people on the street.
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Re: Iowa Issues Permits for the Blind to Carry Guns in Public [Re: Shortknight]
#18822307 - 09/10/13 07:41 AM (10 years, 4 months ago) |
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True that. I saw a totally blind guy ride a bike and avoiding obstacles by making a noise with his mouth and listening to the way it reflects back.
http://www.abc.net.au/news/2012-02-22/blind-man-sees-with-sound/3844270
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Re: Iowa Issues Permits for the Blind to Carry Guns in Public [Re: vinsue]
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I can understand the 'legally blind' part of it, being legally blind doesn't mean you can't see well enough to shoot, but the completely blind, not so much. Maybe they mean something else when they say 'carry' but I live in Texas and that pretty much means carrying around a loaded gun, ready to use at any time.. A completely blind person should be barred from firing a gun ever, the same as they should be barred from ever driving a car.
As for the argument that the stupid should be barred from using text books, not the greatest analogy.. If anything the stupid should be REQUIRED to use a text book to correct the 'problem' where as shooting a gun/driving a car is not going to help correct the 'problem' in a blind person.
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Re: Iowa Issues Permits for the Blind to Carry Guns in Public [Re: Shroomslip]
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Shroomslip said: A completely blind person should be barred from firing a gun ever, the same as they should be barred from ever driving a car.
Wow, why not just euthanize them while we're at it?
Why shouldn't a blind person be allowed to fire a gun if it is on his own property and he's taken the proper precautions to make sure no one else gets hurt?
Why shouldn't a blind person be allowed to drive a car under the same circumstances?
Why do you hate blind people so much?
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Re: Iowa Issues Permits for the Blind to Carry Guns in Public [Re: Enlil]
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That's just ridiculous. Because a bullet doesn't recognize property borders. Because a car doesn't recognize property borders. I don't hate blind people. Sorry that you don't agree with common sense. Not going to debate it with you, I'm just stating my opinion.
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Re: Iowa Issues Permits for the Blind to Carry Guns in Public [Re: Shroomslip]
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Your opinion is based on sheer ignorance. You must think blind people are just helpless...or you lack all imagination.
There are many ways a blind person could set himself up so that he could shoot and/or drive without any danger of harming someone else.
Of course, that's not even what the OP is about. The OP is about CARRYING a gun. A permit to carry is not a permit to fire the gun in public. If you have the right to carry a gun in public, why do you think a blind person shouldn't?
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Re: Iowa Issues Permits for the Blind to Carry Guns in Public [Re: Enlil]
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How can a blind person ever ensure everyone's safety? He can't tell if someone is down range, even if he builds a concrete bunker how does he know someone hasn't sneaked in? He can't see. If he uses someone's aid to shoot, how does he know that the helper isn't setting him up for murder or something? He doesn't. If the shooter can't verify his target, he shouldn't be shooting. That's pretty much gun safety 101.. Verify your target and everything behind it before taking a shot.
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Re: Iowa Issues Permits for the Blind to Carry Guns in Public [Re: Shroomslip]
#18822348 - 09/10/13 07:58 AM (10 years, 4 months ago) |
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How many times are you going to edit that post?
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Re: Iowa Issues Permits for the Blind to Carry Guns in Public [Re: Enlil]
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As many times as I feel nessecary. What does it matter how many times I edit it?
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Re: Iowa Issues Permits for the Blind to Carry Guns in Public [Re: Shroomslip]
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*necessary.
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You can't counter my argument/opinion so instead you resort to pointing out me editing my post and my spelling. Definitely done wasting my time on you.
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Re: Iowa Issues Permits for the Blind to Carry Guns in Public [Re: Enlil]
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It's just the part about "use" that I personally object to. If they want to shoot guns on their own property that's cool with me.
of course then that begs the question why would you give someone the right to possess a deadly weapon but not the right to use it to defend themselves when their life is in danger 
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Re: Iowa Issues Permits for the Blind to Carry Guns in Public [Re: NWlight]
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NWlight said: It's just the part about "use" that I personally object to. If they want to shoot guns on their own property that's cool with me.
of course then that begs the question why would you give someone the right to possess a deadly weapon but not the right to use it to defend themselves when their life is in danger 
This could go on for pages and pages 
A blind person could effectively use a gun if his life is in danger. Example: If Zimmerman were blind, he still could have pulled out his gun and shot Martin in the way he did. A contact shot is certainly possible.
Of course, we don't want blind people shooting guns in public, but we don't want ANYONE doing that, do we? The reality is that shooting a gun on a public street isn't much safer for a sighted person as it is for a blind person. Carrying a gun, on the other hand, is safe for both...so why take away a blind man's right to carry?
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Re: Iowa Issues Permits for the Blind to Carry Guns in Public [Re: vinsue]
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Is there some sort of contest between the states where the most retarded one wins or something? Cause right now I think, we have a winner. Unless Arkansas does something about it...
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Re: Iowa Issues Permits for the Blind to Carry Guns in Public [Re: Patlal]
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I'm just gonna bump this to let our fellow shroomerites appreciate the the new level of retard that has been achieved today.
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Re: Iowa Issues Permits for the Blind to Carry Guns in Public [Re: Patlal]
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whats next?! blind people driving? or even reading!!
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Re: Iowa Issues Permits for the Blind to Carry Guns in Public [Re: Enlil]
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Enlil said: They might swing a frying pan wildly and hit someone in the head. Does that mean they shouldn't be able to carry frying pans?
Fuck logic 
You can't shoot someone with a frying pan.
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Re: Iowa Issues Permits for the Blind to Carry Guns in Public [Re: Constantine]
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You can't shoot someone with a nuke either, but it's still deadly....and you can certainly kill someone with a frying pan.
I don't see why the potential to "shoot" is somehow deserving of special treatment
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Re: Iowa Issues Permits for the Blind to Carry Guns in Public [Re: Enlil]
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Next thing you know they will be letting them have dogs too. How are they supposed to know when the dog is biting someone?
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Re: Iowa Issues Permits for the Blind to Carry Guns in Public [Re: psi]
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A blind guy once stepped on my foot, too. How dare he be allowed to walk.
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Re: Iowa Issues Permits for the Blind to Carry Guns in Public [Re: vinsue]
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blacks carry guns it's the same.
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Re: Iowa Issues Permits for the Blind to Carry Guns in Public [Re: UnholyChild666]
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Re: Iowa Issues Permits for the Blind to Carry Guns in Public [Re: Konyap]
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why do we just say we gave them guns, but don't--they'll never know!

but seriously, here is a blind marksman with a light to sound scope he invented:
www.youtube.com/watch?v=d1Q5v7kaQaI
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Re: Iowa Issues Permits for the Blind to Carry Guns in Public [Re: Enlil]
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Enlil said: Why shouldn't a blind person be allowed to fire a gun if it is on his own property and he's taken the proper precautions to make sure no one else gets hurt?
Why shouldn't a blind person be allowed to drive a car under the same circumstances?
Because they present a substantially greater risk to the public than a sighted person.
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Re: Iowa Issues Permits for the Blind to Carry Guns in Public [Re: badchad]
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I don't see any additional risk to the public simply by carrying a weapon. In addition, it is antithetical to any notion of "freedom" to ban safe conduct because there is a potential for some to act in an unsafe manner.
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Re: Iowa Issues Permits for the Blind to Carry Guns in Public [Re: badchad]
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I'm glad that they have the freedom to do so. Do I think they should? No but it's the FREEDOM that I'm all about so hell yeah, go blind folks!
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Re: Iowa Issues Permits for the Blind to Carry Guns in Public [Re: Enlil]
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Enlil said: I don't see any additional risk to the public simply by carrying a weapon. In addition, it is antithetical to any notion of "freedom" to ban safe conduct because there is a potential for some to act in an unsafe manner.
The risk lies in using the weapon they are carrying. Nearly every behavior imaginable has some degree of risk or "unsafeness"; even something as simple as walking down the stairs. Thus, we have rules and regulations to govern aspects of our behavior. One might imagine a system of complete anarchy as unsafe.
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Re: Iowa Issues Permits for the Blind to Carry Guns in Public [Re: shivas.wisdom]
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shivas.wisdom said: why do we just say we gave them guns, but don't--they'll never know!
Being blind doesn't mean you aren't smart enough to realize your hand is empty.
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Enlil said: I don't see any additional risk to the public simply by carrying a weapon. In addition, it is antithetical to any notion of "freedom" to ban safe conduct because there is a potential for some to act in an unsafe manner.
The risk lies in using the weapon they are carrying. Nearly every behavior imaginable has some degree of risk or "unsafeness"; even something as simple as walking down the stairs. Thus, we have rules and regulations to govern aspects of our behavior. One might imagine a system of complete anarchy as unsafe.
Give up dude. If he can't understand that blind people with guns is a bad idea, that's his problem. It's like trying to convert a fanatic religious guy. We all know it's nonsense, but he'll never see it that way
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Re: Iowa Issues Permits for the Blind to Carry Guns in Public [Re: druqs]
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druqs said: whats next?! blind people driving? or even reading!!
crazy world. 
you just figured it out for us, we brail convicted criminals
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Re: Iowa Issues Permits for the Blind to Carry Guns in Public [Re: luvdemshrooms]
#18822831 - 09/10/13 10:36 AM (10 years, 4 months ago) |
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shivas.wisdom said: why do we just say we gave them guns, but don't--they'll never know!
Being blind doesn't mean you aren't smart enough to realize your hand is empty.
i guess you are right--their sense of touch will probably be super enhanced to compensate for the lack of vision
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Re: Iowa Issues Permits for the Blind to Carry Guns in Public [Re: badchad]
#18822832 - 09/10/13 10:36 AM (10 years, 4 months ago) |
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badchad said: The risk lies in using the weapon they are carrying.
Using the weapon in public/unsafely is already illegal for everyone. Why should the blind lose the freedom to carry when it is equally safe for them to carry as it is for a sighted person.
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Re: Iowa Issues Permits for the Blind to Carry Guns in Public [Re: shivas.wisdom]
#18822839 - 09/10/13 10:37 AM (10 years, 4 months ago) |
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shivas.wisdom said: why do we just say we gave them guns, but don't--they'll never know!
Being blind doesn't mean you aren't smart enough to realize your hand is empty.
i guess you are right--their sense of touch will probably be super enhanced to compensate for the lack of vision
And therefore aim better.
Flawless logic
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Re: Iowa Issues Permits for the Blind to Carry Guns in Public [Re: Patlal]
#18822840 - 09/10/13 10:38 AM (10 years, 4 months ago) |
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Patlal said: Give up dude. If he can't understand that blind people with guns is a bad idea, that's his problem.
That's not the issue. Of course it's a bad idea...
In America, we try not to take someone's freedom away simply because something they do might be a "bad idea."
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Re: Iowa Issues Permits for the Blind to Carry Guns in Public [Re: shivas.wisdom]
#18822852 - 09/10/13 10:41 AM (10 years, 4 months ago) |
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shivas.wisdom said:
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shivas.wisdom said: why do we just say we gave them guns, but don't--they'll never know!
Being blind doesn't mean you aren't smart enough to realize your hand is empty.
i guess you are right--their sense of touch will probably be super enhanced to compensate for the lack of vision
Your senses don't need to be "super enhanced" to know your hand is empty.
You should have chosen a better pic.
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Re: Iowa Issues Permits for the Blind to Carry Guns in Public [Re: Enlil]
#18822855 - 09/10/13 10:42 AM (10 years, 4 months ago) |
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Freedom and the idealism of personal responsibility you fucking slaves of socially comditioned reasoning. That is what this man is trying to convey.
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Re: Iowa Issues Permits for the Blind to Carry Guns in Public [Re: Enlil]
#18822865 - 09/10/13 10:44 AM (10 years, 4 months ago) |
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...Really Enlil? We shouldn't allow them to carry guns for the same reason that we don't allow them to drive cars. It is not just as unsafe for them to use either thing as a sighted person. It is spectacularly more unsafe, for spectacularly obvious reasons. Can a blind man look into the chamber to be sure his gun is unloaded?
That is like saying, "Hey, we should let everyone carry around hand grenades, it's already illegal to use them, so where's the harm in carrying them?"
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Re: Iowa Issues Permits for the Blind to Carry Guns in Public [Re: luvdemshrooms]
#18822872 - 09/10/13 10:46 AM (10 years, 4 months ago) |
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I'd want a gun if I was blind.
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Re: Iowa Issues Permits for the Blind to Carry Guns in Public [Re: Lynnch]
#18822873 - 09/10/13 10:46 AM (10 years, 4 months ago) |
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You didn't read carefully enough.
I'm not advocating for allowing blind people to use guns in public...or for anyone to do so...I'm advocating allowing blind people to CARRY guns. It's not analogous to DRIVING A CAR...it's more analogous to RIDING IN A CAR.
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Re: Iowa Issues Permits for the Blind to Carry Guns in Public [Re: Lynnch] 1
#18822875 - 09/10/13 10:47 AM (10 years, 4 months ago) |
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I'm amazed how many of you are missing Enlil's point.
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Re: Iowa Issues Permits for the Blind to Carry Guns in Public [Re: Yage]
#18822877 - 09/10/13 10:47 AM (10 years, 4 months ago) |
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Yage said: I'd want a gun if I was blind.
I too would want a gun if you were blind.
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Re: Iowa Issues Permits for the Blind to Carry Guns in Public [Re: luvdemshrooms]
#18822883 - 09/10/13 10:49 AM (10 years, 4 months ago) |
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A blind man can listen to the sound of the round being chambered thus allowing him the insight into whether a gun is loaded or not...
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Re: Iowa Issues Permits for the Blind to Carry Guns in Public [Re: luvdemshrooms]
#18822908 - 09/10/13 10:54 AM (10 years, 4 months ago) |
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luvdemshrooms said: I'm amazed how many of you are missing Enlil's point.
To not have your constitutional rights breached due to a disability?
I'm sorry, but the disability is disabling you enough to justify not giving a blind man a gun do to COMMON SENSE
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Re: Iowa Issues Permits for the Blind to Carry Guns in Public [Re: luvdemshrooms]
#18822909 - 09/10/13 10:54 AM (10 years, 4 months ago) |
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luvdemshrooms said: You should have chosen a better pic.
pic was unrelated for comedic enhancement--you ruined my funny!
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Re: Iowa Issues Permits for the Blind to Carry Guns in Public [Re: Enlil] 2
#18822917 - 09/10/13 10:57 AM (10 years, 4 months ago) |
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Enlil said: ...it's more analogous to RIDING IN A CAR.
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"Hey, we should let everyone carry around hand grenades, it's already illegal to use them, so where's the harm in carrying them?" 
Nobody carries a loaded gun just for looks. There is the intention there that they will use it if necessary. And as noted before, it is simply impossible for a blind person to operate a weapon safely.
I can understand a blind person owning a car, I can understand a blind person owning a gun. I do not accept the reasoning of 'Freedom1!11!!' to let them drive that car or carry that weapon loaded where it might kill someone.
It's like riding in a car but making them responsible for telling the driver what color the traffic lights are.
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Re: Iowa Issues Permits for the Blind to Carry Guns in Public [Re: Enlil]
#18822921 - 09/10/13 10:58 AM (10 years, 4 months ago) |
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Enlil said: You didn't read carefully enough.
I'm not advocating for allowing blind people to use guns in public...or for anyone to do so...I'm advocating allowing blind people to CARRY guns. It's not analogous to DRIVING A CAR...it's more analogous to RIDING IN A CAR.
The blind person can find a friendly stranger to shoot people for him.
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Re: Iowa Issues Permits for the Blind to Carry Guns in Public [Re: Patlal]
#18822929 - 09/10/13 11:01 AM (10 years, 4 months ago) |
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luvdemshrooms said: I'm amazed how many of you are missing Enlil's point.
To not have your constitutional rights breached due to a disability?
Does a blind person lose their right to freedom of speech? The right to not incriminate themselves? The right to be free from illegal search?
A right is a right.
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I'm sorry, but the disability is disabling you enough to justify not giving a blind man a gun do to COMMON SENSE
Common sense should tell you a blind man is entitled to the same rights as the rest of us.
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Re: Iowa Issues Permits for the Blind to Carry Guns in Public [Re: shivas.wisdom]
#18822932 - 09/10/13 11:02 AM (10 years, 4 months ago) |
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luvdemshrooms said: You should have chosen a better pic.
pic was unrelated for comedic enhancement--you ruined my funny!
No, that's on you.
Had the guy in the pic had a banana, stick or brick in his hands you would have stood a chance.
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Re: Iowa Issues Permits for the Blind to Carry Guns in Public [Re: Lynnch]
#18822935 - 09/10/13 11:03 AM (10 years, 4 months ago) |
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Enlil said: ...it's more analogous to RIDING IN A CAR.
No. It's more like saying
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"Hey, we should let everyone carry around hand grenades, it's already illegal to use them, so where's the harm in carrying them?" 
Nobody carries a loaded gun just for looks. There is the intention there that they will use it if necessary. And as noted before, it is simply impossible for a blind person to operate a weapon safely.
I can understand a blind person owning a car, I can understand a blind person owning a gun. I do not accept the reasoning of 'Freedom1!11!!' to let them drive that car or carry that weapon loaded where it might kill someone.
It's like riding in a car but making them responsible for telling the driver what color the traffic lights are.
Thank you. You put it better than I could (and I tried) after luvdemshroom's comment about missing his (Enlil's) point. I didn't miss his point. I disagree with them being able to carry loaded weapons for exactly this reasoning.
If they want to carry around an unloaded weapon for transport, that's entirely different matter. Here when we talk of being permitted to carry a weapon in public, it's a loaded weapon meant to be used in defense. Not a fashion statement.
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Re: Iowa Issues Permits for the Blind to Carry Guns in Public [Re: Lynnch]
#18822939 - 09/10/13 11:04 AM (10 years, 4 months ago) |
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Lynnch said: Nobody carries a loaded gun just for looks. There is the intention there that they will use it if necessary. And as noted before, it is simply impossible for a blind person to operate a weapon safely.
Those are absolutes, which absolutely are not absolute.
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Re: Iowa Issues Permits for the Blind to Carry Guns in Public [Re: Lynnch]
#18822942 - 09/10/13 11:05 AM (10 years, 4 months ago) |
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Your hand grenade comment is a non sequitur. I see no reason to discriminate against blind people when it comes to CARRYING a weapon, and you've certainly not demonstrated one with your posts.
No one is arguing that a blind man can use a gun as safely as a sighted person. I'm simply saying that a blind man can CARRY a gun as safely as a sighted person, so why shouldn't he be allowed to if he wants? You keep getting into the USE of the gun, but that's another non sequitur. Someone who's willing to shoot a person with a gun isn't concerned whether or not it was legal for them to carry it in the first place....and it doesn't matter if they're blind or not.
And yes...many people carry guns just for looks. In fact, many people carry guns unloaded.
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Re: Iowa Issues Permits for the Blind to Carry Guns in Public [Re: luvdemshrooms]
#18822944 - 09/10/13 11:06 AM (10 years, 4 months ago) |
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my googlefu was not strong enough
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Re: Iowa Issues Permits for the Blind to Carry Guns in Public [Re: luvdemshrooms]
#18822949 - 09/10/13 11:08 AM (10 years, 4 months ago) |
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-------------------- You cannot legislate the poor into prosperity by legislating the wealthy out of prosperity. What one person receives without working for another person must work for without receiving. The government cannot give to anybody anything that the government does not first take from somebody else. When half of the people get the idea that they do not have to work because the other half is going to take care of them and when the other half gets the idea that it does no good to work because somebody else is going to get what they work for that my dear friend is the beginning of the end of any nation. You cannot multiply wealth by dividing it. ~ Adrian Rogers
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Re: Iowa Issues Permits for the Blind to Carry Guns in Public [Re: shivas.wisdom]
#18822951 - 09/10/13 11:08 AM (10 years, 4 months ago) |
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shivas.wisdom said: my googlefu was not strong enough 
We all have those days.
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Re: Iowa Issues Permits for the Blind to Carry Guns in Public [Re: luvdemshrooms]
#18822954 - 09/10/13 11:09 AM (10 years, 4 months ago) |
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luvdemshrooms said: I'm amazed how many of you are missing Enlil's point.
To not have your constitutional rights breached due to a disability?
Does a blind person lose their right to freedom of speech? The right to not incriminate themselves? The right to be free from illegal search?
A right is a right.
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I'm sorry, but the disability is disabling you enough to justify not giving a blind man a gun do to COMMON SENSE
Common sense should tell you a blind man is entitled to the same rights as the rest of us.
That's the problem with that stupid 2nd amendment. Instead of saying you have the right to bare arms it should say "you may be given privilege to bare arms".
But since its not written that way, we now have blind people with guns. Wouptidoo
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Re: Iowa Issues Permits for the Blind to Carry Guns in Public [Re: luvdemshrooms]
#18822955 - 09/10/13 11:09 AM (10 years, 4 months ago) |
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Patlal said:
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luvdemshrooms said: I'm amazed how many of you are missing Enlil's point.
To not have your constitutional rights breached due to a disability?
Does a blind person lose their right to freedom of speech? The right to not incriminate themselves? The right to be free from illegal search?
A right is a right.
What are your views on restricting gun rights for the mentally ill?
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Re: Iowa Issues Permits for the Blind to Carry Guns in Public [Re: luvdemshrooms]
#18822958 - 09/10/13 11:11 AM (10 years, 4 months ago) |
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Huge difference in target shooting and pulling a gun in self defense. Spin them around and slap them in the face a few times and put 1 target meant to be shot and then 5-6 that cannot be hit or it's a fail and see what happens. Even that wouldn't be a fair test unless you can somehow convince them their life is actually in danger. If it's still in a 'safe' setting the pressure isn't really on like it would be otherwise.
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Re: Iowa Issues Permits for the Blind to Carry Guns in Public [Re: Patlal]
#18822969 - 09/10/13 11:13 AM (10 years, 4 months ago) |
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Patlal said: That's the problem with that stupid 2nd amendment. Instead of saying you have the right to bare arms it should say "you may be given privilege to bare arms".
But since its not written that way, we now have blind people with guns. Wouptidoo
That's exactly what's right about "rights", otherwise they'd be called privileges.
You may be given the privilege to have free speech and you may be given the privilege to not be searched illegally. You may be given the privilege to have an attorney.
Doesn't sound quite right.
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Re: Iowa Issues Permits for the Blind to Carry Guns in Public [Re: Shroomslip]
#18822971 - 09/10/13 11:14 AM (10 years, 4 months ago) |
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That, of course, is not the issue...No one is issuing permits to people allowing them to use a gun in self-defense. We already have that right, so no permit is necessary...
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Re: Iowa Issues Permits for the Blind to Carry Guns in Public [Re: luvdemshrooms]
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Patlal said: That's the problem with that stupid 2nd amendment. Instead of saying you have the right to bare arms it should say "you may be given privilege to bare arms".
But since its not written that way, we now have blind people with guns. Wouptidoo
That's exactly what's right about "rights", otherwise they'd be called privileges.
You may be given the privilege to have free speech and you may be given the privilege to not be searched illegally. You may be given the privilege to have an attorney.
Doesn't sound quite right.
All the other amendments are great. The 2nd one is just dangerous.
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Re: Iowa Issues Permits for the Blind to Carry Guns in Public [Re: Patlal]
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Really? You're a fan of the 18th amendment?
I personally hate the 16th.
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Re: Iowa Issues Permits for the Blind to Carry Guns in Public [Re: psi]
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luvdemshrooms said: I'm amazed how many of you are missing Enlil's point.
To not have your constitutional rights breached due to a disability?
Does a blind person lose their right to freedom of speech? The right to not incriminate themselves? The right to be free from illegal search?
A right is a right.
What are your views on restricting gun rights for the mentally ill?
There are many forms of mental illness. Unless the mentally ill have been judged to be a danger to others...
-------------------- You cannot legislate the poor into prosperity by legislating the wealthy out of prosperity. What one person receives without working for another person must work for without receiving. The government cannot give to anybody anything that the government does not first take from somebody else. When half of the people get the idea that they do not have to work because the other half is going to take care of them and when the other half gets the idea that it does no good to work because somebody else is going to get what they work for that my dear friend is the beginning of the end of any nation. You cannot multiply wealth by dividing it. ~ Adrian Rogers
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Re: Iowa Issues Permits for the Blind to Carry Guns in Public [Re: luvdemshrooms]
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Re: Iowa Issues Permits for the Blind to Carry Guns in Public [Re: Patlal]
#18822991 - 09/10/13 11:19 AM (10 years, 4 months ago) |
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Patlal said: All the other amendments are great. The 2nd one is just dangerous.
Funny thing. Many disagree.
We have quite a few here on this site. One need only look at the Martin/Zimmerman threads to see just how many don't care for peoples rights.
The Second helps preserve the rest.
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Re: Iowa Issues Permits for the Blind to Carry Guns in Public [Re: psi]
#18823000 - 09/10/13 11:21 AM (10 years, 4 months ago) |
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A privilege is something given to another by the selfish overindulgent idea of self righteousness. A right is a personal right and everybody should be given that equally. This is the type of argument most liberals would stand for except that it involves weapons and your modern liberal is ignorant in the LIBERTY of weapons.
Add On: I can't stand the ignorance of the people who do not respect the second amendment, it's there for ONE SIMPLE AND PERFECT reason. To defend YOUR PERSONAL FREEDOM, duh.
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Re: Iowa Issues Permits for the Blind to Carry Guns in Public [Re: luvdemshrooms]
#18823005 - 09/10/13 11:22 AM (10 years, 4 months ago) |
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luvdemshrooms said:
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Patlal said: All the other amendments are great. The 2nd one is just dangerous.
Funny thing. Many disagree.
We have quite a few here on this site. One need only look at the Martin/Zimmerman threads to see just how many don't care for peoples rights.
The Second helps preserve the rest.
I dunno, it just seems to me that the 2nd amendment was created to prevent government from abusing power. Now that the government is doing it, nobody does shit about it.
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Re: Iowa Issues Permits for the Blind to Carry Guns in Public [Re: GreySatyr] 2
#18823011 - 09/10/13 11:23 AM (10 years, 4 months ago) |
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Re: Iowa Issues Permits for the Blind to Carry Guns in Public [Re: Patlal]
#18823035 - 09/10/13 11:28 AM (10 years, 4 months ago) |
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Patlal said: I dunno, it just seems to me that the 2nd amendment was created to prevent government from abusing power.
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Now that the government is doing it, nobody does shit about it.
What's your hurry?
I personally, as a gun owner and a huge fan of the Second, would rather exhaust all other means of change before considering taking up arms against my government.
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Re: Iowa Issues Permits for the Blind to Carry Guns in Public [Re: luvdemshrooms]
#18823042 - 09/10/13 11:30 AM (10 years, 4 months ago) |
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Besides, they have better guns, so we need to wait until we significantly outnumber them if we want to be successful.
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Re: Iowa Issues Permits for the Blind to Carry Guns in Public [Re: luvdemshrooms]
#18823045 - 09/10/13 11:31 AM (10 years, 4 months ago) |
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luvdemshrooms said:
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Patlal said: I dunno, it just seems to me that the 2nd amendment was created to prevent government from abusing power.
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Now that the government is doing it, nobody does shit about it.
What's your hurry?
I personally, as a gun owner and a huge fan of the Second, would rather exhaust all other means of change before considering taking up arms against my government.
So where do you draw the line?
At what point do you say, fuck this shit, I'm grabbing my gun and I'm going to Washington?
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Re: Iowa Issues Permits for the Blind to Carry Guns in Public [Re: Patlal]
#18823055 - 09/10/13 11:33 AM (10 years, 4 months ago) |
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Oh God, here we go off topic. Later guys.
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Re: Iowa Issues Permits for the Blind to Carry Guns in Public [Re: Patlal]
#18823110 - 09/10/13 11:47 AM (10 years, 4 months ago) |
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Patlal said: So where do you draw the line?
At what point do you say, fuck this shit, I'm grabbing my gun and I'm going to Washington?
The line is drawn next Wednesday at 4:19 AM.
Really? What a dumb question.
Just ask Obama.
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Re: Iowa Issues Permits for the Blind to Carry Guns in Public [Re: GreySatyr]
#18823144 - 09/10/13 11:56 AM (10 years, 4 months ago) |
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I think blind people should be able to carry guns. In theory it seems dangerous no doubt, if you can't see how the hell can you aim and fire safely? Well no doubt that's the biggest issue with that.
But any random idiot can go out and buy a gun, think of how many people out there who defiantly shouldn't own a gun do; probably a lot.
Now If I were blind I'd want to be able to carry a gun. Requirements? Teach me how, to the best of my abilities to safely operate my gun. I'd only use it in emergencies like if someone is attacking me or something.
I understand why other people are opposed to it, I was too but then I thought if I were blind, would I want to be able to carry a gun on me? Defiantly man, no doubt.
I would carry a knife on me regardless, it is safer compared to a gun for everyone involved. I think though if I were blind and I was trained well enough to operate a gun I could be responsible enough to know when and when not to use it.
There are obvious deterrents for allowing the blind to carry guns, but if your already allowing any random dumbass to have one, why not make it mandatory to make blind folks be properly introduced on how to handle a weapon (for self defence) if they choose to have one?
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Re: Iowa Issues Permits for the Blind to Carry Guns in Public [Re: The5thElement]
#18823150 - 09/10/13 11:58 AM (10 years, 4 months ago) |
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Re: Iowa Issues Permits for the Blind to Carry Guns in Public [Re: MadSeasonAbove]
#18823153 - 09/10/13 11:59 AM (10 years, 4 months ago) |
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Is there a blind person in that field waiting to attack me with their gun?
-------------------- You cannot legislate the poor into prosperity by legislating the wealthy out of prosperity. What one person receives without working for another person must work for without receiving. The government cannot give to anybody anything that the government does not first take from somebody else. When half of the people get the idea that they do not have to work because the other half is going to take care of them and when the other half gets the idea that it does no good to work because somebody else is going to get what they work for that my dear friend is the beginning of the end of any nation. You cannot multiply wealth by dividing it. ~ Adrian Rogers
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Re: Iowa Issues Permits for the Blind to Carry Guns in Public [Re: luvdemshrooms]
#18823262 - 09/10/13 12:36 PM (10 years, 4 months ago) |
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yes there is. you don't see that dangerous blindman with his .38spl pointing right at you? believe
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Re: Iowa Issues Permits for the Blind to Carry Guns in Public [Re: MadSeasonAbove]
#18823273 - 09/10/13 12:39 PM (10 years, 4 months ago) |
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Re: Iowa Issues Permits for the Blind to Carry Guns in Public [Re: azur]
#18823299 - 09/10/13 12:46 PM (10 years, 4 months ago) |
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Admirable, but I still don't want him flying a plane using visual flight rules.
-------------------- You cannot legislate the poor into prosperity by legislating the wealthy out of prosperity. What one person receives without working for another person must work for without receiving. The government cannot give to anybody anything that the government does not first take from somebody else. When half of the people get the idea that they do not have to work because the other half is going to take care of them and when the other half gets the idea that it does no good to work because somebody else is going to get what they work for that my dear friend is the beginning of the end of any nation. You cannot multiply wealth by dividing it. ~ Adrian Rogers
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Re: Iowa Issues Permits for the Blind to Carry Guns in Public [Re: luvdemshrooms]
#18823303 - 09/10/13 12:46 PM (10 years, 4 months ago) |
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But you'd be okay if he flew IFR? How's he gonna land?
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Re: Iowa Issues Permits for the Blind to Carry Guns in Public [Re: Enlil]
#18823304 - 09/10/13 12:47 PM (10 years, 4 months ago) |
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Carefully.
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Re: Iowa Issues Permits for the Blind to Carry Guns in Public [Re: luvdemshrooms]
#18823310 - 09/10/13 12:48 PM (10 years, 4 months ago) |
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Just keep pulling until you hear the stall warning, then when you feel the bump, hit the brakes
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Re: Iowa Issues Permits for the Blind to Carry Guns in Public [Re: Enlil]
#18823322 - 09/10/13 12:52 PM (10 years, 4 months ago) |
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On a more serious note... I imagine they could program in a voice that would guide him.
Cockpit voice: Level out. CV: Turn left. CV: Stop turning. CV: Descend. CV: Descending too fast. CV: Shit your pants. CV: Kiss your ass goodbye. CV: Goodb....
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Re: Iowa Issues Permits for the Blind to Carry Guns in Public [Re: luvdemshrooms] 2
#18823403 - 09/10/13 01:14 PM (10 years, 4 months ago) |
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only in America do they let blind people drive!
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